Cancer vaccines

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what would the dosage of beta glucan be for an agressive cancer/compared to

reccomended dosage?

Thanks...........

A VERY LOVING DAUGHTER IN NW INDIANA>>>>>KATHIE

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From: " V Gammill " <ygammil1@...>

Date sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:56:47 -0800

Subject: CANCER VACCINES

>I do not permit my own kids to be =

> vaccinated with the commercial organomercury-containing vaccines.

Hi,

The greatest crime in human history (according to me) is the global

use

of vaccines contaminated with lethal variant CJD; many USA vaccines are in this

category.

> Paspat, a commercial vaccine it can stimulate an immune response

What is your opinion of the use of the immune stimulant Beta Glucan +

Vitamin

C. as a cancer vaccine? It will produce an immune response greater than any

other

immune stimulant and is non toxic.

Beta Glucan also it results in higher blood serum levels of Tumor Necrosis

Factor (TNF) in the blood. TNF is so named because it causes Tumors to necrotise

or

shrink, TNF also causes some inflammation. Also helps natural killer cells to

target

and kill cancer cells that it otherwise would not be able to identify or kill.

(Vetvika et al)

> Other tricks are commonly used to get an immune response that is 10-20 fold

greater =

> than one would anticipate from a vaccine.

A 30 fold increase in immune cell levels has been reported with the

L-selenomethionine (selenium) + Vitamin E combination in animal models.

Spirulina component Phycocyanin has been shown to emulate the effects of

erythropoetin and stimulate the progenitor cells to greatly increase production

of

immune cells and red blood cells.

moonbeam

[Guest guest]

Moonbeam,

In answer to your questions, selenomethione with vitamin E is very

helpful for prevention of certain chemoinduced cancers, but lymphocyte

responses are transient and with the higher doses, paradoxical. For cancer

treatment they are worthless. To the contrary you can suppress certain

autoimmune disorders with the combination.

As to beta glucans, there are many, many different variations. I can't

give you a definitive answer at this time. As to inducing TNF, you have to

be careful. Sometimes you can cause massive hemorrhaging in the tumor.

As to the spirulina, it is a good supplement, but so many of these

things don't actually increase production of blood components, they simply

induce differentiation of stem cells. After the stem cell reserve is spent

there is a latency period during which production falls. I have seen this

in myelodysplastic disorders.

CANCER VACCINES

>

>

> >I do not permit my own kids to be =

> > vaccinated with the commercial organomercury-containing vaccines.

>

> Hi,

> The greatest crime in human history (according to me) is the

global use

> of vaccines contaminated with lethal variant CJD; many USA vaccines are in

this

> category.

>

>

> > Paspat, a commercial vaccine it can stimulate an immune response

>

> What is your opinion of the use of the immune stimulant Beta Glucan +

Vitamin

> C. as a cancer vaccine? It will produce an immune response greater than

any other

> immune stimulant and is non toxic.

> Beta Glucan also it results in higher blood serum levels of Tumor

Necrosis

> Factor (TNF) in the blood. TNF is so named because it causes Tumors to

necrotise or

> shrink, TNF also causes some inflammation. Also helps natural killer cells

to target

> and kill cancer cells that it otherwise would not be able to identify or

kill.

> (Vetvika et al)

>

> > Other tricks are commonly used to get an immune response that is 10-20

fold greater =

> > than one would anticipate from a vaccine.

>

> A 30 fold increase in immune cell levels has been reported with the

> L-selenomethionine (selenium) + Vitamin E combination in animal models.

>

> Spirulina component Phycocyanin has been shown to emulate the effects

of

> erythropoetin and stimulate the progenitor cells to greatly increase

production of

> immune cells and red blood cells.

>

> moonbeam

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in more discussions on vaccines.

Thanks,

Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

CANCER VACCINES

List,

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about what a vaccine is or is not, and what it can be expected to do. First of all I must say that I am a big fan of certain vaccines as I see them work every day when nothing else will. Can I prove it? No, and I'm not particularly interested in proofs either. Well, , what kind of science is that??? I'll tell you. It is heuristic patient-oriented medicine, not research-oriented medicine. Patients don't care if double-blind cross-over studies have been conducted. They just want to know if it is going to work and if it has any side effects. Any physician or clinic can legally make their own vaccines. Any patient can legally make his/her own vaccine. For example, there are many patients who have self-treated MS with bee stings, there are cancer patients who have let mosquitos transmit vivax malaria to themselves as a vaccine treatment for cancer. There are many such instances in arcane medical books where even thorns from certain plants will effectively cure various diseases when the "victim" is inadvertently impaled. The whole tradition of variolation began with the snorting of powdered pox scabs. Vaccines can be administered by insufflation, by mouth, by injection, and by abraiding the skin. Nature saw fit to evolve many natural methods for us to defend ourselves from noxious antigens both before and after contact.

