Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the mother. I've noticed though, that if I use a milk kefir grain to make " kefir beer " , and then forget about it for a week or three, it turns into vinegar nicely. I haven't tried adding straight juice to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? -- Heidi .. Hello All, Which cultures to use, Hmmmm I purchased bottles of (sorry not all of them organic $$$ with the Holidays)100% juices, Cranberry, White Grape, Dark Grape, Apple, Apple Cider...trying to decide which to add the vinegar mother I have Red Wine Mother, Apple Cider Mother, Braggs Apple Cider Mother, Kombucha, Water Kefir and milk Kefir....which to make sparkling for the holidays and which to make vinegars... Well I gave in and did the dark grape juice the with my water kefir, will add the airlock after 24hr. to age, then bottle for carbination. Hope got that right, getting the hang of this, the family loves the Kombucha! Audrey/Onexpresso <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 > A Kombucha Scoby doesn't seem that much different from > a vinegar mother, so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > --------------------------------------------------------- Well, go ahead and try it. If it works, it will be nice. If not, then you will know. In fact, I think that I'll try the 3 large Scoby-like mothers on top of my gallon jar of Kefir vinegar. One is on top, the others dropped to the middle and bottom of the jar. I am also trying to see if it will make new Kefir water crystals. One person on a forum said that she had put away a gallon or so of this Kefir vinegar, and a year later found lots of large crystals in it. She ate them, with relish. No, not relish, but she relished them.. oh, heck, she enjoyed them. Pat in CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I can see it, On 11/22/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote: > > This is a test to see why I can't respond to my chat groups. Get error > message. > > On Nov 20, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: > > > > > If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with > > something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the > > mother. I've noticed though, that if I use a milk kefir grain > > to make " kefir beer " , and then forget about it for a week or three, > > it turns into vinegar nicely. I haven't tried adding straight juice > > to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby > > doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, > > so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > > > > -- Heidi > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > Which cultures to use, Hmmmm I purchased bottles of (sorry not all of > > > > them organic $$$ with the Holidays)100% juices, Cranberry, White > > > > Grape, Dark Grape, Apple, Apple Cider...trying to decide which to add > > > > the vinegar mother I have Red Wine Mother, Apple Cider Mother, Braggs > > > > Apple Cider Mother, Kombucha, Water Kefir and milk Kefir....which to > > > > make sparkling for the holidays and which to make vinegars... > > > > Well I gave in and did the dark grape juice the with my water kefir, > > > > will add the airlock after 24hr. to age, then bottle for carbination. > > > > Hope got that right, getting the hang of this, the family loves the > > > > Kombucha! > > > > Audrey/Onexpresso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg > > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > > #ygrp-text{ > > font-family:Georgia; > > } > > #ygrp-text p{ > > margin:0 0 1em 0; > > } > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > font-family:Arial; > > clear:both; > > } > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > padding-top:10px; > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > margin:0; > > } > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > padding:0 1px; > > } > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > clear:both; > > margin:25px 0; > > white-space:nowrap; > > color:#666; > > text-align:right; > > } > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > float:left; > > white-space:nowrap; > > } > > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > > #ygrp-grft{ > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > padding:15px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-ft{ > > font-family:verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > border-top:1px solid #666; > > padding:5px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > padding-bottom:10px; > > } > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > background-color:#e0ecee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > > } > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > font-size:77%; > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#333; > > text-transform:uppercase; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > padding:0; > > margin:2px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > list-style-type:none; > > clear:both; > > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#ff7900; > > float:right; > > width:2em; > > text-align:right; > > padding-right:.5em; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > font-weight:bold; > > } > > #ygrp-vital a { > > text-decoration:none; > > } > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; > > } > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > color:#999; > > font-size:77%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > padding:6px 13px; > > background-color:#e0ecee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > padding:0 0 0 8px; > > margin:0; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > list-style-type:square; > > padding:6px 0; > > font-size:77%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > text-decoration:none; > > font-size:130%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > background-color:#eee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > padding:0 