Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 If the medical system continues to advance, one day Royal Rife will be acknowledged as one of histories greatest medical geniuses. In 1920 Royal Rife identified the human cancer virus using the worlds most powerful microscope (using a different design which he created), cultured the virus (on salted pork, the best growing medium), and injected it into rats. These injections caused cancer in every one of the rats (all 400 of them). Later he was able to find a frequency of electro-magnetic energy that would cause the cancer virus to self destruct when within that energy field. He created a device that emitted that energy field and was successful at destroying cancer viruses inside patients who were within 10 feet of the device. > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 If the medical system continues to advance, one day Royal Rife will be acknowledged as one of histories greatest medical geniuses. In 1920 Royal Rife identified the human cancer virus using the worlds most powerful microscope (using a different design which he created), cultured the virus (on salted pork, the best growing medium), and injected it into rats. These injections caused cancer in every one of the rats (all 400 of them). Later he was able to find a frequency of electro-magnetic energy that would cause the cancer virus to self destruct when within that energy field. He created a device that emitted that energy field and was successful at destroying cancer viruses inside patients who were within 10 feet of the device. > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 If the medical system continues to advance, one day Royal Rife will be acknowledged as one of histories greatest medical geniuses. In 1920 Royal Rife identified the human cancer virus using the worlds most powerful microscope (using a different design which he created), cultured the virus (on salted pork, the best growing medium), and injected it into rats. These injections caused cancer in every one of the rats (all 400 of them). Later he was able to find a frequency of electro-magnetic energy that would cause the cancer virus to self destruct when within that energy field. He created a device that emitted that energy field and was successful at destroying cancer viruses inside patients who were within 10 feet of the device. > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 apparemtly your about as amart as a box of rocks To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 apparemtly your about as amart as a box of rocks To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 apparemtly your about as amart as a box of rocks To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 you know people like you get in my skin i had carcinoma cancer at 28 and beat it with his technology so go hide under a tree and use kemo To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 you know people like you get in my skin i had carcinoma cancer at 28 and beat it with his technology so go hide under a tree and use kemo To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 (Moderator comment, part of message deleted due to language used) .... i am 45 now had cancer virus at 28 seventeen years ago ,,,,,,,,,,,, i am still alive was given 6 months to live To: Rife From: johnflaig@... Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rife & cancer Dion, Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 ....similar for a fungus. > RE: Rife & cancer > > Dion, > Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well > known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, > radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one > pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. > Dr. Flaig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 ....similar for a fungus. > RE: Rife & cancer > > Dion, > Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well > known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, > radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one > pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. > Dr. Flaig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. If you had read the above information, you would know that Rife conducted experiments in which he injected healthy rats with the cancer virus and the rats developed cancer. I do not know what kind of evidence would convince you of a strong correlation between the virus and cancer. I suspect that no evidence would convince you as you appear to have your mind made up. > > > It is not wise to view cancer as a cause and effect regarding pathogenic > infestations. Dr. Rife clearly demonstrated that there was a virus type of > an organism associated with cancer but it isn't wise to say that the virus > was the cause of the condition because it isn't. > > Cancer develops because of a failure of the lymphatic system to drain away > waste products of cellular metabolism. Cancer is the result of two > situations who, independently of each other are harmless. It is when these > two conditions meet up that cancer manifests itself. First