Re: update on SCC treatment

[Guest guest]

You surely are going to write the book on overcoming the side effects of

radiation and chemo! Glad things are going well for you. You talk about the

medical people being so 'entrained' to the extent that they DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!

This is truly extraordinary. I have a theory that doctors are essentially

brain-washed (in the same way that some cults brain wash their adherents with

sleeplessness and peer pressure.) Any comments on that?

Chamberlain

www.fightingcancer.com

[Guest guest]

can you elaborate?

In a message dated 2/12/2010 4:11:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

vgammill@... writes:

I told him I make my own vaccine

[Guest guest]

How absolutely fabulous, . I've been reading your results for some time

now and this is the best so far, IMO. I feel so bad for the oncologists and

radiologist...it's like their minds cannot wrap around anything other than their

slash and burn methods. Here they have you as proof that other methods work and

even enhance what they're doing but they do not want to hear about it. It's also

worth remembering if they do want to go along with something out of their norm

it mean their job. HI feel if they truly cared they'd check into anything and

everything that works and as they say in my neck of the woods...the proof is in

the pudding.

Best regards,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

The brain washing part is kinda true. My son decided not to go to med school

(that may be subject to change as he is feeling guilty) I get so mad at drs and

he said it is not fair as they only know what they are taught and no way are

they going to be taught alternative treatments. Even naturopaths who are taught

and licensed do not really know what works and what doesn't as it still falls

under some govt guidelines as to what they are allowed to do.

Cheri

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> You surely are going to write the book on overcoming the side effects of

radiation and chemo! Glad things are going well for you. You talk about the

medical people being so 'entrained' to the extent that they DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!

This is truly extraordinary. I have a theory that doctors are essentially

brain-washed (in the same way that some cults brain wash their adherents with

sleeplessness and peer pressure.) Any comments on that?

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> Chamberlain

> www.fightingcancer.com

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[Guest guest]

, it would be really interesting if, at some point in this process, you

had an opportunity to ask these doctors why they " don't want to know " what

you're doing that is working so well.  If we truly believe that the doctors want

to help their patients and want them to get better, I'd be very interested in

hearing their explanations about their reluctance to know what is working for

you, that they might be able to share that information to save other patients

from unnecessary stress and discomfort.

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> You surely are going to write the book on overcoming the side effects of

radiation and chemo! Glad things are going well for you. You talk about the

medical people being so 'entrained' to the extent that they DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!

This is truly extraordinary. I have a theory that doctors are essentially

brain-washed (in the same way that some cults brain wash their adherents with

sleeplessness and peer pressure.) Any comments on that?

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[Guest guest]

There is a legal case reported in the San Diego Union Tribune, Feb

12, 2010 of a physician in s, Texas, Dr. Rolando Arafiles,

whose nurse reported him to the Texas Medical Board because he,

" ...improperly encouraged patients to buy herbal medicines and wanted

to use hospital supplies to perform a procedure at a patient's

home. " State investigators found several medical procedure

violations by Arafiles.

Based on the newspaper report he sounds like a doc who was looking

out after the best interest of his patients. This threatens the

reigning profiteering paradigm. In the US medicine has become as

polarized as political and religious wedge issues. Any physician can

tell you horror stories about other docs who lost their licenses or

reputations when they expanded their practice into the world of

alternatives. Physicians have economic and social stability if and

only if they don't rock the boat. Most conversations I have with

physicians are as stilted as if there are invisible medical-industry

and hospital administration prosecutors in the room ready to pounce.

Under the circumstances physicians are almost unnecessary middlemen

when it comes to treating chronic disease. They could simply have

pharmaceutical company reps, hospital accountants, and health

insurers directly order treatments. Physicians who treat chronic

diseases are largely stooges, toadies, and agents of these

institutions. Their only function is to paint a facade of

professionalism on this battle royale for your money.

