Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: cartilage > For straight leg raises you really should be doing > maybe up to 300 a day maybe even more to really work > the quad muscle. I have never heard this before. What is your source? Mike MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 This procedure (taking your own cartilage and growing it on a colagen structure) is beginning to be performed here in Romania. If you are interested I will give some phonecalls and maybe go there. I'm also thinking for me of such intervention, but hopefully over some years. Now I guess I have a lighter form of CM, cause it only hurts after a lot of effort (skiing by example) or after some long hours to drive. I have read some posts here and there aren't many people feeling perfect after the surgery, so I better live with it and when it will get worse I will go to these doctors growing my own cartilage. codz racyspyder said: > > > I have had chondromalacia in my left knee for twenty-five years. I > gone through two surgeries the first before they came up with > orthoscopic surgery so it was a major one and the second a year and > a half ago. The second surgery made my knee worse. The doctor said > that he would clean up the cartilage and possibly do a lateral > release. Fortunately, he decided not to do the lateral release but > after cleaning up the cartilage my knee was worse off than before > the surgery. Dahhhhh, removing cartilage from a knee that already > has limited cartilage would cause a problem. Now I'm in pain > everyday with every step that I take. I'm waiting for artifical > cartilage. I've done a lot of research and there is artifical > cartilage out there, but the FDA has not approved it. > > Does anyone know of a doctor that is taking cartilage from your knee > and growning it and reimplanting it back into your knee??? Or of > any clinical trials for artifical cartilage???? > > I don't want another surgery since they don't seem to work anyway. > I'm waiting until I can find some type of cartilage either real or > artifical. > > racyspyder > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Mike, My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. Donna/ NC > > > For straight leg raises you really should be doing > > maybe up to 300 a day maybe even more to really work > > the quad muscle. > >I have never heard this before. What is your source? > >Mike >MT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I know that at Duke/NC, they do the Cartisell (spelling) procedure. They take some cells from the correct cartilage and send it off to a lab to be grown. It takes about a month to grow then they do another surgery to put it in. I think the first surgery is done orthoscopic, and the second surgery is an open procedure. Donna > >I have had chondromalacia in my left knee for twenty-five years. I >gone through two surgeries the first before they came up with >orthoscopic surgery so it was a major one and the second a year and >a half ago. The second surgery made my knee worse. The doctor said >that he would clean up the cartilage and possibly do a lateral >release. Fortunately, he decided not to do the lateral release but >after cleaning up the cartilage my knee was worse off than before >the surgery. Dahhhhh, removing cartilage from a knee that already >has limited cartilage would cause a problem. Now I'm in pain >everyday with every step that I take. I'm waiting for artifical >cartilage. I've done a lot of research and there is artifical >cartilage out there, but the FDA has not approved it. > >Does anyone know of a doctor that is taking cartilage from your knee >and growning it and reimplanting it back into your knee??? Or of >any clinical trials for artifical cartilage???? > >I don't want another surgery since they don't seem to work anyway. >I'm waiting until I can find some type of cartilage either real or >artifical. > >racyspyder > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: cartilage > > Mike, > > My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ > before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this > for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. Yeah, I've been doing straight leg lifts every day for over a year now, but not that many.....only about 20, but I was using 10 pound weights on my ankle. My new PT says to do 20 to 40 per day, but to do them on my back, stomach, and both sides. I suppose the more the better, especially if you are going to do surgery. I would hate to go into surgery with weak quads. Mike MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Do you know if this procedure is done in Canada?? If it works? > > > I know that at Duke/NC, they do the Cartisell (spelling) procedure. They > take some cells from the correct cartilage and send it off to a lab to be > grown. It takes about a month to grow then they do another surgery to put > it in. I think the first surgery is done orthoscopic, and the second > surgery is an open procedure. > > Donna > > > > > > >I have had chondromalacia in my left knee for twenty-five years. I > >gone through two surgeries the first before they came up with > >orthoscopic surgery so it was a major one and the second a year and > >a half ago. The second surgery made my knee worse. The doctor said > >that he would clean up the cartilage and possibly do a lateral > >release. Fortunately, he decided not to do the lateral release but > >after cleaning up the cartilage my knee was worse off than before > >the surgery. Dahhhhh, removing cartilage from a knee that already > >has limited cartilage would cause a problem. Now I'm in pain > >everyday with every step that I take. I'm waiting for artifical > >cartilage. I've done a lot of research and there is artifical > >cartilage out there, but the FDA has not approved it. > > > >Does anyone know of a doctor that is taking cartilage from your knee > >and growning it and reimplanting it back into your knee??? Or of > >any clinical trials for artifical cartilage???? > > > >I don't want another surgery since they don't seem to work anyway. > >I'm waiting until I can find some type of cartilage either real or > >artifical. > > > >racyspyder > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Donna Talerico wrote: > Mike, > > My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ > before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this > for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. Can anyone explain this exercise, or have a link to it? Just curious what it looks like. I'm doing various straight-leg work with exercise bands for some resistance, and doing a few partially bent leg works, such as leg extensions from about 45 deg to 0... Thanks, / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 wrote: > Donna Talerico wrote: > >>Mike, >> >>My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ >>before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this >>for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. > > > Can anyone explain this exercise, or have a link to it? Just curious what > it looks like. > > I'm doing various straight-leg work with exercise bands for some > resistance, and doing a few partially bent leg works, such as leg > extensions from about 45 deg to 0... Never mind, I saw another post that explained them. For what it's worth, I've been doing these (and similar) with ankle weights for a few months now and I am doing much better than I was. I still have some kind of weird feelings, like something is not quite right, and the " tenderness " seems to rotate to various areas of the knee. My best guess now is that there is some kind of scar tissue inside from the time of my major pain (deep bone contusion on the ventral aspect of the condyle femor) that may not go away w/o surgery to clean it up. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Re: cartilage > I still have some kind of weird feelings, like something is not quite > right, and the " tenderness " seems to rotate to various areas of the knee. > My best guess now is that there is some kind of scar tissue inside from > the > time of my major pain (deep bone contusion on the ventral aspect of the > condyle femor) that may not go away w/o surgery to clean it up. If you do get to the point where you decide you need more improvement and you are just not getting any better, I would suggest you see a surgeon that is familiar with an anterior interval release. It was designed at Steadman-Hawkins Clinics and is basically a refined cleanout and adhesion release that from my perspective, was designed for problems like yours. I just had one done on my right knee on the third after lateral releases on both knees last year. I haven't seen much improvement yet, but the PT I was going to was screwing me up. I changed PTs last week. Mike MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 " I still have some kind of weird feelings, like something is not quite right, and the " tenderness " seems to rotate to various areas of the knee. " I had something exactly like that happening to my left knee. It had an MRI just in case it needed surgery like my right knee and it didn't look that bad on the MRI. It did have CM, but nothing major. It doesn't do it anymore. So something must have changed. Here is everything I did that may have attributed to the change: 1. I got my right knee fixed. It could have been that me relying on my left knee so much that it was aggrivated. Using it twice as much going up stairs etc. would be a lot. I could have also been walking funny to avoid pain in my right knee causing the alignment to be off. You can tell a lot by looking at the sole of your shoes. 2. I did PT on both knees. The left knee did see some improvement with taping and the excercise. 3. I started taking Glucosamine Chondroitin and MSM. 4. I gave it a lot of rest and ice. This is just my own experience. Considering you had a prior injury to the knee in question it may be completely different. Either way good luck. <sean@...> wrote: wrote: > Donna Talerico wrote: > >>Mike, >> >>My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ >>before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this >>for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. > > > Can anyone explain this exercise, or have a link to it? Just curious what > it looks like. > > I'm doing various straight-leg work with exercise bands for some > resistance, and doing a few partially bent leg works, such as leg > extensions from about 45 deg to 0... Never mind, I saw another post that explained them. For what it's worth, I've been doing these (and similar) with ankle weights for a few months now and I am doing much better than I was. I still have some kind of weird feelings, like something is not quite right, and the " tenderness " seems to rotate to various areas of the knee. My best guess now is that there is some kind of scar tissue inside from the time of my major pain (deep bone contusion on the ventral aspect of the condyle femor) that may not go away w/o surgery to clean it up. / --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 They have me doing straight leg raises, side outer thigh work, the inner thigh, and when your laying on your stomach as well. When your on your stomach, point your toe out, and squeeze your butt to go the lift. I started no weight. I have adjustable ankle weights. They have 3 compartments, and you can take 1-4 out. That way you can start at 1- 2-3-4-5 pounds. They also have the adjustable ones in heavier weights. I've just been getting up to like 80, 2xday, then adding another weight in. Of course some times I only get 40 in. 40 is better than 0, so I do them quickly and off I go to whatever was more important. When I add more weight, I just back down on the reps. Or i switch more often between legs. Like i do 2 sets of 10 on one leg. Then switch to the other side. Then do 2 sets of 10, and