Re: Based on The Hidden Story Of Cancer

[Guest guest]

You wrote: " For anyone who did not get the copy of my resource based on The

Hidden Story of Cancer...I just learned about this and also wanted to make it

available by the link... "

>

I read some of what was on the link and it looks like they are saying the lack

of Essential Fatty Acids are the reason for cancer. Is this correct? It was a

lot to read so skipped over some things. Is the information saying that fish

oil is not something we should be taking? What is it that we need to do to get

the EFAs into our diet. I saw that animals fats were in there.

What is the bottom line on what is best and not so good? Or, do I have to buy

the book?

Just need a few facts,

Thanks,

Lois

[Guest guest]

We regularly read about ‘The Cause of Cancer’ and I for one won’t accept

an ‘only cause’ for most things I including cancer. So many of the things

we read about causing cancer are very important and have ‘causal

relationships’ with cancer development. I use the term ‘development’

because that, according to some, is all about cancer. Some, and it makes sense

if the thought is examined, believe cancer is an ‘End Stage’ pathology the

end not meaning death, but that it is the final result of the assault on our

body. That assault may very well be all that is contained in The Hidden Story

or the New German theory involving stress or, perhaps these are just steps along

the way.

Even a knife stuck in someone’s chest is not the cause of death...........it

is the bleeding or other aspect of a result of the knife such as damage to the

heart muscle etc... Sure, that is a bit of semantics but let’s face it not

everyone dies when a knife is stuck in someone’s chest any more than not

everyone exposed to carcinogenic develops cancer. None of what I am saying

is meant to detract from the importance of sound living practices or much of the

advice found in a lot of what is given us through the sincere list members.

It just seems that we need to think more deeply about the causes of all disease

and not get locked into one enemy. Some of these theories about cancer may

simply be the path cancer takes and not the actual cause...........just some of

the results of the pathology...............eventually leading to cancer.

Joe C..

From: Lois Fischer

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Based on The Hidden Story Of Cancer

You wrote: " For anyone who did not get the copy of my resource based on The

Hidden Story of Cancer...I just learned about this and also wanted to make it

available by the link... "

>

I read some of what was on the link and it looks like they are saying the lack

of Essential Fatty Acids are the reason for cancer. Is this correct? It was a

lot to read so skipped over some things. Is the information saying that fish oil

is not something we should be taking? What is it that we need to do to get the

EFAs into our diet. I saw that animals fats were in there.

What is the bottom line on what is best and not so good? Or, do I have to buy

the book?

Just need a few facts,

Thanks,

Lois

[Guest guest]

study all those links etc...there is plenty there...The bottom line we all need

omega 6/3 in the correct ratio...you can purchase them yourself or purchase them

already mixed...lack of oxygen to the cells is the cause of cancer accouring to

the research of Dr Warburg...

[Guest guest]

No fish oil, not good for you...never...

[Guest guest]

There are secondary causes all lead back to the main cause and that is lack of

oxygen to the cells....Its the fact...

comes out of medical school text books....in Physiology and Biochemistry...never

been proven wrong..and never will...Its that simple...According to Peskin

People want to make it more complicated than it is and the most lettered have a

problem with it...

[Guest guest]

Lois Fischer <LoisFischer46@...> wrote:

<<Hidden Story of Cancer...looks like they are saying the lack of Essential

Fatty Acids are the reason for cancer. Is this correct?>>

(I haven't read the book, but just answering from my knowledge of cancer)

Lack of omega 3 and excess omega 6 is a substantial factor in the development of

cancer.

>What is it that we need to do to get the EFAs into our diet.

The vast majority of people take insufficient omega 3, and virtually everyone

gets way too much omega 6 (polyunsaturated linoleic acid).

High-quality (e.g., nordicnaturals.com, CarlsonLabs.com) fish oil and/or cod

liver oil is beneficial for the vast majority of people, particularly those

w/cancer.

Vastly reduce intake of omega 6 (cottonseed, soy, corn, and safflower) oils.

Also switching to grass-fed animals products.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Doesn't our daily foods like grain/nuts etc. we eat already have lots omega 6 so

by mixing correct ratio of 6/3 our body will still have more Omega 6 than 3? So

our daily food consumptions will have come into play too, right?  That will make

things complicate to measure. 

....The bottom line we all need omega 6/3 in the correct ratio...you can purchase

them yourself or purchase them already mixed...lack of oxygen to the cells is

the cause of cancer accouring to the research of Dr Warburg...

[Guest guest]

Good point Helen. I've read almost everything Peskin has written, and

Sidaust's reference is a great compendium.

The important points that Peskin makes regarding your question are along these

lines:

1. Its the adulterated o-6 that is first of all very important to get out of

your diet. Omit processed foods. Don't eat in restaurants. Don't buy salad oils

or salad dressings from the store. These foods will all have adulterated seed

oils in them if they have any oil at all. Just about no commercial food is every

prepared with lard or butter any longer for instance.

2. It will take 16 to 18 weeks of omitting these foods before your cells will be

close to full restoration of healthy omega-6 that will allow full oxygenation.

This is because it takes that long for a cell, on average, to die and for the

generation of a new cell to take its place. When a cell dies, its material will

be reused to some degree, but Peskin says that new omega-6 will be used in

its cell walls, so if you have healthy o-6 available, you will have a full

functioning cell again. Remember, this 16 to 18 weeks is an average. Blood cells

can be replaced every 4-6 weeks. Brain cells last a lifetime!

3. You will get the healthy omega-6 from the healthy foods you eat, just as you

always have. But its important to JUST eat the healthy ones. Just as all your

cells have omega-6, all other animal and plant cells have omega-6 and omega-3.

