Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 What is this test all about? Have never heard about it? It may be something good. [ ] NAVARRO TEST Does anyone know or can anyone explain why the type of test that is called the Navarro test is not done in the US? It seems silly that you have to send your urine sample to the ines and that there is only one doctor who does it. Is it possibly done here in the US under a different name> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Urine Immunoassay (Navarro test) Efren F. Navarro, M.D. (Faculty of Medicine and Surgery, University of Santo Tomas) Navarro Medical Clinic 3553 Sining Street Morningsdide Terrace Santa Mesa, Manila 1016 Philippines 847-359-3634; 011-632-714-7442 efnavmed@... www.cancercontrolsociety.com/Navarro.htm www.cancercontrolsociety.com/ccsgreenback.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 It is done in the Philippines because only Dr. Navarro holds a patent to it. I think there is now someone doing it here in US but according to the 2005 Newsletter of Cancer-Free, the US version is not as good. =================== ****************************** Cancer Success Forum Launches ****************************** Karon Beattie, the principal author of the Natural Cancer Treatments e-books, has joined me in an effort to get you a place to get questions answered, post comments about your own treatment and, generally, communicate with other cancer patients. We call it the Cancer Success Forum. You will find it at: http://www.CancerSuccessForum.com Take a look at it. You need to read the brief " Rules. " Then, click on the " Discussion Forum " link and see if there are any topics which interest you. If not, start a new topic. Someone -- Karon or me or some other Forum member -- will get you an answer. I think you'll like this new way of communicating. Try it and see. ============================================ ************************************ Update on Navarro Urine Cancer Test ************************************ Before you read this next article, you might want to go and take a look at a couple of articles in my February 8th, 2005 newsletter. They were on " Navarro Urine Cancer Test " and " Foundation for Advancement of Cancer Therapy (FACT). " To read these articles, just go to: http://www.Beating-Cancer-Gently.com/nl75.html There are some new developments regarding testing for your level of cancer using a urine sample. First, I had a discussion about the " Navarro Urine Cancer Test " with Dr. Kindness, the owner of the lab in Cincinnati, Ohio which does this test. He told me they had modified the way the test was done by Dr. Navarro and his son in the Philippines. He said that the Navarros did not take into account the volume of the urine sample, which he claimed was important. Instead of a single number indicating the level of human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG), Dr. Kindness' lab is reporting to the patient the " HCG per mg of creatanine. " He said this was necessary to standardize the results. The problem with this, of course, is that it does not give the patient the ability to measure the effectiveness of his/her treatment by comparing the trend in the HCG from one test to the next. I ordered a test kit from Dr. Kindness' lab and received it a couple of days ago. It asks the patient to submit a bottle of morning urine (10 - 90 ml) by Fed Ex in a sterile urine cup. They furnish the cup with the kit, along with a plastic bag to ship it in and a Fed Ex envelope. The cost, which is not reimburseable by Medicare, is $60. No doctor's prescription or other information on diagnosis, etc. is required. According to one of my readers in New York, it takes about 2 1/2 weeks to get the results. ....THE REST OF THE STORY... Because the information I gave you on this in February came from Ruth Sackman, the founder of FACT, I gave Ruth a call. As I expected, she had a somewhat different view. Ruth is a unique lady. She will turn 90 in September. She has more acumen than most people I have met, regardless of age. Ruth and her husband founded FACT in the early 70's and she has been counseling cancer patients about natural healing ever since on a non-profit basis. A friend of mine, Ed van Overloop, was kind enough to send me an audio tape of a talk she gave to his cancer support group in New Jersey in January this year. She is, indeed, a unique lady! Ruth and I had an interesting conversation. Ruth has been instructing people about sending urine samples to Dr. Navarro's lab in the Philippines for over 30 years. Last year, she located Dr. Kindness and his lab in Ohio and got him to agree to do the test the same way Dr. Navarro (and now his son) had done it. She said that Dr. Kindness did not stick to his agreement about the test. He modified the way he was presenting the results and, thereby, lost the value of the test, as mentioned above. The principle value of this test is that it shows you a clear trend. Once you get the second and third tests (about 6-8 weeks apart) you know if what you have been doing to treat your cancer is working. Dr. Kindness' method did not do that. Ruth has been recommending for a couple of months that her people order their tests from Dr. Navarro in The Philippines rather than from Dr. Kindness' lab in Ohio. Ruth sent me the instructions on how to get the HCG test done by Dr. Navarro's lab. I'm going to put those instructions