Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Dale, I had my PSA checked last fall shortly before I started with injections. As I recall it was 0.9, well within the normal range. Haven't checked it since then but it's not bad idea. > Have you had your PSA checked lately? I am very interested in keeping > track of levels, especially of the people doing HRT, whether it is T or > hGH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I had a PSA of 1 prior to TRT it has raised to around 2 after treatment. My T levels are usually around 800. Hope this helps. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...>wrote: > Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low (0.2). After starting on > TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common for those on TRT? Does > anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so what does your T level usually > run? > > Thanks - Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 That is very consistent with mine. I think it is interesting that when you are young and your T is high, you still have a low PSA generally but when you get older and supplement T, your PSA goes up - makes me think that the research that says enlarged prostates are due to E2 is correct. I know if I don't take my arimidex like I should, my E2 goes up, I have the symptoms and I start having problems urinating (enlarged prostate). When I get my E2 back down, the urination problem also goes away. Arkansas > Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low (0.2). After starting on > TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common for those on TRT? Does > anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so what does your T level usually > run? > > Thanks - Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 My PSA on replacement has usually run between 1.8 and 2.0. The lab recently changed the method for measuring it and now it runs 2.1-2.2. It least they were clued in enough to place their lab change directly in the lab reports for the last year, otherwise I would have thing it was going up. Steve Osborne wrote: > I had a PSA of 1 prior to TRT it has raised to around 2 after treatment. My > T levels are usually around 800. Hope this helps. > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...>wrote: > >> Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low (0.2). After starting on >> TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common for those on TRT? Does >> anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so what does your T level usually >> run? >> >> Thanks - Dan >> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Did you all know having sex 24 hrs before this test it can make it look high. My Dr. told me in some men this happens. Co-Moderator Phil > > > >> Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low > (0.2). After starting on > >> TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common > for those on TRT? Does > >> anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so > what does your T level usually > >> run? > >> > >> Thanks - Dan > >> > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I wouldn't consider a 2 as high would you? I think most people also see an increase once they start TRT I was always told not to be concerned unless its over 4. I know a person who had over 8 and no cancer. Its just a one marker to look at with DRE to evaluate your risk and doesn't necessary indicate a problem even if it is above a 4 it just tells you that you should have further follow up to make certain you don't have cancer. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:38 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > Did you all know having sex 24 hrs before this test it can make it look > high. My Dr. told me in some men this happens. > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > > >> Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low > > (0.2). After starting on > > >> TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common > > for those on TRT? Does > > >> anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so > > what does your T level usually > > >> run? > > >> > > >> Thanks - Dan > > >> > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@... <dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Both sex and exercise. For me both sex and bike riding elevate PSA so I avoid both for at least 48-72 hours. The first time I combined sex, followed by bike riding, followed by a PSA test I had a prostate infection I didn't know about. My PSA was above 14.0. Five weeks later with no treatment it was 7.0, and 5 weeks or so after that with no treatment it was 3.0. I saw a doctor at 7.0 and got a prostate exam. I didn't bother to test for another six months after the 3.0 value and by then it was 1.8. I was happy about that come down in values. Steve philip georgian wrote: > Did you all know having sex 24 hrs before this test it can make it look high. My Dr. told me in some men this happens. > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > >>>> Prior to getting on TRT, my psa always was low >> (0.2). After starting on >>>> TRT, I am consistently around 2.0. Is this common >> for those on TRT? Does >>>> anyone maintain a psa < 1 and on TRT? If so >> what does your T level usually >>>> run? >>>> >>>> Thanks - Dan >>>> >> -- >> >> Steve - dudescholar4@... -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hi Rob, I have had this happen to me my PSA went up this happened about 3 times in the last 15 yrs my Dr. would send me to a Uro they would check me out have me come back in a month and the levels came back down. I don't want to get your hopes up but I do know if you have sex the night before this test your PSA can come in high and there are times it's a labs mistake. Each time I was told they needed a biopsy if my PSA does not come down so I never had one. I have talked to men that had this same problem and they are on TRT some had the biopsy and nothing. You have one thing good going for you your on TRT and need to have labs often and things like this get seen sooner so even if you have a problem you got it soon not yrs later. I pray all works out for you and that you will be fine. The first time I was upset big time the 2nd time just worried but the 3rd. time I said ya sure. Still you need it checked out. Co-Moderator Phil > From: rjamestemple <rjamestemple@...> > Subject: PSA > > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:24 PM > Hi Gents, > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and > appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a > good place to be. I still have many questions about all this > and will certainly stick around. > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the > urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with > BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile > and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate > formula from Life Extension for years with great success. > Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for > hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level > is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. > I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I > had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to > have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > > Any comments from you gents would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:24:46 -0000, you wrote: > >Hi Gents, > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a good place to be. I still have many questions about all this and will certainly stick around. > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate formula from Life Extension for years with great success. Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > Any comments from you gents would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Rob Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as important as the increase over time. A quick significant increase is more worrying. Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies are finding high E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've been on gels for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. It may be high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex your PSA level could fall. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) velocity greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk for mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as compared with those with any other single high-risk factor, according to a study published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the July 1 issue. " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a single risk factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients who underwent radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation therapy [RT] was anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity greater than 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This was as opposed to any other single risk factor, including the Gleason score. " Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation oncology at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, in Boston, Massachusetts. The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior to a diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict tumor stage, grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior study, Dr. D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA velocity of greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for death from prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing RP. They also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical tumor stage, and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants of the risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. This study differs from the previous one in that the current research looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our previous study assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk factor, " Dr. D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results basically say that if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably have a worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you only have a single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a PSA velocity greater than 2. " Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with localized prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who had undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the patients had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL during the year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b or higher disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA level of 10 ng/mL or more. Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their disease earlier than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA velocity >2 ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of men treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died posttherapy. The presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk factor was significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and post-RT cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any other single high-risk determinant of PCSM. Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a PSA velocity greater than 2 should consider having more than just a single treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. " If they are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and hormonal therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be surgery with the likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of radiation and/or hormonal therapy. " Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out of this study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL or a clinical category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of prostate cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring that a high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does not remove you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as a single factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is not necessarily a death sentence. " Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yes. My Estradiol is high at 58. My urologist's PA had no idea of what I was talking about when I asked her about high estradiol causing my increase in PSA. She just scheduled me for a biopsy in ten days. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: PSA On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:24:46 -0000, you wrote: > >Hi Gents, > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a good place to be. I still have many questions about all this and will certainly stick around. > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate formula from Life Extension for years with great success. Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > Any comments from you gents would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Rob Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as important as the increase over time. A quick significant increase is more worrying. Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies are finding high E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've been on gels for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. It may be high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex your PSA level could fall. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) velocity greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk for mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as compared with those with any other single high-risk factor, according to a study published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the July 1 issue. " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a single risk factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients who underwent radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation therapy [RT] was anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity greater than 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This was as opposed to any other single risk factor, including the Gleason score. " Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation oncology at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, in Boston, Massachusetts. The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior to a diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict tumor stage, grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior study, Dr. D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA velocity of greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for death from prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing RP. They also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical tumor stage, and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants of the risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. This study differs from the previous one in that the current research looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our previous study assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk factor, " Dr. D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results basically say that if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably have a worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you only have a single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a PSA velocity greater than 2. " Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with localized prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who had undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the patients had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL during the year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b or higher disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA level of 10 ng/mL or more. Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their disease earlier than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA velocity >2 ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of men treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died posttherapy. The presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk factor was significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and post-RT cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any other single high-risk determinant of PCSM. Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a PSA velocity greater than 2 should consider having more than just a single treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. " If they are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and hormonal therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be surgery with the likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of radiation and/or hormonal therapy. " Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out of this study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL or a clinical category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of prostate cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring that a high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does not remove you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as a single factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is not necessarily a death sentence. " Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I would seek another specialist in HRT that is familar with proper AI dosing so this can be rectified. High e2 and also its metabolites can cause isssues with PSA. If your T is low this can also add more fuel to the fire as well for PSA issues. IF you are in Northeastern USA please feel free to contact me as DR O and MY self are fully aware of the implications of proper e2 protocol to help with this or rule out the primary cause of it in the first place. > > > > >Hi Gents, > > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a good place to be. I still have many questions about all this and will certainly stick around. > > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate formula from Life Extension for years with great success. Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > > Any comments from you gents would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Rob > > > Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as important as the > increase over time. A quick significant increase is more worrying. > > Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies are finding high > E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've been on gels > for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. It may be > high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex your PSA level > could fall. > > > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 > > May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) velocity > greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk for > mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as compared with > those with any other single high-risk factor, according to a study > published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the July 1 issue. > > " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a single risk > factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients who underwent > radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation therapy [RT] was > anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity greater than > 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This was as > opposed to any other single risk factor, including the Gleason score. " > Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation oncology at > Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, in > Boston, Massachusetts. > > The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior to a > diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict tumor stage, > grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior study, Dr. > D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA velocity of > greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for death from > prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing RP. They > also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical tumor stage, > and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants of the > risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. > > This study differs from the previous one in that the current research > looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our previous study > assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk factor, " Dr. > D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results basically say that > if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably have a > worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you only have a > single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a PSA velocity > greater than 2. " > > Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with localized > prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who had > undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the patients > had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL during the > year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b or higher > disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA level of 10 > ng/mL or more. > > Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their disease earlier > than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA velocity >2 > ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of men > treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died posttherapy. The > presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk factor was > significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and post-RT > cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any other single > high-risk determinant of PCSM. > > Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a PSA velocity > greater than 2 should consider having more than just a single > treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. " If they > are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and hormonal > therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be surgery with the > likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of radiation > and/or hormonal therapy. " > > Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out of this > study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL or a clinical > category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of prostate > cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. > > " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring that a > high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does not remove > you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as a single > factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is not > necessarily a death sentence. " > > Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 PSA and prolactin falsey elevated but ejaculation prior before the testing results. If your psa was normal 6 months ago and shot up please get it tested. We use estrogen metabolites as a more indicator of BPH. Most people with BPH have low thyroid anyway.. > > > While a 4.9 PSA is considered slightly elevated it doers not necessarily > mean anything. Normal PSAs are usually under 4.0, but there are some studies > that confirm a small percentage of this as an indicator for cancer. On the other > hand, a higher PSA can be normal for you. As we age our PSAs get higher, > or prostatitis can elevate those numbers. We had a patient who had PSAs over 10 > every year and no sign of cancer. PSA is NOT the be all-end all of diagnosis, > but is a tool that can give us directions to further studies. A digital Rectal > exam is also an associated test that can diagnose abnormal lumps in the > prostate. If your PSA ramains high, your doctor may want you to get a prostate > biopsy, a small spring loaded device goes through the perineum usually and gets > a small piece of tissue in less than a second. This will give a definitive > diagnosis. But once again, a good history will help determine WHY your PSA is > 4.9.. What was it before? If you don't know, probably a second test in a few > months is appropriate. > In one of my departments we used to run a yearly prostate screening and > test upwards of 400 men a year. Only saw 1 case of prostate CA in 5 years, and a > LOT of PSAs were over 4. > Relax, this is only a warning sign so far. Talk to your doctor about it. > > I copied and pasted this from the LDN Board. > kind regards david in lubbock > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Hey, thanks for the info. I live in upstate NY. North of Albany. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: PSA I would seek another specialist in HRT that is familar with proper AI dosing so this can be rectified. High e2 and also its metabolites can cause isssues with PSA. If your T is low this can also add more fuel to the fire as well for PSA issues. IF you are in Northeastern USA please feel free to contact me as DR O and MY self are fully aware of the implications of proper e2 protocol to help with this or rule out the primary cause of it in the first place. > > > > >Hi Gents, > > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a good place to be. I still have many questions about all this and will certainly stick around. > > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate formula from Life Extension for years with great success. Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > > Any comments from you gents would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Rob > > > Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as important as the > increase over time. A quick significant increase is more worrying. > > Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies are finding high > E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've been on gels > for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. It may be > high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex your PSA level > could fall. > > > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 > > May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) velocity > greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk for > mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as compared with > those with any other single high-risk factor, according to a study > published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the July 1 issue. > > " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a single risk > factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients who underwent > radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation therapy [RT] was > anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity greater than > 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This was as > opposed to any other single risk factor, including the Gleason score. " > Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation oncology at > Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, in > Boston, Massachusetts. > > The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior to a > diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict tumor stage, > grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior study, Dr. > D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA velocity of > greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for death from > prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing RP. They > also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical tumor stage, > and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants of the > risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. > > This study differs from the previous one in that the current research > looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our previous study > assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk factor, " Dr. > D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results basically say that > if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably have a > worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you only have a > single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a PSA velocity > greater than 2. " > > Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with localized > prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who had > undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the patients > had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL during the > year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b or higher > disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA level of 10 > ng/mL or more. > > Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their disease earlier > than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA velocity >2 > ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of men > treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died posttherapy. The > presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk factor was > significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and post-RT > cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any other single > high-risk determinant of PCSM. > > Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a PSA velocity > greater than 2 should consider having more than just a single > treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. " If they > are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and hormonal > therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be surgery with the > likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of radiation > and/or hormonal therapy. " > > Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out of this > study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL or a clinical > category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of prostate > cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. > > " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring that a > high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does not remove > you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as a single > factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is not > necessarily a death sentence. " > > Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Like Reto says about Estradiol I feel you are very high when I was this high even higher my Prostate was enlarged big time I have one bladder infection after the other even had surgery on it to help me void better. This was HeL* and it only lasted a yr. then the problem was back this went on for over 10 yrs I would take Cranberry Pills to keep from getting an infection. Getting my Estradiol levels down in a short time about 4 months my Prostate went back down my Uro said he could not believe this and wanted to know what I did. I told him and he got a blank look on his face and said no this can't be men don't have Estrogen problems. " Nice House No One Home " I never went back to see him again. In the 27 yrs I have had low Testosterone and seen a ton of Dr.'s I don't waste my time with ones that are not up on this problem. Co-Moderator I got my Estradiol levels down taking arimidex the problem with taking this is you can go down to low. So this is what I tell men so they don't go to low. ======================================================================= What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Phil > > > > >Hi Gents, > > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and > appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a > good place to be. I still have many questions about all this > and will certainly stick around. > > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the > urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with > BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile > and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate > formula from Life Extension for years with great success. > Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for > hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level > is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. > I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I > had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to > have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > > >   Any comments from you gents would be > appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Rob > > > Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as > important as the > increase over time. A quick significant increase is more > worrying. > > Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies > are finding high > E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've > been on gels > for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. > It may be > high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex > your PSA level > could fall. > > > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 > > May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) > velocity > greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk > for > mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as > compared with > those with any other single high-risk factor, according to > a study > published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the > July 1 issue. > > " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a > single risk > factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients > who underwent > radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation > therapy [RT] was > anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity > greater than > 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This > was as > opposed to any other single risk factor, including the > Gleason score. " > Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation > oncology at > Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer > Institute, in > Boston, Massachusetts. > > The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior > to a > diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict > tumor stage, > grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior > study, Dr. > D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA > velocity of > greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for > death from > prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing > RP. They > also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical > tumor stage, > and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants > of the > risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. > > This study differs from the previous one in that the > current research > looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our > previous study > assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk > factor, " Dr. > D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results > basically say that > if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably > have a > worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you > only have a > single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a > PSA velocity > greater than 2. " > > Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with > localized > prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who > had > undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the > patients > had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL > during the > year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b > or higher > disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA > level of 10 > ng/mL or more. > > Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their > disease earlier > than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA > velocity >2 > ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of > men > treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died > posttherapy. The > presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk > factor was > significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and > post-RT > cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any > other single > high-risk determinant of PCSM. > > Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a > PSA velocity > greater than 2 should consider having more than just a > single > treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. > " If they > are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and > hormonal > therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be > surgery with the > likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of > radiation > and/or hormonal therapy. " > > Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out > of this > study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL > or a clinical > category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of > prostate > cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. > > " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring > that a > high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does > not remove > you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as > a single > factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is > not > necessarily a death sentence. " > > Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 We are located out side philadelphia. Men from all over the country and world have been to see us and are contented with our approaches. > > > > > > > >Hi Gents, > > > I made a " new guy " post a few days back and appreciate all your comments. It looks like this board is a good place to be. I still have many questions about all this and will certainly stick around. > > > I had a curve ball thrown my way today at the urologists. About five years ago I had some problems with BPH or an enlarged prostate. I took antibiotics for awhile and the problem subsided. I have been taking a Prostate formula from Life Extension for years with great success. Four years ago my doc started me on Androgel for hypogonadism and a very low testosterone level. My T level is fine now but my PSA has been slow rising over the years. I had it tested just three weeks ago and it was at 4.0. I had it tested again today and it was 6.2. Doc says I have to have a prostate biopsy now. I hear it is a nasty procedure. > > > Any comments from you gents would be appreciated. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Rob > > > > > > Recent studies are saying the PSA level is not as important as the > > increase over time. A quick significant increase is more worrying. > > > > Have you had an E2, estradiol test? Recent studies are finding high > > E2 has more to do with BPH than testosterone. If you've been on gels > > for that long you should have been checking your E2 level. It may be > > high, if you bring it down with something like arimidex your PSA level > > could fall. > > > > > > > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557412 > > > > May 29, 2007 — Men with a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) velocity > > greater than 2 ng/mL/year have a significantly higher risk for > > mortality that is prostate cancer–specific (PCSM), as compared with > > those with any other single high-risk factor, according to a study > > published online May 25 in Cancer and scheduled for the July 1 issue. > > > > " When we look at cancer death rates in patients with a single risk > > factor, the risk of dying of prostate cancer in patients who underwent > > radical prostatectomy [RP] or external beam radiation therapy [RT] was > > anywhere from 6- to 9-fold higher if they had velocity greater than > > 2, " said lead investigator D'Amico MD, PhD. " This was as > > opposed to any other single risk factor, including the Gleason score. " > > Dr. D'Amico is the chief of genitourinary radiation oncology at > > Brigham and Women's Hospital and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, in > > Boston, Massachusetts. > > > > The rate of increase in PSA levels, or PSA velocity, prior to a > > diagnosis of prostate cancer has been shown to predict tumor stage, > > grade, and even the time to disease recurrence. In a prior study, Dr. > > D'Amico and colleagues found that men with an annual PSA velocity of > > greater than 2 ng/mL had a significantly increased risk for death from > > prostate cancer or death from any cause, despite undergoing RP. They > > also observed that the initial Gleason score, clinical tumor stage, > > and PSA level at diagnosis were also important determinants of the > > risk for prostate cancer–related mortality. > > > > This study differs from the previous one in that the current research > > looks only at men with a single high-risk factor. " Our previous study > > assessed patients that may have had more than 1 high-risk factor, " Dr. > > D'Amico told Medscape in an interview. " The results basically say that > > if you have more than 1 high-risk factor, you will probably have a > > worse outcome following surgery or radiation. But if you only have a > > single high-risk factor, then