Att: Meydrech

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Are there any negative side effects of using epsom salt, olive oil

and grapefruit juice (some say apple juice some say lemon juice).

I have very very tiny stones. Can they stick in the bile duct, while

cleansing. What is sludge and how a technician can identify them from

stones. Few months, I had complaint of worms, which were treated. A

recent stool test shows that I don't have any more.

I feel some sort of discomfort (not pain) under the right ribs, which

is due to gas. This gas sometime travels to left side. What could

the possible reasons of this increased gas, which started about 8

months ago.

An ultrasound doctor told me that we should not go for frequent

ultrasounds, as they could have radiation effects like x-ray. Is it

so ?

> > Tishiri has informed me that you have proof of being scanned by

> > ultasound for the removal of gb stones after cleansing. Is it

so.

> > Has it been proved like that because no body mentions of it. I

have

> > gone through lot of e.mails. I believe cleansing is only

successful

> > when we can see through the ultrasound that the stones have been

> > removed. People appreciate a lot of this cleansing procedure,

but I

> > don't know what stops them to present any proof through

ultrasound.

>

> I understand how you feel...and others may have done

> what you are asking, but it is hard at least for me to

> want to spend the money for an ultrasound if my body is

> telling me that I am doing much better. So though I have

> had ultrasounds of my gallbladder, I have not gone back for

> another right after finishing flushes. I have had at least 5

> ultrasounds of my GB over the past 15+ years, and each

> was different, some showed nothing, another showed 1

> small stone, the next just sludge, then the last a couple years

> back showed stones.

>

> > A recent discovery shows that I have 3 stones of 7mm size. The

> > doctors describe them as silent stones. But I have increased gas

> > problem and I don't know what is the reason.

>

> It could be the stones, that is definately one of the signs

> that something is not working well with the digestive system.

> I don't know how large 7mm is in inches, not good at metric

> conversion.

>

> >Can stones, if staying for a long time in gb, cause cancer.

>

> My medical doctor said it is very rare...sorry you had a friend

> that experienced this, but it is rare...happens in the presence

> of stones more than not, but still, it is very rare.

>

> > Please also suggest a short cleansing procedure with the most

minimum

> > quantities of olive oil and lemon juice and apple juice. What is

> > this epsom salt. Is it ordinary salt ?

>

> Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...you can get them in

> a drug store or that section of a super market very

> inexpensively. The best way

> to do the flush is the way described in links to curezone on these

> emails, I describe what I did (and will be doing again this Friday

> night)...there are other ways, but the flush with epsoms,

> fresh grapefruit juice, olive oil ingredients has always worked

> best for most, I think.

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response.

Gas problem

The gas problem I mentioned to you, I met in this connection with a

Professor of Medicine, who told me that this is not due to stones.

But it is due to the reason that I have developed a fatty lever. I

am overweight and trying to reduce it. My weight has recently gone

upto 100 kgs from 80kgs. Ultrasound also showed that I have a fatty

lever. Do you have an idea what is a fatty lever and what harm it

can do. This question I forgot to ask the Professor.

Negative side effect

From this I did not mean apparent side effect. What I mean effects

in the internal body system e.g. to kidneys, lever, spleen and colons

etc.etc. Don't you think items like epsom salt, extra virgin olive

oil and juices in big quantities can do any serious harm to the

digestive system.

Dried figs

One of my friends who had serious pains due to gall stones, who used

to be hospitalized to get relief from this pain, did not go for

operation. Rather, he took a prescription from a book of using dried

figs. The methods is that six dried figs should be soaked in milk

for about 5 minutes and then figs should be eaten empty stomach in

the morning. In a matter of six months, he has no pains and now has

been eating quite fatty meals, but he does have pain. He does not

want to go for ultrasound and says as to why he should go when he

does not have any pain. Though I don't have any pain due to stones,

yet I am also trying this method.

Worm & parasites

Can worms & parasties still exist in the digestive system even if the

stool test does not show them.

> > > > Tishiri has informed me that you have proof of being scanned

by

> > > > ultasound for the removal of gb stones after cleansing. Is

it

> > so.

> > > > Has it been proved like that because no body mentions of it.

I

> > have

> > > > gone through lot of e.mails. I believe cleansing is only

> > successful

> > > > when we can see through the ultrasound that the stones have

been

> > > > removed. People appreciate a lot of this cleansing

procedure,

> > but I

> > > > don't know what stops them to present any proof through

> > ultrasound.

