Scared...

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During a regular check-up this spring, I had some bloodwork done and my

liver enzymes were elevated. My doctor suggested an ultrasound and, guess

what, gallstones. I had not experienced any severe discomfort as a result of

them, but looking back, I'm sure some of my physical discomfort could be

attributed to them.

Anyway, about a week or two later I had my first gall bladder attack. I had

a three week trip scheduled (in about 3 weeks time) and I was scared. I

didn't want to have an attack while overseas. So I made an appointment with

a surgeon and scheduled surgery for the following week. Over the weekend I

did some research online and decided to postpone the surgery, at least until

after the trip.

This was about 3 months ago. I have not had an attack since, but I do suffer

some discomfort. I want to do a flush. I'm scared. What if the stones get

lodged in the duct? What if my gall bladder is so diseased that I'll have to

go to the ER for emergency surgery? I'm afraid and I need advice. I was

planning to do the flush this Friday, since I have no plans for the weekend.

I was planning to only eat 4 or five green apples in the morning (before

2pm) and then just do the olive oil and grapefruit combination. I don't want

to do the epsom salts because it sounds nasty. Would I be making a big

mistake? If so, and I need to do the ES, could someone tell me where to get

them?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Martha

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> Anyway, about a week or two later I had my first gall bladder attack. I had

> a three week trip scheduled (in about 3 weeks time) and I was scared. I

> didn't want to have an attack while overseas. So I made an appointment with

> a surgeon and scheduled surgery for the following week. Over the weekend I

> did some research online and decided to postpone the surgery, at least

> until

> after the trip.

>

Martha,

Sorry you're having the discomfort. You remind me of myself. Back in early

Dec. 2000, I had a severe gallbladder attack and had to go to the ER.

Previous to the attack, I figured that my GB was giving me problems because I

had been having some discomfort, which some of it I thought was reflux

problems. But one time I had a little more than that then and thought, Oh

my, it's my GB! Also, reflux can be a symptom of GB problems.

So anyway, I did some research and went on Dr. Cabot's liver cleansing

diet, which helped me a lot and no more pains. But one night as we were

coming home late from out of town and were very hungry, the only thing around

was Jack In The Box, so we stopped there and I had a chicken sandwich. Oh,

it was awful. But at about 2:00 in the morning I woke up in very, very

severe pain, just about screaming. I did this for several hours, couldn't

stand, sit, walk and my hubby took me to the ER. I was reluctant because we

had no insurance, but the pain was so bad by that time, I didn't give a hoot.

After a couple shots of demerol, the pain eased enough that I could stand it.

But a really smart aleck ER doc came in wanting to know if I wanted surgery

right then. I was just sick and didn't really want to talk about it at that

time, but I looked at him and said, I'm going to go back on my diet and stay

with that.

He said, Your diet won't help you in a thousand years, it won't get rid of

these stones. You'll be back here again.

Well, anyway, the surgeon came in who had more tact and compassion, and said,

Go try your diet again. If that's what a patient wants, I always try to tell

them to do that first.

If I ever have to have surgery, you can bet your bootie that I won't go back

to that hospital just because of that smart aleck, compassion-lacking ER

doctor.

So I came home and after getting off all the strong antibiotics and pain

meds, I decided to do a cleanse. I was scared to death because I thought

that a stone would get lodged somewhere. Needless to say, some people who

have their GB removed get stones stuck anyway a while after the surgery. Did

a whole lot of research, talked to an old friend who's been doing this over

10 years, I talked to this group, which there were different people here at

the time. But Dale was one who encouraged me so much, and I am

grateful to have met him. He's a rock!

Then there was a Jim person here who helped me. I don't think he's here

anymore, but I had so much support. I decided to do the cleanse, doing it

and combining Dr. Cabot's cleanse together with Dr. 's cleanse. In Dr.

Cabot's cleanse, I prepared very seriously for a week, drinking 1 quart of

organic apple juice every day because it's said that it softens the stones to

make passing easier. I ate healthy all week, eating mostly veggies and some

fish, my regular amount of lots of good water. Note: after doing the

organic apple juice, I can tell you that you do pass tons more stuff. That's

a fact that I experienced.

Then I drank the ES like in Dr. 's cleanse. It's nasty, but it doesn't

kill you. Just drink it fast. Someone had a good idea and when I have

straws, I do it. Drink it through a straw quickly. You don't taste it as

much. Now, they say chill it, but I can't stand it chilled, so I mix up half

my dose for the night and the next morning, I now drink Magnesium Citrate

liquid that you can get in a drug store. It doesn't wipe me out as bad in

the mornings as the ES. So I use the ES at night, two doses like the recipe

says. The Magnesium Citrate, 1/2 bottle each dose in the morning. It does

the same thing. I have found the ES a lot more effective at night, so I do

that at night.

Here is something that you can do with your olive oil/grape fruit mixture.

Also add 1/4 cup of organic apple juice. I've found this works very well

added to that. Then also press in a little bit of fresh ginger root. It is

a cleanser, plus it holds down nausea.

I was totally surprised after I did my first cleanse. I didn't feel a thing

except every once in a while I felt little things passing or something but it

never hurt at all. Now, sometimes the next day if you've passed a lot of

larger stuff, you may be a little sore around your liver/GB area like you've

done 50 sit-ups or something. I had this happen one time when I passed some

large ones.