the entire > circulatory system has been contaminated by foreign proteins most often as a > result of a compromised digestive tract that allowed seepage of food wastes > to exit the confines of the intestines and become drifting garbage > components in the humors (I define homors as the blood and lymph in this > example and nothing else) which triggers a subacute immune response. Very > mild systemic inflammation spreads throughout the body causing swelling of > the cells throughout and clogs numerous lymph channels causing a reduction > in lymph flow. The Detritis (physical trash) also can accumulate in various > areas causing congestion and further reducing lymph flow to the tissues > surrounding the mass accumulation of this biological garbage. As the oxygen > depletes, the tissues shift their metabolism from aerobic to an anaerobic > fermentation which produces a toxin excreted by newly formed fungi via the > pleomorphic processes. These organisms by digesting necrosed (dead) tissue > act as scavengers, the offspring of which Rife identified as a virus. So > while it is true that a viral form amongst others are always found in > malignancy, it is not sufficient to say that they were the cause of the > cancer because they clearly are not. What Rife failed to say was that the > rats were prepared biologically so that cancer could be induced into them, > in other words, the virus could transfer and take the disease along with it. > During his time, other researchers were breeding rats prone to cancer and > others were bread to be resistant to the disease in addition to other > factors establishing a tendency to develop the disease which was also > required to be present so as to freely induce it. > > Modern research is still looking for the illusive cootie and they will > never find it. If it existed, it would have been discovered long ago. It is > the condition of the terrain along with local tissue damage (irritatiion) > that produces a stoppage of the lymphatic flow and it is this condition that > is responsible for cancer, the virus is there not as its cause but as > Nature's scavenger. By flushing away the necrone produced by the cancer > digestive process, the disease can be stopped. Not unlike Simoncini and his > bicarbonate of soda treatment method, another doctor in the 1920s discovered > that a small stream of water had the same effect as chemo therapeutic drugs > they were experimenting with. By restoring lymph flow, cancer goes away on > its own. Tumors dissolve and homeostasis is restored. > > It is so unfortunate that people fail to believe that cancer was resolved > 100 years ago. I can assure you it was. I have the works of several doctors > that were routinely curing the condition. To them it wasn't a big deal. Our > medical system has been overcome by greed and the unnecessary suffering of > the masses isn't as important to the players as is the blood money they > derive from exploiting their patients. This is the real reason that we still > deal with cancer today. " The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything. " > Claude Bernard 1813-1878 > My latest ebook " Breast Cancer Cure " can be downloaded at > www.lulu.com/comdyne In the book is a summation of the cancer process in > the words of a doctor who understood it the best of all. > Extracted and transcribed from " Cancer " by Willy Meyer, MD 1931 This book > is one of the finest off all in my extensive collection. I may republish the > book in its entirety sometime in the future if the economy recovers. Carmi > Hazen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and > cancer: > > > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. If you had read the above information, you would know that Rife conducted experiments in which he injected healthy rats with the cancer virus and the rats developed cancer. I do not know what kind of evidence would convince you of a strong correlation between the virus and cancer. I suspect that no evidence would convince you as you appear to have your mind made up. > > > It is not wise to view cancer as a cause and effect regarding pathogenic > infestations. Dr. Rife clearly demonstrated that there was a virus type of > an organism associated with cancer but it isn't wise to say that the virus > was the cause of the condition because it isn't. > > Cancer develops because of a failure of the lymphatic system to drain away > waste products of cellular metabolism. Cancer is the result of two > situations who, independently of each other are harmless. It is when these > two conditions meet up that cancer manifests itself. First the entire > circulatory system has been contaminated by foreign proteins most often as a > result of a compromised digestive tract that allowed seepage of food wastes > to exit the confines of the intestines and become drifting garbage > components in the humors (I define homors as the blood and lymph in this > example and nothing else) which triggers a subacute immune response. Very > mild systemic inflammation spreads throughout the body causing swelling of > the cells throughout