Re: German clinic (was Seeking newbie advice)

[Guest guest]

mario manga <xxxmangamanxxx@...> wrote:

>want to take my rellie to NY Dr but my rellie is in germany

There are a lot of good things about the Kelley- regimen, but it's not

appropriate for someone 76 yrs old or someone who's had chemo. Germany has many

excellent clinics that are much better than (and which happen to use

pancreatic enzymes, the core component of Kelley-). Overall, my 1st

choice would be

Hufeland Klinik for Holistic Immunotherapy

Loffeisteizer Str. 1-3, D-97980 Bad Mergentheim, Germany

49-7931-7082 or 7931-5360; Fax: 49 7931-8185 or 7931-46244; Hhmgh@...

www.hufeland.com/english/index.html

www.germancancerclinics.com/hufeland-klinik-pancreatic-cancer-alternative-clinic\

s.html

Most effective w/melanoma; sarcomas; and brain (particularly GBM), breast,

prostate, colon, & kidney cancers. Also effective w/ovarian cancer. Least

effective w/pancreatic cancer.

" mistletoe...PDT...local and full-body hyperthermia [sometimes w/IPT], fever

therapy [Coley’s toxins]â€, Issels, IV vitamins, autohemotherapy, Carnivora,

electrogalvanic electricity, pneumatron, autohormone therapy (AHT), eumetabolic

therapy, light therapy, thyroid peptides, thymus, enzymes, oxygen multistep

therapy (OMT) (ozone, peroxide), serums, antigens, interferon, detox, mind-body

therapies, surgery, (rarely) radiation. NFAM.org (2001) seemed to think it was

the best clinic in Germany: " best protocol, least expensive " . " Moss.... found

that [Hufeland]...had excellent documentation to prove [their] success with

advanced... cancer. " " have visited Hufeland clinic four times and each

time…favorable impression… orientation is the patient’s

welfare...fees…reasonable…staff keep good records…We rarely hear any

complaints about [Hufeland] " RalphMoss.com 2008. In 2009, Moss still seemed to

think it was one of the best German clinics. Madeleen Herreschoff, former dir.

of CANHELP.com, also spoke very highly of Hufeland. Only $3500/wk inpatient

(outpatient option available).

Let me know if you'd like more info on this or other German clinics.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Leonard,

My understanding (also supported by insinuations in the latest Moss report on

German Clinics, 2009) is that the Hufeland Klinic at the present is not at the

same level as when the late Dr. Wolfgang Woepel ran it and was it's medical

director.

Nontheless, for people who would like to to get some idea on what the clinic

does go to:

http://cancer.maxawareness.com/members/cancer-clinics/germany/hufeland-clinic-ba\

d-merkentheim/cancer-protocol-and-guided-tour/

Gubi

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From: Leonard

Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:19 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: German clinic (was Seeking newbie advice)

mario manga <xxxmangamanxxx@...> wrote:

>want to take my rellie to NY Dr but my rellie is in germany

There are a lot of good things about the Kelley- regimen, but it's not

appropriate for someone 76 yrs old or someone who's had chemo. Germany has many

excellent clinics that are much better than (and which happen to use

pancreatic enzymes, the core component of Kelley-). Overall, my 1st

choice would be

Hufeland Klinik for Holistic Immunotherapy

Loffeisteizer Str. 1-3, D-97980 Bad Mergentheim, Germany

49-7931-7082 or 7931-5360; Fax: 49 7931-8185 or 7931-46244; Hhmgh@...

www.hufeland.com/english/index.html

www.germancancerclinics.com/hufeland-klinik-pancreatic-cancer-alternative-clinic\

s.html

Most effective w/melanoma; sarcomas; and brain (particularly GBM), breast,

prostate, colon, & kidney cancers. Also effective w/ovarian cancer. Least

effective w/pancreatic cancer.

" mistletoe...PDT...local and full-body hyperthermia [sometimes w/IPT], fever

therapy [Coleyâ?Ts toxins]â?, Issels, IV vitamins, autohemotherapy, Carnivora,

electrogalvanic electricity, pneumatron, autohormone therapy (AHT), eumetabolic

therapy, light therapy, thyroid peptides, thymus, enzymes, oxygen multistep

therapy (OMT) (ozone, peroxide), serums, antigens, interferon, detox, mind-body

therapies, surgery, (rarely) radiation. NFAM.org (2001) seemed to think it was

the best clinic in Germany: " best protocol, least expensive " . " Moss.... found

that [Hufeland]...had excellent documentation to prove [their] success with

advanced... cancer. " " have visited Hufeland clinic four times and each

timeâ?¦favorable impressionâ?¦ orientation is the patientâ?Ts

welfare...feesâ?¦reasonableâ?¦staff keep good recordsâ?¦We rarely hear any

complaints about [Hufeland] " RalphMoss.com 2008. In 2009, Moss still seemed to

think it was one of the best German clinics. Madeleen Herreschoff, former dir.

of CANHELP.com, also spoke very highly of Hufeland. Only $3500/wk inpatient

(outpatient option available).

Let me know if you'd like more info on this or other German clinics.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hello Leonard,

first of all many thanks for your kind advice.

I have talked to this clinic today. To tell you the truth it was not very

encouraging as after the death of the founder they do what they call classic

medicine there which is chemotherapy.