One word of advice that I hope you take. Go on a healthy diet, learn your

healthy fats because you need them to remain healthy. You can ask Dale, he

suffered greatly because he cut out all this fats when, in fact, it's

important that you have your essential fatty acids. Another bit of advice,

get you some magnesium citrate capsules from the health food store. I always

try to buy a Solaray brand, which it's so wonderful. It's important that you

take one three times a day. Always reserve one dose for bedtime. Most

people are magnesium deficient nowadays.

Read this that Dale sent me and scroll down to Gallstones:

http://www.mgwater.com/rod16.shtml

Next, I don't know where you live, but get you some Beta-TCP that you take

with your meals. It's a bile thinner, and I've had great success with it,

but there's not many places that you can get it. If you need help, please

let me know.

I hope this helps you. The people on this forum are great and would help you

in any way that they can. But I've found that what works for one person,

doesn't always work for another. Most of the basics that I've told you,

though, may really work for you.

Take care & be well,

Susie

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> I was planning to only eat 4 or five green apples in the morning (before

> 2pm) and then just do the olive oil and grapefruit combination. I don't

want

> to do the epsom salts because it sounds nasty. Would I be making a big

> mistake? If so, and I need to do the ES, could someone tell me where to

get

> them?

I wouldn't leave the Epsom Salts regimen out, so important

for clearing out the small intestine and colon, and for

relaxing the ducts for easier passage of whatever is in

the gb/liver ducts. Hope all goes well!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

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Martha, If you have not had an attack in 3 months, I would heartily

encourage you to do the cleanse now in hopes that you will never have

to have surgery. I have done 16 cleanses and never had any discomfort

more than a sore bottom from " running " to the bathroom, no pun

intended. Many people have done way more than 16 cleanses. I ended up

having surgery because my attacks came on with no notice and

continued for seven months, finally coming on every day. I knew about

the cleanse years ago, but did not think I needed to do them. If you

take the ES, chances are you will not feel a thing more than a little

bit of rumbling tumbling feeling. SUsie gave some great advice.

Surgery costs almost $8000 total. This is $10. Read some of the posts

in the history. You'll see most everyone has nothing but success. Dawn

PS you can get ES in any drugstore or Wal Mart in the pharmacy

section. Also putting the ES in apple juice or grapefruit juice makes

it a little more palatable. I put mine in apple juice.

>

> This was about 3 months ago. I have not had an attack since, but I

do suffer

> some discomfort. I want to do a flush. I'm scared. What if the

stones get

> lodged in the duct? What if my gall bladder is so diseased that

I'll have to

> go to the ER for emergency surgery? I'm afraid and I need advice. I

was

> planning to do the flush this Friday, since I have no plans for the

weekend.

> I was planning to only eat 4 or five green apples in the morning

(before

> 2pm) and then just do the olive oil and grapefruit combination. I

don't want

> to do the epsom salts because it sounds nasty. Would I be making a

big

> mistake? If so, and I need to do the ES, could someone tell me

where to get

> them?

>

> Thanks in advance for all your help.

> Martha

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,

I just did my first cleanse two days ago. I mixed the Epsom salts with

fresh apple juice and some vit c powder and it wasn't bad at all. Just

drink it fast. Also, I thought the grapefruit and olive oil drink was

pretty good!

I don't know why, but I had probably less than 10 stones come out but a

lot of sandy type material. Not sure if I should do another cleanse in 2

weeks. I don't have any gallbladder problems. I have PMS problems due to

fibrocystic breasts and uterine fibroids from too much estrogen. I was

told to cleanse my liver to rid my body of the excess estrogen. This

should cause my cysts to disappear. Since I didn't get as many stones

out as everyone else, I am wondering if I even have any stones.

-----Original Message-----

From: L. Meydrech [mailto:claudiameydrech@...]

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:28 PM

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Subject: Re: Scared...

> I was planning to only eat 4 or five green apples in the morning

(before

> 2pm) and then just do the olive oil and grapefruit combination. I

don't

want

> to do the epsom salts because it sounds nasty. Would I be making a big

> mistake? If so, and I need to do the ES, could someone tell me where

to

get

> them?

I wouldn't leave the Epsom Salts regimen out, so important

for clearing out the small intestine and colon, and for

relaxing the ducts for easier passage of whatever is in

the gb/liver ducts. Hope all goes well!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

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> ,

>

> I just did my first cleanse two days ago. I mixed the Epsom salts with

> fresh apple juice and some vit c powder and it wasn't bad at all. Just

> drink it fast. Also, I thought the grapefruit and olive oil drink was

> pretty good!

Yes, I also used grapefruit juice with the olive oil for the

first time last flush thanks to the information on this list,

and also thought it was a lot better than mixed with lemon

juice like I've done it for years. I don't worry much about

the taste of everything though, after all, it's a treatment,

not a snack (thank goodness! :-)

I got that sandy stuff you described too, chaf. Why don't

you wait and see how your body responds to the work you

have done? Others will say do this again, it is really up to

you! Let me know if this does indeed help with the

fibrocystic breasts and fibroids, I'd like to suggest it to

people if so. Thanks!!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

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Hi.

> This is my 4th day on LDN(3mg) and till now I have been fine...I had

a major migraine all day long...(I don't take pain killers) and now

that it has kind of subsided..I have coldness in/on the left corner of

my mouth...also som balance problems....I just got over a relapse with

return of all my regular movements...

After recovering from my last relapse, I remember myself wondering:

" Well, am I ever going to be able to feel my left hand again? "

Today, I am typing this message using both hands, at a speed of about

1 word per sec. Don't worry. You'll be fine. It might take a little

time, though, but with LDN you will be all right.

See you round.

Stavros