Re: Undectable via ultrasound

[Guest guest]

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Can anyone help me either (1) find internet references that state that

gallstones are often undetectable via ultrasound or (2) site their own

experiences with this?

I have a very clear ultrasound yet plenty of pain in the gallstone area.

The doc I am consulting with insists the gallstones cannot be viewed since

they consist of cholesterol which is often clear. Makes sense but I have

yet to see this anywhere.

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You can check the Files folder at the online site and take note of the various

postings from the members here who've had stones come out. There are also

pleanty of other places on the net to be able to see the clearer styles of

stones as well as the really hard styles.

As regards pain in the area of the gallbladder there can be various reasons that

these happen, and my actually be caused by the liver instead of the gallbladder.

Stones are not the only potential cause of pain in this area. There can be

certain types of parasites causing blockage such as the one that can be at the

sphincter oddi or in other parts of the common bile duct, or even liver flukes.

You will be able to do a lot of research from just going to this one curezone

page and seeing some of the things that happen. It takes a bit of loading so be

patient and then check out the Stenosing Papillitis picture.

http://www.curezone.com/gallstones/default.asp

Dale

[Guest guest]

Well that is interesting, because my surgeon said the gallstones that

came out of my gallbladder were all cholesterol and they showed up

good and clear on ultrasound. I don't mean to be disrespectufl, but

that sounds like a fish story to me. Did he suggest what you should

do? Dawn

> Can anyone help me either (1) find internet references that state

that

> gallstones are often undetectable via ultrasound or (2) site their

own

> experiences with this?

>

> I have a very clear ultrasound yet plenty of pain in the gallstone

area.

> The doc I am consulting with insists the gallstones cannot be

viewed since

> they consist of cholesterol which is often clear. Makes sense but

I have

> yet to see this anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have read in many places that it is much harder to visualize

cholesterol stones on the ultasound. Try doing a google search for

ultrasound visualization or try looking in the group's bookmarks.

I would also suspect that if caought in the bile ducts or any other

small area, the pain is excruciating, but due to the smallness of the

gallstone it is hard to visualize.....and just because it's not seen

( stones) doesn't mean that the technologist looked in all the right

spots. - a false negative....

Suzanne

> Can anyone help me either (1) find internet references that state

that

> gallstones are often undetectable via ultrasound or (2) site their

own

> experiences with this?

>

> I have a very clear ultrasound yet plenty of pain in the gallstone

area.

> The doc I am consulting with insists the gallstones cannot be

viewed since

> they consist of cholesterol which is often clear. Makes sense but

I have

> yet to see this anywhere.

[Guest guest]

My doc is actually not a full fledged physician. He is a biochemist

and he is suggesting to eventually do a flush. I went to another

alternative doc and she said the same thing. I can bet that my

gastro doctor will suggest the knife --- not that I will do that at

this stage.

I found reference stating your stones may be undetectable in

ultrasound but they may be stuck in the bile duct and if this is the

case, the pain will continue even after the gall bladder is

removed. I had two people read the ultrasound -- one who I trust

implicitly because of his years of knowledge and experience with me

in the past. I started taking phosphatidylcholine again but I was

having even more gall bladder attacks (e.g., urgent bm's and pain in

side) while taking it so I stopped it temporarily. The

phosphatidlycholine may work well for others --- it has lecithin in

it. Any successes out there yet with phosphatidylcholine?

> Well that is interesting, because my surgeon said the gallstones

that came out of my gallbladder were all cholesterol and they showed

up good and clear on ultrasound. I don't mean to be disrespectufl,

but that sounds like a fish story to me. Did he suggest what you

should do? Dawn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I experienced stone(s) still in the bile duct after GB surgery...continued to

have attacks. The liver flush removed them and I've had no more attacks since.

Adrienne

memorrisnj wrote:

I found reference stating your stones may be undetectable in

ultrasound but they may be stuck in the bile duct and if this is the

case, the pain will continue even after the gall bladder is

removed.

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[Guest guest]

You sound like you may be fairly close to me if

your email address means you live in County,

NJ...what doctors do you go to? You can write me

privately if you wish at

claudiameydrech@...

Thanks, I'm in northern NJ.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From: " memorrisnj " <MENJ@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: Undectable via ultrasound

> My doc is actually not a full fledged physician. He is a biochemist

> and he is suggesting to eventually do a flush. I went to another

> alternative doc and she said the same thing. I can bet that my

> gastro doctor will suggest the knife --- not that I will do that at

> this stage.

[Guest guest]

I have gone through a lot of reports about Gallstones flush but I feel it is

risky to choose flush method since the diameter of the bile duct is varies

from 3mm to 5mm,the passing of calculi or what you call stone is very risky.

If it is stucked in the bile duct then you will in trouble . The bile juice

will go into your blood and will create Jaudice and if the stone blocked the

Pancreatic duct then there will be severe Pancreatis trouble.