8px; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > padding:8px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > font-family:Arial; > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#628c2a; > > font-size:100%; > > line-height:122%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > text-decoration:none; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > margin:0; > > } > > o {font-size:0;} > > .MsoNormal { > > margin:0 0 0 0; > > } > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > font-size:120%; > > } > > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 This is a test to see why Earthlink isn't letting me use my chat groups. On Nov 20, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: > > If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with > something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the > mother. I've noticed though, that if I use a milk kefir grain > to make " kefir beer " , and then forget about it for a week or three, > it turns into vinegar nicely. I haven't tried adding straight juice > to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby > doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, > so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > > -- Heidi > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > Which cultures to use, Hmmmm I purchased bottles of (sorry not all of > > them organic $$$ with the Holidays)100% juices, Cranberry, White > > Grape, Dark Grape, Apple, Apple Cider...trying to decide which to add > > the vinegar mother I have Red Wine Mother, Apple Cider Mother, Braggs > > Apple Cider Mother, Kombucha, Water Kefir and milk Kefir....which to > > make sparkling for the holidays and which to make vinegars... > > Well I gave in and did the dark grape juice the with my water kefir, > > will add the airlock after 24hr. to age, then bottle for carbination. > > Hope got that right, getting the hang of this, the family loves the > > Kombucha! > > Audrey/Onexpresso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 This is a test to see why I can't respond to my chat groups. Get error message. On Nov 20, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: > > If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with > something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the > mother. I've noticed though, that if I use a milk kefir grain > to make " kefir beer " , and then forget about it for a week or three, > it turns into vinegar nicely. I haven't tried adding straight juice > to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby > doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, > so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > > -- Heidi > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > Which cultures to use, Hmmmm I purchased bottles of (sorry not all of > > them organic $$$ with the Holidays)100% juices, Cranberry, White > > Grape, Dark Grape, Apple, Apple Cider...trying to decide which to add > > the vinegar mother I have Red Wine Mother, Apple Cider Mother, Braggs > > Apple Cider Mother, Kombucha, Water Kefir and milk Kefir....which to > > make sparkling for the holidays and which to make vinegars... > > Well I gave in and did the dark grape juice the with my water kefir, > > will add the airlock after 24hr. to age, then bottle for carbination. > > Hope got that right, getting the hang of this, the family loves the > > Kombucha! > > Audrey/Onexpresso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hi Heidi, I bought some apple cider, but was wondering if it would still work to just add the mother of vinegar, or if I should add some of the water kefir cultured apple juice to it also? Or just culture it first, then add the mother to it. I have done the kombucha scoby with apple juice. Audrey <snippet> > If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with > something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the > mother... I haven't tried adding straight juice > to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby > doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, > so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > > -- Heidi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 You are supposed to culture it too (with yeast, to make alcohol). But I use kefir grains and just let it go to vinegar without the mother, and it works fine. I haven't tried just adding some vinegar to apple juice to see what happens ... -- Heidi Re: What to do.... Hi Heidi, I bought some apple cider, but was wondering if it would still work to just add the mother of vinegar, or if I should add some of the water kefir cultured apple juice to it also? Or just culture it first, then add the mother to it. I have done the kombucha scoby with apple juice. Audrey <snippet> > If you want to make vinegar, you usually start out with > something alcoholic ... like wine, then add THAT to the > mother... I haven't tried adding straight juice > to a vinegar mother ... it's an interesting idea. A Kombucha scoby > doesn't seem that much different from a vinegar mother, > so I wonder what it would do with plain juice? > > -- Heidi > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Heidi wrote: > I haven't tried just adding some vinegar to apple juice to see what > happens ... I have. I had some ACV with the mother in it, and when it got down to about a quarter full, I topped it up with apple juice. I read that you have to leave it for something like 3 months. I left mine for 6 months, as I went away for the winter. When I returned, I had a full container of ACV :-) My container of ACV was black plastic, and I left the plastic lid on with no apparent problems..... and the K9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the advice. I added most of the juice to the kombucha, and some to the kefir water grains. Still need to get more juice to try witht the avc though. Audrey <snippet> > I have. I had some ACV with the mother in it, and when it got down to about > a quarter full, I topped it up with apple juice. I read that you have to > leave it for something like 3 months. K9's > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hi , The Budwig Diet did not work for me. My tumors tripled in size on that diet. That seems to be rare for the most part but did happen to me. If I had it to do all over again, I'd of had a lumpectomy instead