Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Copper and iron form cations. At 09:14 PM 6/30/2009, " patientadvocate2 " wrote: >I forgot to mention, copper and iron are very heavy anions and will >attract oxygen to cancer cell membranes. Also, if heavy salts are >not in normal cells, toxic metals like lead and mercury can enter >far more easily and stay there for awhile. Heavy metalic salts are >in fact therapeutic against a host of diseases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Both copper and iron will stimulate mitosis in cancer cells. They should not be used in cancer patients. Iron is already quite high in many cancer cell lines. Also, oxygen is not the deal breaker for cancer cells that you make it seem. Some cancer growth is actually stimulated by increasing oxygen levels in many cases. Mike patientadvocate2 wrote: > > > I forgot to mention, copper and iron are very heavy anions and will > attract oxygen to cancer cell membranes. Also, if heavy salts are not > in normal cells, toxic metals like lead and mercury can enter far more > easily and stay there for awhile. Heavy metalic salts are in fact > therapeutic against a host of diseases. > > Bag <@...> wrote: > > > > Bret > > Will unsulfured black strap molasses help the blood raise its ph? > It is high in iron, contains copper as well and other minerals. Will > ingesting colloidal/ionic silver work as well in alkalizing the blood? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Just part of Brewer's protocols. Googled copper and cancer, saw very little about making cancer worse, but the opposite was apparent! Bret Both copper and iron will stimulate mitosis in cancer cells. They should not be used in cancer patients. Iron is already quite high in many cancer cell lines. Also, oxygen is not the deal breaker for cancer cells that you make it seem. Some cancer growth is actually stimulated by increasing oxygen levels in many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 You are correct in quite a sense! Really! New Studies! Copper is needed to form new blood vessels. Cancer's, as they keep growing need to also grow blood vessels. Depriving them of copper indeed will stop tumors from growing. Tumors will not shrink,...they will survive on existing blood vessels, but will not grow for sure. (in many cases.) Brewer did a study with late stage cancer patients and lowered Copper, the tumors did not grow in many of the patients. What is not clear is that since deprive copper limits growth does this automatically mean the increasing copper will accelerate growth? The flip side is that if you are delivering immune cells, oxygen, even chemo therapy drugs,(not to mention ascorbate therapy,) to the tumor site,...the better vascularized the cancer, the better the delivery of the drug to the cancer site, if you are going to use any systemic therapies, the greater responses are in fact with well vascularized cancers. Even hyperthermia is more effective in vascularized tumors,...immune therapies are more effective in vascularized tumors. So, the issue is interesting! I am going to read more on this copper connection because some of these research articles on copper are newer studies, and the Brewer protocols for cesium and rhubidium are older studies,...things change! Maybe its time somebody update Brewers complete protocols. Thanks What is the issue with prostate cancer, poor circulation, chemo least effective. Fibrosarcoma? Vascularity an issue, wont respond to chemo. So, the copper association is that the more copper you take, the faster your cancer will grow or can grow. This is quite different notion than what is known so far. Just because you can inhibbit cancer by depriving cancer of copper, doesn't mean your going to make it grow faster by increasing copper. The theory of heavy metalic ions is sort of basic, but then again,....it's a theory. There was a time when copper itself was thought to be anti disease period. Maybe that time should come to an end huh? From: Mike Golden <goldenmike@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Alkalinity Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 12:38 PM Both copper and iron will stimulate mitosis in cancer cells. They should not be used in cancer patients. Iron is already quite high in many cancer cell lines. Also, oxygen is not the deal breaker for cancer cells that you make it seem. Some cancer growth is actually stimulated by increasing oxygen levels in many cases. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Some people think the copper and iron might make cancer grow faster, I am looking for a study that addresses this specifically. Brewer wanted us to take every metalic salt under the sun,...he had great success with his protocol. From: patientadvocate2 <patientadvocate2@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Alkalinity Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:14 PM I forgot to mention, copper and iron are very heavy anions and will attract oxygen to cancer cell membranes. Also, if heavy salts are not in normal cells, toxic metals like lead and mercury can enter far more easily and stay there for awhile. Heavy metalic salts are in fact therapeutic against a host of diseases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi, Zinc competes with copper for absorption. Could that be a way to inhibit copper intake? Bret Peirce wrote: > You are correct in quite a sense! Really! New Studies! > > > Copper is needed to form new blood vessels. > Cancer's, as they keep growing need to also grow blood vessels. Depriving them of copper indeed will stop tumors from growing. > > Tumors will not shrink,...they will survive on existing blood vessels, but will not grow for sure. (in many cases.) > > Brewer did a study with late stage cancer patients and lowered Copper, the tumors did not grow in many of the patients. > > What is not clear is that since deprive copper limits growth does this automatically mean the increasing copper will accelerate growth? > > The flip side is that if you are delivering immune cells, oxygen, even chemo therapy drugs,(not to mention ascorbate therapy,) to the tumor site,...the better vascularized the cancer, the better the delivery of the drug to the cancer site, if you are going to use any systemic therapies, the greater responses are in fact with well vascularized