In my opinion if the stone is of Cholestrol in nature then take take UDCA

Capsules / Tablets

( Ursodeoxycholic acid ) which dissolves stones. If it is of pigmented or

calcified then I feel to go for the removal of Gall Bladder.

Regards

Shahab

-----Original Message-----

From: memorrisnj [mailto:MENJ@...]

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:11 AM

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Subject: Re: Undectable via ultrasound

My doc is actually not a full fledged physician. He is a biochemist

and he is suggesting to eventually do a flush. I went to another

alternative doc and she said the same thing. I can bet that my

gastro doctor will suggest the knife --- not that I will do that at

this stage.

I found reference stating your stones may be undetectable in

ultrasound but they may be stuck in the bile duct and if this is the

case, the pain will continue even after the gall bladder is

removed. I had two people read the ultrasound -- one who I trust

implicitly because of his years of knowledge and experience with me

in the past. I started taking phosphatidylcholine again but I was

having even more gall bladder attacks (e.g., urgent bm's and pain in

side) while taking it so I stopped it temporarily. The

phosphatidlycholine may work well for others --- it has lecithin in

it. Any successes out there yet with phosphatidylcholine?

> Well that is interesting, because my surgeon said the gallstones

that came out of my gallbladder were all cholesterol and they showed

up good and clear on ultrasound. I don't mean to be disrespectufl,

but that sounds like a fish story to me. Did he suggest what you

should do? Dawn

>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have gone through a lot of reports about Gallstones flush but I feel it is

risky to choose flush method since the diameter of the bile duct is varies

from 3mm to 5mm,the passing of calculi or what you call stone is very risky.

If it is stucked in the bile duct then you will in trouble . The bile juice

will go into your blood and will create Jaudice and if the stone blocked the

Pancreatic duct then there will be severe Pancreatis trouble.

In my opinion if the stone is of Cholestrol in nature then take take UDCA

Capsules / Tablets

( Ursodeoxycholic acid ) which dissolves stones. If it is of pigmented or

calcified then I feel to go for the removal of Gall Bladder.

Regards

Shahab

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Shahab;

Are you then saying that the bile ducts are not elastic and will not pass

various sizes of stones of the calcified and the cholesterol types?

Dale

[Guest guest]

I have heard no reports of stones being caught in the bile ducts as

the result of a flush when Epsom Salts are used in the flush. Epsom

Salts ease the bile ducts to assist in their expansion as a calcium

stone is being passed.

Please refer to the group's Bookmarks on flush methods for the recipe.

Also, please give any further information if you have sources.

Thank you.

Suzanne

> I have gone through a lot of reports about Gallstones flush but I

feel it is

> risky to choose flush method since the diameter of the bile duct is

varies

> from 3mm to 5mm,the passing of calculi or what you call stone is

very risky.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. This sounds like an excellent lead.

Can you tell me if the following are usually viewable on an

ultrasound providing they are not hidden by the bile duct?

1. Gallstones Cholestrol in nature

2. Gallstones pigmented or calcified

My ultrasound shows absolutely no problems and I really trust the

person who did them --- very experienced --- and they were double

checked too.

With gratitude, MENJ

> > Well that is interesting, because my surgeon said the gallstones

> that came out of my gallbladder were all cholesterol and they

showed

> up good and clear on ultrasound. I don't mean to be disrespectufl,

> but that sounds like a fish story to me. Did he suggest what you

> should do? Dawn

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

Do calcium supplements like Tums cause gallstones? Lolene

Hull

----- Original Message -----

From: suzanne_on_ca

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Undectable via ultrasound

I have heard no reports of stones being caught in the bile ducts as

the result of a flush when Epsom Salts are used in the flush. Epsom

Salts ease the bile ducts to assist in their expansion as a calcium

stone is being passed.

Please refer to the group's Bookmarks on flush methods for the recipe.

Also, please give any further information if you have sources.

Thank you.

Suzanne

> I have gone through a lot of reports about Gallstones flush but I

feel it is

> risky to choose flush method since the diameter of the bile duct is

varies

> from 3mm to 5mm,the passing of calculi or what you call stone is

very risky.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lolene,

To my understanding, too many calcium supplements may cause kidney

stones. AS for gallbladder stones...I'm not sure.....anyone else

know?

Suzanne

> Hi Suzanne,

> Do calcium supplements like Tums cause

gallstones?

[Guest guest]

---All I know is my gallstones, a whole gallbladder full of them,

showed up bright and clear on my ultrasound. Even the technichian

told me I was full of gall stones from doing my ultrasound which was

confirmed by my doctor. They also ultrasound ed my liver and bile

duct and found that they were clear of any blockagge or stones.

In gallstones@y..., " MENJ " <MENJ@a...> wrote:

> Can anyone help me either (1) find internet references that state

that

> gallstones are often undetectable via ultrasound or (2) site their

own

> experiences with this?

>

> I have a very clear ultrasound yet plenty of pain in the gallstone

area.

> The doc I am consulting with insists the gallstones cannot be

viewed since

> they consist of cholesterol which is often clear. Makes sense but

I have

> yet to see this anywhere.