Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Milk Thistle worked for me. Also decrease as many prescription meds as possible. Elevated liver enzymes can also be the result of chronic infection and even of gallstones. Carol in LI, NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Hello Bob..my daughter Tabitha had high liver enzymes when she was 5..she is now 17..they did a liver biopsy on her to see what was causing it and we found the indocin(sp) that she was on was raising the levels. That is when they put her on naporsyn and everything was okay. Back in February it showed her liver count was high again..so they took blood last week to see if it was still up..haven't heard anything yet..so i think..well hope..it is okay. Good luck and hang in there..((((hugs))))to Mitch (Tab17..poly) From: Bob Tilk <btilk@...> Reply- Subject: High liver enzymes Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:24:27 -0600 I have been faithfully listening and learning from all of you for many years and thank you all for your wisdom, guidance, and humor. Now I need some advice. My son, Mitch (14, systemic for 8 yrs) has just been told he has high liver enzymes (don't know #'s yet). They said take off cyclosporin NOW. Has anyone any experience with something similar. I would like to have some questions ready when we go to see Dr. We are very nervous about this. Bob Tilk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Bob,while my son 3systemic has never had problems,he has a friend who just turned 3systemic and last months bloodwork showed her enzymes where 5 times higher than they should be.The rheumy called mom and told her she cant have her MTX shot.She had to have her dose droped from 17.5mg to 12mg and they are going to slowely taper it down,because if you suddenly take it away the organs can get involved.Now in her case she is also on enbrel and off of steroids.So she may be able to reduce or go off the MTX with out arthur flairing up.I would ask if your child has to come completely off the cyclosporine or if a dose reduction might help.I would also question if the dose was still weight appropriate.When the kids are on steroids they gain weight then when the start to lose the weight the doses are to high.I hope everything works out ok.Lots of hugs Becki and 3systemic Bob Tilk wrote: > I have been faithfully listening and learning from all of you for many > years and thank you all for your wisdom, guidance, and humor. Now I > need some advice. My son, Mitch (14, systemic for 8 yrs) has just been > told he has high liver enzymes (don't know #'s yet). They said take off > cyclosporin NOW. Has anyone any experience with something similar. I > would like to have some questions ready when we go to see Dr. We are > very nervous about this. > > Bob Tilk > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 My daughter 15 (poly jra) also has high liver enzymes(abn liver function tests) She is on methotrexate and had monthly labs to detect this. What ended up being found in her case is that we had the labs done too close to her methotrexate dose. When we changed that her liver studies looked fine. We were told however that if they did not improve by doing that,she would have to decrease the dosage of her methotrexate or possibly stop it all togther. I was told that also if it is a one time result it can be a fluke ...you should always have a repeat test. Not sure if this helps but thought I'd let you know our experience. Keep us informed. Hope all works out just fine! Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Dear Bob , I too had high liver enzymes due to a mix of methotrexate, embrel and celebrex. I backed off each drug and nothing changed so I then went six months (thru the winter ) with nothing so much as even a tylenol. The liver has an incredible ability to heal it's self thank heavens. So after six months I finally had a good blood test, I have gradually gone back on celebrex and a dmard called arava but at much more gradual rates than most people do. so far so good! I hope you will be able to get to the bottom of this soon some drugs are just so much harder on the liver ....its a very scary thing and I often wonder if just living with the arthritis and it's effects isn't easier or well how can i say this .... i now live with alot of joint damage but it's not nearly the worry that organ damage can be ...I guess just having to make choices, when none of the choices are guaranteed to be good ones or right ones, is sometimes the hardest part of a progressive disease.:):)Tree:):) High liver enzymes I have been faithfully listening and learning from all of you for manyyears and thank you all for your wisdom, guidance, and humor. Now Ineed some advice. My son, Mitch (14, systemic for 8 yrs) has just beentold he has high liver enzymes (don't know #'s yet). They said take offcyclosporin NOW. Has anyone any experience with something similar. Iwould like to have some questions ready when we go to see