is flushing the gallbladder safe?

[Guest guest]

Just when I was ready to do a gallbladder flush, I read in an article

( a reputable source) that gallbladder flushes can be dangerous

because the stone or stones could get lodged in the bile duct and

make it neccessary for emergency surgery. I am putting off surgery as

long as possible but I finally got an appointment with a surgeon on

the 28th of September and from there I will go on a lengthly waiting

list for surgery. My pain is regular and some times quite severe so

any relief at this point will help. But I am very afraid of doing a

cleanse and ending up with an infection in the bile duct and be in

worse shape than before. Has a stone ever got stuck with any of you

who have done the cleanse. Have the stones returned after the

cleanse? I don't want a temporary fix when there is a permanent

solution all be it painful.

[Guest guest]

Long ago, before they did the lazer surgery, I had my gall-bladder out. I wish

I knew about cleansing then. To-day, I have 2 huge ruptures on the surgical

line. The only way to fix them is to open me up and re-do them again. This my

Dr. advises me not to do. Just my input on something you may not know can

happen. The cause for me was pneumonia, and all the coughing related to it.

Everything just tore. Carol.......

Janice <woodfamily@...> wrote: Just when I was ready to do a gallbladder

flush, I read in an article

( a reputable source) that gallbladder flushes can be dangerous

because the stone or stones could get lodged in the bile duct and

make it neccessary for emergency surgery. I am putting off surgery as

long as possible but I finally got an appointment with a surgeon on

the 28th of September and from there I will go on a lengthly waiting

list for surgery. My pain is regular and some times quite severe so

any relief at this point will help. But I am very afraid of doing a

cleanse and ending up with an infection in the bile duct and be in

worse shape than before. Has a stone ever got stuck with any of you

who have done the cleanse. Have the stones returned after the

cleanse? I don't want a temporary fix when there is a permanent

solution all be it painful.

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just when I was ready to do a gallbladder flush, I read in

an article

( a reputable source) that gallbladder flushes can be dangerous

because the stone or stones could get lodged in the bile duct and

make it neccessary for emergency surgery. I am putting off surgery as

long as possible but I finally got an appointment with a surgeon on

the 28th of September and from there I will go on a lengthly waiting

list for surgery. My pain is regular and some times quite severe so

any relief at this point will help. But I am very afraid of doing a

cleanse and ending up with an infection in the bile duct and be in

worse shape than before. Has a stone ever got stuck with any of you

who have done the cleanse. Have the stones returned after the

cleanse? I don't want a temporary fix when there is a permanent

solution all be it painful.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Janice;

As far as known here there have been very few incidents of suspect stones, of

being caught in a bile duct after a flush has been done. First off, stones are

already stuck in the liver or gallbladder and what we use the flush to do is to

unstick them and get them to move through the common bile duct to the intestines

and from there on out of the body. So, as regards stones being stuck they really

already have done so. That's the main reason for the various levels of pain that

are suffered.

Since bile stones can be in either the gallbladder or the liver this is why the

flush is referred to as a liver and gallbladder flush. The liver as well as the

gallbladder is as capable of having a number of stones stuck in it and that too

can cause a gallbladder like symptom. In fact my worst attack occurred because

of my liver being damaged by a non-fat diet, and my gallbladder of which looked

thickened and diseased with " A " stone looked great according to the ultrasound

done to seek out the possible stone causing the pain.

I can certainly appreciate your fear and apprehension to doing a flush and

especially if an " authority " figure such as a medical doctor has written

something along the lines of what you read. This simply reminds me of Dr.

Stanley Milgram's psychology experiment of the '60's'. He showed just how people

would react to the input of an authority figure over what they may personally

desire to do and be relieved of the duty of conscience by means of that.

http://www.dushkin.com/connectext/psy/ch15/bio15a.mhtml

This is why this group allows us to be making personal choices instead of

telling you just exactly what you should or should not be doing other that that

of which is obvious such as avoiding all forms of processed foods, hydrogenated

fats, animal fats, and man made chemicals such as aspartame. Otherwise you will

be having to live with the results of your personal decision.

There are some other considerations too in that when a gallbladder is removed

there is the slight possibility of a nick or damage of some other organ. Or they

may even fail to make sure all bile ducts are free of stones and that in turn

can cause a blockage.

So no matter what page it is that is read there is some sort of potential

danger. Just ask the doctor about why the paperwork you'll be signing states

that you will be accepting responsibly for the damage a doctor may cause while

operating because operations do go wrong. Shoot, a sneeze at the wrong moment

could certainly do some serious damage too, I've messed up a lot of paper while

writing before getting a computer, just for that reason, those sneezes just

sneak up and get you before you can react.

Dale

[Guest guest]

> Just when I was ready to do a gallbladder flush, I read in an article

> ( a reputable source) that gallbladder flushes can be dangerous

> because the stone or stones could get lodged in the bile duct...

>I am very afraid of doing a cleanse and ending up with an

> infection in the bile duct...

This is the response you will almost always get from

doctors. I look at it this way, first, it is very unlikely that

a stone will get stuck. On the very outside chance that

one does, it will be just as if it had happened without

you doing anything, and you will go to the hospital and

have it taken care of it, just like you would if one

got stuck while not doing the flush. An infection will

not develop before you know you need to address

the problem. BUT I emphasize you aren't likely

to have something get stuck. If you want to reassure

yourself about the size of stones, you may want to go

and have an ultrasound done. When people start

having repeated attacks, the condition has gotten to

the point that you need to do something.

As for stones returning, yes, they do tend to, but will

do so less if you learn to eat correctly. It has been

explained to me that some just tend to make stones

more than others. I have been doing the flush on and

off for over 15 years...not over and over again like

some on this list, but once or twice a year. Did let

5 years go by before doing my last one this spring,

and am looking to it again real soon. So far have not

had any painful attacks (not referring to while doing

the flush, but in general) like folks describe on this list,

thank the Lord, and hope it never comes to that.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

One other thing; what was the reputable source?

Dale

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Just when I was ready to do a gallbladder flush, I read in an article

( a reputable source) that gallbladder flushes can be dangerous

because the stone or stones could get lodged in the bile duct and

make it neccessary for emergency surgery. I am putting off surgery as

long as possible but I finally got an appointment with a surgeon on

the 28th of September and from there I will go on a lengthly waiting

list for surgery. My pain is regular and some times quite severe so

any relief at this point will help. But I am very afraid of doing a

cleanse and ending up with an infection in the bile duct and be in

worse shape than before. Has a stone ever got stuck with any of you

who have done the cleanse. Have the stones returned after the

cleanse? I don't want a temporary fix when there is a permanent

solution all be it painful.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.