A few questions

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this group.

I would like to try the liver flush, but wonder if anyone has done it without

first doing a parasite cleansing first?

I have slight pain right side and about a year ago, had a gall bladder

attack.

Now have a frozen shoulder to work out with excruciating pain....have seen an

Ortho and doing stretching exercises.

Any help and suggestions would greatly be appreciated!

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I was told I had gallstones and pancreatitis after an emergency admittance to

hospital last Christmas. The docs insist that I should have surgery for gb

removal. I don't want this as I had problems with the drugs in an earlier op,

which was very scary. However, the consultant told me the other week during a

appointment prompted by my GP, that when you have pancreatitis you have a one

in ten chance of dying, so the best thing to do is to have the gb taken out.

My stones, he said,are small but this is worse than having larger ones, as

they can travel all over the place and cause problems, as in my pancreatitis.

From info on this site, I always thought that small stones were better than

large for flushing purposes, as they are easier to get out. He is another who

says that flushing, etc is ineffective and awaits the first case to be presented

whereby flushing, etc cures one of gallstones completely.

When I became ill I did my own research, found this site and sorted out

myself with diet, supplements and Chinese herbs, which stopped the pain and

helped

me get on with things. I used my common sense and use appropriate supplements,

herbs and info from this site which help enormously. Now, as long as I

watch my lifestyle, although I am no angel, I rarely get problems. However, I

haven't tried a flush yet as I didn't until recently know the size of the

stones.

I did plan to do one, though, if possible.

Has anyone been in a similar situation with having had pancreatitis and who

has managed to hang on to their gb? I get the feeling that I will be medically

" blacklisted " as I have backed out of two ops now. My own GP is pushing for

the op. I don't want the op as I have children who need me and if anything

went wrong...there would be no-one else for them. The consultant says I should

have it for this reason, to safeguard against the pancreatitis reappearing. I

won't be pushed into or scare-mongered into the op; I want to make an informed

decision so I'd just like to know if anyone out there has managed to keep

pancreatitis at bay, got rid of their gallstones, kept their gb and felt healthy

and normal.

[Guest guest]

, before I moved to this area no one ever told me that they had

had their gall-bladder removed. But when we moved here (Idaho)

suddenly I met several young people who had already had their gall-

bladder removed! I was rather shocked and figured it must be the

favorite surgery of the doctors in town. Then when I was told that I

had gall-stones I started doing research on it and I still kind of

think it's some doctors' favorite way of bringing in a little extra

cash.

You absolutely HAVE TO do your own research. Ask your doctor where he

got his statistics for his 1 in 10 dying from pancreatitis -- get the

name of the book or magazine, the article, the chapter, the page

numbers, get him to give you as much information as you can. Find out

how often pancreatitis reoccurs in patience with a history of at

least one episode of pancreatitis. Check out herbs that are natural

anti-inflamatories and anti-bacterial remedies that might be able to

help you avoid this problem.

ASK around! Find out the real statistics on your risk of death from

gall-bladder surgery. Talk to people who have had their gall-bladders

removed and see how it has changed their lives. Find support people --

natural health practitioners who can lead you to information about

alternative remedies.

I may have gall-stones, but I'm keeping my gall-bladder as long as I

can. I don't believe in having anything removed that works at all!

The cleanses aren't bad, except for the taste, and they give me a

feeling of power over my own health. That's a good thing, especially

when we have families to take care of.

Luci

> Hello all,

>

> I was told I had gallstones and pancreatitis after an emergency

admittance to

> hospital last Christmas. The docs insist that I should have

surgery for gb

> removal. I don't want this as I had problems with the drugs in an

earlier op,

> which was very scary. However, the consultant told me the other

week during a

> appointment prompted by my GP, that when you have pancreatitis you

have a one

> in ten chance of dying, so the best thing to do is to have the gb

taken out.

> My stones, he said,are small but this is worse than having larger

ones, as

> they can travel all over the place and cause problems, as in my

pancreatitis.

> From info on this site, I always thought that small stones were

better than

> large for flushing purposes, as they are easier to get out. He is

another who

> says that flushing, etc is ineffective and awaits the first case to

be presented

> whereby flushing, etc cures one of gallstones completely.

