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Because wholistic medicine recognizes the cause of disease is from

disharmony it makes sense to clear negative emotional energy. I have

been listening to a Carol Tuttle CD and she uses rapid eye movement

to clear negative energy. I have a friend who did this with a lot of

success and recommends it.

If

>

> Someone wrote and asked me privately about depression yesterday. I

thought I

> would share this with the group since we are on cancer. We lost a

dear

> friend to colon cancer this year. She would not try alternatives.

>

> This woman was an incredible person who spent her life raising

funds for my

> school and Children's Defense Fund. She started community clinics

for people

> in poverty. She suffered from depression and took medication for

it.

>

> There is brand new science out that found every neurotransmitter

in your

> brain is also in your gut. Most doctors don't even know this. It's

discussed

> at autism workshops because many of the children have gut issues.

It

> started me wondering if the medication she was taking for her

brain was

> stealing from her digestive/elimination system.

>

> I asked a fellow who raises money for cancer research (and knew

her) if

> anyone had ever researched if people on depression meds had a

higher

> incidence of cancer of the digestive/elimination systems? His

response was

> " that is a legitimate question, it won't get researched and you

know why. "

>

> Depression can be a serious issue and I'm not saying people should

throw out

> their meds today, but if I personally had depression, I would

change my diet

> and seek out a holistic health professional to help me. The

Pfeiffer

> Treatment Center in Chicago has the largest database in the

country on

> mental health issues. They are expensive and insurance won't

usually pay.

> Dr. Wand houses their nurse at his clinic in Bloomington. I'm

reading Real

> Medicine, Real Health by Dr. Arden and he has some good

information

> on the Pfeiffer Center and mental health issues.

>

> Kathy

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Before we leave this cancer discussion (which I think is one of the most

food-related topics

we could discuss).... I'm DEPRESSED about the state of cancer therapy in the US.

Even more

depressing is how bamboozled the majority of Americans actually are. They

actually

believe the " good news " hogwash being doled out by the government and cancer

societies.

They can't see through the thin magician's veil over the cooked-book

" scientific " studies.

Any person making a conscious choice to take the reins of their own therapeutic

plan is

treated like a PARIAH by their friends, family and the entire medical community.

Families

will take out bank loans to fund your chemotherapy (and subsequent funeral) but

will cut

you off and write you out of the will if you choose to follow " the suicide path

you are on " .

My PERSONAL FEELINGS are as follows

1) We can ALL cite a case or two of people who got better from a cancer

diagnosis with the

conventional approach, giving power to the notion that our thoughts and

expectations can

overpower anything. So can prayer. And good for them. So can people get better

who

never had cancer in the first place (misdiagnosis). We don't talk about that.

2) Everyone here has an uncle that smoked 6 packs a day, drank a gallon of

whiskey a day

and lived to be 100. But, you would be a FOOL to follow their example and expect

the

same results. Yet, the point is, when you get right down to numbers I've seen

100X more

friends and relatives go down the tubes on conventional medicine and the only

real

survivor numbers I've seen come from natural cure (please don't call it

" alternative " it's just

real)

3) Modern cancer therapy, to me, is LOST.

I WOULD NEVER DO IT NOR RECOMMEND IT

A) Oncologists are more interested in " cure " ($$$$$$$) than prevention (0$)

B) Virtually all research $$$ is to find the " magic bullet " cure to sell

($$$$$)

---Try to get a real nutrition/cancer study funded (vs. a stem cell

grant, say)

C) They are hardly curing anyone. The ones that get better either did it with

their thoughts and prayers OR never had cancer in the first place

(misdiagnosed)

D) Almost all the studies that show improvement in cure rates are manipulated

figures

E) They throw out 5 years as a " survivor " and then you are off the books

F) Early detection makes it appear that you lived longer

G) Most detection techniques either cause or spread the cancer (xrays, needle

biopsies

exploratories, lumpectomy, bulk reduction, mastectomy, node removal,

mammogram)

H) They paint your diagnosis bleak. That way if you live they take credit, if

you die

they brag about how accurate and smart they are.

I) the only people they are " curing " have a simpler cancer like leukemia,

they zap that

then many of these people die of a hideous deep cancer after the 5 year

survivor

category window.

J) Worst of all, they rob you of hope, rape your mind of any chance of

survival and

usually cause the patient to die right on their doomsday schedule.

K) Likewise, they will do everything in their power to undermine your

interest or desire

in nutrition, herbs, homeopathy, or other self cures (the Brunetti way).

By poo-pooing

methodologies they know nothing about they destroy your hope.

L) Successful programs in other countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany,

England,

and even countries like Mexico and Caribbean islands.

M) Hospital Food. Need I say more?

4) Because of the items I listed about, I would NEVER give money nor support

such bogus

organizations as the American Cancer Society, the Breast Cancer Foundation or

other

similar organizations. Most of the billions they've squandered goes to fat cat

executives

anyway, but the rest just goes to research looking for magic bullets and stupid

high-tech

cures that will never be available to anyone other than the rich.

5) As proof, cancer death rates are SKYROCKETING in the US. By 2020, perhaps

sooner, it

will become the #1 killer in the US.

OK, I feel beter now, shall we get back to the other forms of DEPRESSION?

WILL

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Interesting, especially when you think that lots of kids on Ritalin have no

appetite and

have to periodically have a " med vacation " in order to catch up on their eatting

and

growing.

Lynn

>

> There is brand new science out that found every neurotransmitter in your

> brain is also in your gut. Most doctors don't even know this. It's discussed

> at autism workshops because many of the children have gut issues. It

> started me wondering if the medication she was taking for her brain was

> stealing from her digestive/elimination system.