The doc on the phone was pretty arrogant and refused to explain some medical

terminology, so that made me ask him to spell out the words so that I can

check them up. A really disappointing experience. I really found that the

guy was hiding behind a lot of Latin words which is really true for a lot of

medical staff that I have dealt with in the past.

The directory has another clinic in teh list which is called St , I

will contact tthem tomorrow.

Thanks again, guys.

Regards

mario

2011/2/21 Lois Fischer <LoisFischer46@...>

>

>

> Leonard:

>

> Bravo for all that good info on German clinics. take note, this is

> excellent, get your rellie there asap!!!

>

> Lois

>

> From: leonardleonard1@...

> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011

>

> mario manga <xxxmangamanxxx@...> wrote:

> >want to take my rellie to NY Dr but my rellie is in germany

> >

>

> There are a lot of good things about the Kelley- regimen, but it's

> not appropriate for someone 76 yrs old or someone who's had chemo. Germany

> has many excellent clinics that are much better than (and which

> happen to use pancreatic enzymes, the core component of Kelley-).

> Overall, my 1st choice would be

>

> Hufeland Klinik for Holistic Immunotherapy

>

> Loffeisteizer Str. 1-3, D-97980 Bad Mergentheim, Germany

>

> 49-7931-7082 or 7931-5360; Fax: 49 7931-8185 or 7931-46244; Hhmgh@...

>

> www.hufeland.com/english/index.html

>

>

>

www.germancancerclinics.com/hufeland-klinik-pancreatic-cancer-alternative-clinic\

s.html

>

> Most effective w/melanoma; sarcomas; and brain (particularly GBM), breast,

> prostate, colon, & kidney cancers. Also effective w/ovarian cancer. Least

> effective w/pancreatic cancer.

>

> " mistletoe...PDT...local and full-body hyperthermia [sometimes w/IPT],

> fever therapy [Coley’s toxins]�, Issels, IV vitamins,

autohemotherapy,

> Carnivora, electrogalvanic electricity, pneumatron, autohormone therapy

> (AHT), eumetabolic therapy, light therapy, thyroid peptides, thymus,

> enzymes, oxygen multistep therapy (OMT) (ozone, peroxide), serums, antigens,

> interferon, detox, mind-body therapies, surgery, (rarely) radiation.

> NFAM.org (2001) seemed to think it was the best clinic in Germany: " best

> protocol, least expensive " . " Moss.... found that [Hufeland]...had excellent

> documentation to prove [their] success with advanced... cancer. " " have

> visited Hufeland clinic four times and each time…favorable

impression…

> orientation is the patient’s

welfare...fees…reasonable…staff keep good

> records…We rarely hear any complaints about [Hufeland] " RalphMoss.com

> 2008. In 2009, Moss still seemed to think it was one of the best German

> clinics. Madeleen Herreschoff, former dir. of CANHELP.com, also spoke very

> highly of Hufeland. Only $3500/wk inpatient (outpatient option available).

>

> Let me know if you'd like more info on this or other German clinics.

>

> Leonard

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

mario manga <xxxmangamanxxx@...> wrote:

>thanks for your kind advice.

You're very welcome.

> after the death of the founder they do what they call classic

> medicine there which is chemotherapy.

To the best of my knowledge, the chemo they do is IPT, which is generally only

about 15% the standard dose, and is usually much more effective. And they also

offer IV vit. C, hyperthermia, and oxygen therapies (and an excellent line-up of

therapies), which are highly synergistic w/it.

>St Georg

Also an excellent clinic. The reports I've heard about St. Georg are more

variable, but they've gotten amazing successes w/very advanced cancer.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hello Leonard,

many thanks for your reply.

I have sent them the files today.

The patient is in a very bad condition as he is currently getting chemo

(last session next Thursday) and cannot travel 10 hours to Bavaria where the

clinic is located. I hope that after completion of the chemo session and the

staging next week, he will feel better and be able to travel to Bavaria to

be seen at the clinic.

We will give the clinic a shot. Another doc called me today and was more

sympathetic than the one I talked to first and I reckon that the one I

talked to first has had a bad day or some other thing going on. Whatever. I

will keep trying. For starters I have advised my rellie, the top priced,

cold pressed flax seed oil with quark (very available in Germany) and FRESH

cut herbs and sprouts -, no gluten and nothing fried.

I talked to him today and he said he has medical bills amounting to over 890

000 euros for treatments, meds and hospital stays during the last 2 years

related to his cancer, only he feels bad, has no energy and just wants to

sleep.

Thanks so much again, y'all.

Greetz

mario

2011/2/22 Leonard <leonardleonard1@...>

>

> mario manga <xxxmangamanxxx@...> wrote:

> >thanks for your kind advice.

>

> You're very welcome.

>

>

> > after the death of the founder they do what they call classic

> > medicine there which is chemotherapy.

> To the best of my knowledge, the chemo they do is IPT, which is generally

> only about 15% the standard dose, and is usually much more effective. And

> they also offer IV vit. C, hyperthermia, and oxygen therapies (and an

> excellent line-up of therapies), which are highly synergistic w/it.

>

> >St Georg

> Also an excellent clinic. The reports I've heard about St. Georg are more

> variable, but they've gotten amazing successes w/very advanced cancer.

>

> Leonard