And if you eat a variety of foods, I believe you will have a good balance. I say

" I believe " because Peskin neither says this or denies it. He does focus

on supplements to get " the correct ratio " . But AS YOU SAY, we also get these

oils from all food. The only reason to supplement is if you thought you were not

getting enough. Personally, I eat some walnuts several times a week, and make my

own mayonnaise and salad dressing from organic, cold-pressed walnut oil (it has

about 2.5 times as much o-6 as o-3) so I don't take any supplements. But I think

you will get a good blend if you just eat lots of raw and lightly cooked food.

4. We as a species have always been healthy as to our hearts, diabetes, and

cancer, until the last century. Then the polyunsaturated oils were introduced

into commercial use and they were modified to give them longer shelf life. That

is where the problem started. If we omit them from the diet, and stick to a

healthy diet, these problems will diminish. Yes, we still have toxins and

radiation and stress like never before. Peskin claims these are secondary causes

of cancer though, and if we rid our diet of the adulterated oils, cancer will

not take hold. And, it goes without saying, if you already have cancer, you want

to follow these guidelines to help prevent metastasis. The consideration of oils

is not going to kill cancer necessarily, but if done right it can prevent any

more cells from falling victim to cancer. Diets that stress avoiding sugars, and

many other things are probably more crucial to actually starving the cancer that

already exists.

So the final thing I have to say to answer your question about considering all

the foods eaten when trying to balance o-6:o-3 is that its more important to rid

our diet of unhealthy oils. The balancing will take care of itself as it always

has if we eat just healthy foods. We've survived for eons without a

" omega-6:omega-3 scale " ! Different meats contain different amounts. Range fed

beef has a more normal ratio than grain fed beef which ends up being too low in

omega-3. But different cuts of meat are very different in content. Skin has

almost no omega-3. Muscle has a o-6:o-3 ratio of about 6:1. Fat is about 20:1.

Organ meat 4:1. But brain is 100:1. These are the ratios in our own bodies, but

it shows you that it can vary in animals also. If you want to supplement, go

ahead. Personally, I think it is sufficient to just eat healthy foods and avoid

unhealthy ones. I don't worry about balancing my omega's because, as you say,

that would be a worrisome chore! Best of Health to you.

>

> ...The bottom line we all need omega 6/3 in the correct ratio...you can

purchase them yourself or purchase them already mixed...lack of oxygen to the

cells is the cause of cancer accouring to the research of Dr Warburg...

>

[Guest guest]

I think you have a very good point Joe. To summarize: " Lack of oxygen to the

cell causes cancer -- only a theory. The true cause may be conditions such as

stress or chemical exposure. Once you have one of these conditions, the cell is

oxygen deprived, then you have cancer. Therefore, the cause is not the food we

eat (relative to fatty acids anyway) but the toxins of some type, or stress, or

gene damage, etc. "

I hope that is a good summary. I tend to hope also that there might be some

other proven primary causes of cancer, as many toxins and living conditions have

been correlated with higher incidences of cancer in various populations, so that

these toxins, etc. are now highly suspect. I wish we would not be left with just

the idea that only the adulteration of oils in our diets is the primary cause of

cancer via cells being starved for oxygen. So far, that is all Peskin has

come up with. And so far, the fixing of that one issue is all that the Budwig

diet relies on to make great improvements in cancer patients' conditions. I

think both these protocols are working more on theory than proven fact. It is

true that 100% of the time that you deprive a cell of 35% of its oxygen for a

period of time, it will turn cancerous. That was proven over and over by Otto

Warburg. But what I think was never proven was that there is only one way to

starve a cell of oxygen. Peskin says this is only via contamination of the

parent omega-6 in the cell wall to such a degree that it can no longer attract

oxygen in from the red blood cell in the outside capillary.

I admit to being a " newbie " as you call us on this group. I've just done a

search of all posts ever made on this site that had " cause of cancer " in the

body of the message and reviewed the summaries of the messages. What I came up

with as primary causes were " stress, diet and toxins (from a Dr. Ross) " , also

" failure of the immune system " , " physical trauma " , " mineral deficiencies (iodine

for one) " , " micro-organisms: Progenitor cryptocides & Bacillus Licheniformis " ,

" longstanding resentment " , " gene mutation " , " mushrooms " , " medicines " , " protein

metabolism deficiencies " , " lack of knowledge " (sorry, it was really there, May

30th 1999!).

Since the search facility can only take me so far, what I'd like to ask one of

you veterans, is if you can lead me to research that shows some proof for what

might be a primary cause of cancer. Just so I myself can protect myself from

this cause? And if it can be encapsulated, perhaps we can have it preserved in

the FILES section by the moderator, so whenever a newbie asks a question, or

initiates a discussion that has already been hashed out to the degree that the

answer is known to most veterans, then the newbie can just be pointed to the

FILES section and they can come up to date. Right now there are some

treatment protocols in the FILES section, but I see nothing on CAUSES of cancer.

At this time, all I know is that as of 1930 Otto Warburg's proved that lack of

cellular oxygen causes cancer, and Peskin claims that for sure the cell

can be starved of oxygen by giving it enough adulterated omega-6 fatty acid to

keep the cell from being able to bring in oxygen, and the cell will turn

cancerous. And Johanna Budwig has been successfully treating cancer patients per

approximately that same theory since before Peskin did his experiments. So those

two seem to assume that if you just get the cell wall to work in a healthy

manner, you can avoid cancer, regardless of the stresses, toxins and other

causes that the patient might have been exposed to. What I am looking for is a

practitioner who has been working successfully with cancer patients who bases

the treatment on a DIFFERENT theory of primary cause of cancer, and a CLEAR

STATEMENT of that theory.

I appreciate any help I can get on this subject. It doesn't have to be just from

JoeCastron.