Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hi all, I stopped using a microwave about 2 months ago. I can use a high temp on my oven or the toaster oven and the food will be ready in 10 minutes vs. 2-3 in the micro. I am also getting used to it and knowing what I know about the micro (Dr. Mercola) I don't miss it. It did take a few weeks to get used to waiting, I just do things in a different order, so when the food is ready, I am ready. God bless, Hazelpone -------Original Message------- http://www.herbalhealer.com/microwave.html I personally quit using a microwave oven over 2 years ago. I never did think they were healthy and this drove that point home for me. I use an upscale toaster oven to do most of my cooking and to reheat foods. It's amazing how fast I got used to doing it the old fashioned way. I don't miss the microwave at all and I'm glad I got rid of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I'm not Bee, but think about the method of heating.... RADIATION. I've heard it destroys 95% of nutrients and alters things which could be problematic. I'd get a toaster oven...they would be a good alternative. Microwaves are good for two things if you ask me: heat pads and sterilizing dish cloths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Yes, I basically heard the same thing. But I mentioned the " dangers " of microwaves in another group (I read that only 5 to 10% of nutrients are left after microwaving - among other sins) - some members did a google and came up with information praising microwaves (I should have checked to see who they were by - probably Panasonic or GE or something). In the end, I chose for the most part to rely on the expertise of a few people I trust - Bee and Dr. Mercola being two - and Dr. M. says they're a no no, so that's good enough for me. The other " new " bad news in the kitchen is apparently teflon pans. For one thing, if you are going to use one, you shouldn't let it get to the " smoking " stage - those fumes are apparently toxic. One gets weary of all the hurdles, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I know Dr. Mercola is against microwaves, so is the Weston Price Foundation. Two good local guys near me that really base things on science are also totally against microwaves. I remember burping up meats after I heated them in the microwave a whole ago, but I'm not really up for trying that again to confirm it. So many people are against food irradiation, but that's what microwaving is, really. The Teflon thing doesn't surprise me. I remember a while back my sister couldn't buy Teflon cookware since she had a bird that was supposed to be sensitive to the fumes. HMMMMM. That should say something, huh? Then I'm hearing how chemicals found in Teflon are starting to show up all over the place in pretty much everything. It's stainless steel for me all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Stainless needs to be of the highest quality. Less expensive stainless, which has cadinium and nickel as alloys, can leach into the water. Another baking soda test; boil some water in it with a tbsp of baking soda in it, and then taste water, if it tastes metallic, it isn't high quality. Microwaves can also cause cataracts. The wave length affects the cornea. Blessings, Joe [ ] Re: Microwave Ovens I know Dr. Mercola is against microwaves, so is the Weston Price Foundation. Two good local guys near me that really base things on science are also totally against microwaves. I remember burping up meats after I heated them in the microwave a whole ago, but I'm not really up for trying that again to confirm it. So many people are against food irradiation, but that's what microwaving is, really. The Teflon thing doesn't surprise me. I remember a while back my sister couldn't buy Teflon cookware since she had a bird that was supposed to be sensitive to the fumes. HMMMMM. That should say something, huh? Then I'm hearing how chemicals found in Teflon are starting to show up all over the place in pretty much everything. It's stainless steel for me all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear Penny, Here's the information on microwave ovens from my article: Cooking When cooking and handling food it is important to handle, store and cook food correctly in order to retain healthy live-giving nutrients available in them. The first rule in cooking is not to microwave any food, not even to heat leftovers or drinks. Recent research shows that microwaved food causes severe molecular damage in the body. When eaten it causes abnormal changes in human blood which can be viewed in a live blood cell analysis. These changes causes deterioration and damage to the immune system. In simple terms, microwave ovens change the molecular structure of food with radiation. If manufacturers would have more accurately called them " radiation chambers " it's doubtful they would have ever sold one, but that's exactly what a microwave oven is. When food is irradiated the radiation breaks up the molecular structure of the food and creates a whole new set of chemicals known as " unique radiolytic products " (URPs). These URPs include benzene, formaldehyde and a host of known mutagens and carcinogens. Irradiation kills vitamins, friendly bacteria and enzymes in food, and effectively renders the food " dead " and therefore useless to your body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Penny, I just read that about teflon and immediately switched back to my rusty, dusty iron skillet. The problem is trying to 'season' it. Either I've forgotten how or Extra Virgin Olive Oil just isn't the right one to use. :-/ As for microwaves. I have it next to a brick wall and immediately leave after clicking it on. What I don't understand is why don't they just shield them better??? --nh Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:48:48 -0500 From: " penny martin " <penelopea@...