At 04:53 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:

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>, it would be really interesting if, at some point in this

>process, you had an opportunity to ask these doctors why they " don't

>want to know " what you're doing that is working so well. If we

>truly believe that the doctors want to help their patients and want

>them to get better, I'd be very interested in hearing their

>explanations about their reluctance to know what is working for you,

>that they might be able to share that information to save other

>patients from unnecessary stress and discomfort.

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[Guest guest]

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I agree with all that you wrote, nontheless I think there's an additional aspect

to the whole issue, and it is psychological.

Here in israel things are not as bad as you describe them to be in the USA.

several of the big hospitals even established oncological CAM sections, where a

cancer patient can get treatment in disiplinaries such as acupuncture, herbal

medicine (mostly adaptogens), visual imagery, psychotherapy massage therapy etc

These hospitals are no dummies. They know the extent cancer patients have been

using CAM in recent years and have decided as a matter of strategy to jump on

the wagon.

well...you think this would made doctors here, and especially oncologists, more

open to natural oncology, but it DOES NOT.

Most oncologist scorn it, and some are even down right arrogant as to tell their

patients to not take any herbs or supplements when they are getting chemo or

radiation.

a doctor things of himself as someone who represents a guild of people who are

all dealing with science, a called evidence based profession. They invest many

years and quite a lot of money in their early years to get a license that gives

them authority to treat people in ways that were " proven " to be " effective " .

Along with that, unfortunately, comes the inflated ego that so many doctors

have.

When we look specifically at oncologists, now here's a group of doctors who are,

in my opinion, especially miserable.

Many areas of modern medicine have made such great advanced and leaps in the

last 30-40 years. Oncology, on the other hand

has fallen so much behind. appart from several monoclonal antibodies that were

invented, and which extand survival in what can be measured in several months

only, nothing really dramatic have changed in the field on oncology in all these

years. same old chemo drugs, same old toxicity, same unresolved drug resistance,

and same gloomy bottom line results.

Now, when an alternative practitioner or a patient comes to an oncologist and

shows him in their face that they managed to either cure themselves from cancer

or dramatically improve their condition with the use of alternative measures,

what do you thing it does to our big ego oncologist? I think it puts him in such

a strong and extremely dissonance. In order to resolve their dissonance and

protect themselves, this oncologist will dismiss it as placebo or spontaneous

remission.

if they don't resort to this pitiful dissonance resolution, their beliefs and

the big ego they have developed all these years will come crashing down on

him...

How sad...

my friend, i'm elated to see you making such great improvements in your

condition...keep it up. we are all here for you...

[Guest guest]

I should make it a habit to proofread my posts )

Re: [ ] Re: update on SCC treatment

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I agree with all that you wrote, nontheless I think there's an additional

aspect to the whole issue, and it is psychological.

Here in israel things are not as bad as you describe them to be in the USA.

several of the big hospitals even established oncological CAM sections, where

a cancer patient can get treatment in disiplinaries such as acupuncture, herbal

medicine (mostly adaptogens), visual imagery, psychotherapy massage therapy etc

These hospitals are no dummies. They know the extent cancer patients have been

using CAM in recent years and have decided as a matter of strategy to jump on

the wagon.

well...you think this would made doctors here, and especially oncologists,

more open to natural oncology, but it DOES NOT.

Most oncologist scorn it, and some are even down right arrogant as to tell

their patients to not take any herbs or supplements when they are getting chemo

or radiation.

a doctor things of himself as someone who represents a guild of people who are

all dealing with science, a called evidence based profession. They invest many

years and quite a lot of money in their early years to get a license that gives

them authority to treat people in ways that were " proven " to be " effective " .

Along with that, unfortunately, comes the inflated ego that so many doctors

have.

When we look specifically at oncologists, now here's a group of doctors who

are, in my opinion, especially miserable.