and clogs numerous lymph channels causing a reduction > in lymph flow. The Detritis (physical trash) also can accumulate in various > areas causing congestion and further reducing lymph flow to the tissues > surrounding the mass accumulation of this biological garbage. As the oxygen > depletes, the tissues shift their metabolism from aerobic to an anaerobic > fermentation which produces a toxin excreted by newly formed fungi via the > pleomorphic processes. These organisms by digesting necrosed (dead) tissue > act as scavengers, the offspring of which Rife identified as a virus. So > while it is true that a viral form amongst others are always found in > malignancy, it is not sufficient to say that they were the cause of the > cancer because they clearly are not. What Rife failed to say was that the > rats were prepared biologically so that cancer could be induced into them, > in other words, the virus could transfer and take the disease along with it. > During his time, other researchers were breeding rats prone to cancer and > others were bread to be resistant to the disease in addition to other > factors establishing a tendency to develop the disease which was also > required to be present so as to freely induce it. > > Modern research is still looking for the illusive cootie and they will > never find it. If it existed, it would have been discovered long ago. It is > the condition of the terrain along with local tissue damage (irritatiion) > that produces a stoppage of the lymphatic flow and it is this condition that > is responsible for cancer, the virus is there not as its cause but as > Nature's scavenger. By flushing away the necrone produced by the cancer > digestive process, the disease can be stopped. Not unlike Simoncini and his > bicarbonate of soda treatment method, another doctor in the 1920s discovered > that a small stream of water had the same effect as chemo therapeutic drugs > they were experimenting with. By restoring lymph flow, cancer goes away on > its own. Tumors dissolve and homeostasis is restored. > > It is so unfortunate that people fail to believe that cancer was resolved > 100 years ago. I can assure you it was. I have the works of several doctors > that were routinely curing the condition. To them it wasn't a big deal. Our > medical system has been overcome by greed and the unnecessary suffering of > the masses isn't as important to the players as is the blood money they > derive from exploiting their patients. This is the real reason that we still > deal with cancer today. " The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything. " > Claude Bernard 1813-1878 > My latest ebook " Breast Cancer Cure " can be downloaded at > www.lulu.com/comdyne In the book is a summation of the cancer process in > the words of a doctor who understood it the best of all. > Extracted and transcribed from " Cancer " by Willy Meyer, MD 1931 This book > is one of the finest off all in my extensive collection. I may republish the > book in its entirety sometime in the future if the economy recovers. Carmi > Hazen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and > cancer: > > > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. If you had read the above information, you would know that Rife conducted experiments in which he injected healthy rats with the cancer virus and the rats developed cancer. I do not know what kind of evidence would convince you of a strong correlation between the virus and cancer. I suspect that no evidence would convince you as you appear to have your mind made up. > > > It is not wise to view cancer as a cause and effect regarding pathogenic > infestations. Dr. Rife clearly demonstrated that there was a virus type of > an organism associated with cancer but it isn't wise to say that the virus > was the cause of the condition because it isn't. > > Cancer develops because of a failure of the lymphatic system to drain away > waste products of cellular metabolism. Cancer is the result of two > situations who, independently of each other are harmless. It is when these > two conditions meet up that cancer manifests itself. First the entire > circulatory system has been contaminated by foreign proteins most often as a > result of a compromised digestive tract that allowed seepage of food wastes > to exit the confines of the intestines and become drifting garbage > components in the humors (I define homors as the blood and lymph in this > example and nothing else) which triggers a subacute immune response. Very > mild systemic inflammation spreads throughout the body causing swelling of > the cells throughout and clogs numerous lymph channels causing a reduction > in lymph flow. The Detritis (physical trash) also can accumulate in various > areas causing congestion and further reducing lymph flow to the tissues > surrounding the mass accumulation of this biological garbage. As the oxygen > depletes, the tissues shift their metabolism from aerobic to an anaerobic > fermentation which produces a toxin excreted by newly formed fungi via the > pleomorphic processes. These organisms by digesting