AT THE END of this newsletter -- as part of the text, not an attachment. The cost for the test is $50 US Dollars. Again, no doctor's prescription is required. Compare this to the AMAS blood test (covered in my book) which costs $135 plus shipping and requires a doctor's prescription. Also, the urine test is more accurate than the AMAS test. You send the $50 to a U.S. address and then include a Xerox copy of the money order or cashier's check in the package you send to Manila in The Philippines. Global Priority Mail takes about 5-6 days to get there and costs about $5.50. You will usually get the results back in about 7 days IF you send them your e-mail address along with the urine sample. If you use regular mail, it takes anywhere from 6 weeks to forever. Fed Ex costs over $47. What you send them is not a bottle of urine, but a dry packet of the sediment. The text at the end of this newsletter explains exactly how to do that. It's not hard. I've done it a couple of times. Ruth and her small staff are still counseling cancer patients. They are available from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM (Eastern Time) weekdays at (212) 741-2790. > > Does anyone know or can anyone explain why the type of test that is called the Navarro test is not done in the US? It seems silly that you have to send your urine sample to the ines and that there is only one doctor who does it. Is it possibly done here in the US under a different name> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 There have been much heralded tests before and much controversy about them. For example the AMAS has its own share of 'false positives' and f'alse negatives and one false negative for me personally. I have heard, on this list, criticism of the Navarro test but have no personal knowledge regarding it. Additionally, even well-established tests do not always result in 100% accuracy. Some of the most acceptable tests have 90+% accuracy but that leaves a lot of room for error. For sure one cannot rely upon a test to determine whether or not they have cancer be it a CT-Scan or some other. They are tools to be used in conjunction with other diagnostic means. Hopefully others can report on their experiences. Joe C. From: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: [ ] Re: NAVARRO TEST It is done in the Philippines because only Dr. Navarro holds a patent to it. I think there is now someone doing it here in US but according to the 2005 Newsletter of Cancer-Free, the US version is not as good. =================== ****************************** Cancer Success Forum Launches ****************************** Karon Beattie, the principal author of the Natural Cancer Treatments e-books, has joined me in an effort to get you a place to get questions answered, post comments about your own treatment and, generally, communicate with other cancer patients. We call it the Cancer Success Forum. You will find it at: http://www.CancerSuccessForum.com Take a look at it. You need to read the brief " Rules. " Then, click on the " Discussion Forum " link and see if there are any topics which interest you. If not, start a new topic. Someone -- Karon or me or some other Forum member -- will get you an answer. I think you'll like this new way of communicating. Try it and see. ============================================ ************************************ Update on Navarro Urine Cancer Test ************************************ Before you read this next article, you might want to go and take a look at a couple of articles in my February 8th, 2005 newsletter. They were on " Navarro Urine Cancer Test " and " Foundation for Advancement of Cancer Therapy (FACT). " To read these articles, just go to: http://www.Beating-Cancer-Gently.com/nl75.html There are some new developments regarding testing for your level of cancer using a urine sample. First, I had a discussion about the " Navarro Urine Cancer Test " with Dr. Kindness, the owner of the lab in Cincinnati, Ohio which does this test. He told me they had modified the way the test was done by Dr. Navarro and his son in the Philippines. He said that the Navarros did not take into account the volume of the urine sample, which he claimed was important. Instead of a single number indicating the level of human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG), Dr. Kindness' lab is reporting to the patient the " HCG per mg of creatanine. " He said this was necessary to standardize the results. The problem with this, of course, is that it does not give the patient the ability to measure the effectiveness of his/her treatment by comparing the trend in the HCG from one test to the next. I ordered a test kit from Dr. Kindness' lab and received it a couple of days ago. It asks the patient to submit a bottle of morning urine (10 - 90 ml) by Fed Ex in a sterile urine cup. They furnish the cup with the kit, along with a plastic bag to ship it in and a Fed Ex envelope. The cost, which is not reimburseable by Medicare, is $60. No doctor's prescription or other information on diagnosis, etc. is required. According to one of my readers in New York, it takes about 2 1/2 weeks to get the results. ....THE REST OF THE STORY... Because the information I gave you on this in February came from Ruth Sackman, the founder of FACT, I gave Ruth a call. As I expected, she had a somewhat different view. Ruth is a unique lady. She will turn 90 in September. She