EFAs

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara!

You wrote:

<<Do all of you supplement with EFAs? If so, which ones and how much? I have

never used them and am considering them. I eat tons of tuna and the EAS

helpline said if I eat a serving of tuna each day, I shouldn't need EFAs.

The guy at the health food store said tuna wouldn't do it - it needed to be

salmon or another cold water fish. One of my fitness magazines this month

said tuna WOULD do it!!!! I'm confused, to say the least. I certainly

don't want to add 2-3 tablespoons of fat daily if I'm already getting enough

with the fish I eat.>>

Isn't it annoying when everyone is saying something different than everyone

else? Especially when what we want is simple information about such important

matters as eating nutritiously! :-)

I will restrict myself to my own experience in answering your question.

My own diet varies in how much healthy fat my whole foods will contain. Some

days, and some weeks, I eat more fish that contains healthy fat, than others.

Still, rather than making my life excessively complex and confusing, I do

supplement with EFAs daily to make sure that I'm getting enough. On some

days, this means that I'm getting somewhat more in the way of EFAs than

others. To summarize: my supplementation remains quite steady, but my whole

food EFAs fluctuate a bit.

Also to avoid getting my nutritional life too chaotic, I don't spend lots of

time counting calories. I prefer the simplicity of the Body-for-LIFE portion

rules. Nevertheless, I have done a simple, " once-over " caloric analysis, to

make sure that my overall caloric intake is about what it should be, given

the portion sizes I use. (I determined what I needed with the help of the

resources at the Hussman unofficial support site, " Why the Body-for-LIFE

Program Works, " at www.hussman.com/eas.)

Using this approach, I remain confident that my total caloric intake is on

target, even on those days that my EFA intake is a bit higher than the

minimum necessary.

In this manner, my wife and I have continued to meet our goals with fat loss.

I think it's important to remember that EFAs are healthy fats that support

positive actions in the body, including the burning away of unhealthy fat. So

it's not as though consuming slightly more than the minimum required will

dynamite your progress. The key is to maintain healthy balance overall. In

this case, you need to make certain that your total caloric intake is still

within reason.

In any event, this issue is not something worth losing sleep over. :-)

Following the advice given in the book will ensure that you consume the

healthy fats that you need in the simplest manner. If you want to get a

little fancy, you can add an oil supplement, such as Udo's Choice, which at

different times Bill and EAS writers have recommended.

Another one that I like was recommended by my doctor. It doesn't contain

quite the variety of healthy fats that Udo's Choice does, but it is a bit

cheaper per serving. And it's of high quality. This one is called Spectrum

Essentials Veg Omega 3 Cold Pressed Organic High Lignan Flax Oil.

In addition to offering the benefits of healthy fat, supplements such as

these are potent antioxidants high in Vitamin E. I find Spectrum Essentials

and Udo's Choice in the same refrigerator at my local health food store.

You also asked how much one takes. My doctor recommends one tablespoon per

100 lbs. of bodyweight, which resembles the recommendations on the labels and

in literature written by Bill and EAS (I'm thinking of the Sports

Supplement Review 3rd Edition and the recently created Fitness Guide from

EAS, both of which I believe can be downloaded in PDF form from the EAS Web

site).

I hope you find this more helpful than confusing, and I wish you the best in

pursuing your goals.

[Guest guest]

,

I found it very helpful...thanks!

Sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/00 9:52:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,

jfloyd123@... writes:

<< -

I've had the best luck with the Omega 3-6-9

combination - I use the one sold by Immune Support.

Good luck - Jennie >>

What is it called?

[Guest guest]

-

I've had the best luck with the Omega 3-6-9

combination - I use the one sold by Immune Support.

Good luck - Jennie

--- on <jamesinspace@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I have just switched from taking Efalex (3caps

> provide

> 48mg GLA from evening primrose oil, 21mg AA, and 240

> DHA from tuna oil) to BioCare Mega EPA (270 EPA and

> 210 DHA) I feel a bit worse, colder, and think that

> it

> is due to this switch. I have read that fish oil is

> supposed to help circulation, however, below Dr

> Simpson recommends evening primrose oil (EPO) to

> improve RBC flexability and hence micro-circulation.