necrosed (dead) tissue > act as scavengers, the offspring of which Rife identified as a virus. So > while it is true that a viral form amongst others are always found in > malignancy, it is not sufficient to say that they were the cause of the > cancer because they clearly are not. What Rife failed to say was that the > rats were prepared biologically so that cancer could be induced into them, > in other words, the virus could transfer and take the disease along with it. > During his time, other researchers were breeding rats prone to cancer and > others were bread to be resistant to the disease in addition to other > factors establishing a tendency to develop the disease which was also > required to be present so as to freely induce it. > > Modern research is still looking for the illusive cootie and they will > never find it. If it existed, it would have been discovered long ago. It is > the condition of the terrain along with local tissue damage (irritatiion) > that produces a stoppage of the lymphatic flow and it is this condition that > is responsible for cancer, the virus is there not as its cause but as > Nature's scavenger. By flushing away the necrone produced by the cancer > digestive process, the disease can be stopped. Not unlike Simoncini and his > bicarbonate of soda treatment method, another doctor in the 1920s discovered > that a small stream of water had the same effect as chemo therapeutic drugs > they were experimenting with. By restoring lymph flow, cancer goes away on > its own. Tumors dissolve and homeostasis is restored. > > It is so unfortunate that people fail to believe that cancer was resolved > 100 years ago. I can assure you it was. I have the works of several doctors > that were routinely curing the condition. To them it wasn't a big deal. Our > medical system has been overcome by greed and the unnecessary suffering of > the masses isn't as important to the players as is the blood money they > derive from exploiting their patients. This is the real reason that we still > deal with cancer today. " The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything. " > Claude Bernard 1813-1878 > My latest ebook " Breast Cancer Cure " can be downloaded at > www.lulu.com/comdyne In the book is a summation of the cancer process in > the words of a doctor who understood it the best of all. > Extracted and transcribed from " Cancer " by Willy Meyer, MD 1931 This book > is one of the finest off all in my extensive collection. I may republish the > book in its entirety sometime in the future if the economy recovers. Carmi > Hazen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and > cancer: > > > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 For those who may be interested in a vastly different thinking about cancer, you may want to follow this thread title over on the rifegroups (DOT) It has been my contention all along that this disease is caused by factors within the control of the owner and its outcome resolvable by means outside of standard treatment philosophy with its rather dismal outcomes. There is much evidence that the resolution of the disease is within the capacity of the individual and not aided much, if at all, by the hand of a doctor or others a party to the established medical institution. I will be a guest speaker tonite at 11 PM ET on www.eyeonthefutureradio.com as I am every first Sunday of the month. The topic for this show is aluminum poisioning. At the turn of the last Century cancer rates rose dramitically with the commercial introduction of aluminum utensils and cookware. Many people were poisoned at church socials and many others died after consuming foods that were stored in aluminum ware. Tonite I will explain the problem in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Dion,  As usual! No evidence, just opinion based on nothing but hot air plus a childish insult. So let's talk ignorance. You can't even form a proper sentence. You start without capitalization and you end a declaration with a question mark.  I leave it to the readers to decide who is ignorant here.  Dr. Flaig > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > http://altered- states.net/ barry/newsletter 133/bxvirus. htm > > > http://www.frequenc yfoundation. com/2004/ 10/more-on- rife-bxby- virus-and- bacillus. html > > http://www.rife. org/crane/ cranetherapy2. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Bob, If you think cancer is a fungus I suggest you take a look at www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ I don't think you could find a single pathologist that would say that cancer is a fungus, but there is general agreement that fungal infections can cause cancer. Dr. Flaig Subject: RE: Rife & cancer To: Rife Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 8:02 PM ...similar for a fungus. > RE: Rife & cancer > > Dion, > Where is the evidence that cancer is a virus? It is well > known that viruses can cause cancer, as can chemicals, > radiation, and other factors. But I can't think of one > pathologist that says that cancer is a virus. > Dr. Flaig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Could you re-phrase your statement as I am having a hard time attempting to understand what you are trying to say? I will comment here, however, that research rats during his time period were commercially available that were bread so as to be vulnerable to developing cancer. That work was done by Maude Slye 1879-1954. It is the chronic irritation of tissue combined with an internal terrain of toxic body fluids that induces cancer, a virus is just one of many potential irritations that can bring this action about. Coal tar was utilized often as are nitrates today. The researcher that was first in inducing cancer by external or artificial means was Johannes Fibiger 1867-1928 Claiming that the disease is factually caused by a virus is a rather short sighted. Otto Warburg was awarded the 1931 Nobel Prize for his discovery of cellular respiration as being the primary cause of cancer. Everything else is secondary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and > > cancer: > > > > > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Hi Dr. Flaig, You quote the website: www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ but the author of that website does not even give his name, where he works (Denmark perhaps), or anything which even gives his/her qualifications. Perhaps not the most reliable source on the Internet. It all depends on what you are prepared to accept as evidence. A major part of the problem is that nearly all modern microscopes are incapable of viewing living viruses the size of the cancer virus, and that is the major reason why there is any doubt at all. Here in Germany, where I live, there have been a number of scientists who have looked into this over the years and determined that cancer is a virus including Dr. von Brehmer, Prof. Dunbar, Prof. Enderlein, Dr. Weber, Prof. von Seld, Dr. Sklenar, Dr. Spengler, Dr. Weber, Dr. U. Randoll, Prof. Dr.Dr. K.S. Zänker, etc. I personally work with Kurt Olbrich, inventor of the Ergonom microscope, and his microscope is capable of viewing living unstained viruses and he has years of experience looking at the cancer causing virus. His work has been published in German language publications, but very little of it has been translated into English. Kurt Olbrich's " Sanguinogramm " has been published in Germany (in German) and it gives highly detailed drawings with measurements of the " cancer virus " seen during the various stages of cancer. An English translation can be downloaded here: http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/files/sanguinogramm.pdf Further, a video film has been released which shows this virus as seen by the Ergonom. " Symbiosis or Parasitism " can be viewed online or downloaded from here: http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html I think it would go too far to start listing all their papers here, do a bit of research yourself on the above mentioned people. What we can confirm is that cancer is pleomorphic and takes on many states in the various stages. Kurt has extensive photographic and video evidence on every stage of cancer growth. Pleomorphism is much more accepted in Germany than in English speaking countries, especially as so many German scientists have confirmed it. I believe this is closer to the kind of answer you were looking for. However, it would not surprise me if the evidence from all those scientists is not good enough for you. Regards http://www.grayfieldoptical.com > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 NOT my point at all... cancer is cancer. a virus is a virus. a fungus is a fungus. cancer is not a virus or a fungus. a virus or fungus can be an extremely compelling causal effect leading to a cancer where the terrain is sufficiently susceptible/vulnerable. this seems quite definite, clear and simple to me. to say " cancer is a fungus " is to make a simplification that takes a leap into meaninglessness and to me just seems really lame. at this point i'm in general agreement with Carmi's (comdyne2002) description of the relationships between them... but i'm a painter/paperhanger etc, not a doc or biomedical scientist and only learning about all this in a disjointed manner with insufficient backround or mental tools to put it all together well. very frustrating. > RE: Rife & cancer > > Bob, > If you think cancer is a fungus I suggest you take a look at > www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ > I don't think you could find a single pathologist that would > say that cancer is a fungus, but there is general agreement > that fungal infections can cause cancer. > > Dr. Flaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Oh, please! And I was too insulting to post on the group? And I am still moderated. This is why I don't bother much with this group. [Comment from Moderator - You are only still moderated because you do not prune your posts. Even in this post, I had to remove a lot of unneeded white space. Improve that and the moderation will be lifted, . PS, Dr. Flaig is moderated, too] > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 