Re: Combining several protocols (Ray)

[Guest guest]

Ray

Did you make your tea from the pills? If not what then? Source?

Joe

>

> Hi candy, sorry for what you have to go though. The active

> compound in Pawpaw is acetogenins. it works on the ATP of

> the cell. I tried the pills but it didnt work too well. when

> I went on the tea, I had the worst case of exspolive

> diarrhea I ever seen but it seem to worked well.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum and finding it very interesting to read all this very

valuable information from people. Thanks to you all for expressing your

thoughts. Does anyone have any experience with Ovarian Cancer (something which

worked for someone). Bill Handerson in his book " Cancer free " puts great

emphasis on Budwig's diet which is completely natural (flax seed oil + cottage

cheese) and there has been some emphasis on essiac tea as well.

Any reason why these are not being discussed as potent cancer fighting

alternatives on this forum. If you know of anything better for ovarian cancer,

please suggest.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

There is a specific forum for the Budwig FOCC. I use FOCC and the rest of the

protocol mentioned in Bill's book for breast cancer as well as additional

vitamins, minerals, ubiquinol, curcumin, and had a good report from the Navarro

clinic.

[Guest guest]

Jim:

My wife has ovarian cancer. We did the shotgun approach. My wife started out

with the cottage cheese and flax but our present alternative doctor told her to

stop. The reason he gave is that the cottage cheese is a milk product and the

flax depletes the body of animal omega 3. My wife now is doing a diet for her

blood type, far infrared sauna, juicing using a blender, probiotics, enzymes,

stress reduction, rebounding, selenium, detoxing, and a slew of

supplements. When my wife was undergoing chemo and her cancer markers began to

go up, we were doing the cottage cheese and flax at the time. I than began to

seek out another alternate doctor and put out a call for help to everyone I

knew.   The new alternate doctor ( I went to 3 before I found one that

I felt

was knowledgeable)  told my wife to take 5,000 mgs of a special vitamin C,

5,000

units of fish oil, juice with dark green veggies and a antioxidant like

blueberries, and add ginger root to the juice as well as Dr. Mercola's fiber

harmony which has a prebiotic. The psyllium husks block some sugar absorption.

 In addition she was told to take mega doses of probiotics, 160 billion per

day,

along with bringing her vitamin D level up to near 100. The next blood test her

cancer markers fell to normal and have been good for almost a year. I know

everyone is different and the budwig diet works for many, but it was not working

for my wife. We have since fine tuned her protocol to include human grade

diatomaceous earth, (Perma Guard) to kill parasites and remove yeast from the

intestines, and wheat grass to boost the blood counts. We also included many

suggestions from the good people on this list. I did run them by our alternate

doctor and he agreed.

Vic

________________________________

From: Jimmy Shergill <link2jimmy@...>

Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 7:48:49 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Combining several protocols (Ray)

 

Hi all,

I am new to this forum and finding it very interesting to read all this very

valuable information from people. Thanks to you all for expressing your

thoughts. Does anyone have any experience with Ovarian Cancer (something which

worked for someone). Bill Handerson in his book " Cancer free " puts great

emphasis on Budwig's diet which is completely natural (flax seed oil + cottage

cheese) and there has been some emphasis on essiac tea as well.

Any reason why these are not being discussed as potent cancer fighting

alternatives on this forum. If you know of anything better for ovarian cancer,

please suggest.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Hi Victor,

Best of luck to you and your wife.

I have found that most trained Naturopaths are going to tell us to stay away

from Budwig because of the dairy. It's one of the things they learn in school,

and it's a one size fits all thing to them. But you said your wife did chemo

and Budwig? I don't think Budwig is appropriate for those doing chemo at the

same time. So, I wouldn't blame the failure on Budwig.

However, I'm very happy that her current treatment plan is working.

ar

>

> Jim:

>

> My wife has ovarian cancer. We did the shotgun approach. My wife started out

> with the cottage cheese and flax but our present alternative doctor told her

to

> stop. The reason he gave is that the cottage cheese is a milk product and the

> flax depletes the body of animal omega 3. My wife now is doing a diet for her

> blood type, far infrared sauna, juicing using a blender, probiotics, enzymes,

> stress reduction, rebounding, selenium, detoxing, and a slew of

> supplements. When my wife was undergoing chemo and her cancer markers began

to

> go up, we were doing the cottage cheese and flax at the time. I than

began to

> seek out another alternate doctor and put out a call for help to everyone I

> knew.   The new alternate doctor ( I went to 3 before I found one that

I felt

> was knowledgeable)  told my wife to take 5,000 mgs of a special vitamin C,

5,000

> units of fish oil, juice with dark green veggies and a antioxidant like

> blueberries, and add ginger root to the juice as well as Dr. Mercola's fiber

> harmony which has a prebiotic. The psyllium husks block some sugar

absorption.