Commercial vaccines are usually prophylactic vaccines. They do have their occasional uses. If I see a need for such a vaccine I would make my own. Most modern vaccines are of mediocre design and include components that should never be included in a vaccine. I do not permit my own kids to be vaccinated with the commercial organomercury-containing vaccines. I have little sympathy for the gullible parents whose children now have autism, asthma and so many of the auto-immune disorders. I would save my tears for all the poor children whose parents march in lockstep to the dictates and recommendations of government and the pharmaceutical industry.

Many cancer vaccines have been used in Tijuana. The very cheapest has to be Paspat, a commercial vaccine. Injections have been used every day or two and it can stimulate an immune response for a couple of months before it stops working. I would suspect that it has mercury and have never recommended it for cancer.

Coley toxins have been used as vaccines, but their real use is the induction of a febrile response. Whatever efficacy it has is probably due to an endotoxin-TNF response. The same can be done by injection of live pertussis into a tumor. Of course there is the risk of collapse of several organ systems.

Many other vaccines are used such as a nocardia vaccine from Germany. These typically induce a para-immunity or a heterophile type immune response. These do have a history of efficacy. Others such as Pend-Avi and Newcastle are live viruses. They can be administered through injection or through nose-drops. They are also effective, but a little pricey. I do think the cost of production does justify the cost. Other live viruses and bacteria have been used but with less effectiveness.

The mycoplasma vaccines that are used in Tijuana are all the offspring of Dr. Scheidel. He still visits this side of the pond from time to time. He is a very revered old man. He taught Dr. Issels and all the other makers of mycoplasma vaccine how to do it. The process is simple. Of course there are those in TJ who would feel very hostile that I don't keep such things secret, but Dr. Scheidel himself never kept it secret. There are several variations, but typically up to 100 cc blood is drawn, preserved with sodium citrate, spun, filtered, incubated, acidified, spun, filtered, neutalized, and put in sterile vials. Most clinics/docs who sell it try to glorify it in some fashion. It can be purchased retail for as little as $1,200 to as much as $16,000 at a US clinic that gets this autologous vaccine made in Tijuana. Administration of this vaccine is through IM injections usually over several months. The rationale is that cancer is often strongly associated with mycoplasma (causative? epiphenomenon?) so, if this bacteria without a rigid cell wall goes, so will the cancer. It does seem helpful with perhaps half the patients. I have a strong hunch that the near future will bring much better ways of dealing with mycoplasma. Perhaps the biggest clue is that the government has tried to stop several pharmaceutical companies from researching and developing cures for mycoplasma. Don't forget that mycoplasma are very convenient carriers of the gene payloads favored by the guys at Fort Dietrick. For an eye-opening book read "AIDS: An Explosion of the Biological Time-bomb? -- Biological Warfare in the Modern Era" by Professor Lee; ISBN 1-929882-03-3 USA $22.75.

The vaccines that I favor are sub-unit vaccines. They are light years ahead of the dead microbe vaccines or the live attenuated pathogen vaccines. These are normally made from a very specific tumor marker or weakly immunogenic hapten that is conjugated to a highly immunogenic carrier. An adjuvant is selected based on the desired type of immune response. Other tricks are commonly used to get an immune response that is 10-20 fold greater than one would anticipate from a vaccine. One trick is to use a very small amount of cyclophosphamide several days before the injection. Another is to always do the injection intradermally -- not subcutaneous -- and at multiple sites for better exposure to Antigen Presenting Cells. Another that was suggested to me by Dr. Jim McCoy is to inject over the inguinal lymph nodes. McCoy liked to use IL-2 and GC-CSF with his autologous vaccines. McCoy was making his vaccines in Atlanta and offered me the use of his lab for making a type of subunit vaccine that I favor. He was familiar with this vaccine and thought that it would work well with his. He believed that state laws in Georgia favored cancer patients. It was soon after that the FDA began putting many, many restrictions on him. He died of a heart attack last May -- a broken man who could not understand why cancer vaccines are being supressed.

