My Personal Muscle Testing Experience

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I've been following the thread on muscle testing and wanted to relate my own

muscle testing experience. I also want to mention that I am retired from 24

years of running a science lab at a college so I come from a practical,

scientific, down-to-earth background.

My self muscle testing experience started about 30 years ago when I visited

Perelandra in Virginia and attended a kinesiology workshop which focused on

using a pendulum to get a yes/no answer. I practiced off and on for months

afterwards but I was not getting consistent results so I said " forget this, this

is bunk " .

Some years later, I related the previous experience to another person; this

person said there was more than one way to do muscle testing. It was suggested

to hold the thumb and first finger of each hand in a circle with one finger

circle inside the other. After asking a question which could be answered

yes/no, the hands were moved away from each other; if the finger circles

remained strong and were difficult to open, the answer was supposed to be YES;

if the finger circles weakened and were easier to open, the answer was supposed

to be NO. So ... I practiced again for several months but was not getting

consistent results so again I said " forget this " .

Some years after that, I related the previous two experiences to another person;

this person told me of yet another method for self muscle testing. It was to

stand upright, in a a relaxed position, feet about should width apart and ask a

question. If the body moved forward on its own, without your moving it, the

indication was YES; if the body moved backward, the indication was NO. I found

this stance to be similar to the first Tai Chi position, a position where I

often went into a meditative state, not thinking, not stressed nor afraid, open,

receptive ... and I started getting positive results.

I started noticing other things. If I wanted a mouth watering, delicious slice

of hot pizza (healthy for me or not), and I was not in a meditative state, the

muscle testing would say " yes! " . But if I relaxed, took the time to clear out

my mind, and asked the question in a different manner, I might get a different

answer. For example, if I asked " CAN I have this slice of pizza? " , the answer

would be YES because obviously it is sitting in front of me and I CAN reach out

and pick it up and eat it. If I asked " Would it be harmful for me to eat this

one slice of pizza? " , the answer would probably be NO if most everything else I

ate was healthy. If I were to ask " Is pizza a healthy food for me to eat on a

regular basis along with potato chips and soda pop and cakes and pies and (you

get the idea)? " the answer would be NO.

At the beginning of each session, it is a good idea to ask " show me a YES

response " and then " show me a NO response " .

Unfortunately, with this method, one does not always know what to ask. It helps

to research the subject so that you have a better idea of the relevant questions

to ask.

For example, if you have cancer and ask " Is this a healthy product for me? " the

answer might be YES; but if you ask " Will this one product cure me? " the

answer might be NO. You might need to ask " Is this product part of a protocol

which will cure me? " . If the answer is YES, write it down, ask about other

items, ask if your list is complete, ask if it is likely that the items you will

need will change over time, ask if there is practitioner who could help you

better than you can help yourself, etc, etc, etc.

The following question is one you may (or may not) want to ask after you have

become comfortable with the process. " Have I completed everything I came to

earth to learn/accomplish in this life? " If the answer is NO, search for

questions to ask; it may lead you down a road of which you had been unaware and

open new possibilities and opportunities for you.

Conclusion:

Muscle testing can work IF the person is in a meditative state, relaxed (not

afraid or tense), tuned into the higher vibratory state of spirit rather than

ego and knows the relevant questions to ask.

Summary:

1. Practice the method so that you come to know yourself and what to expect.

2. Gather as much information as possible about the topic.

3. If needed, write down the exact wording of what you want to ask.

4. Get into a meditative, spiritual state of mind before asking the questions.

Many blessings,

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Hello gardenerinmd,

What you are describing as your muscle testing experiences is only

mildly related to what was being discussed. In your case you are the

only one involved and you are asking yourself questions, the answers

to which are already known to you. This is quite unlike holding a

substance in your hand and having someone test your strength. In

many cases it is expected that the testee has no knowledge of what

the substance is. It is my position that, if this works, the tester

should also not know what the substance is. When it is done double

blind the whole thing falls apart.