Dr. We arevery nervous about this.Bob Tilk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 have any of you tried using milk thistle to lower your liver enzymes? I find it is very successful for this. Bonnie Regional Director, PHD Products, Inc 800-863-3403bonnie@...http://phdproducts.com High liver enzymes I have been faithfully listening and learning from all of you for manyyears and thank you all for your wisdom, guidance, and humor. Now Ineed some advice. My son, Mitch (14, systemic for 8 yrs) has just beentold he has high liver enzymes (don't know #'s yet). They said take offcyclosporin NOW. Has anyone any experience with something similar. Iwould like to have some que! stions ready when we go to see Dr. We arevery nervous about this.Bob Tilk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Hi Bob, What else has Mitch been taking? How long was he on cyclosporin? Had they recently raised the dose? Josh has never taken cyclosporin. Despite the pred, indomethacin, MTX, and hydroxychloroquine ... his liver enzymes have never reached the danger zone. Bonnie mentioned milk thistle. I've heard and read lots of positive things about it being used for just this sort of thing. You may want to ask your doctor about it. There's a post from our group archives that I'll paste in below. If I had more time, I'd do a better search, but at least it may give you something to think about. Please know that Mitch and the family will be in our thoughts. I hope this issue gets resolved quickly, without any lasting effects. All the best, Georgina In "The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants" Chevallier says this about Milk thistle:"Today, milk thistle is the main remedy used in western herbal medicine to protect the liver and its many metabolic activities, and help renew its cells. The herb is used in the treatment of jaundice, as well as inconditions where the liver is under stress--whether from infection, excess alcohol, or from chemotherapy prescribed to treat diseases such as cancer. In this last instance, milk thistle can help to limit damage done to the liver by chemotherapy and speed up recovery from side effects once the treatment is completed."pg. 71 "The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, Chevallier, DK Publishing, 1996, ISBN 0-7894-0672In "The Green Pharmacy" by A. Duke Ph.D., Dr.Duke states:"I had hepatitis in Panama 25 years ago, and I did what my doctors told me; I stopped drinking alcohol until I recovered, which was a challenge because in Panama, the rum is cheap and tasty. And I rested. That was it...." " When my son developed hepatitis a few years ago, his doctor gave him the same advice mine gave me in Panama years ago. But this time around, I knew more about medicinal herbs, so I gave my son two bottles of milk thistle capsules.""Milk thistle is my top choice for all kinds of liver ailments, including everything from hepatitis to cirrhosis to Amanita mushroom poisoning."pg. 375 "The Green Pharmacy, The Ultimate Compendium of Natural Remedies >From The Worlds Foremost Authority on Healing Herbs" A. Duke, Ph.D. St. 's Press, 1997, ISBN: 0-312-96648-2 From: Bonnie have any of you tried using milk thistle to lower your liver enzymes? I find it is very successful for this. Bonnie From: theresa sappenfield Dear Bob , I too had high liver enzymes due to a mix of methotrexate, embrel and celebrex. I backed off each drug and nothing changed so I then went six months (thru the winter ) with nothing so much as even a tylenol. The liver has an incredible ability to heal it's self thank heavens. So after six months I finally had a good blood test, I have gradually gone back on celebrex and a dmard called arava but at much more gradual rates than most people do. so far so good! I hope you will be able to get to the bottom of this soon some drugs are just so much harder on the liver ....its a very scary thing and I often wonder if just living with the arthritis and it's effects isn't easier or well how can i say this .... i now live with alot of joint damage but it's not nearly the worry that organ damage can be ...I guess just having to make choices, when none of the choices are guaranteed to be good ones or right ones, is sometimes the hardest part of a progressive disease.:):! )Tree:):) From: Bob Tilk I have been faithfully listening and learning from all of you for manyyears and thank you all for your wisdom, guidance, and humor. Now Ineed some advice. My son, Mitch (14, systemic for 8 yrs) has just beentold he has high liver enzymes (don't know #'s yet). They said take offcyclosporin NOW. Has anyone any experience with something similar. Iwould like to have some questions ready when we go to see Dr. We arevery nervous about this.Bob Tilk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi Joyce Boy Monday will be another day to get through heh?I can't really back up with Lab work but Makayla's liver enzymes were elevated when she was on IV Rocephin and oral Doxy after only a few weeks and she had a great deal of liver pain. The daily castor oil packs really seemed to take away all her pain and improved constant nausea. Perhaps you are killing off too much at once ? Perhaps you can ask Buhner on Planet Thrive?What are you doing to absorb toxins? Big hug and continued prayer, and Makayla loveandlight1111 <loveandlight1111@...