> > >

> > > I understand how you feel...and others may have done

> > > what you are asking, but it is hard at least for me to

> > > want to spend the money for an ultrasound if my body is

> > > telling me that I am doing much better. So though I have

> > > had ultrasounds of my gallbladder, I have not gone back for

> > > another right after finishing flushes. I have had at least 5

> > > ultrasounds of my GB over the past 15+ years, and each

> > > was different, some showed nothing, another showed 1

> > > small stone, the next just sludge, then the last a couple years

> > > back showed stones.

> > >

> > > > A recent discovery shows that I have 3 stones of 7mm size.

The

> > > > doctors describe them as silent stones. But I have increased

gas

> > > > problem and I don't know what is the reason.

> > >

> > > It could be the stones, that is definately one of the signs

> > > that something is not working well with the digestive system.

> > > I don't know how large 7mm is in inches, not good at metric

> > > conversion.

> > >

> > > >Can stones, if staying for a long time in gb, cause cancer.

> > >

> > > My medical doctor said it is very rare...sorry you had a friend

> > > that experienced this, but it is rare...happens in the presence

> > > of stones more than not, but still, it is very rare.

> > >

> > > > Please also suggest a short cleansing procedure with the most

> > minimum

> > > > quantities of olive oil and lemon juice and apple juice.

What is

> > > > this epsom salt. Is it ordinary salt ?

> > >

> > > Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...you can get them in

> > > a drug store or that section of a super market very

> > > inexpensively. The best way

> > > to do the flush is the way described in links to curezone on

these

> > > emails, I describe what I did (and will be doing again this

Friday

> > > night)...there are other ways, but the flush with epsoms,

> > > fresh grapefruit juice, olive oil ingredients has always worked

> > > best for most, I think.

> > >

> > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> > > http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

> Gas problem

> The gas problem I mentioned to you, I met in this connection with a

> Professor of Medicine, who told me that this is not due to stones.

> But it is due to the reason that I have developed a fatty lever. I

> am overweight and trying to reduce it. My weight has recently gone

> upto 100 kgs from 80kgs. Ultrasound also showed that I have a fatty

> lever. Do you have an idea what is a fatty lever and what harm it

> can do. This question I forgot to ask the Professor.

If you go to http://www.google.com and type in Fatty Liver it will take

you to many sites that explain the condition. A liver flush would be

helpful for this condition, and there are helpful herbal combinations

and supplements for ongoing cleansing and rebuilding of liver in

general. The liver is such an important organ, and the only one that

regenerates itself. Losing a lot of weight can affect the metabolism

so that it produces gallstones in some cases.

> Negative side effect

> From this I did not mean apparent side effect. What I mean effects

> in the internal body system e.g. to kidneys, lever, spleen and colons

> etc.etc. Don't you think items like epsom salt, extra virgin olive

> oil and juices in big quantities can do any serious harm to the

> digestive system.

They suggest that if you have kidney disease, you should avoid using

Epsom Salts, but other than that, I don't know of any problems from

any of the other things listed. I find that only good is done by doing this

cleanse. You are giving your intestinal tract a good cleaning out, sometimes

you will see strands of mucous (sorry, yucky, I know) but this is

getting cleaned out of the small intestine, I believe, and think how

much better nutrients will be absorbed without that mucous. Then of

course there is getting rid of those stones and clearing out the liver

so that it can filter the blood of toxins and the many other jobs the liver

does so well even better. So no, so much good and no harm is done.

It takes great stress off the body and digestive system, you even feel

more relaxed when you are good and clean.

> Dried figs

>

> One of my friends who had serious pains due to gall stones, who used

> to be hospitalized to get relief from this pain, did not go for

> operation. Rather, he took a prescription from a book of using dried

> figs. The methods is that six dried figs should be soaked in milk

> for about 5 minutes and then figs should be eaten empty stomach in

> the morning. In a matter of six months, he has no pains and now has

> been eating quite fatty meals, but he does have pain.