Mike

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 11:07:38 AM, you wrote:

g> Hello Everyone,

g> I've been following the thread on muscle testing and wanted to

g> relate my own muscle testing experience. I also want to mention

g> that I am retired from 24 years of running a science lab at a

g> college so I come from a practical, scientific, down-to-earth background.

g> My self muscle testing experience started about 30 years ago when

g> I visited Perelandra in Virginia and attended a kinesiology

g> workshop which focused on using a pendulum to get a yes/no answer.

g> I practiced off and on for months afterwards but I was not getting

g> consistent results so I said " forget this, this is bunk " .

g> Some years later, I related the previous experience to another

g> person; this person said there was more than one way to do muscle

g> testing. It was suggested to hold the thumb and first finger of

g> each hand in a circle with one finger circle inside the other.

g> After asking a question which could be answered yes/no, the hands

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

Thank you for sharing your experience with muscle testing. The body

has innumerable ideomotor-type reflexes that can give a good

indication of what goes on in one's subconscious mind. I imagine

that with practice you can become quite expert. Our subconscious

mind though is not really our friend. It tries to serve us and tell

us what it thinks we want to hear. But, it is not our true friend as

it doesn't seem to care if we live or die. If we implant a thought

in it (wittingly or not) that we want to die, then it will help us

accomplish this. A common example is that in our pettiness we want

to die to hurt someone who doesn't properly appreciate us.

Our emotions also can play an enormous role in our survival. How

about when the commanding officer says, " Go knock out that machine

gun nest, Tiger! " A sane response might be, " Show me how, Sir! "

We tend to extend an undeserved reverence toward the mysterious. We

should not do this toward our subconscious mind. We should harness

it to the extent that it can help us, but know that it is as fallible

as any other aspect of our thinking.

At 09:07 AM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

>Hello Everyone,

>I've been following the thread on muscle testing and wanted to

>relate my own muscle testing experience. I also want to mention that

>I am retired from 24 years of running a science lab at a college so

>I come from a practical, scientific, down-to-earth background.

>

>My self muscle testing experience started about 30 years ago when I

>visited Perelandra in Virginia and attended a kinesiology workshop

>which focused on using a pendulum to get a yes/no answer. I

>practiced off and on for months afterwards but I was not getting

>consistent results so I said " forget this, this is bunk " .

>

>Some years later, I related the previous experience to another

>person; this person said there was more than one way to do muscle

>testing. It was suggested to hold the thumb and first finger of each

>hand in a circle with one finger circle inside the other. After

>asking a question which could be answered yes/no, the hands were

>moved away from each other; if the finger circles remained strong

>and were difficult to open, the answer was supposed to be YES; if

>the finger circles weakened and were easier to open, the answer was

>supposed to be NO. So ... I practiced again for several months but

>was not getting consistent results so again I said " forget this " .

>

>Some years after that, I related the previous two experiences to

>another person; this person told me of yet another method for self

>muscle testing. It was to stand upright, in a a relaxed position,

>feet about should width apart and ask a question. If the body moved

>forward on its own, without your moving it, the indication was YES;

>if the body moved backward, the indication was NO. I found this

>stance to be similar to the first Tai Chi position, a position where

>I often went into a meditative state, not thinking, not stressed nor

>afraid, open, receptive ... and I started getting positive results.

>

>I started noticing other things. If I wanted a mouth watering,

>delicious slice of hot pizza (healthy for me or not), and I was not

>in a meditative state, the muscle testing would say " yes! " . But if I

>relaxed, took the time to clear out my mind, and asked the question

>in a different manner, I might get a different answer. For example,

>if I asked " CAN I have this slice of pizza? " , the answer would be

>YES because obviously it is sitting in front of me and I CAN reach

>out and pick it up and eat it. If I asked " Would it be harmful for

>me to eat this one slice of pizza? " , the answer would probably be NO

>if most everything else I ate was healthy. If I were to ask " Is

>pizza a healthy food for me to eat on a regular basis along with

>potato chips and soda pop and cakes and pies and (you get the

>idea)? " the answer would be NO.

>

>At the beginning of each session, it is a good idea to ask " show me

>a YES response " and then " show me a NO response " .

>

>Unfortunately, with this method, one does not always know what to

>ask. It helps to research the subject so that you have a better idea

>of the relevant questions to ask.

>

>For example, if you have cancer and ask " Is this a healthy product

>for me? " the answer might be YES; but if you ask " Will this one

>product cure me? " the answer might be NO. You might need to ask " Is

>this product part of a protocol which will cure me? " . If the answer

>is YES, write it down, ask about other items, ask if your list is

>complete, ask if it is likely that the items you will need will

>change over time, ask if there is practitioner who could help you

>better than you can help yourself, etc, etc, etc.

>

>The following question is one you may (or may not) want to ask after

>you have become comfortable with the process. " Have I completed

>everything I came to earth to learn/accomplish in this life? " If the

>answer is NO, search for questions to ask; it may lead you down a

>road of which you had been unaware and open new possibilities and

>opportunities for you.

