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I have loads of messages since I joined the site but I would like to state

my position. I used to have really bad attacks. I started cutting out fats

in my diet, drinking loads of water and taking berberis. Meanwhile I had an

ultrasound and they have confirmed that I have gallstones and I have been

referred to and am waiting to see a surgeon. I do not want my gallblader

out. I do not have the extreme pain (it was so bad I passed out and now

have a scarred chin). but I do have referred persistent pain on the left

upper side of my back. It is bearable but I think I have a high pain

threshold and it's a bit like carrying around a heavy bag on your back. I

asked a cranial osteopath about the flushes and she said she thought they

are too stringent for me. I am 53 and have previously had cancer. I also

do not want weeks out of my life and continuing focus on the flushes. Any

advice, that I can understand (seems quite confusing from messages) would be

gratefully received.

>From: " lilskymist " <lilskymist@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: please tell me what you think....am new here and

>have questions

>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:07:09 -0000

>

>--- thank you for your help...actually the reason nothing was done

>before is the day the found them was the same day i was being

>airlifted to another hospital for fear of preterm labor...

>

>as it turned out i was in the other hospital for 2mths!!..the babies

>did a great job of staying in until 33wks!!....so i guess with all

>that was going on at that time it just sort of took a " back seat " to

>the other bigger issue at hand..

>

>i have talked with the surgeon more and he says that the reason they

>want to remove the gallbladder is because i have just so many

>symptoms that he thinks it is just not working properly anyway...

>

>i have had to go in for IV fluids from the constant nausia/throwing

>up and the episodes of pain that i have are so severe that my

>husband has to help me out of bed at times because i can not move...

>

>i was so hoping that i could do something that would help to remove

>or reduce them naturally...but so far all that i have read says that

>really is not the case with polyps..

>

>i did have a really bad episode in May..so i know it is not just

>from being pg again..i mean i know that the pgncy makes it worse but

>even without being pg the pain is bad..

>

>thank you all so much for your help ... i am just so scared but i

>guess this is the right thing to do...

>

>

>

>

>In gallstones@y..., " Suzanne " <suzanne_on_ca@y...> wrote:

> > It's not mentioned in your letter if the polyps are remaining the

> > same size as in 2000. If they are, then the pain that you are

> > feeling may be due to the growing uterus pressing on the polyps

>which

> > in turn press on something else.

> >

> > On the other hand, if they are growing, it may be necessary to get

> > them removed.

> >

> > Perhaps you could ask your doctor why nothing was done re: polyps

> > when they were first discovered and what has changed that warrents

> > them to now be removed.

>

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I have loads of messages since I joined the site but I would like to state

my position. I used to have really bad attacks. I started cutting out fats

in my diet, drinking loads of water and taking berberis. Meanwhile I had an

ultrasound and they have confirmed that I have gallstones and I have been

referred to and am waiting to see a surgeon. I do not want my gallblader

out. I do not have the extreme pain (it was so bad I passed out and now

have a scarred chin). but I do have referred persistent pain on the left

upper side of my back. It is bearable but I think I have a high pain

threshold and it's a bit like carrying around a heavy bag on your back. I

asked a cranial osteopath about the flushes and she said she thought they

are too stringent for me. I am 53 and have previously had cancer. I also

do not want weeks out of my life and continuing focus on the flushes. Any

advice, that I can understand (seems quite confusing from messages) would be

gratefully received.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Gillie;

I wish I could tell you that you would be able to take a special drink, just

once, and be over all your problems with your gallbladder but that just

isn't the case. It takes time to heal all wounds including those on the

inside and that's pretty much what we have with a gallbladder problem, an

internal wound.

The process for getting the gallbladder in condition requires an

understanding that the liver is involved too, and really is the most

important organ with which to deal. The liver is where bile is produced and

it is because of the grade of bile produced that gallbladder problems often

occur. If there is too much cholesterol in the bile salts there is a high

probability that it will precipitate from the bile salts and form bile

stones, much the same as too much fat in dishwater will cause fats to

deposit on the sides of the sink and especially if there was a poor grade of

detergent used to start the cleansing of the dishes.

Bile is much like the various grades of detergents available for washing

dishes. You can get quality brands that will require smaller amounts to do

more work, and holds the fats in an emulsified suspension better than a

cheaper brand. The problem with bile is that you have to have it produced

from your own liver and that is why it's the most important organ in the

equation. This is why we need to understand how to get bile made that is

going to do us the best good and that just isn't going to happen in just one

or two weeks, not to mention it needs to be done on a continued basis even

if there is no gallbladder to super concentrate the bile salt for use as a

concentrated fats emulsifier.