> When I became ill I did my own research, found this site and sorted

out

> myself with diet, supplements and Chinese herbs, which stopped the

pain and helped

> me get on with things. I used my common sense and use appropriate

supplements,

> herbs and info from this site which help enormously. Now, as long

as I

> watch my lifestyle, although I am no angel, I rarely get problems.

However, I

> haven't tried a flush yet as I didn't until recently know the size

of the stones.

> I did plan to do one, though, if possible.

> Has anyone been in a similar situation with having had pancreatitis

and who

> has managed to hang on to their gb? I get the feeling that I will

be medically

> " blacklisted " as I have backed out of two ops now. My own GP is

pushing for

> the op. I don't want the op as I have children who need me and if

anything

> went wrong...there would be no-one else for them. The consultant

says I should

> have it for this reason, to safeguard against the pancreatitis

reappearing. I

> won't be pushed into or scare-mongered into the op; I want to make

an informed

> decision so I'd just like to know if anyone out there has managed

to keep

> pancreatitis at bay, got rid of their gallstones, kept their gb and

felt healthy

> and normal.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alisa,

Welcome to the list.

I don't think Hulda is nuts I can see why you may...

She is on the cutting edge of research and the doctors don't know

anything that is not a minimum of 10-15 years later than the initial

research (some of what they could know is at least 100 years after

the initial promising research and still is not " mainstream " ).

Hulda has found that sick people are showing up with an inordinate

amount of chemical pollutants in them. Mainstream medicine does not

have an " approved " non-invasive way of testing organs and other

tissue for chemical pollution, Hulda has a way. This epidimic of

internal stored chemical pollution is a new thing in the human race

because modern technology has created an environment in which we

breath, drink, eat, and absorb through our skin chemicals every day

all day... she finds that where ever there is a concentration of

stored chemicals in our bodies, the cells don't work right to stay

strong and healthy. This overtaxes our immune system. This allows

parasites to thrive in numbers and locations that they couldn't in a

healthy body. She finds that all cancer patients are full of

parasites. The " relative " success of chemo (when it doesn't

outright kill the patient) may have more to do with killing the

parasites than with killing the cancer. Parasites create a toxic

environment to further overtax the immune system and destroy the

cell health. This is a sickness causing downward cycle. Hulda can

test for all types of parasites and chemicals in all locations of

the body. Modern medicine cannot. Hulda can detox the body in safe

health restoring ways. Modern medicine cannot. Hulda can safely

kill parasites in the entire body without chemicals. Modern

medicine cannot. Maybe in 20-100 years they'll catch up? Who

knows...

I don't plan on moving into a bubble, but I am trying to find ways

of cleaning up my environment and body as I live from day to day.

I've got Hulda to thank for braving the wrath of the establishment

to allow me to make more informed decisions about my health. What

she has to say makes sense to me, and my experience has born out her

conclusions.

Vince

> first one is for tony - why coffee? I stopped putting it in my

mouth

> so why should i put it in my colon? I assume there is some

benefit

> over using warm water, please share.

>

> second, I bought clark's book and started reading it, and honestly

> she sounds pretty nuts to me. I was going to build the zapper and

> use it anyway before i did the cleanse because i don't

particularly

> like feeling ill. When I asked my doctor about it (His practice

is

> titled Alternacare, he's a little to the left of mainstream) he

> rolled his eyes and handed me a case study that I believe was

> published in WDDTY and had a similar cleansing recipe. I'm just

> curious as to who here has actually tried the " zapper " and if you

> feel it gave you a better cleansing experience. I'm starting the

> apple juice for my first cleanse tomorrow so i think i'll sift

> through the archives tonight.

>

> thanks, elisa

[Guest guest]

> first one is for tony - why coffee? I stopped putting it in my

mouth

> so why should i put it in my colon? I assume there is some

benefit

> over using warm water, please share.

>

Hi ,

I'm not Tony, but here's a link for more info on coffee enemas.