> wrote: Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know tests are not reliable. I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they don't seem to be helping. I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after another coming upt to deal with. Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone healing Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Dear Joyce, Hope you get some answers. I'm thinking of you. Blessings, Ballady > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > tests are not reliable. > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > don't seem to be helping. > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > another coming upt to deal with. > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > healing Joyce > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Im thinkin of you as well Joyce - please let us know how it turns out. Like said this would be a very good question to ask on Planet thrive. Prayers, hope and healing, Sam > > Dear Joyce, > > Hope you get some answers. I'm thinking of you. > > Blessings, > > Ballady > > > > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult > blood in my > > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > > tests are not reliable. > > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > > don't seem to be helping. > > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > > another coming upt to deal with. > > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > > healing Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi People, I'm confused about liver issues. I was told by a naturopath who has Lyme patients that there is a difference between protecting the liver verses flushing it (I guess flushing would be cleansing). She said she does not recommend milk thistle for Lyme because it's a " protectant " and using it is like closing off the liver. She uses dandelion root (which I guess flushes/cleanses?). I bought a magazine in Border's recently (Sage Woman, Volume #70) that has a column by herbalist Weed - this is the first time I've heard of her but that doesn't mean anything (is anyone familar with her?). In her column in response to a person who asked about cleansing the liver because they used a lot of recreational drugs and alcohol when they were young (and still use alcohol and also drink coffee), she replied " Wait! Don't 'cleanse' your liver " - it won't help and may harm you. She goes on to talk about how the liver works, etc., etc (I'm sorry I'm not up to typing it all out, but that's probably illegal anyway). She says to make the liver strong and healthy by " nourishing " it with things like dandelion, chicory, yellow dock and milk thistle (but to use milk thistle before the fact/ before exposure to chemicals, chemo, heavy drinking, etc.) She's not talking in reference to Lyme, but I think it still relates. Maybe it's my brain today, but it seems there are some contradictions and/or differences between what these two people have said. The ND seems to be saying " cleanse, don't protect " ; and the herbalist seems to be saying " don't cleanse, but nourish " (is nourishing the same as protecting?). They disagree on " cleansing " and on using milk thistle, but agree on using dandelion root (which I've seen some of you mention is in some of the combination remedies you take). I don't know if this helps anyone make sense out of the liver enzyme issue or gives any more pieces to the puzzle. If nothing else, it highlights how confusing and/or complicated this can be, at least to me (sigh). Weed does say in the column that the liver is " amazingly regenerative, " and that every cell of it is replaced every forty days, so like D's post which just came in as I was finishing this, a positive note! (sigh, of relief and hope this time) Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi , I was doing Chorella but it seemed to make me sicker. suggested the castor oil packs so will try that again. Coffee-enemas gives me some relief but this is not fun,plus the stress of everything.Just so exhausted to do one more thing. This all too shall pass. Just have to get through it. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers. And blessings to you and Makayla. Take care Joyce Berndt <nlberndt@...> wrote: Hi Joyce Boy Monday will be another day to get through heh?I can't really back up with Lab work but Makayla's liver enzymes were elevated when she was on IV Rocephin and oral Doxy after only a few weeks and she had a great deal of liver pain. The daily castor oil packs really seemed to take away all her pain and improved constant nausea. Perhaps you are killing off too much at once ? Perhaps you can ask Buhner on Planet Thrive?What are you doing to absorb toxins? Big hug and continued prayer, and Makayla loveandlight1111 <loveandlight1111@...