> Subject: Re: Re: Microwave Ovens Yes, I basically heard the same thing. But I mentioned the " dangers " of microwaves in another group (I read that only 5 to 10% of nutrients are left after microwaving - among other sins) - some members did a google and came up with information praising microwaves (I should have checked to see who they were by - probably Panasonic or GE or something). In the end, I chose for the most part to rely on the expertise of a few people I trust - Bee and Dr. Mercola being two - and Dr. M. says they're a no no, so that's good enough for me. The other " new " bad news in the kitchen is apparently teflon pans. For one thing, if you are going to use one, you shouldn't let it get to the " smoking " stage - those fumes are apparently toxic. One gets weary of all the hurdles, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Hi nh: It isn't the microwaves supposedly coming out of the oven - it's what the microwaves do to the food that's the problem. Did you happen to read Bee's post to me today about that? Anyway, here's what her post says: ................When cooking and handling food it is important to handle, store and cook food correctly in order to retain healthy live-giving nutrients available in them. The first rule in cooking is not to microwave any food, not even to heat leftovers or drinks. Recent research shows that microwaved food causes severe molecular damage in the body. When eaten it causes abnormal changes in human blood which can be viewed in a live blood cell analysis. These changes causes deterioration and damage to the immune system. In simple terms, microwave ovens change the molecular structure of food with radiation. If manufacturers would have more accurately called them " radiation chambers " it's doubtful they would have ever sold one, but that's exactly what a microwave oven is. When food is irradiated the radiation breaks up the molecular structure of the food and creates a whole new set of chemicals known as " unique radiolytic products " (URPs). These URPs include benzene, formaldehyde and a host of known mutagens and carcinogens. Irradiation kills vitamins, friendly bacteria and enzymes in food, and effectively renders the food " dead " and therefore useless to your body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 It's certainly true that what it does to the food is the worst part. With that in mind, if you do ever use it (like for heat pads or sterilizing things), it's best not to be near it while on as it does emit radiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hi, You can season your cast iron pan with coconut oil. Why don't you post a separate message on seasoning it to see if someone can give you the instructions. Some countries have not allowed microwave ovens because they have done their research on the them. I believe it is Sweden. I use my microwave to heat up gel packs and to disinfect sponges, and that's all. I wouldn't even heat up water in them. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 I just use it to boil my water. lol --nh From: " penny martin " <penelopea@...> Subject: Re: Re: Microwave Ovens Hi nh: It isn't the microwaves supposedly coming out of the oven - it's what the microwaves do to the food that's the problem. Did you happen to read Bee's post to me today about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi nh, FYI microwaving water also alters it, which in turn changes body cells. Bee > I just use it to boil my water. lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 There are different power levels and the lower the power level the shorter distance the radiation will travel from the oven. They all leak enough to blast you when looking into one while on. Microwave ovens and microwave energy destroys the proteins and the minerals in food. Why eat any food that is toxic? I understand that Microwaves have been sold as a convenient option for heating things quickly. Once a person learns that microwaved food is poison to your body, then it becomes a choice whether to believe it is a viable option. Especially, once a person learns that plastics, when heated (some even when cool like Saran Wrap) releases cancerous poisons. Now it is your choice whether to put plastics touching your food or if you are going to heat it. Unplug your microwave. The components inside it drag on your power supply and can produce detrimental energy lines. It is interesting to note, before cell phones, microwaves used the frequency bands of the human body, between 800-900 mHz, to heat food. Now that cell phones came to life, cell phones took over that band and microwave ovens have been moved to a different area. To me, there are no " safe " microwaves. Maybe there are some that are " safer " , but that is not good enough for me or my family and friends. On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:40 AM, kattemayo wrote: > Are there differences in safety...to food or people between... > > old vs. new > > Large vs. small > > 1 Brand vs. another brand > > Thanks, > > Katrina > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I find the same thing, they come through the glass, especially in a straight line that goes to the little cardboard rectangle which is the window to the waveguide. Without the metal mesh the leakage would probably be over 1000 times worse. But as it is it can easily be the strongest microwave exposure in most homes--if you're close to it it's more intense than the majority of cell towers. Bill On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Aline <haikuron@...