I have heard of this, but thought it was for Parasites??? Am I wrong

about that? Don't think it is a cleanse for the gallbladder, but it

sounds like something I might like to try to get rid of parasites!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

raw figs are better than dried figs. bitter things like eggplant, grape

skin, apple cider vinegar. sometimes acid foods like grapefruit. or if your

pancreas were working properly and the pancreatic duct was free of blockage,

the pancreatic enzymes would also destroy worms.

but these things and even the antihelminths are really not where it's at.

the best thing to get rid of parasites is to find the correct cleansing

diet, and/or cleanse that will strip away the putrefied waste from the

intestinal wall. you can take antihelminths all day long, but the worms are

trapped inside the impacted waste. another thing is that worms arent really

so bad for you. yes its horrible to think that they are living there, but

thats more of a social programming issue.

as you pass the old waste matter from your intestines, the worms will die

off of their own accord, and you wont have to do much else. fresh pineapple

juice is one of the best things to kill off the big ones.

destroying the parasites is a much easier task than cleansing the intestines

of impaction

getting rid of amalgams(properly)is also a beneficial thing you can do to

improve intestinal flora which will in turn affect parasites.

[Guest guest]

Yes, figs have multi-purpose advantages. They clean the system very

well of parasites and remove constipation. At least in 2-3 cases, I

have observed they got rid of gb stones problem by continuously using

it. You can imagine the killing pain of the person due to gall

stones, who has been relieved of it with the help of figs.

Regarding using epsom salt, some people use only olive oil and fresh

lemon juice for cleansing. They don't use epsom salt. What is your

opinion ? Which juice is more helpful lemon, grapfruit or apple.

Can you mention minimum quantities of these items for cleansing ?

> > Gas problem

> > The gas problem I mentioned to you, I met in this connection with

a

> > Professor of Medicine, who told me that this is not due to stones.

> > But it is due to the reason that I have developed a fatty lever.

I

> > am overweight and trying to reduce it. My weight has recently

gone

> > upto 100 kgs from 80kgs. Ultrasound also showed that I have a

fatty

> > lever. Do you have an idea what is a fatty lever and what harm it

> > can do. This question I forgot to ask the Professor.

>

> If you go to http://www.google.com and type in Fatty Liver it will

take

> you to many sites that explain the condition. A liver flush would

be

> helpful for this condition, and there are helpful herbal

combinations

> and supplements for ongoing cleansing and rebuilding of liver in

> general. The liver is such an important organ, and the only one

that

> regenerates itself. Losing a lot of weight can affect the

metabolism

> so that it produces gallstones in some cases.

>

> > Negative side effect

> > From this I did not mean apparent side effect. What I mean

effects

> > in the internal body system e.g. to kidneys, lever, spleen and

colons

> > etc.etc. Don't you think items like epsom salt, extra virgin

olive

> > oil and juices in big quantities can do any serious harm to the

> > digestive system.

>

> They suggest that if you have kidney disease, you should avoid using

> Epsom Salts, but other than that, I don't know of any problems from

> any of the other things listed. I find that only good is done by

doing this

> cleanse. You are giving your intestinal tract a good cleaning out,

sometimes

> you will see strands of mucous (sorry, yucky, I know) but this is

> getting cleaned out of the small intestine, I believe, and think how

> much better nutrients will be absorbed without that mucous. Then of

> course there is getting rid of those stones and clearing out the

liver

> so that it can filter the blood of toxins and the many other jobs

the liver

> does so well even better. So no, so much good and no harm is done.

> It takes great stress off the body and digestive system, you even

feel

> more relaxed when you are good and clean.

>

> > Dried figs

> >

> > One of my friends who had serious pains due to gall stones, who

used

> > to be hospitalized to get relief from this pain, did not go for

> > operation. Rather, he took a prescription from a book of using

dried

> > figs. The methods is that six dried figs should be soaked in milk

> > for about 5 minutes and then figs should be eaten empty stomach in

> > the morning. In a matter of six months, he has no pains and now

has

> > been eating quite fatty meals, but he does have pain.

>

> I have heard of this, but thought it was for Parasites??? Am I wrong

> about that? Don't think it is a cleanse for the gallbladder, but it

> sounds like something I might like to try to get rid of parasites!

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

> but these things and even the antihelminths are really not where it's at.

> the best thing to get rid of parasites is to find the correct cleansing

> diet, and/or cleanse that will strip away the putrefied waste from the

> intestinal wall.