> wrote: Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know tests are not reliable. I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they don't seem to be helping. I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after another coming upt to deal with. Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone healing Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Ballady. Much appreciated. ballady4 <ballady4@...> wrote: Dear Joyce, Hope you get some answers. I'm thinking of you. Blessings, Ballady > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > tests are not reliable. > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > don't seem to be helping. > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > another coming upt to deal with. > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > healing Joyce > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Sam. for your sweet message. Yes, I will ask Buhner on PT. Blessings to you Joyce Sam <dudehorner@...> wrote: Im thinkin of you as well Joyce - please let us know how it turns out. Like said this would be a very good question to ask on Planet thrive. Prayers, hope and healing, Sam > > Dear Joyce, > > Hope you get some answers. I'm thinking of you. > > Blessings, > > Ballady > > > > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult > blood in my > > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > > tests are not reliable. > > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > > don't seem to be helping. > > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > > another coming upt to deal with. > > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > > healing Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Joyce - I know you will get through this. Your body is working so hard to get well, and dumping so many toxins at the same time. It is rough! The liver can definitely repair itself, and hopefully you will get it all figured out very soon, and feel much better. You are in my thoughts and prayers, and if there is anything I can do, just say the word.........HELP! Love, Jnanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Jnanda, Your post and others are making me cry. Fills my heart to overflow. Very healing. Thanks Joyce jnandalampman <jnanda@...> wrote: Joyce - I know you will get through this. Your body is working so hard to get well, and dumping so many toxins at the same time. It is rough! The liver can definitely repair itself, and hopefully you will get it all figured out very soon, and feel much better. You are in my thoughts and prayers, and if there is anything I can do, just say the word.........HELP! Love, Jnanda --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hey, Joyce, I'm sending love and light your way. My liver enzymes were up too, but not horribly. Things improved very quickly when I stopped taking absolutely everything. The liver is an amazing organ with incredible powers of regeneration. Hang in there. Think happy thoughts. It's probably healing already. And good luck with the colonoscopy. I had one a couple months ago - the price of turning 50. All I can say is, never have I met a doctor who so loved his work. Man, what enthusiasm. All the best, D. loveandlight1111 <loveandlight1111@...> wrote: Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know tests are not reliable. I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they don't seem to be helping. I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after another coming upt to deal with. Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone healing Joyce --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi Ballady, Do you use the root of the dandelion also? I've seen dandelion in markets but don't remember if the roots were attached. I would love to learn how to use things I can grow myself (at least I think that on higher energy days). Of course, there's no shortage of dandelions around here! But I'm concerned about what the previous owners of this place might have put in the soil. I wonder how long it takes for soil to detox from all those chemicals some people use. Peace, Ann In a message dated 10/25/06 6:42:56 AM, ballady4@... writes: > Ann, > > The bitter vegetables, such as the dandelion you mention, are very > good for the liver and easy to use. I juice them (with other > veggies)and also put them in salads. All the leafy greens - beet, > collards, kale - are likewise good. > > Ballady > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi Ballady, Yes, the greens and root of the dandelion, not the flowering parts. I just read in a book I have that " the most notable use of the dandelion has been the treatment of liver ailments with a brew made from the roots. " It gives some idea how but I think