switch, etc. That way I get more rest between sets. When I get stronger I do sets of 20 on one leg, inner, outer, and a third exercise for the pirformus muscle. Then repeat the reps on the same leg before switching to the other side. Builds more endurance. Then if I have time, i repeat the process on both legs again. When doing side leg lifts and inner thigh lift make sure your hips area stacked on top of one another. You want your hips to be right on top of one another, you don't want to be slanted forward or backward. Try your best to stay straight up and down. Side leg lift, you want your toe pointed down, so your using targeting the correct muscle in your leg and not the hip flexor muscles in the front of the leg (i get the side leg muscle confused, not sure if the outer one is the adductor or abductor) One last reminder. If your new to an exercise, and a muscle doesn't seem to be engaging, you don't feel the muscle. Like the regular straight leg raise, your suppose to target the vmo. Well, rub the vmo, and that sometimes helps you engage the muscle. Even when getting on a bike, if you can, rubbing the muscle sometimes helps you identify which muscle it is and can contract it easier. You can poke your finger at it too. Whichever way works best. Most of you probably already know this stuff, but it never hurts to be more specific. Connie > > Mike, > > > > My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ > > before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this > > for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Cool stuff. Wish I had some weight pockety things. As for abductor/adductor, remember that to abduct someone is to take them away, and the abductors move the leg away from the center line. Ann Re: cartilage They have me doing straight leg raises, side outer thigh work, the inner thigh, and when your laying on your stomach as well. When your on your stomach, point your toe out, and squeeze your butt to go the lift. I started no weight. I have adjustable ankle weights. They have 3 compartments, and you can take 1-4 out. That way you can start at 1- 2-3-4-5 pounds. They also have the adjustable ones in heavier weights. I've just been getting up to like 80, 2xday, then adding another weight in. Of course some times I only get 40 in. 40 is better than 0, so I do them quickly and off I go to whatever was more important. When I add more weight, I just back down on the reps. Or i switch more often between legs. Like i do 2 sets of 10 on one leg. Then switch to the other side. Then do 2 sets of 10, and switch, etc. That way I get more rest between sets. When I get stronger I do sets of 20 on one leg, inner, outer, and a third exercise for the pirformus muscle. Then repeat the reps on the same leg before switching to the other side. Builds more endurance. Then if I have time, i repeat the process on both legs again. When doing side leg lifts and inner thigh lift make sure your hips area stacked on top of one another. You want your hips to be right on top of one another, you don't want to be slanted forward or backward. Try your best to stay straight up and down. Side leg lift, you want your toe pointed down, so your using targeting the correct muscle in your leg and not the hip flexor muscles in the front of the leg (i get the side leg muscle confused, not sure if the outer one is the adductor or abductor) One last reminder. If your new to an exercise, and a muscle doesn't seem to be engaging, you don't feel the muscle. Like the regular straight leg raise, your suppose to target the vmo. Well, rub the vmo, and that sometimes helps you engage the muscle. Even when getting on a bike, if you can, rubbing the muscle sometimes helps you identify which muscle it is and can contract it easier. You can poke your finger at it too. Whichever way works best. Most of you probably already know this stuff, but it never hurts to be more specific. Connie > > Mike, > > > > My Doc at Duke also told me to do 300 to 500 straight leg raises everyday/ > > before my ACL surgery and cartilage shaving was done. He said to do this > > for a month before the surgery to strenghten the quad. I feel it helped. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Re: cartilage > > Cool stuff. Wish I had some weight pockety things. I got a set too.....they were actually very cheap at Walmart.....and work very well. Mike MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I got my ankle weights at target. The ones with the little pockets, that you can take out part of the weight are more expensive than the non-adjustable ones. Then a zipper at the top keeps everything in place. If you hit amazon.com and type adjustable ankle weights, some come up. Just to get an idea as to what they look like. Connie > > Re: cartilage > > > > > > Cool stuff. Wish I had some weight pockety things. > > I got a set too.....they were actually very cheap at Walmart.....and work > very well. > > Mike > MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Thanks. I'll check it out. Ann Re: cartilage > > > > > > Cool stuff. Wish I had some weight pockety things. > > I got a set too.....they were actually very cheap at Walmart.....and work > very well. > > Mike > MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 quick question- does anyone else have a prob lying on their stomache? I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 sorry, so i can't lie on my stomach formore that maybe 5 seconds. Does anyone else have that prob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I was unable to lie on my stomach at all, it was just too painful for my knee...before my operation (some cartilage scraping and I had uh...shoot...the word for the swelling that they scrape away??) Joya Re: Re: cartilage sorry, so i can't lie on my stomach formore that maybe 5 seconds. Does anyone else have that prob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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