>

> What is it about the EPO that helps, is it simply

> the

> GLA and if so are other sources of GLA such as

> borage

> oil as effective. I believe that Dr Teitlebaum

> recommends borage but others don't seem to like it

> so

> much, any ideas why? Also what about balancing

> omega

> 3's to 6's, I felt that I would be getting plenty of

> 6's from my diet, that is why I decided to

> supplement

> only 3's, when they run out I will try Efamol EPO,

> do

> you think that I should also take 3's with this?

>

>

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> Jerry wrote:

>

> I am already taking 1g/day each of borage (omega-6)

> and flax (omega-3) oils. That I was this far out of

> nrmal range even taking the oils is somewhat

> surprising - makes me wonder where I would be

> without

> the oils. I amm upping my borage/evening primrose

> consumption to seee if I feel better, but that will

> take 6 weeks to tell.

>

> Dr Simpsons recommended protocol:

>

> Where there are increased flat cells, or cells with

> surface changes or

> altered margins, evening primrose oil may provide

> benefit. Because a

> 1980 study by the NZ Institute of Chemistry showed

> that many oils

> sold as primrose oil were spurious I recommend

> either

> Efamol or EPO.

> Those under 50 whould take 8 X 500mg capsules with

> food (3,2,3) - daily

> while the over-50s should take 9 capsules daily.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Just Omega 3-6-9 - the ProHealth brand.

--- lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/00 9:52:19 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> jfloyd123@... writes:

>

> << -

> I've had the best luck with the Omega 3-6-9

> combination - I use the one sold by Immune Support.

>

> Good luck - Jennie >>

>

>

> What is it called?

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

>Does anyone know what enzyme is necessary to break down GLAs? I get so

>achy

>from all of the essential fatty acids that I can't take at all.

I can't find the name of it, but there are is an enzyme that adds a 2-carbon

unit to the end of both GLA and ALA (extendase?); and another that

unsaturates the remaining position to form arachidonic acid, which is a

precursor for leukotrienes and prostaglandins. Both of these are involved in

inflammation reactions.

Some of their other actions include effects on blood pressure, and smooth

muscle contraction (especially uterus - menstrual cramps - and gut).

It seems logical to me that you could have a higher than normal conversion

of EFAs to prostaglandins & leukotrienes - so any time you supplemented EFAs

you would increase leukotrienes and prostaglandins enough to cause

generalized inflammation symptoms. If that is the case, maybe taking an

aspirin or two with the EFA supplement would help, since aspirin inhibits

prostaglandin formation.

Cortisone also blocks prostaglandin synthesis, but I would not suggest that

anyone try that on their own, or at any dose higher than about 10mg/day.

(NOTE: the classic dosepak for cortisone starts at 24mg for 1st day - the

one time i did that I crashed bigtime.)

Jerry

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Jerry,

I think the names of the enzymes you're alluding to are elongase and

delta 5 desaturase. And I like your hypothesis for .

Rich

> Hi, ,

>

> >Does anyone know what enzyme is necessary to break down GLAs? I

get so

> >achy

> >from all of the essential fatty acids that I can't take at all.

>

> I can't find the name of it, but there are is an enzyme that adds a

2-carbon

> unit to the end of both GLA and ALA (extendase?); and another that

> unsaturates the remaining position to form arachidonic acid, which

is a

> precursor for leukotrienes and prostaglandins. Both of these are

involved in

> inflammation reactions.

> Some of their other actions include effects on blood pressure, and

smooth

> muscle contraction (especially uterus - menstrual cramps - and gut).

> It seems logical to me that you could have a higher than normal

conversion

> of EFAs to prostaglandins & leukotrienes - so any time you

supplemented EFAs

> you would increase leukotrienes and prostaglandins enough to cause

> generalized inflammation symptoms. If that is the case, maybe taking

an

> aspirin or two with the EFA supplement would help, since aspirin

inhibits

> prostaglandin formation.

> Cortisone also blocks prostaglandin synthesis, but I would not

suggest that

> anyone try that on their own, or at any dose higher than about

10mg/day.