has more acumen than most people I have met, regardless of age. Ruth and her husband founded FACT in the early 70's and she has been counseling cancer patients about natural healing ever since on a non-profit basis. A friend of mine, Ed van Overloop, was kind enough to send me an audio tape of a talk she gave to his cancer support group in New Jersey in January this year. She is, indeed, a unique lady! Ruth and I had an interesting conversation. Ruth has been instructing people about sending urine samples to Dr. Navarro's lab in the Philippines for over 30 years. Last year, she located Dr. Kindness and his lab in Ohio and got him to agree to do the test the same way Dr. Navarro (and now his son) had done it. She said that Dr. Kindness did not stick to his agreement about the test. He modified the way he was presenting the results and, thereby, lost the value of the test, as mentioned above. The principle value of this test is that it shows you a clear trend. Once you get the second and third tests (about 6-8 weeks apart) you know if what you have been doing to treat your cancer is working. Dr. Kindness' method did not do that. Ruth has been recommending for a couple of months that her people order their tests from Dr. Navarro in The Philippines rather than from Dr. Kindness' lab in Ohio. Ruth sent me the instructions on how to get the HCG test done by Dr. Navarro's lab. I'm going to put those instructions AT THE END of this newsletter -- as part of the text, not an attachment. The cost for the test is $50 US Dollars. Again, no doctor's prescription is required. Compare this to the AMAS blood test (covered in my book) which costs $135 plus shipping and requires a doctor's prescription. Also, the urine test is more accurate than the AMAS test. You send the $50 to a U.S. address and then include a Xerox copy of the money order or cashier's check in the package you send to Manila in The Philippines. Global Priority Mail takes about 5-6 days to get there and costs about $5.50. You will usually get the results back in about 7 days IF you send them your e-mail address along with the urine sample. If you use regular mail, it takes anywhere from 6 weeks to forever. Fed Ex costs over $47. What you send them is not a bottle of urine, but a dry packet of the sediment. The text at the end of this newsletter explains exactly how to do that. It's not hard. I've done it a couple of times. Ruth and her small staff are still counseling cancer patients. They are available from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM (Eastern Time) weekdays at (212) 741-2790. > > Does anyone know or can anyone explain why the type of test that is called the Navarro test is not done in the US? It seems silly that you have to send your urine sample to the ines and that there is only one doctor who does it. Is it possibly done here in the US under a different name> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Joe is absolutely correct. In my case, the AMAS proved to be a very valuable tool in that even after tumor removal, one month of chemo and about 3 months of natural treatment the AMAS came back on the low side of high and showed that I still had a lot of cancer cells floating around. After 5 more months of natural treatment I tested again and my numbers were normal and continued to be for several years after. Now, I use serum testing yearly to monitor. All lab test result sheets, for tumor markers, state the following: Regardless of value, should not be interpreted as absolute evidence of the presence or absence of disease. Lab testing provides its value in monitoring the disease by the rise/fall of the marker numbers, not necessarily in diagnosing. In my opinion it is always best to have a base line before any type of treatment in order to have a plumb-line to measure against with future testing. Using the same lab every time is also important. And, as Joe said, no test -- None -- is infallible, even biopsies since they must be " interpretted. " Below is part of an email that was sent from Dr. Navarro to a forum member on the FO/CC group. Index-----Units-----Interpretation 1----------0--------- No cancer 2-------1 - 49--------Doubtful 3-------50-400--------Faintly Positive 4-------401-999-------Definitely Positive 5-------1,000-3,000---Moderatley Positive >10,000 is Excessively Positive His (Navarro's) comment: " The test cannot determine the stage or the severity of the disease. However, when done serially, say once a month, one can monitor the progress of the condition. Of course if it goes up , one can surmise that the condition is worsening. It is important to always correlate the result with the clinical condition. " I take this to mean that the test isfairly quantitative but not exact, and a lower number is better. Be Well Dr.L -----Original Message----- There have been much heralded tests before and much controversy about them. For example the AMAS has its own share of 'false positives' and f'alse negatives and one false negative for me personally. I have heard, on this list, criticism of the Navarro test but have no personal knowledge regarding it. Additionally, even well-established tests do not always result in 100% accuracy. Some of the most acceptable tests have 90+% accuracy but that leaves a lot of room for error. For sure one cannot rely upon a test to determine whether or not they have cancer be it a CT-Scan or some other. They are tools to be used in conjunction with other diagnostic means. Hopefully others can report on their experiences. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 What is HCG? I don't mean what do the letters stand for, I mean what is it and/or what is it used for or what does one do with it? Thanks Nili [ ] Re: NAVARRO TEST Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Urine Immunoassay (Navarro test) Efren F. Navarro, M.D. (Faculty of Medicine and Surgery, University of Santo Tomas) Navarro Medical Clinic 3553 Sining Street Morningsdide Terrace Santa Mesa, Manila 1016 Philippines 847-359-3634; 011-632-714-7442 efnavmed@... www.cancercontrolsociety.com/Navarro.htm www.cancercontrolsociety.com/ccsgreenback.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Tumor markers? MRIs? That's what I use ... xoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 'Tests' are regularly discussed on this list and the conclusion sometimes gets to a simple fact and that is, not all tests are accurate all the time and some have too many False Negatives and or False Positives. Even the CT-Scan is not perfect and remember, there is the human element involved which is, Interpretation of results. At any given point, anything could be 'opinion' and therein is the problem with diagnosis. However, we have no option other than continuing testing. 's recent post opened my eyes. To forgo a CT-Scan because of its potential when trying to determine whether certain cancers exist might be foolish. I've repeated this many times, so please don't doze off with the following. Back in the early 50s, a Veterans Administration Radiologist warned me thus: " You have already had your life's share of X-rays " ..........and by then I had loads of G.I. Series as well as Fluoroscopy exams. That had me around age 21-24. When did I develop observable cancer? Age 70! Where? In the bladder, the area included in the G.I. Series. Perhaps those exams had nothing to do with Bladder Cancer so here we are, afraid of a CT-Scan or an X-Ray that most likely could not produce cancer for years to come.........if ever. Then again we do not know what this exposure to already damaged organs can result in. After 's post I am going to re-consider the need for exams and yes, seek the least dangerous and also, when deemed appropriate because we do need to know what is going on to properly approach how to deal with it. Cancer does not always respond to Alternative treatments without some help and that is probably because in most cases, the body alone cannot heal itself without some outside help. Note I am saying " probably " , " might " and " perhaps " because I am only giving an opinion based upon what I believe about Cancer. It might be time to put aside Navarro for conventional testing of some sort to establish where you are at and use unconventional testing for monitoring when one believes they are in Remission or 'cured' as others prefer to use. Joe C. From: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: [ ] Navarro Test I would like any thoughts on my results with my Navarro test. I am trying to work out if this test did not work for me or not. To explain. I was diagnosed in Aug 09 with angiosarcoma. Had CT in Aug and then surgery. No mets showed up on scan. I did a Navarro test Sept 09 and my results were 54. I did another test 4 months later and it was 53. I did another 8 weeks later it was 53 (I started noticing a possible reoccurance) and another 6 weeks later at 53. I was getting increasingly worried that I had another sarcoma growing but my numbers were steady 53. Strange! Decided to have a CT scan to make sure there were no other tumours and doctors just told me that I have multiple tumours in my spleen and liver and two on my chest. Why did my Navarro number drop down one and then stay the same?? Is it because the type of cancer I have? Is it because the mets were already there when I did my first test and I have been just keeping it under control? There has definitely been growth though. It's so frustrating because sarcomas can't be tracked by your usual tumour markers ect. How do I track my disease to see how my new protocol is working if my Navarro numbers seem out of wack? And with out getting a CT done every 3 months. Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 tumour markers don't work for my type. MRI is impossible to get on the NHS (nationalised medicine in england). I probably won't even be able to get CT's done as I turned down chemo and radiation so no one is technically treating me. I am thinking maybe ultra sound for just checking size of tumours. Anyone done that? It should be able to detect them in the liver and spleen I would imagine. I guess I would have to pay for one of those or twist my GP's arm. natalie > > Tumor markers? MRIs? That's what I use ... > > xoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi Kim, I've been using the Navarro test and when I have questions, the staff or Dr. Navarro himself has always been quick to respond. _________________________ Moderator: Navarro website - Interpretation of readings: http://www.navarromedicalclinic.com/Interpretation.php _________________________________________________ From: Garth & Kim <gartht@...> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:38:19 Greetings, I have a question, just for curiosity. What is the highest number the test can come back at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.