One of the keys to making a great vaccine is purity. This is why I much prefer synthesis from scratch. When Georg Springer, MD made his Springer vaccine for breast cancer he tried to make it from the stroma of type O erythrocytes. It cost him a fortune to make because he had to pass it through so many columns. The poor fellow was much more of an immunologist than a chemist, but he did demonstrate the absolute importance of purity. Another big step was by Talwar in India. In making his anti-hCG vaccines for birth control and for cancer he discovered that the vaccines would continue working forever as long as you were ready to change your immune carrier whenever you weren't getting the delayed-type hypersensitivity reaction that is indicative of a cellular response. This is part of the reason that Virginia Livingston had only limited success with her anti-hCG vaccine.

Cancer vaccines are strong players in NASDAQ medicine. Miracles are performed on lab animals and in human phase 1 trials. Lots of money is raised for the companies who develop these vaccines. Then the phase 2 and 3 trials are structured so that the vaccines are guaranteed to fail. They are used on patients with no immune systems, on patients with enormous tumor loads, and the adjuvants are dumbed down to the old approved stand-bys of alum or oil/water emulsions. There is just no real money in cancer vaccines in conventional medicine. There is far greater money in artificially doing one of the very same things that vaccines can do -- make monoclonal antibodies.

The vast majority of clinicians believe that we just aren't there yet with cancer vaccines. Clinicians usually have their beliefs issued to them. Those who aren't brainwashed seem to be co-opted by peer pressure and by the licensing boards. Researchers on the other hand often do know what is going on, and often totally believe in the system -- until they get cancer and come knocking on my door.

Cancer vaccines do work, but you have to know what you are doing and they should be part of a complete protocol that is patient specific. This type of medicine does not lend itself to proof by the usual methods of medical research -- unless of course you are willing to leave a string of bodies along the way. When Georg Springer refused to do double-blinds and instead worked against NCI historical data, he was trounced by the FDA. That didn't stop Life magazine from putting him on the front cover. For breast cancer that had been demassed, the 5-year remission rate was 100%. Of course the government had to put an end to that, and now Georg Springer is dead after putting 30 years into the vaccine and getting nowhere with his efforts at government approval.

Every week you'll read about a new cancer vaccine, but nothing is ever approved by the government agencies. I am occasionally wrong though: I would never have guessed that Novartis would seek to get approval for Glivec for CML. Pressure from the one of the CML groups turned them around. But now I hear that they are planning to charge from four to seven thousand dollars per month for the therapy. No chemical is that hard to make. There is every indication that it will be a safe oral med that is effective for many cancers. Of course Novartis is keeping that a secret or it will never get approved.

If there is serious interest in the topic of cancer vaccines I will try to find the time to discuss them further. Topics could include the similarities and differences between prophylactic and treatment vaccines, and choices of immunocarriers and of adjuvants. How about a topic of why vaccines fail when being used by clinicians who don't understand immunology, pathophysiology, and biochemistry.

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My dog has a mast cell tumor in his mouth.

By the time we had test results and arrived for our appointment at Texas A &

M for the removal, it had spread through the lymph.

They did not want to remove the tumor at this point.

He takes benadryl and pepsid AC twice a day and half of a steroid pill once

a day.

He has just taken the third series on chemo pills.

I have been reading all of this interesting information for a few months

now.

Does anyone have any advice for us?

His tumor has shrunk and is a bit larger than my thumbnail (I do have

medical terms in his file).

The below information about a vaccine has me curious about alternatives.

Thank you so much, & Bubbie Jo Jo

(no subject)

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>

> > Mr. Gammill,

> >

> > Could you please tell me what

> > is a Conjugate cancer vaccine?

> > and where would a person with cancer go to obtain one.

> >

> > thank you,

>

>

>

>

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Dear , Here is a mail which was on the site some months ago. Maybe it

can help you.

Mehmet.

This is One of the most remarkable evidences of the power of Omega 3 that I

have.

This dog was getting the equivalent of 9 tablespoons a day for a 165 pound

man.

This is a composite of 3 messages over a period of time.