Thanks for the parasite info, and I agree with you there. I understand

most parasites reside in the small intestine, so have tried Marshmallow/

Pepsin combo at times to loosen and get rid of mucous on the lining

of the small intestine. I have work to do there still.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

> Regarding using epsom salt, some people use only olive oil and fresh

> lemon juice for cleansing. They don't use epsom salt. What is your

> opinion ? Which juice is more helpful lemon, grapfruit or apple.

> Can you mention minimum quantities of these items for cleansing ?

Thanks for info on the figs. Epsoms salts relax the ducts, makes

a big difference for me, an easier flush. Also, cleans out the digestive

tract so it is " open " and ready to accept whatever is quickly

expelled from the gallbladder. Apple Juice contains Malic Acid,

helps stimulate bile flow and softens stones, I also think it may

help move some that are in the liver into the gallbladder as it

stimulates flow. It is used in preparation for the flush. Lemon

juice is cleansing, can be used first thing in morning 1/2 hour

before eating for that purpose. Grapefruit Juice tastes the best

and has affect on fat metabolism...I am still reading up on all that

Grapefruit does...think it inhibits metabolism of fats.

The link in my signature lines below

will give you what I do with amounts, there are also links that

are helpful that are automatically added to these emails.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

it is not necessarily true that most reside in the small intestine. you wont

know where they are until you actually get them out. logically i would think

that less are in the small intestine because it is a more acid environment

than the large intestine, but logic hardly works well in this realm where no

one knows the whole truth. i also think that they serve a useful purpose,

whereas i used to villify them. once i got them all out, and my health did

not improve, i realized that they obviously were not the cause of my health

problems, but rather a result. there are all sorts of correlations in this

alternative health biz, and many people make assumptions as to what is

causing what. but the truth is that they are just correlations, and no one

really knows what causes what.

i didn't go into detail as to how to get them out in the last post. the best

way i found so far is following the primal diet as outlined by aajonus

vonderplanitz. it is also one of the most difficult things i have found as

well. nothing i've found compares to this for cleaning your intestines. i

won't go into it here because i'm not an expert, i only did it for a year

and a half. but you can find more info in his book or on the primaldiet

list. i was producing enormous evacuations daily of old material. it didnt

stop in over a year. im sure i would have to do it for at least a few more

years to fully clean out my intestines, if not a decade or so. the whole

notion of 'a colon cleanse' is absurd once you get into this whole thing.

people are kidding themselves by taking some herbs and psyllium. im sure

pepsin will do some good, i've read of some good results. but can you take

it for an extended period of time ????

after a year and a half on it, all the acupressure meridians on my feet

healed up and felt really nice and soft, where i had tension and pain for

many years in these points. it was a similar feeling to the loosening of the

shoulders after a succesful liver flush.

i think the two of these therapies together would be about as powerful as

anything i've encountered. i'm a chicken though and i want to find an easy

way.

probably there arent any humans on this planet with clean insides.

[Guest guest]

what i meant was A colon cleanse is absurd. a single one or even ten or

twenty.

i think i posted on how to obtain more info. you can read aajonus

vonderplanitz's book and or join the primaldiet list and learn as much as

you can there. it's a very long and involved subject, and i'm not an expert

just someone who did it for a while and realized how toxic people are.

the liver and gall bladder are important to clear out, but your whole body

is full of waste, bone marrow, colons, lungs, spleen, spine. everything. we

were born into filth inside filthy wombs. sorry, but this is the truth.

aajonus is the only person i have met that has an understanding of the depth

of toxicity that most of us bear. i think it is a lifelong task to undo the

damage, if even it can be achieved in a lifetime

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , " aluckower " <aluckower@n...>

wrote:

" The whole notion of 'a colon cleanse' is absurd once you get into

this whole thing. People are kidding themselves by taking some herbs

and psyllium. "

I wonder if you could take a few minutes and elaborate on this

comment that i read in your post. So is this suggesting that the

herbs and psyllium are a waste of time and money? And why is the

notion of a " colon cleanse " absurd? Please I would like to hear your

comments

MissMouthy

[Guest guest]

> I have gone through your links. I don't find any gb

> flush formula. Only I found liver flush and some

> medicine has been suggested in that, not olive

> oil/lemon juice or empsom salt.

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html

This link has picture of some of my stones at top, then

page down for description of flush that I did. It is

similar but I used grapefruit, not lemon juice.

Take care,