>

> I asked a fellow who raises money for cancer research (and knew her) if

> anyone had ever researched if people on depression meds had a higher

> incidence of cancer of the digestive/elimination systems? His response was

> " that is a legitimate question, it won't get researched and you know why. "

> Kathy

>

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Al,

Magnesium for major depression:

http://george-eby-research.com/

see the articles on the left side.

Pat

albertrhurt wrote:

Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression

has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than

lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

through natural methods.

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Maybe you are lacking in nutritional good fats.

Raw avocados, raw nuts, raw milk, raw coconut meat, raw durian.

You can even get raw fat or cooked fat of organic cows from the fats of

steaks, bone marrow, brain.

albertrhurt wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression

> has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than

> lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

> through natural methods.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Al

>

>

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Hi:

You need to rush out and find The Omega 3 Connection by L. Stoll, M.D.

,Director Psychopharmacology Research Laboratory, McLean Hospital Faculty,

Harvard Medical School.

Stoll offers a lot of evidence about Omega-3 being of great benefit in

depression control.

Additionally, let me suggest that having cancer is an assault on our body and

mind and in due time, when you begin to take control of your own care you will

begin to overcome this state of depression. Using the works of people such as

Stoll will help you do this naturally. Try Amazon for a good buy on this

book. This could very well be another tool in your battle over cancer as well

as giving your brain what it needs to make depression a thing of the past for

you.

Good luck,

Joe C.

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In a message dated 2/1/08 8:14:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, limos99@...

writes:

> EFT is really good for all emotional and physical issues

Can you please refresh the sequence for tapping? I haven't done it in a long

time and I forgot what the pattern is.

Also, is there EFT for dogs and if so, what is the tapping pattern?

Thanks,

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Al

Step outside and stay there. The sunshine and fresh air will provide

you with lots of vitamin D. Also, use fish oil.

GB

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression

> has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other

than

> lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

> through natural methods.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Al

>

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Hi AL:

I would just mention to you that we use depression to name a whole bunch of

feelings...Why are you depressed?

How do you know you are depressed? Are you sad? tired? without illusion? No

motivation?

Are you scared, or are you angry at having had to go thru whatever life has

given you?

So I would first see what I feel and then look remedies up. I think 2

things that can really help out are Flower essences and EFT.

EFT is really good for all emotional and physical issues, I started

doing it because of my relapse for breast cancer...and it has really worked

well. There is an EFT site at http://www.emofree.com

Take a look at it, maybe it can help you.

I still think however, or biggest problem is we address illnesses as

entities in themselves, and not people going thru a process..

So if you can figure out what you call depression and where it is coming from,

maybe you can get relief from it in a way that suits you... I do not believe

everything suits evryone..

That is my opinion . HOpe some of it may help you a bit.

Lil

> albertrhurt wrote:

>Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression

has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than

lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

through natural methods.

Thanks, Al

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Hi, Al.

By no means do I mean to read your mind, nor do I mean any harm or

insult by what I am going to say. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it

does not, and it certainly may not, as there are certainly depressed

people whom it would not fit, then it is still worth knowing.

I suffered from depression for many years, and I know, certainly,

that a goodly portion of the depression came from being much too

concerned about myself---from being too self-absorbed, from not

caring enough about others, not reaching out to other people and not

trying to do enough good for others.

Obviously, Al, I have no idea in this world what is going on with

you, who you are, where you live, who you live with, etc, etc. So

again, it is not a diagnosis, much less an accusation I am making. It

is simply stating something I have found was true in myself and that

I believe is true for many other depressed or otherwise mentally

affected people.

Something else: There is a direct link between depression and cancer:

That is, depression can help to cause cancer. Why? Because depression

depresses not only a person's thoughts; it also depresses his immune

system. Furthermore, it depresses his breathing, and we know that a

body that is not sufficiently oxygenated is more likely to develop

cancer than one that is. Finally, a depressed person tends to be more

sedentary and to exercise less than someone who is not depressed, so

there is less lymphatic flow in a depressed person.

Too often alternative health people immediately begin recommending

this herb or that food to counteract depression, without any

consideration regarding the personality and behavior of the person

who is depressed.

Again, if this is of any help, wonderful. If it is not, I still think

it is something worth knowing.

Best wishes and best of health,

Elliot

> Although I have been in remission for several years lately

depression

> has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other

than

> lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

> through natural methods.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Al

>

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Also St 's Wort is great.

Re: [ ] Cancer and Depression

Al,

Magnesium for major depression:

http://george-eby-research.com/

see the articles on the left side.

Pat

albertrhurt wrote:

Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression

has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than

lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board

through natural methods.

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I'm a colon cancer survivor (Stage 4) and would not have made it if it

weren't for all of people who's livesI've touched. I also have a full

time job as a Recruiter and it is very demanding of my time. What I do

is help sick people in our neighborhood by taking them food, going to

the kids' games, recitals and activities and this makes them really love

and appreciate me. Believe it or not, I never got depressed while going

thru the cancer and chemo ordeal, which lasted for 9 months. Now, I

have a very bad case of neuropathy in both feet and even with this, I'm

not depressed. I thank God every day for being alive and it's the small

things you do for people that makes a difference. The best therapy in

the world for any illness is to surrounded by people who care about you.

I live in Georgia and most of my family lives in other cities. My

neighbors and co-workers are my substitute family and I consider them to

be my angels. Just try to reach out to others and it will make your

life happier.

Joyce

From: Al Hurt

Thanks for the advice. I do not have a whole lot of time on my hands to

do volunteer work. I get up at 5:00 am in the morning and go to work at

6:30. I return home at 5:30 in the evening and exercise a little, make

dinner and go to sleep at 9:00.

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