>

>Conclusion:

>Muscle testing can work IF the person is in a meditative state,

>relaxed (not afraid or tense), tuned into the higher vibratory state

>of spirit rather than ego and knows the relevant questions to ask.

>

>Summary:

>1. Practice the method so that you come to know yourself and what to expect.

>2. Gather as much information as possible about the topic.

>3. If needed, write down the exact wording of what you want to ask.

>4. Get into a meditative, spiritual state of mind before asking the questions.

>

>Many blessings,

>Cheryl

[Guest guest]

What if someone else implants a thought into your subconscious mind, ?

What if an oncologist comes into the room where I am waiting in a state of

severe anxiety, and says " the news is not good. The cancer has metastasized.

In my estimation you have 6 months to a year " . WHat happens when the room goes

dark and I vomit then pass out, then come to, and the oncologist says " I can

probably give you an extra year with chemo. We can start today if you want " .

What happens when I am coming up on the 11 month of my one year left on Earth,

and sure enough, my subconscious seems hell-bent on making that curse real?

> Our subconscious

> mind though is not really our friend. It tries to serve us and tell

> us what it thinks we want to hear. But, it is not our true friend as

> it doesn't seem to care if we live or die. If we implant a thought

> in it (wittingly or not) that we want to die, then it will help us

> accomplish this. A common example is that in our pettiness we want

> to die to hurt someone who doesn't properly appreciate us

[Guest guest]

I was about to state 'auto-suggestion' (self-hypnosis-a subject I have training

in) re the almost obvious reason for this " personal experience " . However,

covered the subject in a much more appropriate way. 's

response should also give us second thoughts about remaining under a doctor's

'care' when they come out with comments like, " you should have been dead a year

ago " and one to my closest friend when he came to see him, " are you still

alive? " My friend had two by-pass operations and two angioplasty procedures

and already did not think he would live beyond 65 because he believes that

family history governs life expectancy. BTW, I introduced him to EDTA

Chelation and that was three years ago..............long since his dad had died

and he is feeling better than ever.

Can you imagine the potentially powerful effect such a comment such as,are you

still alive, by a professional, might have on a person already psychologically

weakened?

An interesting and appropriate response from Mike too.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

>It is my position that, if this works, the tester

> should also not know what the substance is. When it is done double

> blind the whole thing falls apart.

>

> Mike

I've followed the muscle testing thread closely and find it fascinating. I know

that often I have felt like laughing out loud with certain " testing " techniques.

My friends told me that I can determine what supplements I need by holding a

bottle of the supplement in front of me. If I lean forward, I need the

supplement. If I lean backwards, then I don't. Yeah, right.

My acupuncturist and I used to do muscle testing. I have some mysterious wacky

things wrong with me and I'm always trying to find the answers to how to get

better. I asked my acupunturist to do some muscle testing, but it had to be

very random. So, he pulled out a bunch of trays of vials and I closed my eyes.

The type of testing we do is with a hand, not an arm. I touch my thumb to my

pinky and he tries to pull my fingers apart. Anyway, he pulled vials of stuff

out of the trays without looking at what they were and we tested. It was as

double blind as I think we could get. The results were interesting, to say the

least. And I think, actually, fairly accurate. But without a way to test

" scientifically, " then I have no idea how true it all was.

If anything, the muscle testing proved that I still hold a master achievement in

being a medical enigma.

ar

[Guest guest]

Hello Arlyn,

Your diploma is in the mail........

Mike

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:51:38 PM, you wrote:

A> If anything, the muscle testing proved that I still hold a master

A> achievement in being a medical enigma.

A> ar

--

Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

> Can you imagine the potentially powerful effect such a comment such as,are you

still alive, by a professional, might have on a person already psychologically

weakened?

>

Personally, it would make me feel victorious and make me grin the biggest,

gloating grin in the world! Yup, I am, no thanks to you! LOL

xxoo

[Guest guest]

I had the doctor who initially diagnosed me say something like that ---- I don't

remember the very words but it was the same thought.  It actually did make me

feel quite victorious and proud of myself.  Like a big " ha-ha! "   Jan

From: <melizzard@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: My Personal Muscle Testing Experience

Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:28 PM

> Can you imagine the potentially powerful effect such a comment such as,are you

still alive, by a professional, might have on a person already psychologically

weakened?

