Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I would suspect that too many 'vegetarians' really do not eat well and but simply avoid meat. We have the soy burgers and every other 'fake' meat-like food that one buys in the local supermarket. This is highly processed food that probably should not be called food. Avoiding meat does not always mean one eats well. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 That's true, Joe. And it is why I'm very interested in the pitfalls of a vegetarian diet. I'm allergic to soy so that certainly wasn't my problem. I would like to see some sort of comparison between vegetarian diets and problems encountered with each. I eat whole foods, which didn't do me much good. ar On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:20:06 -0400, " JCastron1 " <jcastron1@...> said: > I would suspect that too many 'vegetarians' really do not eat well and > but simply avoid meat. > > We have the soy burgers and every other 'fake' meat-like food that one > buys in the local supermarket. This is highly processed food that > probably should not be called food. > > Avoiding meat does not always mean one eats well. > > Joe C. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 You eat whole foods? Maybe this is your problem. For some foods, it might be better to eat half foods. E.g., a whole watermelon is probably not good. Better to eat just a part of a watermelon. > > That's true, Joe. And it is why I'm very interested in the pitfalls of > a vegetarian diet. I'm allergic to soy so that certainly wasn't my > problem. I would like to see some sort of comparison between vegetarian > diets and problems encountered with each. I eat whole foods, which > didn't do me much good. > > ar > > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:20:06 -0400, " JCastron1 " <jcastron1@...> > said: > > I would suspect that too many 'vegetarians' really do not eat well and > > but simply avoid meat. > > > > We have the soy burgers and every other 'fake' meat-like food that one > > buys in the local supermarket. This is highly processed food that > > probably should not be called food. > > > > Avoiding meat does not always mean one eats well. > > > > Joe C. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:40:55 -0000, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> said: > > You eat whole foods? Maybe this is your problem. For some foods, it > might be better to eat half foods. E.g., a whole watermelon is probably > not good. Better to eat just a part of a watermelon. Oh! That explains it! I should eat the rind instead of the red part? ar -- Arlyn Grant arlynsg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Oh man I would never leave the bathroom if I ate a whole watermelon Cheri > > > > That's true, Joe. And it is why I'm very interested in the pitfalls of > > a vegetarian diet. I'm allergic to soy so that certainly wasn't my > > problem. I would like to see some sort of comparison between vegetarian > > diets and problems encountered with each. I eat whole foods, which > > didn't do me much good. > > > > ar > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:20:06 -0400, " JCastron1 " <jcastron1@> > > said: > > > I would suspect that too many 'vegetarians' really do not eat well and > > > but simply avoid meat. > > > > > > We have the soy burgers and every other 'fake' meat-like food that one > > > buys in the local supermarket. This is highly processed food that > > > probably should not be called food. > > > > > > Avoiding meat does not always mean one eats well. > > > > > > Joe C. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I understand your frustration Arlyn but you will never find one book or one serious paper on the pitfalls of a vegetarian diet and cancer.. This will not happen: a vegetarian diet is the best to prevent or to fight cancer. Your cancer is estrogen related and had nothing to do (IMO) with the fact that you were not eating meat. We live in a world of estrogen produced by our chemical environment and this is one of the reason of the epidemic of estrogen related cancer. I just posted an article on fire retardant. http://www.jmbblog.com/killer-cribs-report/ This chemical is linked to an increase number of cancer in children but also of breast cancer and prostate cancer in firefighters and this s.@#$*. t is everywhere. In our house, our car... everywhere even in polar bears and eagle .. This garbage affects our thyroid hormone transport and metabolism and has a very serious effect on the estrogen system.. To comeback to anti-cancer nutrition the relation between animal fat and breast cancer was established by Ken Caroll PHD already in 1986 " Thailand, Sri Lanka and El Salvador were at the bottom of the consumers of animal fat and at the bottom of breast Cancer statistics. At the top was UK and Netherlands with almost 6 times more breast cancer " Caroll KK, Braden LM and Bell JA " Fat and Cancer " Cancer 58 -------------------------------------------------------------- High animal protein and refined carbohydrates: Lower the age of menarche (first menstruation) Raise the age of menopause Increase blood cholesterol Increase level of female hormones (especially estrogen) in the blood What are the risk factors for breast cancer? Early age of menarche Late age of menopause High blood cholesterol High level of female hormones (especially estrogen) ------------------------------------------------------------------ What we already know about Estrogen and Animal Protein: Increase of Estrogen and related hormones are a result of a diet high in fat and animal product and low in dietary fiber (1) (2) (3)(4) (5) (6) REFERENCES :(1) Wu,AH, Pike MC and Stram " Meta –Analysis dietary fat intake, seru m estrogen levels, and the risk of breast cancer " Cancer Inst. 1999 (2) Rosenthal MB , Barnard, Rose et al : " Effects of a hight-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low cholesterol diet on level of serum lipid and estradiol " 1985 (3) Tymchuck CN , Tessler SB and Barnard RJ " Changes in sex Hormone binding globulin, insulin and serum lipids in postmenopausal women on a low-fat diet, high-fiber diet combine with exercise. Nutr. Cancer 2000 (4) Dongan, J Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003) (5) Women Health Initiative Investigators J " Risk and benefits of estrogen plus progestin in healthy postmenopausal women " JAMA 288 (6) Women Hulley S, Grady D, Bush T and Al " Randomized trial of estrogen plus postaglandin for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease in postmenopausal women, JAMA 280 (1998 ) Several female hormones were reduced to safe levels at the onset of puberty simply by having girls consume a low fat, low animal based diet. Reduction was 25% to 30% up to 50 % Dongan J, Hunsberger S, A, McMahon Rp et Al. " Diet and sex Hormones in girls : finding from a randomized controlled clinical trial.' J.Nat. Cancer Inst. 95 (2003) Jmb " Arlyn Grant " <arlynsg@...> wrote: > > That's true, Joe. And it is why I'm very interested in the pitfalls of a vegetarian diet. I'm allergic to soy so that certainly wasn't my > problem. I would like to see some sort of comparison between vegetarian diets and problems encountered with each. I eat whole foods, which didn't do me much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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