Many areas of modern medicine have made such great advanced and leaps in the

last 30-40 years. Oncology, on the other hand

has fallen so much behind. appart from several monoclonal antibodies that were

invented, and which extand survival in what can be measured in several months

only, nothing really dramatic have changed in the field on oncology in all these

years. same old chemo drugs, same old toxicity, same unresolved drug resistance,

and same gloomy bottom line results.

Now, when an alternative practitioner or a patient comes to an oncologist and

shows him in their face that they managed to either cure themselves from cancer

or dramatically improve their condition with the use of alternative measures,

what do you thing it does to our big ego oncologist? I think it puts him in such

a strong and extremely dissonance. In order to resolve their dissonance and

protect themselves, this oncologist will dismiss it as placebo or spontaneous

remission.

if they don't resort to this pitiful dissonance resolution, their beliefs and

the big ego they have developed all these years will come crashing down on

him...

How sad...

my friend, i'm elated to see you making such great improvements in

your condition...keep it up. we are all here for you...

[Guest guest]

This is so true I use only Alternative treatrments to treat my advanced

prostrate cancer, But  I still get tested by my doctor, and  he knows Im doing

well  (and he remembers I use to have prostate bone metastasis,) but he told me

he cant talk to me about the alternative treatments Im on, as he is not alowed

to, you know some times  some times I just feel so alone with this, it just

wrong, take care  Ray   

[Guest guest]

Most large American Cancer Centers such as Memorial Sloan Kettering also now

have CAM departments. I think they do this so as not " lose business " but the

CAM departments, in my opinion, are a joke.

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From: Gubi

I should make it a habit to proofread my posts )

----- Original Message -----

From: Gubi

,

I agree with all that you wrote, nontheless I think there's an additional

aspect to the whole issue, and it is psychological.

Here in israel things are not as bad as you describe them to be in the USA.

several of the big hospitals even established oncological CAM sections, where

a cancer patient can get treatment in disiplinaries such as acupuncture, herbal

medicine (mostly adaptogens), visual imagery, psychotherapy massage therapy etc

These hospitals are no dummies. They know the extent cancer patients have been

using CAM in recent years and have decided as a matter of strategy to jump on

the wagon.

well...you think this would made doctors here, and especially oncologists,

more open to natural oncology, but it DOES NOT.

Most oncologist scorn it, and some are even down right arrogant as to tell

their patients to not take any herbs or supplements when they are getting chemo

or radiation.

a doctor things of himself as someone who represents a guild of people who are

all dealing with science, a called evidence based profession. They invest many

years and quite a lot of money in their early years to get a license that gives

them authority to treat people in ways that were " proven " to be " effective " .

Along with that, unfortunately, comes the inflated ego that so many doctors

have.

When we look specifically at oncologists, now here's a group of doctors who

are, in my opinion, especially miserable.

Many areas of modern medicine have made such great advanced and leaps in the

last 30-40 years. Oncology, on the other hand

has fallen so much behind. appart from several monoclonal antibodies that were

invented, and which extand survival in what can be measured in several months

only, nothing really dramatic have changed in the field on oncology in all these

years. same old chemo drugs, same old toxicity, same unresolved drug resistance,

and same gloomy bottom line results.

Now, when an alternative practitioner or a patient comes to an oncologist and

shows him in their face that they managed to either cure themselves from cancer

or dramatically improve their condition with the use of alternative measures,

what do you thing it does to our big ego oncologist? I think it puts him in such

a strong and extremely dissonance. In order to resolve their dissonance and

protect themselves, this oncologist will dismiss it as placebo or spontaneous

remission.

if they don't resort to this pitiful dissonance resolution, their beliefs and

the big ego they have developed all these years will come crashing down on

him...

How sad...

my friend, i'm elated to see you making such great improvements in

your condition...keep it up. we are all here for you...

[Guest guest]

Here's a post I recently sent to a number of my contacts and which is related to

the Moss report on Hyperthermia and many of the comments recently posted:

http://www.cancerdecisions.com/content/view/393/2/lang,english/

The above link again demonstrates Western Medicine's, especially that of

American Oncologists, hesitancy to learn what works and what doesn't.