If the medical system continues to advance, one day Royal Rife will be acknowledged as one of histories greatest medical geniuses. In 1920 Royal Rife identified the human cancer virus using the worlds most powerful microscope (using a different design which he created), cultured the virus (on salted pork, the best growing medium), and injected it into rats. These injections caused cancer in every one of the rats (all 400 of them). Later he was able to find a frequency of electro-magnetic energy that would cause the cancer virus to self destruct when within that energy field. He created a device that emitted that energy field and was successful at destroying cancer viruses inside patients who were within 10 feet of the device. Some claim that Dr. R. Rife 1. developed a super microscope, 2. was able to see live viruses, 3. which gave off their own unique light, by which he found that 4. all that forms of human cancer he studied were caused by the same viral infection (BX virus), and that 5. these cancer viruses will shatter both on microscope slides and in living animals when exposed to certain frequencies (of ?). 6. His 1934 Rife Ray Equipment at the University of Southern California cured 14 helpless cancer cases after 3 months and eventually 100% of the 16 cures attempted. 7. Rife worked with top people in medicine at his time including doctors at the Mayo Clinic. 8. Rife won scientific awards. 9. Drug companies and electron microscope competition suppressed him and all others who succeeded in duplicating his work. To: Rife From: rifeforum@... Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:34:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Rife & cancer Hi Dr. Flaig, You quote the website: www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ but the author of that website does not even give his name, where he works (Denmark perhaps), or anything which even gives his/her qualifications. Perhaps not the most reliable source on the Internet. It all depends on what you are prepared to accept as evidence. A major part of the problem is that nearly all modern microscopes are incapable of viewing living viruses the size of the cancer virus, and that is the major reason why there is any doubt at all. Here in Germany, where I live, there have been a number of scientists who have looked into this over the years and determined that cancer is a virus including Dr. von Brehmer, Prof. Dunbar, Prof. Enderlein, Dr. Weber, Prof. von Seld, Dr. Sklenar, Dr. Spengler, Dr. Weber, Dr. U. Randoll, Prof. Dr.Dr. K.S. Zänker, etc. I personally work with Kurt Olbrich, inventor of the Ergonom microscope, and his microscope is capable of viewing living unstained viruses and he has years of experience looking at the cancer causing virus. His work has been published in German language publications, but very little of it has been translated into English. Kurt Olbrich's " Sanguinogramm " has been published in Germany (in German) and it gives highly detailed drawings with measurements of the " cancer virus " seen during the various stages of cancer. An English translation can be downloaded here: http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/files/sanguinogramm.pdf Further, a video film has been released which shows this virus as seen by the Ergonom. " Symbiosis or Parasitism " can be viewed online or downloaded from here: http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html I think it would go too far to start listing all their papers here, do a bit of research yourself on the above mentioned people. What we can confirm is that cancer is pleomorphic and takes on many states in the various stages. Kurt has extensive photographic and video evidence on every stage of cancer growth. Pleomorphism is much more accepted in Germany than in English speaking countries, especially as so many German scientists have confirmed it. I believe this is closer to the kind of answer you were looking for. However, it would not surprise me if the evidence from all those scientists is not good enough for you. Regards http://www.grayfieldoptical.com > > > > > > > Here are a few websites with an interesting discussion of Rife and cancer: > > > > http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/bxvirus.htm > > > > > > http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2004/10/more-on-rife-bxby-virus-and-bacillus.\ html > > > > http://www.rife.org/crane/cranetherapy2.