I'd get a more detailed book before I tried something like that. In the meantime I'm going to start adding more of the greens you mentioned to my diet. Thanks! This book also says that dandelion also has a diuretic effect and that the common french name is " pissenlit, or piss-in-bed. " Okay I guess we wont use that one at night! It says the blossoms can be made into dandelion wine or used for a yellow dye, and that the leaves can be made into a tea that is mildly laxative (I imagine keeping things moving also relieves the liver of extra work). If anyone has any suggestions on good books for using/making one's own herbal remedies, let me know (classics or others). I've been perrenial gardening for years and, similar to Ellen, I've been doing it mainly because I love their beauty and company. I'm feeling drawn to going further, so we'll see where the energy goes. I don't presently have any of the plants from the core protocol here at my home (I maybe have a few from the expanded protocol), but I've seen knotweed nearby. Buhner said somewhere (the planettthrive site, I think) that he'd like to see more people wildcraft their own and I agree (I'm envisioning knotweed farms all round me . You're not far from nybg - what a wonderful place! Ann In a message dated 10/25/06 7:32:00 AM, ballady4@... writes: > Hi Ann, > > I don't have any here right now to look at but I think they do come > with the white root attached, which I cut off. We're talking about the > greens (right?) not the actual dandelion. > > Yes, the soil is a question, isn't it, but the seed is also important > as they treat them before packaging, unless you buy organic, which I > found readily available when I had a plot of land to grow my own > vegetables. I live in NYC now so no chance of that! > > Ballady > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Ann, The bitter vegetables, such as the dandelion you mention, are very good for the liver and easy to use. I juice them (with other veggies)and also put them in salads. All the leafy greens - beet, collards, kale - are likewise good. Ballady > > Hi People, > > I'm confused about liver issues. > > I was told by a naturopath who has Lyme patients that there is a difference > between protecting the liver verses flushing it (I guess flushing would be > cleansing). She said she does not recommend milk thistle for Lyme because it's a > " protectant " and using it is like closing off the liver. She uses dandelion > root (which I guess flushes/cleanses?). > > I bought a magazine in Border's recently (Sage Woman, Volume #70) that has a > column by herbalist Weed - this is the first time I've heard of her but > that doesn't mean anything (is anyone familar with her?). > > In her column in response to a person who asked about cleansing the liver > because they used a lot of recreational drugs and alcohol when they were young > (and still use alcohol and also drink coffee), she replied " Wait! Don't > 'cleanse' your liver " - it won't help and may harm you. She goes on to talk about how > the liver works, etc., etc (I'm sorry I'm not up to typing it all out, but > that's probably illegal anyway). > > She says to make the liver strong and healthy by " nourishing " it with things > like dandelion, chicory, yellow dock and milk thistle (but to use milk thistle > before the fact/ before exposure to chemicals, chemo, heavy drinking, etc.) > > She's not talking in reference to Lyme, but I think it still relates. > > Maybe it's my brain today, but it seems there are some contradictions and/or > differences between what these two people have said. The ND seems to be saying > " cleanse, don't protect " ; and the herbalist seems to be saying " don't > cleanse, but nourish " (is nourishing the same as protecting?). > > They disagree on " cleansing " and on using milk thistle, but agree on using > dandelion root (which I've seen some of you mention is in some of the > combination remedies you take). > > I don't know if this helps anyone make sense out of the liver enzyme issue or > gives any more pieces to the puzzle. > > If nothing else, it highlights how confusing and/or complicated this can be, > at least to me (sigh). Weed does say in the column that the liver is > " amazingly regenerative, " and that every cell of it is replaced every forty days, > so like D's post which just came in as I was finishing this, a positive > note! (sigh, of relief and hope this time) > > Ann > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi Ann, I don't have any here right now to look at but I think they do come with the white root attached, which I cut off. We're talking about the greens (right?) not the actual dandelion. Yes, the soil is a question, isn't it, but the seed is also important as they treat them before packaging, unless you buy organic, which I found readily available when I had a plot of land to grow my own vegetables. I live in NYC now so no chance of that! Ballady > > Hi Ballady, > > Do you use the root of the