>  In addition she was told to take mega doses of probiotics, 160 billion per

day,

> along with bringing her vitamin D level up to near 100. The next blood test

her

> cancer markers fell to normal and have been good for almost a year. I know

> everyone is different and the budwig diet works for many, but it was not

working

> for my wife. We have since fine tuned her protocol to include human grade

> diatomaceous earth, (Perma Guard) to kill parasites and remove yeast from

the

> intestines, and wheat grass to boost the blood counts. We also included many

> suggestions from the good people on this list. I did run them by our alternate

> doctor and he agreed.

>

>

> Vic

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Jimmy Shergill <link2jimmy@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 7:48:49 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Combining several protocols (Ray)

>

>  

> Hi all,

>

> I am new to this forum and finding it very interesting to read all this very

> valuable information from people. Thanks to you all for expressing your

> thoughts. Does anyone have any experience with Ovarian Cancer (something which

> worked for someone). Bill Handerson in his book " Cancer free " puts great

> emphasis on Budwig's diet which is completely natural (flax seed oil + cottage

> cheese) and there has been some emphasis on essiac tea as well.

>

> Any reason why these are not being discussed as potent cancer fighting

> alternatives on this forum. If you know of anything better for ovarian cancer,

> please suggest.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ar:

The alternate gave my wife 3 plans. One to do during chemo to prevent damage and

to enhance the chemo, another to detox for one year, and then a life plan. The

fact that flax depletes the animal omega 3 makes sense to me as it is animal

omega 3 that is needed in the fight against cancer. Dairy gets a bad rap as it

contains hormones and antibiotics. Antibiotics will damage the gut flora, the

heart of the immune system, which fights every disease.  I feel un pasteurized

orgainic grass fed dairy would be better if it was possible to get. Some folks

need to keep hormones in check with certain types of cancer.  Our alternate is

not a natural path but a doctor of nutrition who worked at The Cancer Treatment

Centers of America and treated thousand of cancer patients. The bugwig diet

would seem to me to be more of a one size fits all and may not be appropriate

for those with hormone sensitive cancers, I would think. Of couse if some thing

is working one should not change. But if it is not, than change is needed.

Vic 

________________________________

From: asb_grant <arlynsg@...>

Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 5:34:11 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Combining several protocols (Ray)

 

Hi Victor,

Best of luck to you and your wife.

I have found that most trained Naturopaths are going to tell us to stay away

from Budwig because of the dairy. It's one of the things they learn in school,

and it's a one size fits all thing to them. But you said your wife did chemo and

Budwig? I don't think Budwig is appropriate for those doing chemo at the same

time. So, I wouldn't blame the failure on Budwig.

However, I'm very happy that her current treatment plan is working.

ar

>

> Jim:

>

> My wife has ovarian cancer. We did the shotgun approach. My wife started out

> with the cottage cheese and flax but our present alternative doctor told her

to

>

> stop. The reason he gave is that the cottage cheese is a milk product and the

> flax depletes the body of animal omega 3. My wife now is doing a diet for her

> blood type, far infrared sauna, juicing using a blender, probiotics, enzymes,

> stress reduction, rebounding, selenium, detoxing, and a slew of

> supplements. When my wife was undergoing chemo and her cancer markers

began

>to

>

> go up, we were doing the cottage cheese and flax at the time. I than

began to

>

> seek out another alternate doctor and put out a call for help to everyone I

> knew.   The new alternate doctor ( I went to 3 before I found one

that

>I felt

>

> was knowledgeable)  told my wife to take 5,000 mgs of a special vitamin

C,

>5,000

>

> units of fish oil, juice with dark green veggies and a antioxidant like

> blueberries, and add ginger root to the juice as well as Dr. Mercola's fiber

> harmony which has a prebiotic. The psyllium husks block some sugar

absorption.

>

>  In addition she was told to take mega doses of probiotics, 160 billion per

>day,

>

> along with bringing her vitamin D level up to near 100. The next blood test

her

>

> cancer markers fell to normal and have been good for almost a year. I

know

> everyone is different and the budwig diet works for many, but it was not

>working

>

> for my wife. We have since fine tuned her protocol to include human grade

> diatomaceous earth, (Perma Guard) to kill parasites and remove yeast

from the

>

> intestines, and wheat grass to boost the blood counts. We also

included many

> suggestions from the good people on this list. I did run them by our alternate

> doctor and he agreed.

>

>

> Vic

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Jimmy Shergill <link2jimmy@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 7:48:49 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Combining several protocols (Ray)

>

>  

> Hi all,

>

> I am new to this forum and finding it very interesting to read all this very

> valuable information from people. Thanks to you all for expressing your

> thoughts. Does anyone have any experience with Ovarian Cancer (something which

> worked for someone). Bill Handerson in his book " Cancer free " puts great

> emphasis on Budwig's diet which is completely natural (flax seed oil + cottage

> cheese) and there has been some emphasis on essiac tea as well.

>

> Any reason why these are not being discussed as potent cancer fighting

> alternatives on this forum. If you know of anything better for ovarian cancer,

> please suggest.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Victor,

Oh, very interesting! I love the 3 plan idea. I had never heard that about

flax, so I'm not sure what to think.