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Hi : Since you brought up the issue of " evidence " , I feel compelled to comment. The Rife community as a whole has a very low standard of evidence, including the lack of evidence for claims and statements you've made and attributed to Kurt Olbrich. On more than one occasion, I've asked you for scientifically valid evidence for claims attributed to Olbrich, and despite your assurances that such evidence would be forthcoming, I've yet to see it. The identity and formal qualifications of someone presenting information is ultimately irrelevant; the information should be evaluated on its own. Take my own example for instance: does the fact that I have no formal scientific qualifications mean that the information I've brought to the table in Rife research is invalid? It is a logical fallacy to reject one piece of information because we don't know the identity and qualifications of the author, or to accept a piece of information because Kurt Olbrich said it. The only issue is the quality of the evidence presented. Since you're talking about evidence, you should be providing acceptable evidence for the claims and statements coming from Olbrich. The information presented at the web site that posted is well reasoned and can't be dismissed because we don't know the identity or qualifications of the author. It is for Dr. Simoncini and his supporters to respond in a scientifically valid manner. Far too often we blindly accept a proposition at face value, without any real evidence to support it, or reject contrary evidence because it doesn't agree with our preferred paradigm. Regards, --- wrote: > Hi Dr. Flaig, > > You quote the website: > www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ > but the author of that website does not even give his name, > where he works (Denmark perhaps), or anything which even > gives his/her qualifications. Perhaps not the most reliable > source on the Internet. > > It all depends on what you are prepared to accept as > evidence. > > A major part of the problem is that nearly all modern > microscopes are incapable of viewing living viruses the size > of the cancer virus, and that is the major reason why there > is any doubt at all. > > Here in Germany, where I live, there have been a number of > scientists who have looked into this over the years and > determined that cancer is a virus including Dr. von Brehmer, > Prof. Dunbar, Prof. Enderlein, Dr. Weber, Prof. von Seld, > Dr. Sklenar, Dr. Spengler, Dr. Weber, Dr. U. Randoll, Prof. > Dr.Dr. K.S. Zänker, etc. > > I personally work with Kurt Olbrich, inventor of the > Ergonom microscope, and his microscope is capable of viewing > living unstained viruses and he has years of experience > looking at the cancer causing virus. > > His work has been published in German language > publications, but very little of it has been translated into > English. Kurt Olbrich's " Sanguinogramm " has been published > in Germany (in German) and it gives highly detailed drawings > with measurements of the " cancer virus " seen during the > various stages of cancer. An English translation can be > downloaded here: > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/files/sanguinogramm.pdf > > Further, a video film has been released which shows this > virus as seen by the Ergonom. " Symbiosis or Parasitism " can > be viewed online or downloaded from here: > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html > > I think it would go too far to start listing all their > papers here, do a bit of research yourself on the above > mentioned people. > > What we can confirm is that cancer is pleomorphic and takes > on many states in the various stages. Kurt has extensive > photographic and video evidence on every stage of cancer > growth. Pleomorphism is much more accepted in Germany than > in English speaking countries, especially as so many German > scientists have confirmed it. > > I believe this is closer to the kind of answer you were > looking for. However, it would not surprise me if the > evidence from all those scientists is not good enough for > you. > > Regards > > > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 What's the point of this post Dion? All you're doing is parroting the urban mythology about Rife without adding anything new or helpful, except that it appears you've even added to the mythology. What evidence do you have that Rife was suppressed by electron microscope competition? Regards, --- dion cowles wrote: > If the medical system continues to > advance, one day Royal Rife will be > acknowledged as one of histories greatest medical geniuses. > In 1920 Royal Rife identified the human cancer virus using > the worlds most powerful microscope (using a different > design which he created), cultured the virus (on salted > pork, the best growing medium), and injected it into rats. > These injections caused cancer in every one of the rats (all > 400 of them). Later he was able to find a frequency of > electro-magnetic energy that would cause the cancer virus to > self destruct when within that energy field. He created a > device that emitted that energy field and was successful at > destroying cancer viruses inside patients who were within 10 > feet of the device. > > Some claim that Dr. R. Rife 1. developed a super > microscope, 2. was able to see live viruses, 3. which gave > off their own unique light, by which he found that 4. all > that forms of human cancer he studied were caused by the > same viral infection (BX virus), and that 5. these cancer > viruses will shatter both on microscope slides and in living > animals when exposed to certain frequencies (of ?). 6. His > 1934 Rife Ray Equipment at the University of Southern > California cured 14 helpless cancer cases after 3 months and > eventually 100% of the 16 cures attempted. 