> (NOTE: the classic dosepak for cortisone starts at 24mg for 1st day

- the

> one time i did that I crashed bigtime.)

>

> Jerry

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Rich and Jerry - So, the thing then is that CFS *caused* this

reaction, my inability to take in EFAs? And then, what would be better,

all? Taking EFAs and supplementing with aspirin (still one of my mainstays

for alleviating almost all my symptoms when they occur) *or* just not taking

any EFAs? So far, I have avoided them. Is there a way I could supplement

with these enzymes? First on my list to my doc tomorrw.

> Jerry,

>

> I think the names of the enzymes you're alluding to are elongase and

> delta 5 desaturase. And I like your hypothesis for .

>

> Rich

> > Hi, ,

> >

> > >Does anyone know what enzyme is necessary to break down GLAs? I

> get so

> > >achy

> > >from all of the essential fatty acids that I can't take at all.

> >

> > I can't find the name of it, but there are is an enzyme that adds a

> 2-carbon

> > unit to the end of both GLA and ALA (extendase?); and another that

> > unsaturates the remaining position to form arachidonic acid, which

> is a

> > precursor for leukotrienes and prostaglandins. Both of these are

> involved in

> > inflammation reactions.

> > Some of their other actions include effects on blood pressure, and

> smooth

> > muscle contraction (especially uterus - menstrual cramps - and gut).

> > It seems logical to me that you could have a higher than normal

> conversion

> > of EFAs to prostaglandins & leukotrienes - so any time you

> supplemented EFAs

> > you would increase leukotrienes and prostaglandins enough to cause

> > generalized inflammation symptoms. If that is the case, maybe taking

> an

> > aspirin or two with the EFA supplement would help, since aspirin

> inhibits

> > prostaglandin formation.

> > Cortisone also blocks prostaglandin synthesis, but I would not

> suggest that

> > anyone try that on their own, or at any dose higher than about

> 10mg/day.

> > (NOTE: the classic dosepak for cortisone starts at 24mg for 1st day

> - the

> > one time i did that I crashed bigtime.)

> >

> > Jerry

[Guest guest]

Dear Obie,

There are two beneficial Omega 3 fatty acids in fish. They are EPA and DHA.

They come from cold water fish (trout, salmon, mackerel, sardines, tuna,

eels),

and brown and red algae.

Generally, we get a lot of Omega 6, but little Omega 3 in our diets.

You should have a balance of these.

Udo Erasmus says on page 316 of " Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill " :

20% of all calories to be in the form of fresh, unrefined oils.

One-third of that should be Omega 6

One-fifth of that should be Omega 3

The closest oil to this ratio is hemp oil.

Udo's Ultimate Oil Blend has several different oils blended together

to achieve the optimum ratio. Good stuff.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

> So I'm opening a can of pink Salmon to make some little patties for dinner

and there on the side of the can it says " The small amount of bones and skin

are completely edible and a source of calcium and Omega-3 fatty acids " .

Strange, it didn't say anything about Omega-6 or Omega-9 fatty acids, nor

about any balance. Do you think fish have -6 and -9 fatty acids also; in

addition to -3? Is there a balance that we should attempt to keep as we're

taking in these oils? Can we get too much of one in relation to another or

both; kinda terrible, not knowing little things like this. Obie.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please add FLAXSEED oil to that small list of EFA.... essential fatty

acids. My son does well on it.

mjh

In a message dated 5/21/02 8:55:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kblanco@... writes:

>

> EFAs

>

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> The Nutri-Spec researchers have determined that epilepsy is almost always

> due to what they refer to as an anaerobic imbalance. Therefore, it is

> greatly aggravated by too much Vitamin B1, sterol-rich foods (butter, eggs)

> & corticosteroids. Convulsions are decreased by essential fatty acids, such

> as are found in foods like fish and olive oil (avoid the other vegetable

> oils, although coconut oil is probably OK).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Post, ND, LMT

> keithp@...