Just because one may not have cancer is no reason to ignore these regular

reports on Cancer and Alternative measures. Cancer will strike someone you

know and that is fact. Why not be informed so you may ask the right questions?

For example when my Urologist wanted to use a particular Chemotherapy and I

responded, I researched that and it isn't effective........... he answered,

" you're right " . That was the end of that conversation and the subject never

came up again.

It is seemingly evident that Western Medicine is not looking for cures but

rather status quo. In fact, the link above demonstrates to me that they

probably do this because of the sacred cash-cows, Chemotherapy and Radiation.

Hyperthermia is often used alone in Alternative circles but as you will see, not

in Conventional circles. Nothing 'Alternative' gets approved for trial unless

accompanied by current 'Standard of care' which is the 'approved' methodology in

use at the time. The worst part about trials is that they often use 'flawed'

procedures and then when the trial fails, use it to suppress the Alternative

method.

My Urologist, for example as is the case with practically everyone that uses

Alternative measures to combat cancer, does not want to know what I do and has

never asked a question even though I am doing well after almost eight years. I

do not believe, for one moment, that cancer cannot rear its ugly head again and

that is what all cancer victims face. However, except for protecting the

Cash-Cow doctors thrive on, wouldn't you, if you were a physician and one that

took the Hippocratic Oath, want to know what might be working? They dare not

because their leadership not only frowns on it, their leadership would squash

them like a bug. My Urologist did say, however, and it must have been a weak

moment, " I don't know what you are doing or what I am doing is working " .

That's about it! His office does not even advise patients to use a Vitamin

Protocol that the nation's leading Urologist, according to my doctor, uses in

conjunction with current practices. When I asked why, he simply shrugged his

shoulder and said, " they haven't proven it " . So a simple vitamin addition is

avoided because he claims " it wasn't proven " . ????

The often acknowledged leading Urologist believes it is efficacious and while I

used it, and another person I know uses it, and has done well, means nothing.

This other person was getting regularly developing bladder tumors, 3 and 4 at a

time until he used the Vitamin Protocol, with The Standard of Care, and still

most would not use the protocol. It doesn't really amaze me because the

theory of The Cash Cow and that of surgery supersedes the well-being of

patients. Hard to swallow? No pun intended but keep thinking and eventually

you will come to the same conclusion.

Just imagine if a goodly percentage of Urology patients did well after just a

couple of visits instead of quite a few visits with many leading to surgery?

Case closed! Is that the answer? I recognize that with some professionals,

besides fear of the establishment, there is a lot of ignorance and brainwashing

going on and they simply follow the crowd. In any event Hyperthermia is alive

and well in Europe and seems to offer a lot more hope than Conventional methods

alone. Might this be the case with Alternative and Hyperthermia?

Surely it would be.

Joe C.

From: Randall Crossley

This is so true I use only Alternative treatrments to treat my advanced

prostrate cancer, But I still get tested by my doctor, and he knows Im doing

well (and he remembers I use to have prostate bone metastasis,) but he told me

he cant talk to me about the alternative treatments Im on, as he is not alowed

to, you know some times some times I just feel so alone with this, it just

wrong, take care Ray

[Guest guest]

, just want to add my voice again to the chorus of well wishers and

members of your support group. While I don't contribute frequently I am

conscious daily of your struggle and pulling for you with all my heart.

My neighbor has colorectal cancer and has been sentenced to all three, surgery,

chemo and daily treatments of radiation. I took him some Vitamin D3 drops to

help but his doctor forbade him to take them. Like Gubi said, they won't even

acknowledge the benefit of natural supplemental help.

I agree that you should write about your experience, when you are well and able,

and blow the lid off this insidious coverup of alternative medical success. One

of these days someone will break through the resistance... hopefully it may be

you.

Don't ever give up.

Marji