SHILOH

Dear Mr. Beckwith, My dog , Shilo was diagnosed with Myelogenous

Leukemia with supression of red blood cells and platelet production on

3/18/99. The U.OFM. in ST. which is one of the best vet hospitables

in the country did a bone marrow on Shilo who is only 3 and half years

old and a CBC and found cancer cells alot in his blood . All they could

offer was to put him on Predizone and by him a little time. Depressed

and very sad I went on the Inernet and with the help of GOD I found your

page on Flax OIL and read the testimonials. The next day I started Shilo

on Flax Oil and cottage Cheese 3 Table spoons a day and right away I

started seeing results. Four days later I took him back to the Vets and

they did a CBC Blood test and they were amazed and didn't understand why

his white count was normal { after having hardly any white blood cells

at all} his Platelets were clotting normal. and he was producing red

blood cells at a fast rate. The Veternarians were baffled. They also

could not find one Cancer cell in his blood !! Besides The Flax Oil I

have him on vitamin C, E, Geinstein, and a multi vitamin for dogs to

help his Immune systym I know in my heart the thing that really made the

differance was the Flax seed OIL. Shilo weighs 56 pounds and is a Golden

Retriever. I will be seeing the vet in another week for a blood test and

I know it will come out cancer free. Shilo is feeling great and acting

like a normal dog and 10 days ago he had a 106 temp and dying. Bless You

Mr. Beckwith ,Shirley, and Ms. Bud Wig!! Please right back to me God

Bless, Kirk Heckel , and Tim Brown.

Dear Cliff, Just to let you know Shilo had a blood test today and there

was NO sign of cancer cells in his blood and his platelets and Red blood

cells were normal. He is still getting 3 tablespoons of Flaxoil and

cottage cheese a day. D242

Hi Cliff, Thank you for the info on the lady from Missouri. Its so

wonderful to know that I can help other people , like you and others

have helped me. Your testimonials saved Shilo's life. Shilo is doing

great. Shilo and Woodson { My other dog} are both on Flax oil and

cottage cheese and vitamins. Their energy level is so much better and

Shilo seems even more healthier than even before he was sick. Every body

who has seen Shilo can't believe how good he looks and how his fur coat

is so shiny and thick. My Grandmas dog " Jake " has had problems with hot

spots. She started him on flax oil with cottage cheese and the hot spots

are going away. My mom and Dad and sister are giving it to themselves

and their dogs. AS for my vets, my vet knows about the flax oil but the

vets at the University Of Minnesota don't know yet. They probably think

Shilo is dead, because I haven't seen them since May. I believe timing

is everything so I plan on sending them a christmas card with a picture

of Shilo and a letter saying he is alive and well . I will explain to

them what I have been doing and I will suggest to them that they need to

do a study on flax oil and cancer with terminal dogs.Maybe that will

floor them. Have any other suggestions? Ron Conley is working on Shilo's

story for an up comming news letter. It should be pretty cool. I have to

tell you something , you should get a kick out of this. Shilo, Woodson

and myself take the flax oil and cottage cheese. As you can guess I go

thru a lot of cottage cheese each week. So when ever there is a sale on

cottage cheese I stock up. Last week I went to the grocery store and saw

a sale on cottage cheese, so I bought about 10 containers . They also

had a sale on pickles so I bought a couple of jars. So I am going up to

the register and getting wierd looks from people. The cashier gives me a

funny look . I start laughing. I thought they must think I have a

pregnant wife or I have strange food cravings , pickles and cottage

cheese. Oh well . I hope everything is going good for you , keep me

updated, take care , D242

Shiloh is doing fine today.

(no subject)

> >

> >

> > > Mr. Gammill,

> > >

> > > Could you please tell me what

> > > is a Conjugate cancer vaccine?

> > > and where would a person with cancer go to obtain one.

> > >

> > > thank you,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mehmet,

Thank you so much.

Bubbie has been on flax seed oil and cottage cheese for a couple of months

now.

It may be why he is doing so well.

Thank you for collecting these articles.

Makes me feel good to read something about another dog.

and Bub

(no subject)

> > >

> > >

> > > > Mr. Gammill,

> > > >

> > > > Could you please tell me what

> > > > is a Conjugate cancer vaccine?

> > > > and where would a person with cancer go to obtain one.

> > > >

> > > > thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

> there.

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> > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Re: Cancer vaccines

>Dear Mehmet,

>Thank you so much.

>Bubbie has been on flax seed oil and cottage cheese for a couple of months

>now.

>It may be why he is doing so well.

>Thank you for collecting these articles.

>Makes me feel good to read something about another dog.

> and Bub

>

>

> (no subject)

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > > Mr. Gammill,

>> > > >

>> > > > Could you please tell me what

>> > > > is a Conjugate cancer vaccine?

>> > > > and where would a person with cancer go to obtain one.

>> > > >

>> > > > thank you,

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

>> there.

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by

>> > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>> > >

>> > >

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<cures for cancer >

From: " Romaine " <emily@...>

Date sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:48:03 -0500

Send reply to: cures for cancer

Subject: Re: Cancer vaccines

> My dog has a mast cell tumor in his mouth.

