Re: Meat and cancer and anatomy

[Guest guest]

Jim you wrote :

> Yes the people you quote all say that a vegan, if not completely fruititarian

diet are the best, but...

jim here I posted a short list of naturalist but the greatest naturalists.

You wrote : Our teeth, digestive systems, and muscle tissue are not those of

vegans or fruititarians. Rather, these systems are all omnivorous systems. As

a matter of fact, we have the same basic muscle structure as rats, monkeys,

pigs, and bears

this not actually the truth, we were led to believe this by our authorities, the

same ones who take care of the interests of the meats,dairies and modified food

industries. In one sentence :the same authorities that promoted junk food in our

school and universities and in charge of the nutritional education of our

doctors and so called " dieteticians " . Should we trust them ? Anyone following

theirs nutritional recommendations will get sick.. Do doctors are healthier than

patients : No...they even died younger. Do doctors are happier than patients ?

Not even.. SO Let s review the facts, raw facts :I will do only two column two

ease the reading ; one for great ape and one for humans;

Eyes ; Look Forward Look Forward

the angle of vision is restrain ideal for gathering NOT for hunting

Skin: Millions of pores Millions of pores

We can breath and absorb micro nutrient trough our skin.

Incisor teeth : Well developed Well developed

Dental Formula : 5.1.4.1.5 / 5.1.4.1.5 Top and bottom

other animals have different formulas

Tongue : smooth / smooth

Hands and Feet : 2 hands and feet / 2 hands and feet .

Nails : flat/flat

NO : Claws or hoots here

Posture ; upright / upright .

Not on four.

Stomach : With duodenum / With duodenum.

Intestinal Canal : 12 times length of body / 12 times length of body

CARNIVORE Typically 3 times length of body

Colon : Convoluted / Convoluted

CARNIVOROUS : smooth

Mammary Glands : on chest/ on chest

CARNIVORE : Teats on abdomen

Placenta : Discoidal / Discoidal

CARNIVORE :Zonary placenta

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this is why we can't process large amount of animal protein. If you put rocket

fuel in your porshe you will blow the engine :-)

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I am sorry to hear that you had a bad experience as a frugivor but we are not

in fact programed to process apple sprayed with chemical 21 times !! A lot of

people had this unfortunate experiences so I always recommend organic food and

pure water. our closest family member, the gorilla eat some animal protein, it

is true, less than 6 % for sure.he ws displaced from original habitat and pushed

more and more by men toward the moumtains. Gorilla ate violence and are not

prone to kill. Gorilla like Koko who had the intelligence of an 8 years old

child with a vocabulary of 2000 words taught us a lot about family ties, love

and compassion...

Watching the video posted by on hunting perseverance i realize why our

ancestors developed their anatomy as gatherer smarter than coyotes and other

carnivores. You have to be pretty desperate and hungry to run for hours just to

feed yourself.

Who really want to run for 8 hours risking is life to catch an animal that

will putrefied in few hours and bring lethal sickness ? I rather grab a fruit or

collect some herbs and with time invent farming ! i don't need claws to do the

job but tools.

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Spirituality :It is curious to think that ancient Chinese Taoists or early

Buddhist ( including lord Buddha) where vegetarians and as Socrate warned us of

the dangers of meat consumption. we can find the same warning in Genesis. We

did'nt listen and as Socrate told us our town are filled with lawyers and

doctors :=)

The ancients where rights..

At the age of information how many of us , knows that they can catch

tuberculosis, Leukemia or non Hodgkin lymphoma from a glass of milk pasteurized

or not ? All of the major plagues in human history came from animals by contact

or by consumption.Think about all the last pandemics and epidemics.. i see few

readers jumping but I have the evidences... :-)

[Guest guest]

I disagree about your interpretation and will return to anatomy to illustrate my

point .

You wrote :

First.....binocular stereoscopic vision is a tendency of carnivores, not

herbivores.

Eyes

First....I was referring to the difference in peripheral vision as an example .

The difference between a carnivorous with a more developed wild angle vision

and our more limited angle . Another difference is night vision more accurate

for carnivorous and essential for hunting.

Binocular stereoscopic vision is a tendency not specific for carnivorous, as

human we needs also to have a good depth perception, and to judge distances

nicely. The human ability in stereoscopic vision is closely related to their

fine manipulation skills and their ability to grab very small objects, seeds or

berries. We had this ability way before the invention of the axe or any

weapon.therefore we were gatherer before we were hunter..