dandelion also? > > I've seen dandelion in markets but don't remember if the roots were attached. > > I would love to learn how to use things I can grow myself (at least I think > that on higher energy days). Of course, there's no shortage of dandelions > around here! But I'm concerned about what the previous owners of this place might > have put in the soil. I wonder how long it takes for soil to detox from all > those chemicals some people use. > > Peace, > Ann > > > > In a message dated 10/25/06 6:42:56 AM, ballady4@... writes: > > > Ann, > > > > The bitter vegetables, such as the dandelion you mention, are very > > good for the liver and easy to use. I juice them (with other > > veggies)and also put them in salads. All the leafy greens - beet, > > collards, kale - are likewise good. > > > > Ballady > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 > > Hi People, > > I'm confused about liver issues. > > I was told by a naturopath who has Lyme patients that there is a difference > between protecting the liver verses flushing it (I guess flushing would be > cleansing). She said she does not recommend milk thistle for Lyme because it's a > " protectant " and using it is like closing off the liver. She uses dandelion > root (which I guess flushes/cleanses?). > > I bought a magazine in Border's recently (Sage Woman, Volume #70) that has a > column by herbalist Weed - this is the first time I've heard of her but > that doesn't mean anything (is anyone familar with her?). > > In her column in response to a person who asked about cleansing the liver > because they used a lot of recreational drugs and alcohol when they were young > (and still use alcohol and also drink coffee), she replied " Wait! Don't > 'cleanse' your liver " - it won't help and may harm you. She goes on to talk about how > the liver works, etc., etc (I'm sorry I'm not up to typing it all out, but > that's probably illegal anyway). > > She says to make the liver strong and healthy by " nourishing " it with things > like dandelion, chicory, yellow dock and milk thistle (but to use milk thistle > before the fact/ before exposure to chemicals, chemo, heavy drinking, etc.) > > She's not talking in reference to Lyme, but I think it still relates. > > Maybe it's my brain today, but it seems there are some contradictions and/or > differences between what these two people have said. The ND seems to be saying > " cleanse, don't protect " ; and the herbalist seems to be saying " don't > cleanse, but nourish " (is nourishing the same as protecting?). > > They disagree on " cleansing " and on using milk thistle, but agree on using > dandelion root (which I've seen some of you mention is in some of the > combination remedies you take). > > I don't know if this helps anyone make sense out of the liver enzyme issue or > gives any more pieces to the puzzle. > > If nothing else, it highlights how confusing and/or complicated this can be, > at least to me (sigh). Weed does say in the column that the liver is > " amazingly regenerative, " and that every cell of it is replaced every forty days, > so like D's post which just came in as I was finishing this, a positive > note! (sigh, of relief and hope this time) > > Ann Dear ann, I'm familiar with susan weed as she lives and teaches peeps about herbs in my area of NY. she has always been fascinated with dandelion and rightly so since like her name it is a common enough weed that confounds most suburban lawn/carpet enthusiasts. from the root to the flowers this plant is a real gem. it is also very affordable if you're lucky enough to have a decent vegetable market handy. there are untold benefits to actually eating a fresh product to consuming a pill. Weed's advise is simple and sound. good luck mike in NY > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi Joyce, want to add my good wishes and thoughts to you. What a pain to have to deal with something else, isn't it? I don't know about liver enzymes, but here is what my Chinese medicine book [which has helped me heal from many things] says about regenerating the liver: - 'vegetable foods that are rich in beta-carotene and Vit C & E are particularly healing.' - 'anger is particularly damaging to the liver...a balanced temperament helps the liver restore harmony.' - foods to eat: lima beans, green beans, mung beans, leafy greens, 'acc to Chinese medicine carrots and carrot juice are healing for the liver.',seaweeds, tempeh, spirulina,mung beans. Herbs recommended: 'dandelion has ong been regarded as a powerful liver cleanser' 'Dandelion promotes blood-cleansing functions of the liver, and lymph movement and drainage.' [This book only talks about the leaves, not the roots.] burdock root tea, milk thistle 'helps liver cleanse and rebuild itself' I hope by now you have questioned Buhner. My opinion of Buhner is so high that I would be surprised if there was a down-side to an herb which he has not mentioned. He seems to be so comprehensive. I'm holding you and