> By the time we had test results and arrived for our appointment at Texas A

> & M for the removal, it had spread through the lymph. They did not want to

> remove the tumor at this point. He takes benadryl and pepsid AC twice a

> day and half of a steroid pill once a day. He has just taken the third

> series on chemo pills. I have been reading all of this interesting

> information for a few months now. Does anyone have any advice for us?

> Thank you so much, & Bubbie Jo Jo

Get the vet to inject ethanol or hot saline into the tumor using an

ultrasound as a needle guide.

Give the dog beta glucan + vitamin C to prevent metastasis.

moonbeam

[Guest guest]

Use Bio-Bac.

-----Mensaje original-----

De: moonbeam@... [mailto:moonbeam@...]

Enviado el: martes, 24 de abril de 2001 23:15

Para: cures for cancer

Asunto: Re: Cancer vaccines

<cures for cancer >

From: " Romaine " <emily@...>

Date sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:48:03 -0500

Send reply to: cures for cancer

Subject: Re: Cancer vaccines

> My dog has a mast cell tumor in his mouth.

> By the time we had test results and arrived for our appointment at Texas A

> & M for the removal, it had spread through the lymph. They did not want to

> remove the tumor at this point. He takes benadryl and pepsid AC twice a

> day and half of a steroid pill once a day. He has just taken the third

> series on chemo pills. I have been reading all of this interesting

> information for a few months now. Does anyone have any advice for us?

> Thank you so much, & Bubbie Jo Jo

Get the vet to inject ethanol or hot saline into the tumor using an

ultrasound as a needle guide.

Give the dog beta glucan + vitamin C to prevent metastasis.

moonbeam

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Vic,

....and thank you for posting this.

Tetanus toxoid and diphtheria toxoid are often used in making cancer

vaccines. They were used by Georg Springer for the vaccine that he

developed and very successfully tested (in the 1980's) on women to prevent

recurrance of breast cancer.I have made similar vaccines since 1996, but I

don't use either of these toxoids. I have had discussions with a professor

at the UCSD School of Medicine who really thought I should go the tetanus

toxoid route, but " if it ain't broke, don't fix it. " My method was

developed by Talwar in India for use in making hCG beta chain vaccines.

These are " subunit " vaccines and require a booster every month or two as the

immunization is transient. I think much cancer vaccine research in the US

is intentionally sabataged by ignoring this well-known fact.

As to the toxicity of tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, we need more to go on

than an activist's speculations based on a suggestive observation reported a

quarter century ago when AIDS research was in its infancy and it was still

commonly believed that AIDS was caused by the misuse of immune-compromising

recreational drugs such as amyl nitrite. These " party " meds were much in

vogue during those years. If you have a citation then I will be happy to

dig much deeper.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Victor Swiercz

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:10 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] FW: Doctor confesses Cancer & other Viruses is

found in Vaccines (includes man-made origin of AIDS story)

Hi :

Thanks for posting this.

The tetanus vaccine also damages the immune system.

" A tetanus vaccination cannot possibly protect from the disease since the

human

organism cannot build up any immunity after contracting the disease (as is

the

same after HIB, diphtheria or TB). So, if nature hasn't planned the

immunity,

how does the vaccine work? Furthermore, the tetanus vaccination (as is the

case

with the diphtheria vaccine) is a so-called toxoid vaccine. The killed

poison of

the tetanus bacilli is injected into the body and meant to protect us. But

the

human body cannot build up immunity against poisons31. How can the vaccine

protect us then? The official statistics of the various countries show us

that

the vaccine does not protect us. The Koch Institute in Germany admits

that 2/3 people who contract tetanus have been fully vaccinated32. The rate

in

Switzerland was 50% fully vaccinated and still contracted the

disease. " ---Anita

Petek-Dimmer

" Tetanus is a very rare disease in developed countries: there are only

about 12

cases of tetanus per year in Australia, and half of those who got it were

vaccinated. Perhaps the most interesting thing about tetanus is that those

who

get it do not develop immunity to it.........Far from immunising, tetanus

(and

other) vaccine injections make the recipients more susceptible to diseases.

.......the New England Journal of Medicine published in 1984 that tetanus

booster

injections result in the same derangement of T4 and T8 cells as seen in AIDS

patients. A 'mysterious' new syndrome emerged in the US: thousands of

children

are developing AIDS symptoms (with deranged T4 and T8 cells) without being

HIV

positive My well-considered opinion is that it comes from that T (standing

for

tetanus) in the DPT vaccine. " ---Viera Scheibner

Vic