cancers. Even hyperthermia is more effective in vascularized tumors,...immune therapies are more effective in vascularized tumors. > > So, the issue is interesting! I am going to read more on this copper connection because some of these research articles on copper are newer studies, and the Brewer protocols for cesium and rhubidium are older studies,...things change! > > Maybe its time somebody update Brewers complete protocols. > > Thanks > > What is the issue with prostate cancer, poor circulation, chemo least effective. > Fibrosarcoma? Vascularity an issue, wont respond to chemo. > > So, the copper association is that the more copper you take, the faster your cancer will grow or can grow. > > This is quite different notion than what is known so far. Just because you can inhibbit cancer by depriving cancer of copper, doesn't mean your going to make it grow faster by increasing copper. > > The theory of heavy metalic ions is sort of basic, but then again,....it's a theory. > > There was a time when copper itself was thought to be anti disease period. > Maybe that time should come to an end huh? > > > > > From: Mike Golden <goldenmike@...> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Alkalinity > > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 12:38 PM > Both copper and iron will stimulate mitosis in cancer cells. They > should not be used in cancer patients. Iron is already quite high in > many cancer cell lines. Also, oxygen is not the deal breaker for cancer > cells that you make it seem. Some cancer growth is actually stimulated > by increasing oxygen levels in many cases. > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 You know they all compete,...the heavier element wins unless concentrations are greater for light element. Ok...where's the periodic table! Zinc is part of the original protocol. > You are correct in quite a sense! Really! New Studies! > Copper is needed to form new blood vessels. > Cancer's, as they keep growing need to also grow blood vessels. Depriving them of copper indeed will stop tumors from growing. > > Tumors will not shrink,...they will survive on existing blood vessels, but will not grow for sure. (in many cases.) > > Brewer did a study with late stage cancer patients and lowered Copper, the tumors did not grow in many of the patients. > > What is not clear is that since deprive copper limits growth does this automatically mean the increasing copper will accelerate growth? > > The flip side is that if you are delivering immune cells, oxygen, even chemo therapy drugs,(not to mention ascorbate therapy,) to the tumor site,...the better vascularized the cancer, the better the delivery of the drug to the cancer site, if you are going to use any systemic therapies, the greater responses are in fact with well vascularized cancers. Even hyperthermia is more effective in vascularized tumors,...immune therapies are more effective in vascularized tumors. > > So, the issue is interesting! I am going to read more on this copper connection because some of these research articles on copper are newer studies, and the Brewer protocols for cesium and rhubidium are older studies,...things change! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Just wanted to comment that altho i'm not all too familiar w/the technicalities of alkalinity and the use of supplements to help bring the body back to balance, everything that you've discussed among each other seems to make a LOT of sense to me. When in extreme conditions, the protocol would be for more extreme measures than a maintenance approach to alkalinity (thru diet), in order to make a dent in a short amount of time to bring back the original/intended environment that the cells exist in. All while this therapy is going on, I can see the benefit of working the " maintenance mode " of following an alkaline diet, exercise, elimination, and rest/relaxation (meditation, attitude, focus, and fasting <-- latest distinction thanks to off list discussion w/Joe that reminded me of this importance to allow the body to divert energy where needed) Anyway... glad to see the lively discussion about the role of alkalinity in handling this condition of cancer! the synergy among the more informed members really make for great exchange! thanks! Kelvin On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Bret Peirce <patientadvocate2@...>wrote: > > > You know they all compete,...the heavier element wins unless concentrations > are greater for light element. Ok...where's the periodic table! Zinc is > part of the original protocol. > > > > Hi, Zinc competes with copper for absorption. Could that be a way to > inhibit copper intake? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 How much potassium? Just a precaution for people with arrythmias or renal failure! Hi Bret, I was surprised to see that Potassium should not be consumed at the same time as cesium. You see, the cesium I get in a capsule and it also has the potasium in it. I am interrested to know why they should not be consumed together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 We're all on the same team. We all want to cross the goal line, we might disagree on which play to call to get us there, but in the end,....we all want to win this game! Bret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Potassium is important in this protocol. If you do not have history of arrythmias, do not have renal problems (kidneys) you should be ok, take this stuff with extra water though! Potassium is the carrier element for glucsoe to enter cancer cells. If you are avoiding sugars and carbs, extra potassium enters the cells as empty cations, without glucose attatched. Now cancers metabolism is slowed, limitted as empty potassium basically crowds out glucose bound ions. This elevates the ph even though potassium can never accept hydrogen by classical definition of acid/buffer. As cancers metabolism slows its ph rises. Also, I would take a little additional citrate. Maybe as calcium. > > How much potassium? > > Just a precaution for people with arrythmias or renal failure! > Each capsule contains 500mg Cesium chloride and 150mg Potassium citrate 36% giving 50mg elemental Potassium It also has Vitamin E 150mcg and Selenium methionine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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