>

Personally, it would make me feel victorious and make me grin the biggest,

gloating grin in the world! Yup, I am, no thanks to you! LOL

xxoo

[Guest guest]

At 11:20 AM 5/3/2009, Jim wrote:

>What if someone else implants a thought into your subconscious mind, ?

Jim, our heads are chuck full of thoughts imposed by others. It is

hard to find a vacant space to have personal bias-free

thoughts when every sort of psychological implant is imposed by

politicians, clergy, physicians, and Madison Avenue. We just sit in

front of the television and accept it like cows placidly thinking

about the next cud. [i thank Johanna Brandt " The Grape Cure " for

that last phrase.] Most people are unwitting " Cyranoids " -- and I

thank Stanley Milgram for that concept.

Jim, I don't need any outside implants when I have more than my fair

share of biases. If I am considering making a med I factor in the

following biases -- and none of these have anything to do with the

welfare of the person I am trying to help.

I decline to make anything with a molecular weight over 400.

I decline to make anything with more than one additional chiral

center over a starting reactant.

I decline to do any sequence of low-yield reactions.

I decline to use reactants that are expensive, toxic, explosive, or

could be used to make illicit meds.

If this is not bad enough, my wife is a full time judge (the

black-robed kind) and I constantly have to deal with the internal

dialog of her legal admonitions, " You can't say this and you can't do

that! " Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with helping

people. Perhaps quite the opposite.

[Guest guest]

, not everyone is as well adjusted as you to tolerate the 'death

sentence' given by too many physicians. My friend who was shocked by that

statement " are you still alive " was nearing the age his father and all of his

uncles died at with the condition he has. He did not feel victorious because

he had not yet passed the time of danger and still isn't.

There was one sentence you included that I need help deciphering and that was,

" no thanks to you " .

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

,

This was a beautiful response.

Thank you!

Johanne

>

>

> >Hello Everyone,

> >I've been following the thread on muscle testing and wanted to

> >relate my own muscle testing experience. I also want to mention that

> >I am retired from 24 years of running a science lab at a college so

> >I come from a practical, scientific, down-to-earth background.

> >

> >My self muscle testing experience started about 30 years ago when I

> >visited Perelandra in Virginia and attended a kinesiology workshop

> >which focused on using a pendulum to get a yes/no answer. I

> >practiced off and on for months afterwards but I was not getting

> >consistent results so I said " forget this, this is bunk " .

> >

> >Some years later, I related the previous experience to another

> >person; this person said there was more than one way to do muscle

> >testing. It was suggested to hold the thumb and first finger of each

> >hand in a circle with one finger circle inside the other. After

> >asking a question which could be answered yes/no, the hands were

> >moved away from each other; if the finger circles remained strong

> >and were difficult to open, the answer was supposed to be YES; if

> >the finger circles weakened and were easier to open, the answer was

> >supposed to be NO. So ... I practiced again for several months but

> >was not getting consistent results so again I said " forget this " .

> >

> >Some years after that, I related the previous two experiences to

> >another person; this person told me of yet another method for self

> >muscle testing. It was to stand upright, in a a relaxed position,

> >feet about should width apart and ask a question. If the body moved

> >forward on its own, without your moving it, the indication was YES;

> >if the body moved backward, the indication was NO. I found this

> >stance to be similar to the first Tai Chi position, a position where

> >I often went into a meditative state, not thinking, not stressed nor

> >afraid, open, receptive ... and I started getting positive results.

> >

> >I started noticing other things. If I wanted a mouth watering,

> >delicious slice of hot pizza (healthy for me or not), and I was not

> >in a meditative state, the muscle testing would say " yes! " . But if I

> >relaxed, took the time to clear out my mind, and asked the question

> >in a different manner, I might get a different answer. For example,

> >if I asked " CAN I have this slice of pizza? " , the answer would be

> >YES because obviously it is sitting in front of me and I CAN reach

> >out and pick it up and eat it. If I asked " Would it be harmful for

> >me to eat this one slice of pizza? " , the answer would probably be NO

> >if most everything else I ate was healthy. If I were to ask " Is

> >pizza a healthy food for me to eat on a regular basis along with

> >potato chips and soda pop and cakes and pies and (you get the

> >idea)? " the answer would be NO.

> >

> >At the beginning of each session, it is a good idea to ask " show me

> >a YES response " and then " show me a NO response " .

> >

> >Unfortunately, with this method, one does not always know what to

> >ask. It helps to research the subject so that you have a better idea

> >of the relevant questions to ask.