This has been discussed on this and other alt-health lists

extensively and the effect of coffee is totally different from an

enema than from drinking it. The coffee in an enema recirculates

from the colon to the blood and to the liver without going all

through the rest of your body...

http://www.ralphmoss.com/coff.html

Here's an excerpt:

" It is the liver and small bowel which neutralize the most common

tissue toxins: polyamines, ammonia, toxic-bound nitrogen, and

electrophiles. These detoxification systems are probably enhanced by

the coffee enema. Physiological Chemistry and Physics has stated

that " caffeine enemas cause dilation of bile ducts, which

facilitates excretion of toxic cancer breakdown products by the

liver and dialysis of toxic products across the colonic wall. "

In addition, theophylline and theobromine (two other chemicals in

coffee) dilate blood vessels and counter inflammation of the gut;

the palmitates enhance the enzyme system responsible for the removal

of toxic free radicals from the serum; and the fluid of the enema

then stimulates the visceral nervous system to promote peristalsis

and the transit of diluted toxic bile from the duodenum and out the

rectum.

Since the enema is generally held for 15 minutes, and all the blood

in the body passes through the liver every three minutes, " these

enemas represent a form of dialysis of blood across the gut wall "

(Healing Newsletter, #13, May-June, 1986) " .

Vince

[Guest guest]

,

That's great that your GP is open to herbs! What did he/she

recommend?

Thanks,

Vince

> You apparently did not read my message very well. *I* told my

doctor

> (actually 2 of them, my regular one and my gastroenterologist)

that I

> absolutely did not want surgery and wanted to try a cleanse. They

> were both supportive and the GP recommended some herbal

supplements.

> I got no prescriptions at that visit (my first with this new

doctor)

> because they want to see how the cleanse goes first.

[Guest guest]

lessee, one is called " Liver support Factors " and is made by a

company called BioChem. it contains B6 calcium, zinc, L-methionine,

milk thistle, barberry, buplerum, taurine, inositol, atrichoke, etc.

many other things The other is called Liv. 52 and is made by

Himalaya ProSelect. I can give you a full list of the contents if you

like. They don't contain any of the herbs Dr. suggested so i

may try to find some of those when i get another paycheck. Oddly

enough (to me at least) some of her recommended liver herbs are in

the parasite formula that i found and have been taking for a little

over a week.

So for the past few days i've been chugging apple juice, but had to

stop early because all the acid was creating sores in my mouth.

Today I ate only breakfast, I've recently taken my first dose of

epsom salts, and I drink the oil w/ lemon tonight. I'm REALLY

looking forward to seeing what happens tomorrow. I also know that

that comment would sound weird to most people that are not on this

list. Wish me luck with my first cleanse!

-elisa

" Vince Richter " <new_man85@h...>

> That's great that your GP is open to herbs! What did he/she

> recommend?

[Guest guest]

You have a good doctor I've found overlap in the groups of herbs

for liver and parasites too. A lot of bowel cleanse herb

preparations have parasite herbs included also. Let us know how

your flush goes. With all your preparation, it should get great

results...

Vince

> lessee, one is called " Liver support Factors " and is made by a

> company called BioChem. it contains B6 calcium, zinc, L-

methionine,

> milk thistle, barberry, buplerum, taurine, inositol, atrichoke,

etc.

> many other things The other is called Liv. 52 and is made by

> Himalaya ProSelect. I can give you a full list of the contents if

you

> like. They don't contain any of the herbs Dr. suggested so i

> may try to find some of those when i get another paycheck. Oddly

> enough (to me at least) some of her recommended liver herbs are in

> the parasite formula that i found and have been taking for a

little

> over a week.

>

> So for the past few days i've been chugging apple juice, but had

to

> stop early because all the acid was creating sores in my mouth.

> Today I ate only breakfast, I've recently taken my first dose of

> epsom salts, and I drink the oil w/ lemon tonight. I'm REALLY

> looking forward to seeing what happens tomorrow. I also know that

> that comment would sound weird to most people that are not on this

> list. Wish me luck with my first cleanse!

>

> -elisa

> " Vince Richter " <new_man85@h...>

>

> > That's great that your GP is open to herbs! What did he/she

> > recommend?