I had a hormone sensitive cancer and have wondered if Budwig would work for me.

I like the Budwig mixture itself as a " rebuilding " food/medicine. But I cannot

eat that much dairy without feeling ill. I gave it 8 weeks and finally had to

give up.

I think you said something very important - if it isn't working, change. This

is something that concerns me about Naturopaths (glad you're doctor isn't one).

They are so married to their point of view, that I see them NOT advising failing

patients to change the protocol.

ar

>

> Ar:

>

> The alternate gave my wife 3 plans. One to do during chemo to prevent damage

and

> to enhance the chemo, another to detox for one year, and then a life plan. The

> fact that flax depletes the animal omega 3 makes sense to me as it is animal

> omega 3 that is needed in the fight against cancer. Dairy gets a bad rap as it

> contains hormones and antibiotics. Antibiotics will damage the gut flora, the

> heart of the immune system, which fights every disease.  I feel un

pasteurized

> orgainic grass fed dairy would be better if it was possible to get. Some folks

> need to keep hormones in check with certain types of cancer.  Our alternate

is

> not a natural path but a doctor of nutrition who worked at The Cancer

Treatment

> Centers of America and treated thousand of cancer patients. The bugwig diet

> would seem to me to be more of a one size fits all and may not be

appropriate

> for those with hormone sensitive cancers, I would think. Of couse if some

thing

> is working one should not change. But if it is not, than change is needed.

>

>

> Vic 

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I do believe that how our food is raised means as much as what we eat,

provided that none of it is commercially processed. While being a

farmer means that most supplements are out of my budget, farmer does

equal broke all the time, it also means that I eat better than almost

everyone. I would need a really fat paycheck to buy what we raise and

trade for.

Dairy and red meat are big ticket items, if they are 100% grass fed, on

natural pasture with no antibiotics, hormones or vaccinations. And if

the dairy is raw, which is the good stuff. I can understand these items

getting a bad rap, when talking about factory products, but not the good

stuff that is less than one percent of the production in this country.

I tried cutting the red meat and dairy out of my diet, my blood sugar

soared and my tumors started to grow again. I went back to my good meat

and dairy, my blood sugar is back down and I am far more comfortable. I

won't do that again.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

AR

Yes the doctor also said not to do a strict vegetarian diet as the plant vitamin

B12 will also deplete the animal B12. So she can have meat a few times per week.

 But!! since meat depletes the proteolytic enzymes in the body she is to take

these after the stomach empties to replace them. It is thought that the

proteolytic enzymes break down the cell wall of cancer so the immune system can

deal with it. Supposedly the best enzymes for this are those that contain Forte.

In addition she has to add a few things to her diet as her blood type does not

recognize cancer very well. In addition she was told to avoid certain things

like soy, MSG, bad carbs and sugars. Supposedly with these diet changes the

immune system will recognize the cancer better. He tailored a diet plan for her

to follow for her blood type and those of her parents.

Vic 

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Victor,

Just stay on top of it!

Diet did not protect me from developing hormone positive breast cancer.

Granted, my raw food vegetarian diet was being eaten to gain health and not to

fight cancer, but I've learned to not trust diet stuff.

ar

>

> AR

>

> Yes the doctor also said not to do a strict vegetarian diet as the plant

vitamin

> B12 will also deplete the animal B12. So she can have meat a few times per

week.

>  But!! since meat depletes the proteolytic enzymes in the body she is to take

> these after the stomach empties to replace them. It is thought that the

> proteolytic enzymes break down the cell wall of cancer so the immune system

can

> deal with it. Supposedly the best enzymes for this are those that contain

Forte.

>

> In addition she has to add a few things to her diet as her blood type does not

> recognize cancer very well. In addition she was told to avoid certain things

> like soy, MSG, bad carbs and sugars. Supposedly with these diet changes the

> immune system will recognize the cancer better. He tailored a diet plan for

her

> to follow for her blood type and those of her parents.

>

>

> Vic 

[Guest guest]

Ar:

I mentioned diet as being part of my wife's treatment. Everyone is different and

I believe one has to address the causes. Low vitamin D, a bad stress in life,

holding in anger, lack of direct sun light, family history, bad diet,

anitbiotics, vaccines, meds, dirty electric, gut flora, and so on. I would

imagine the cause for everyone to be different and one needs to take a step back

and try to figure these out and correct them. If these mearsures are not taken

then I believe no treatment is going to work on a long term because the cause

was not addressed. There are measures that can be taken to correct hormones. I

do not know much about these but avoiding soy and things heated in plastic are a

few. As far as diet goes it should be tailored to each individual. Not everyone

does well with a one size fits all diet. The veggie diet may not be the diet

needed for your blood or body type.

Vic

________________________________

From: asb_grant <arlynsg@...>

Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011

 

Hi Victor,

Just stay on top of it!

Diet did not protect me from developing hormone positive breast cancer. Granted,

my raw food vegetarian diet was being eaten to gain health and not to fight

cancer, but I've learned to not trust diet stuff.

ar