> >

> >For example, if you have cancer and ask " Is this a healthy product

> >for me? " the answer might be YES; but if you ask " Will this one

> >product cure me? " the answer might be NO. You might need to ask " Is

> >this product part of a protocol which will cure me? " . If the answer

> >is YES, write it down, ask about other items, ask if your list is

> >complete, ask if it is likely that the items you will need will

> >change over time, ask if there is practitioner who could help you

> >better than you can help yourself, etc, etc, etc.

> >

> >The following question is one you may (or may not) want to ask after

> >you have become comfortable with the process. " Have I completed

> >everything I came to earth to learn/accomplish in this life? " If the

> >answer is NO, search for questions to ask; it may lead you down a

> >road of which you had been unaware and open new possibilities and

> >opportunities for you.

> >

> >Conclusion:

> >Muscle testing can work IF the person is in a meditative state,

> >relaxed (not afraid or tense), tuned into the higher vibratory state

> >of spirit rather than ego and knows the relevant questions to ask.

> >

> >Summary:

> >1. Practice the method so that you come to know yourself and what to expect.

> >2. Gather as much information as possible about the topic.

> >3. If needed, write down the exact wording of what you want to ask.

> >4. Get into a meditative, spiritual state of mind before asking the

questions.

> >

> >Many blessings,

> >Cheryl

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

the purpose of getting into a meditative state before muscle testing, is to

bypass the subconscious mind and access the superconscious mind. (This is not

an easy thing for most of us to do, including myself, but with practice,

sometimes many long years, it gets easier.)

Blessings,

Cheryl

>

> >Hello Everyone,

> >I've been following the thread on muscle testing and wanted to

> >relate my own muscle testing experience.

> >

> >

> >Conclusion:

> >Muscle testing can work IF the person is in a meditative state,

> >relaxed (not afraid or tense), tuned into the higher vibratory state

> >of spirit rather than ego and knows the relevant questions to ask.

> >

> >Summary:

> >1. Practice the method so that you come to know yourself and what to expect.

> >2. Gather as much information as possible about the topic.

> >3. If needed, write down the exact wording of what you want to ask.

> >4. Get into a meditative, spiritual state of mind before asking the

questions.

> >

[Guest guest]

The theories of Max Freedom Long are interesting to be sure, but I

have found very little historical foundation that would suggest

accuracy in his reporting or his speculations. I can't help but look

at the bottom line here. Both Kamehameha V and King Kalakaua opened

the doors wide to the Kahunas who were allowed to practice their

craft and encouraged to preserve the teachings. The Christians

became so enraged that they imposed the Bayonet Constitution on the

king and did everything possible to snuff all kahuna beliefs. Where

was kahuna power when it was most needed?

It has been said that God is on the side of the big battalions, or

was it that God is on the side of the most ungodly. No, it was God

is on the side of the Big Kahunas, or maybe it was the Big

Cojones. Perhaps someone on the list can clear this up.

I think that the majority of all earthlings have a religious

belief. This tells me that there is something in our evolution that

finds religion useful for our survival. What is Obama? I think I'll

become one of those.

At 05:43 PM 5/4/2009, you wrote:

>Hello ,

>the purpose of getting into a meditative state before muscle

>testing, is to bypass the subconscious mind and access the

>superconscious mind. (This is not an easy thing for most of us to

>do, including myself, but with practice, sometimes many long years,

>it gets easier.)

>Blessings,

>Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I'm not answering for , however, as a trained, but not practicing,

Hypnotist I can attest to the belief among Hypnotists that the subject tries,

subconsciously, to please the Hypnotist............or the person making the

suggestion. They call it 'Suggestion Acceptance', however I suspect there

are many interpretations and thoughts on the subject by better trained than me.

Regardless, we seem to be arriving at the conclusion these physicians are either

callous or downright stupid.......or both for telling people they have this or

that much time left. Quite some time ago when I asked about a cousin

of mine given six months or so, he said, " Tell them not to panic, he's got a lot

more time than that " . It's already two+ years.

The only threats I received was when I refused scans and biopsy attempts so the

Urologist only shrugs his shoulders now. At least from the responses it seems

most have enough smarts to put aside prognostications of early demise and

continue to prove them wrong.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Looks like a couple of yesterday's e-mails of mine returned for a second try.

ha ha.

Don't get confused..............I have enough confusion to go around normally.

Joe C.