> http://www.pcez.com/~keithp

>

> " Argue for your limitations and they're yours. "

> from " Illusions " by Bach

>

>

[Guest guest]

EFAs

Hi Kathy,

The Nutri-Spec researchers have determined that epilepsy is almost always due to

what they refer to as an anaerobic imbalance. Therefore, it is greatly

aggravated by too much Vitamin B1, sterol-rich foods (butter, eggs) &

corticosteroids. Convulsions are decreased by essential fatty acids, such as are

found in foods like fish and olive oil (avoid the other vegetable oils, although

coconut oil is probably OK).

Hope this helps.

Post, ND, LMT

keithp@...

http://www.pcez.com/~keithp

" Argue for your limitations and they're yours. "

from " Illusions " by Bach

[Guest guest]

mjh

Can you give me some more information on the Flaxseed Oil? I have been

hearing about different people using it, right now I have my son on Coromega

which is only an omega 3 fatty acid.

Thank for the help

take care

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This is very interesting! I noted that if I give my daughter seperate B

Vitamins, ie. B6 (P-5P), B12 and Folic Acid she responds well, but when

I give her a B-Complex capsule she becomes very tired and sleepy. So

this means it could be the B1? Someone in this group also mentioned

that acethylcholine aggravates her seizures. Acethylcholine comes from

B5 (it helps transform choline into acetylcholine in the brain). Any

thoughts on this?

Thanks.

Lorinda

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 02:55 , wrote:

>

> EFAs

>

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> The Nutri-Spec researchers have determined that epilepsy is almost

> always due to what they refer to as an anaerobic imbalance. Therefore,

> it is greatly aggravated by too much Vitamin B1, sterol-rich foods

> (butter, eggs) & corticosteroids. Convulsions are decreased by

> essential fatty acids, such as are found in foods like fish and olive

> oil (avoid the other vegetable oils, although coconut oil is probably

> OK).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Post, ND, LMT

> keithp@...

> http://www.pcez.com/~keithp

>

> " Argue for your limitations and they're yours. "

>            from  " Illusions " by Bach

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Which foods contain EFAs? In addition to coconut oil I'm using extra virgin

olive oil and butter.

Thanks,

Judy

kwawracz <kwawracz@...> wrote:

Same with me. I have gained 20 lbs since started VCO

3 years ago and that's cutting out all other oils and

eating NO processed foods, just grass-fed beef, eggs,

chicken and veggies (no grains or sugar).

--- " k. u. " <blinky5@...> wrote:

If you cut out all other oils except coconut then you are

not getting your EFA's and that alone will cause weight gain.

Check it out we need good oils in our diets.

HTH

Kathann

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[Guest guest]

check out the omega oils. there's tons of research on them. I'd atleast add

some good fish oils. Good Luck.

Kathann

Re: EFAs

Hi,

Which foods contain EFAs? In addition to coconut oil I'm using extra virgin

olive oil and butter.

Thanks,

Judy

kwawracz <kwawracz@...> wrote:

Same with me. I have gained 20 lbs since started VCO

3 years ago and that's cutting out all other oils and

eating NO processed foods, just grass-fed beef, eggs,

chicken and veggies (no grains or sugar).

--- " k. u. " <blinky5@...> wrote:

If you cut out all other oils except coconut then you are

not getting your EFA's and that alone will cause weight gain.

Check it out we need good oils in our diets.

HTH

Kathann

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathann!!!

Judy

kwawracz <kwawracz@...> wrote:

check out the omega oils. there's tons of research on them. I'd atleast add

some good fish oils. Good Luck.

Kathann

Re: EFAs

Hi,

Which foods contain EFAs? In addition to coconut oil I'm using extra virgin

olive oil and butter.

Thanks,

Judy

kwawracz <kwawracz@...> wrote:

Same with me. I have gained 20 lbs since started VCO

3 years ago and that's cutting out all other oils and

eating NO processed foods, just grass-fed beef, eggs,

chicken and veggies (no grains or sugar).

--- " k. u. " <blinky5@...> wrote:

If you cut out all other oils except coconut then you are

not getting your EFA's and that alone will cause weight gain.

Check it out we need good oils in our diets.