7. Rife worked > with top people in medicine at his time including doctors at > the Mayo Clinic. 8. Rife won scientific awards. 9. Drug > companies and electron microscope competition suppressed him > and all others who succeeded in duplicating his work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hi , First of all, I have not personally looked at Dr. Simoncini's work and to be honest, am not even interested - I have other things I need to concentrate on right now. I have spent some time looking into pleomorphism as that info is easily available in Germany with many publications on the subject (I have already listed the major doctors and professors) and it is not my job to present their work to you. How good is your German? For example, I have an excellent German language book on Pleomorphism here (which Kurt Olbrich submitted a lot of images and information for) of 584 pages published by one of Germany's largest scientific publishers (Haug Verlag) which provides excellent " evidence " on the subject, but forgive me if I do not have the time to translate it all into English for you (unless you can pay me enough that is)? If that means I have not provided enough evidence for you, then so be it - right now I am extremely busy with a number of important jobs which have a higher priority that satisfying your curiosity. As to the capabilities of the Ergonom microscope, I have presented a lot of information both here and on the http://www.grayfieldoptical.com website. You are welcome to come to Germany and test it for yourself. Kurt himself is not a scientist or a doctor (his background is more in analysing plastics and metals) - it is Bernhard Muschlien who convinced him to start looking at medical samples back in the 70s. He is a highly regarded engineer (in Germany) with an excellent track record who designed and built a special microscope. He has worked with some of the best scientists in the world and he leaves the scientific proving to them - he provides the tools for them to do it. The images and videos he has produced speak for themselves. As he does not speak English, the information available in English is limited basically to what I and a few others have translated. If you can understand German, let me know and I will see what I can send you. Regards > > > Hi Dr. Flaig, > > > > You quote the website: > > www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/ > > but the author of that website does not even give his name, > > where he works (Denmark perhaps), or anything which even > > gives his/her qualifications. Perhaps not the most reliable > > source on the Internet. > > > > It all depends on what you are prepared to accept as > > evidence. > > > > A major part of the problem is that nearly all modern > > microscopes are incapable of viewing living viruses the size > > of the cancer virus, and that is the major reason why there > > is any doubt at all. > > > > Here in Germany, where I live, there have been a number of > > scientists who have looked into this over the years and > > determined that cancer is a virus including Dr. von Brehmer, > > Prof. Dunbar, Prof. Enderlein, Dr. Weber, Prof. von Seld, > > Dr. Sklenar, Dr. Spengler, Dr. Weber, Dr. U. Randoll, Prof. > > Dr.Dr. K.S. Zänker, etc. > > > > I personally work with Kurt Olbrich, inventor of the > > Ergonom microscope, and his microscope is capable of viewing > > living unstained viruses and he has years of experience > > looking at the cancer causing virus. > > > > His work has been published in German language > > publications, but very little of it has been translated into > > English. Kurt Olbrich's " Sanguinogramm " has been published > > in Germany (in German) and it gives highly detailed drawings > > with measurements of the " cancer virus " seen during the > > various stages of cancer. An English translation can be > > downloaded here: > > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/files/sanguinogramm.pdf > > > > Further, a video film has been released which shows this > > virus as seen by the Ergonom. " Symbiosis or Parasitism " can > > be viewed online or downloaded from here: > > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html > > > > I think it would go too far to start listing all their > > papers here, do a bit of research yourself on the above > > mentioned people. > > > > What we can confirm is that cancer is pleomorphic and takes > > on many states in the various stages. Kurt has extensive > > photographic and video evidence on every stage of cancer > > growth. Pleomorphism is much more accepted in Germany than > > in English speaking countries, especially as so many German > > scientists have confirmed it. > > > > I believe this is closer to the kind of answer you were > > looking for. However, it would not surprise me if the > > evidence from all those scientists is not good enough for > > you. > > > > Regards > > > > > > http://www.grayfieldoptical.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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