One thing to note here too is that if your pain is on the left side it's not

as likely to be related to the gallbladder, as is the case with most of us

having this problem it's on the right side and up to the shoulder. I picture

your situation as being potentially a vertebra out of alignment more than

having anything to do with a gallbladder or liver problem. I too have this

happen if my fourth or fifth vertebra is out and it makes the muscles of the

connection to the scapula start trying to realign my back. My chiropractor

of twenty plus years seems to have a knack of being able to get me back in

alignment without too much ado and that takes care of the problem until I

screw it up again from my work.

As to the stringency of flushing there is of coarse the possibility of

simply changing the diet to do much the same but just a lot slower. I would

suggest you consider purchasing Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet "

as that book has a very good diet plan and will certainly help you to

understand the liver and the gallbladder much better. It's not an advanced

study so it's pretty educational for us laypeople. Dr. Cabot seems to have a

great understanding of the confusion people face with gallbladder and liver

problems and deals with the basics more than getting too deep into all the

other processes regarding the bile's production and use. I attribute her

information as the reason I'm now three years without a gallbladder attack

and I'm also back to being able to eat more foods than I thought I would

ever be able to eat again.

Dale

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Dale

Thank you so much for your very informative e mail I will certainly get the

book and visit my cranial osteopath because I have been confused by the pain

being on the left but the ultrasound operator said that it was referred pain

and she has known it before. I suppose I do sound quite impatient but I am

in the middle of a Masters Degree and pretty busy!

Thanks again,

Gillie

>From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

>Reply-gallstones

><gallstones >

>Subject: Re: Re: please tell me what you think....am new here

>and have questions

>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:12:23 -0800

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>I have loads of messages since I joined the site but I would like to state

>my position. I used to have really bad attacks. I started cutting out

>fats

>in my diet, drinking loads of water and taking berberis. Meanwhile I had

>an

>ultrasound and they have confirmed that I have gallstones and I have been

>referred to and am waiting to see a surgeon. I do not want my gallblader

>out. I do not have the extreme pain (it was so bad I passed out and now

>have a scarred chin). but I do have referred persistent pain on the left

>upper side of my back. It is bearable but I think I have a high pain

>threshold and it's a bit like carrying around a heavy bag on your back. I

>asked a cranial osteopath about the flushes and she said she thought they

>are too stringent for me. I am 53 and have previously had cancer. I also

>do not want weeks out of my life and continuing focus on the flushes. Any

>advice, that I can understand (seems quite confusing from messages) would

>be

>gratefully received.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>Gillie;

>

>I wish I could tell you that you would be able to take a special drink,

>just

>once, and be over all your problems with your gallbladder but that just

>isn't the case. It takes time to heal all wounds including those on the

>inside and that's pretty much what we have with a gallbladder problem, an

>internal wound.

>

>The process for getting the gallbladder in condition requires an

>understanding that the liver is involved too, and really is the most

>important organ with which to deal. The liver is where bile is produced and

>it is because of the grade of bile produced that gallbladder problems often

>occur. If there is too much cholesterol in the bile salts there is a high

>probability that it will precipitate from the bile salts and form bile

>stones, much the same as too much fat in dishwater will cause fats to

>deposit on the sides of the sink and especially if there was a poor grade

>of

>detergent used to start the cleansing of the dishes.

>

>Bile is much like the various grades of detergents available for washing

>dishes. You can get quality brands that will require smaller amounts to do

>more work, and holds the fats in an emulsified suspension better than a

>cheaper brand. The problem with bile is that you have to have it produced

>from your own liver and that is why it's the most important organ in the

>equation. This is why we need to understand how to get bile made that is

>going to do us the best good and that just isn't going to happen in just

>one

>or two weeks, not to mention it needs to be done on a continued basis even

>if there is no gallbladder to super concentrate the bile salt for use as a

>concentrated fats emulsifier.

>

>One thing to note here too is that if your pain is on the left side it's

>not

>as likely to be related to the gallbladder, as is the case with most of us

>having this problem it's on the right side and up to the shoulder. I

>picture

>your situation as being potentially a vertebra out of alignment more than

>having anything to do with a gallbladder or liver problem. I too have this

>happen if my fourth or fifth vertebra is out and it makes the muscles of

>the

>connection to the scapula start trying to realign my back. My chiropractor

>of twenty plus years seems to have a knack of being able to get me back in

>alignment without too much ado and that takes care of the problem until I

>screw it up again from my work.

>

>As to the stringency of flushing there is of coarse the possibility of

>simply changing the diet to do much the same but just a lot slower. I would

>suggest you consider purchasing Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet "

>as that book has a very good diet plan and will certainly help you to

>understand the liver and the gallbladder much better. It's not an advanced

>study so it's pretty educational for us laypeople. Dr. Cabot seems to have

>a

>great understanding of the confusion people face with gallbladder and liver

>problems and deals with the basics more than getting too deep into all the

>other processes regarding the bile's production and use. I attribute her

>information as the reason I'm now three years without a gallbladder attack

>and I'm also back to being able to eat more foods than I thought I would

>ever be able to eat again.

>

>Dale

>

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