of needle biopsy. I'd have a lumpectomy....with a good surgeon. Pick up the book called The Breuss Cancer Cure. I'm reading it and will be trying his diet. I'm in your shoes and have decided to treat at home with some natural and some synthetic remedies, (tamoxifen being 1), and diet. Getting into debt, in my position, I don't think is wise. Louise I'm stage 4, invasive ductal carcinoma. > > Right, I would love any opinions here. I have an agressive cancer called angiosarcoma. Had tumours removed from breasts 6 months ago. Now I may have a reoccourance despite doing Budwig Protocol full on 6 months + vit d3, FIR sauna, detox, juicing, beta glucan, wheat grass ect ect. I found a lump in my scar this week. Could be the bugger back, could be scar tissue. > > My surgeon said that that they want to biopsy it. I said not a good idea as I dont want the cancer to spread. They could remove it via surgery if I reject the biopsy and then biopsy the lump after. Question one. Is surgery just as dangerous for spreading cancer as biopsy? > > My options are really go to a clinic overseas or get surgery. I have no Natural Doctors around me so I would have to go somewhere. We have no money really but could get a loan. I am in the UK so I was considering going to Hufeland Klinic in Germany. > > Would you get into debt and just say sod it, go to Germany or would you get the CT scan, surgery, radiation route? It would be fairly minor surgery as the lump is about 1/2 the size of a pea. I know this is a personal decision but need to chew this around a bit. sarcomas do react well to radiation. I have not ate meat or any sugar or much dairy other than the FOCC and hardly any wheat in the last 6 months. What is feeding this bugger? What I am doing is not working. > > What other options do I have? Cesium? Was thinking putting bloodroot paste on it but I will still have cancer in my body won't I? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hi , How deep into the surrounding tissue is the lump? With kind regards, Slavek. wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 hard to tell at this point but I don't think too deep. showed up on ultra sound but it feels very small and at the top of the skin. i have deep tissue cansema (black salve). natalie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Hi sorry for what you going though  I know that  Angiosarcomas are a rare vascular tumor. The cells manifest many of the morphologic and functional properties of normal epithelium Skin cells but it not shin cancer. though it acts like skin cancer  I feel it more closely relates to Lymphangiosarcoma witch is a rare malignant tumor which occurs in long-standing cases of primary or secondary Lymphedama It involves either the upper or the  lower lymphedemateous extremities but is most common in the upper extremities  Sorry enough waffling.  So  what can we do about this. I have read the only conventional treatment is surgery and radiation.    it looks to me is  a gland cancer.  I know my cancer a gland cancer and my cancer responds to insulin and so I Avoid consuming  sugar and limit the amount of  fruit I have one of the lady in our cancer support  group did this to she also went on to pomegranate juice extract this yielded very good results and she went into complete remission  http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/pomegranates  I feel with what I have told you, when you look into it, I know it  will help you all the best Ray  From: <natalie@...> Subject: [ ] What to do.... Received: Friday, 19 February, 2010, 10:41 PM  Right, I would love any opinions here. I have an agressive cancer called angiosarcoma. Had tumours removed from breasts 6 months ago. Now I may have a reoccourance despite doing Budwig Protocol full on 6 months + vit d3, FIR sauna, detox, juicing, beta glucan, wheat grass ect ect. I found a lump in my scar this week. Could be the bugger back, could be scar tissue. My surgeon said that that they want to biopsy it. I said not a good idea as I dont want the cancer to spread. They could remove it via surgery if I reject the biopsy and then biopsy the lump after. Question one. Is surgery just as dangerous for spreading cancer as biopsy? My options are really go to a clinic overseas or get surgery. I have no Natural Doctors around me so I would have to go somewhere. We have no money really but could get a loan. I am in the UK so I was considering going to Hufeland Klinic in Germany. Would you get into debt and just say sod it, go to Germany or would you get the CT scan, surgery, radiation route? It would be fairly minor surgery as the lump is about 1/2 the size of a pea. I know this is a personal decision but need to chew this around a bit. sarcomas do react well to radiation. I have not ate meat or any sugar or much dairy other than the FOCC and hardly any wheat in the last 6 months. What is feeding this bugger? What I am doing is not working. What other options do I have? Cesium? Was thinking putting bloodroot paste on it but I will still have cancer in my body won't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Hi , It's common to develop a lump at the surgery site due to fatty necrosis or scare tissue. Consider starting with a thermogram. Google thermography and check it out. If the cancer has returned, then it is your decision on how to treat it. But I can tell you that a lumpectomy plus radiation was what I did (DCIS) and it really wasn't that big of a deal. ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Hi Natalia, If it were on the surface, I would have given you a story, but this probably would not do anywhere near as well as what I am getting on the salve. Good luck to you. With kind regards, Slavek. wrote: > > > > hard to tell at this point but I don't think too deep. showed up on > ultra sound but it feels very small and at the top of the skin. i have > deep tissue cansema (black salve). > natalie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Salve will work on breast tumors or any tumor under the skin but it may need more then one application Cheri > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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