HTH

Kathann

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[Guest guest]

On this subject, I think Bruce Fife's book, Saturated Fat Can Save Your

Life, is right on the money. I agree with him 100%. In a nutshell, he says

that Omega 3's should be obtained in the food from which they originally

come, and not as extracted oils. It's easy to get enough of them that way,

particularly if you are avoiding polyunsaturated oils and processed foods.

Omega 3's are found in these whole foods, among others: leafy green

vegetables, sea vegetables, fish, flax seeds, walnuts, hemp seed.

Nina

Re: Re: EFAs

check out the omega oils. there's tons of research on them. I'd atleast

add some good fish oils. Good Luck.

Kathann

Re: EFAs

Hi,

Which foods contain EFAs? In addition to coconut oil I'm using extra

virgin olive oil and butter.

Thanks,

Judy

[Guest guest]

I eat a lot of flaxseeds, green leafy veggies, and organic blue green algae

for my EFA's.

Carol

From: still dancing <dancingthedance@...>

Hi,

Which foods contain EFAs? In addition to coconut oil I'm using extra virgin

olive oil and butter.

Thanks, Judy

[Guest guest]

I try to eat the other foods, but fish is so contaminated. I feel

safer taking the capsules.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

Bruce Fife has a section on fish oils in his book on saturated fat. He doesn't

think they are a good idea. If you feel that way about fish - justifiably so -

you can get Omega 3's from many other whole-food plant-based sources.

Nina

Re: EFAs

I try to eat the other foods, but fish is so contaminated. I feel

safer taking the capsules.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

Carlson's brand of Cod Liver Oil is tested routinely

for contaminants and metals. They have very srtict

guidlines. I don't trust any other brands.

--- Nina Moliver <ninalynn@...> wrote:

> Bruce Fife has a section on fish oils in his book on

> saturated fat. He doesn't think they are a good

> idea. If you feel that way about fish - justifiably

> so - you can get Omega 3's from many other

> whole-food plant-based sources.

>

> Nina

>

> Re: EFAs

>

> I try to eat the other foods, but fish is so

> contaminated. I feel

> safer taking the capsules.

>

> Elaine

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

There is at least one reliable brand of Cod Liver Oil

that is closely and routinely checked for high

standards of purity: Carlson's. This is the ONLY brand

I trust. In my opinion, Carlson's CLO is too valuable

and important as a source of EFA's and Vitamins A & D;

I see no reason NOT to take it.

--- Nina Moliver <ninalynn@...> wrote:

> Bruce Fife has a section on fish oils in his book on

> saturated fat. He doesn't think they are a good

> idea. If you feel that way about fish - justifiably

> so - you can get Omega 3's from many other

> whole-food plant-based sources.

>

> Nina

>

> Re: EFAs

>

> I try to eat the other foods, but fish is so

> contaminated. I feel

> safer taking the capsules.

>

> Elaine

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree.... and I'd like to add that many people need DHA and EPA,

which are omega 3's found only in cold water fish. Children with

ADHD have been able to get off those horrible meds by supplementing

with fish/cod liver oils.

On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:58 AM, Henley wrote:

> There is at least one reliable brand of Cod Liver Oil

> that is closely and routinely checked for high

> standards of purity: Carlson's. This is the ONLY brand

> I trust. In my opinion, Carlson's CLO is too valuable

> and important as a source of EFA's and Vitamins A & D;

> I see no reason NOT to take it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The reason they are found in fish, is because fish eat algae which is

abundant in these nutrients. I skip the middle man (actually the middle

fish and go straight to the algae.

Carol

From: cathylynn2 <cathylynn2@...>

I agree.... and I'd like to add that many people need DHA and EPA,

which are omega 3's found only in cold water fish. Children with

ADHD have been able to get off those horrible meds by supplementing

with fish/cod liver oils.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 14/11/2005 14:49:06 GMT Standard Time, michael.browning@... writes:

am currently using Eye Q, but this contains a tiny proportion of these amounts! And most of the others, like Kirkmans and UDOs, seem to be the same.

>>>You need to take more of it. there is big one for the EPA, I think its called Omega Brite but only seen it in the US. Eye Q Nordic Naturals + Equazen Quarma. Some do Coromega whichis higher EPA but the flavours send some kids batty

HTH

Mandi in UK