Second... You said. human skin is set for temperature function .

you cant limit our greatest organ as this sole function.Our skin with its pores

have multiple function including but not limited to, protection, sensation,

temperature regulation,communication.synthesis of vitamin D, protection of

vitamin B folates, absorption of UV.

In addition, medicine vitamin or minerals can be administered through the skin.

Third .. you wrote : " Flat nails...these are helpful in manual dexterity. Manual

dexterity is important in the manufacture of hunting tools. "

Tools and weapons came later in human evolution

so i don't see any relation. we created tool because we had the ability.

Fourth ... you said " chimps and gorillas being knuckle walkers.' here we start

to go in evolutionist speculation. Both stand and walk on two feet . Humans are

able to keep their weight over their feet while walking because their femurs

converge toward the knees forming a carrying angle of approximately 9 degrees

with the tibia . The difference between men and gorilla is a mere 9 degrees.

Bipedality is just one point more that we have with gorilla.

Fifth ...Upright posture also frees up the hands to be able to climb trees for

security and to collect food. Big fruits and medium size are mostly in trees

:-)

Mike, here a link with one of the best article I ever read on the subject; it is

excellent and bring interesting points like PH and enzyme, stomach capacity and

so on. We are not omnivore as you will see:

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/01/the_comparative.html

By the way I think that man early in history had discovered how to trap fish .

So I eat small fish and raw eggs that were so easy to catch without weapons for

millions of years..way before weapons and fire. What do you think ?

[Guest guest]

I have nothing astounding to add to this arguement except to say that I am also

a vegetarian anthropologist. Well, at least my degree was in anthropology, and

that doesn't really count for much in the real world.

What I can tell you is that evolution is amazing and a great deal of fun to

study. But it is all theory, which is why we can manipulate the information any

way we want.

The TRUTH is that we are all different and recognize the need for a balanced

diet - but what diet is the right diet for each of us? I cured myself of many

diseases when I stopped eating meat. But I still got cancer, so there is still

something wrong. My cancer might be because of an environmental situation, or a

genetic situation, that makes diet not very useful against it. Who really

knows? No one here, that's for sure.

Someone who is a strong believer in meat eating, is going to manipulate

evolution theory and diet theory to support their claims. And the same for the

vegetarians. And goodness knows I've seen a lot of the raw food gurus

manipulate information to serve their agenda as well.

Who do you trust? Yourself. But understand that what you deam the truth is

only the truth for YOU. There is no one truth for everyone.

Now, I'm off to try to figure out how I can afford the supplements I need to not

get cancer again, while having been laid-off and having no income coming in.

THAT's scary.

ar

[Guest guest]

Mike Golden, you do write with such authority. I am saving everything you

write in a special file... when I publish your book I'll split the proceeds

with you. Your diet is especially interesting and I'm tempted to

follow it just on your example. But I have one more question, would you mind

listing the supplements that you take also?

My biggest worry is this: I read here and there about all these things

that are good for you... alpha lipoic acid, hyalauronic acid, silymarin, msm,

etc... I have a whole shelf of supplements that I have bought on the

recommendation of these web sites that mention some disorder or deficiency that

I can identify with.

The question I have is one nobody has yet addressed: If we do take all

these supplements, with or without the daily multivitamin, can this be

handled by one's liver? All these things have to go through the stomach, then

finally the liver to filter... I can imagine the poor thing just giving up

with this assault of things it isn't used to processing.

Even Suzanne Sommers of bio-identical hormone fame takes about 60 different

supplements daily. So does Perricone, author of The Wrinkle

Cure, etc. Is this really healthy?

Mike... your comments?

Marji

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[Guest guest]

> We used to line up and she would

> squirt a vile tasting cod liver oil based multiple into or mouths then

> give each of us a gumball as a reward.

My mum tried this with me once. The smell of the cod liver oil bothered me so

bad, I told her it would make me sick if she gave it to me. She said that was

nonsense. She gave it to me anyway-whereupon I promptly threw up on her. Poor

mum!

I occasionally (couple of times a week) take a Sutherlandia OPC

> capsule. We have a lot of it left since my wife refused to continue

> taking it.

If it is not too personal, would you say why your wife stopped taking it? I hear

it is a very good supplement.