> wrote: > Can anybody point me to info about how microwaves escape from microwave > ovens? I am presuming it is mostly through the glass? > > When I search on Google all I find is assertions that microwaves do not > escape through the glass because of the metal mesh. Not according to my > electrosmog detector (and my body!). > > Thanks for the info. > > Aline > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 In a message dated 4/11/2008 2:04:48 A.M. GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@... writes: Can anybody point me to info about how microwaves escape from microwave > ovens? I am presuming it is mostly through the glass? > > When I search on Google all I find is assertions that microwaves do not > escape through the There is a manufacturers tolerance level I am sure so a certain amount of leakage is permissible by law ? P uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 My guess is that it follows the old " if it won't burn your flesh while it's in use, the amount that comes out it safe " rule. They sure as anything are not sealed as we'd expect sealed to mean. You can set a HF Meter screaming from a microwave oven. R. > > > In a message dated 4/11/2008 2:04:48 A.M. GMT Daylight Time, > wbruno@... writes: > > Can anybody point me to info about how microwaves escape from microwave > > ovens? I am presuming it is mostly through the glass? > > > > When I search on Google all I find is assertions that microwaves do not > > escape through the > > > There is a manufacturers tolerance level I am sure so a certain amount of > leakage is permissible by law ? > > P uk > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hello, the isolating factor of the shielding of a microwave oven is about 15b dB, which is not much. With an RF meter, at a distance of 4 meters, you will measure quite a lot of RF radiation. ---- Original Message ----- From: <paulpjc@...> < > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Microwave Ovens > > In a message dated 4/11/2008 2:04:48 A.M. GMT Daylight Time, > wbruno@... writes: > > Can anybody point me to info about how microwaves escape from microwave >> ovens? I am presuming it is mostly through the glass? >> >> When I search on Google all I find is assertions that microwaves do not >> escape through the > > > There is a manufacturers tolerance level I am sure so a certain amount of > leakage is permissible by law ? > > P uk > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Forget the heating water too. I used to do that, a dowser friend showed me how my aura shrunk to near nothing from a sip of microwaved water. Microwaving does a lot more than destroy enzymes, apparently. Not much of it good. --- On Thu, 6/26/08, comdyne2002 .....Microwave ovens are tuned to the resonant frequency of water molecules. The vibration set up in sympathy to the physical size of the water molecule is a violent friction just like rubbing your hands together to heat by friction. These ovens are illegal in Russia and should be illegal everywhere. They are very dangerous because the destroy all of the enzymes in food which our bodies require to remain healthy. I only use mine to heat water for tea or coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Try this: Buy 2 identical small side house plants in a nursery. put then near each other in the house. water one of them with regular tap water and the other with microwaved water. Try to keeping all other variables (water amount, water temprature, light etc.) equal as much as possible. Keep this up for 4-5 weeks and then look at the difference between these plants. Take before and after pictures. Gubi [ ] Microwave ovens Forget the heating water too. I used to do that, a dowser friend showed me how my aura shrunk to near nothing from a sip of microwaved water. Microwaving does a lot more than destroy enzymes, apparently. Not much of it good. --- On Thu, 6/26/08, comdyne2002 ....Microwave ovens are tuned to the resonant frequency of water molecules. The vibration set up in sympathy to the physical size of the water molecule is a violent friction just like rubbing your hands together to heat by friction. These ovens are illegal in Russia and should be illegal everywhere. They are very dangerous because the destroy all of the enzymes in food which our bodies require to remain healthy. I only use mine to heat water for tea or coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 We threw out our microwave oven 6 years ago. We don't miss it one bit. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Gubi wrote: > Try this: > Buy 2 identical small side house plants in a nursery. put then near each > other in the house. > water one of them with regular tap water and the other with microwaved > water. > Try to keeping all other variables (water amount, water temprature, light > etc.) equal as much as possible. > Keep this up for 4-5 weeks and then look at the difference between these > plants. > Take before and after pictures. > > Gubi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Have you actually done these experiments? If so, please do post the pictures. Because an investigative team actually did this experiment several times and found there was absolutely no impact on the plants. And by the way -- microwaves are not illegal in Russia -- this is an urban legend. When one is dealing with a life and death issue such as surviving cancer, one does not have the time to follow false leads and end up in dead ends. You know -- I try to avoid microwaves too for general reasons, but to claim bogus " scientific facts " does not help honest investigation. > > Try this: > Buy 2 identical small side house plants in a nursery. put then near each other in the house. > water one of them with regular tap water and the other with microwaved water. > Try to keeping all other variables (water amount, water temprature, light etc.) equal as much as possible. > Keep this up for 4-5 weeks and then look at the difference between these plants. > Take before and after pictures. > > Gubi > [ ] Microwave ovens > > > Forget the heating water too. I used to do that, a dowser friend showed me how my aura shrunk to near nothing from a sip of microwaved water. Microwaving does a lot more than destroy enzymes, apparently. Not much of it good. > > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, comdyne2002 > ....Microwave ovens are tuned to the resonant frequency of water > molecules. The vibration set up in sympathy to the physical size of > the water molecule is a violent friction just like rubbing your hands > together to heat by friction. > These ovens are illegal in Russia and should be illegal everywhere. > They are very dangerous because the destroy all of the enzymes in > food which our bodies require to remain healthy. I only use mine to > heat water for tea or coffee. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Hello jrrjim You are correct, my friend...the plants come out the same. I saw someone doing this once. You can drink the water, just don't stanf near the oven when its on. Mike Friday, June 27, 2008, 8:03:27 AM, you wrote: j> Have you actually done these experiments? If so, please do post the j> pictures. Because an investigative team actually did this experiment j> several times and found there was absolutely no impact on the plants. j> And by the way -- microwaves are not illegal in Russia -- this is an j> urban legend. j> When one is dealing with a life and death issue such as surviving j> cancer, one does not have the time to follow false leads and end up j> in dead ends. You know -- I try to avoid microwaves too for general j> reasons, but to claim bogus " scientific facts " does not help honest j> investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Microwave ovens were outlawed in Russia in 1976. They were re- instated after Perestroika. Currently they are legal to own. goldenmike@... wrote: > Hello jrrjim > You are correct, my friend...the plants come out the same. I saw > someone doing this once. You can drink the water, just don't stanf near the oven when its on. Mike > > Friday, June 27, 2008, 8:03:27 AM, you wrote: > Have you actually done these experiments? If so, please do post the pictures. Because an investigative team actually did this experiment several times and found there was absolutely no impact on the plants. And by the way -- microwaves are not illegal in Russia -- this is an urban legend. > When one is dealing with a life and death issue such as surviving cancer, one does not have the time to follow false leads and end up in dead ends. You know -- I try to avoid microwaves too for general reasons, but to claim bogus " scientific facts " does not help honest investigation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Scepticism is good and healthy to a point. attacking and bashing anything someone puts on the table is extreme form of it, and not necessarily beneficial. This is becuse knowledge can be both fist hand knowledge and second hand knowledge. Most knowledge in this world is of the second kind. I never said in my post that microwaves are illigal in Russia. The type of thing I was discussing hardly seems to me to be along the lines of an advice that will put anyone's health in Jeopardy. The link to the girl's study (I happen to beleive it is authentic and not a fraud) is: http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm pitures and update: http://www.execonn.com/sf/ I appreciate your kindness, Gubi [ ] Microwave ovens > > > Forget the heating water too. I used to do that, a dowser friend showed me how my aura shrunk to near nothing from a sip of microwaved water. Microwaving does a lot more than destroy enzymes, apparently. Not much of it good. > > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, comdyne2002 > ....Microwave ovens are tuned to the resonant frequency of water > molecules. The vibration set up in sympathy to the physical size of > the water molecule is a violent friction just like rubbing your hands > together to heat by friction. > These ovens are illegal in Russia and should be illegal everywhere. > They are very dangerous because the destroy all of the enzymes in > food which our bodies require to remain healthy. I only use mine to > heat water for tea or coffee. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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