your liver in my thoughts. Like everybody said, the liver is a wondrous organ. [bTW, when my adrenals went kaput, and I was treating them, I copied a picture of the adrenals and put the picture on my altar, so I could have some concrete image to send my healing thoughts to.] best, ellen > > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > tests are not reliable. > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > don't seem to be helping. > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > another coming upt to deal with. > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > healing Joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi Joyce, want to add my good wishes and thoughts to you. What a pain to have to deal with something else, isn't it? I don't know about liver enzymes, but here is what my Chinese medicine book [which has helped me heal from many things] says about regenerating the liver: - 'vegetable foods that are rich in beta-carotene and Vit C & E are particularly healing.' - 'anger is particularly damaging to the liver...a balanced temperament helps the liver restore harmony.' - foods to eat: lima beans, green beans, mung beans, leafy greens, 'acc to Chinese medicine carrots and carrot juice are healing for the liver.',seaweeds, tempeh, spirulina,mung beans. Herbs recommended: 'dandelion has ong been regarded as a powerful liver cleanser' 'Dandelion promotes blood-cleansing functions of the liver, and lymph movement and drainage.' [This book only talks about the leaves, not the roots.] burdock root tea, milk thistle 'helps liver cleanse and rebuild itself' I hope by now you have questioned Buhner. My opinion of Buhner is so high that I would be surprised if there was a down-side to an herb which he has not mentioned. He seems to be so comprehensive. I'm holding you and your liver in my thoughts. Like everybody said, the liver is a wondrous organ. [bTW, when my adrenals went kaput, and I was treating them, I copied a picture of the adrenals and put the picture on my altar, so I could have some concrete image to send my healing thoughts to.] best, ellen > > Hi all, I am having a colonosopy mon as there was occult blood in my > stool test. The Dr I am seeing for this seems to be lyme and mcs > literate. She did some extra blood work to see if herbs would be a > problem as some thin blood. I have had up and down liver enzymes > through out killing these critters the last 2 yrs. Anyway, got a call > from her nurse that liver enzymes were high and to stop herbs. She > will talk to me mon and recheck enzymes.Needless to say I am concerned > about this. Stopping the herbs and the liver stuff. I have been > researching about high liver enzymes and its about being over toxic, > supps,meds etc.I also know babs can cause liver problems but was neg > on tests. But I do have alot of babs and bart symptions. And we know > tests are not reliable. > I have been taking all kinds of things to protect liver but they > don't seem to be helping. > I am so overwhelmed with this and really tired on one thing after > another coming upt to deal with. > Good vibes and prayers would be appreciated. Also any thought or > feed back if anyone has had the high enzymes. Blessings to everyone > healing Joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi Joyce, just read the whole loooong thread about liver enzymes. Sorry I missed the thread! Sorry I can't help you on that either. I just know that Toa-free cats claw caused my liver to be in pain and that was the main reason to stop taking it and shifting for the whole version. Even the whole version was hard, but not to that extent. I felt comfortable with 3 capsules a day, but not really with more. Now I'm on 2, that's the maximum. I may drop to one soon. Now I'm on toa-free too, but was ART tested only for 1 drop. The naturopath added the second drop, because she felt one was too little. I had/ have liver problems with metal release. Metals cause strong liver symptoms, and it's the main organ to get screwed up with metals, in my case. What also helps my liver were hot bottles with humid towel (my naturopath recommeded me last time). To be done before bed time. And reflex massage on the liver point (and gall bladder) on the right foot. But I suppose it must be done with care. This was not recommended by anyone, I just do solo (I'm a reflex massagist by intuition!). I mean, I 'learned' the Chiinese charts many years ago, and keep using it for ages. I feel what it does to my body, but I can't recommend it as I'm not professional. I don't know if it could do more harm than good in case your liver is poisoned with metals. I suppose it could free metals?? I do both reflex with chlorella. With loads of it, you know it already... Hope you'll find something that works for your liver. Gee, what a disease ... Will be sending you good vibes in a few minutes!! Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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