the worst one to have is a PSA velocity > > greater than 2. " > > > > Dr. D'Amico and colleagues reviewed data from 948 men with localized > > prostate cancer who had 1 or more high-risk factors and who had > > undergone either surgery or radiation treatment. All of the patients > > had at least 1 high-risk factor: a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL during the > > year before their cancer diagnosis, clinical category T2b or higher > > disease, a biopsy Gleason score of 7 or higher, or a PSA level of 10 > > ng/mL or more. > > > > Patients with multiple risk factors succumbed to their disease earlier > > than those with only 1 risk factor. A pretreatment PSA velocity >2 > > ng/mL/year as a solitary risk factor was observed in 88% of men > > treated with RT and 80% who underwent RP who died posttherapy. The > > presence of a PSA velocity >2 ng/mL as a single risk factor was > > significantly associated with a high risk of post-RP and post-RT > > cancer-related death, as compared with patients with any other single > > high-risk determinant of PCSM. > > > > Based on these data, men with prostate cancer who have a PSA velocity > > greater than 2 should consider having more than just a single > > treatment to get the best cure rate, Dr. D'Amico explained. " If they > > are considering radiation, it would then be radiation and hormonal > > therapy. If they are considering surgery, it would be surgery with the > > likely need for postoperative treatment in the form of radiation > > and/or hormonal therapy. " > > > > Dr. D'Amico pointed out that there is good news coming out of this > > study as well. None of the patients with a PSA >10 ng/mL or a clinical > > category T2b disease as a single high-risk factor died of prostate > > cancer after treatment with either surgery or radiation. > > > > " While the study is only 5 years out, it is very reassuring that a > > high PSA level or high clinical stage based on exams does not remove > > you from a good outcome, " he said. " Even with a high PSA as a single > > factor or a high clinical stage as a single factor, it is not > > necessarily a death sentence. " > > > > Cancer. Published online May 25, 2007 Abstract > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 My husband had blood tests 4 months ago, his PSA was 10. He just had new ones, the value was even worse, it went up to 11. He is 68, has always been very healthy. He has no symptoms, no discomfort and the doctor could not feel anything through a rectal examination. He said that a biopsy was compulsory, we do not like the idea , at all. he underwent surgery for inguinal hernia in November. The blood tests were takes just before this. His recovery has been slow and 10 days after the operation, he had an hematoma. This was the only time he has been in a hospital. Could anybody that has had experience with this advice us? THANKS! Renée Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Whatever you decide to or not to do you may want to check out this link...http://www.prostate-cancer-treatment-resources.info/dean-ornish-prostate-\ cancer.html to see changes in the genome with lifestyle changes. They actually documented the turning on of healthy genes and turning off of cancer genes. You can combine this approach with whatever else you do or don't do! Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hi I'm Ray I'm 57 and I have advance prostrate cancer the only treatment protocol I have is an holistic anti- cancer diet. Do they know what the hematoma. was cause by. I know it a tumor like collection of blood, usually clotted, located outside a blood vessel. I was just wondering how it got there. I was told by my doctor any PSA above 4 is usually cancer The " normal " reference ranges for prostate-specific antigen PSA increase with age, as do the usual ranges in cancer so PSA at his age I would worry about it to much PSA a protein produced by cells of the prostate gland. The PSA test measures the level of PSA in the blood all PSA is cause by prostatic hyperplasia it can be benign or cancer, if he can stay away form the sugar his PSA should not get any worst. I would not take that advice that a biopsy was compulsory, and Ill tell you why, for 15 years I had a psa of between 3 and 4, but when I had the biopsy it just made things worst, for with in a year my prostrate was half way into my bladder, I had prostate bone metastasis. and I had urine retention, so bad my doctor was going to put me into hospital. I had a feeling if I went in to hospital I never get out again, but Im fine now, as long as I stay on the treatment protocol Im on, I can say that all I have to do is avoid sugar, but what Im talking about is excess sugar like the sugar in bread in cakes in a cup of coffee, this is one of the hardest things to do, I have found and I advise to go onto pomegranate juice extract (I get it off the Internet and also high dose of vitamin C . can stop prostate cancer dead in it tracks all the best Ray My husband had blood tests 4 months ago, his PSA was 10. He just had new ones, the value was even worse, it went up to 11. He is 68, has always been very healthy. He has no symptoms, no discomfort and the doctor could not feel anything through a rectal examination. He said that a biopsy was compulsory, we do not like the idea , at all. he underwent surgery for inguinal hernia in November. The blood tests were takes just before this. His recovery has been slow and 10 days after the operation, he had an hematoma. This was the only time he has been in a hospital. Could anybody that has had experience with this advice us? THANKS! Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 That link is dead, Whatever you decide to or not to do you may want to check out this link...http: //www.prostate-cancer-treatment-resources.info/dean- ornish-prostate-cancer.html to see changes in the genome with lifestyle changes. They actually documented the turning on of healthy genes and turning off of cancer genes. You can combine this approach with whatever else you do or don't do! Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The link works for me...another one is ...http://www.pmri.org/research.html For information on the diet and gene studies! On Feb 28, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Randall Crossley wrote: > That link is dead, > > > > Whatever you decide to or not to do you may want to check out this link...http: //www.prostate-cancer-treatment-resources.info/dean- ornish-prostate-cancer.html to see changes in the genome with lifestyle changes. They actually documented the turning on of healthy genes and turning off of cancer genes. You can combine this approach with whatever else you do or don't do! Good Luck! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 There is no doubt but that a PSA of 10 is high but during my first exam because mine was a bit over 7, the Uro said, " we picked 4 because we had to start somewhere " . He then said, " you know as much as we do about it " . He didn't mean I knew, he meant they did not know! My PSA over the past 14-15 years has ranged from that 7+ up to 10 and back to between 7 and 8 where it is as of last week. I would change Urologists if he told me that a PSA over 4 is " usually " cancer, or that a Biopsy was compulsory. Did he not hear of 'watchful waiting'? More accurate would be the FREE PSA but they don't use it when the PSA is over 10. When he wanted to do a Biopsy, I resisted because of the possible 'seeding' of cancer cells if they were 'contained' within the sac. He did say he takes 'extra' precautions but admitted it is possible. More indicative of Prostate Cancer is a steadily increasing PSA and even that would be thrown off if it dropped during the series of tests. If a Uro pushed for a PSA between 3 -4 without other signs such as feeling a nodule or other sign during a digital exam, he should be sent Directly to Jail without passing GO (For those that know the Monopoly Board game). Can you even begin to imagine the unnecessary testing and increase in more serious cancers from doing biopsies on every guy with a PSA over 3 ? If there is one thing I have learned over the years on this list, it is, the practice of Urology is 'all over the place' and may contain as greedy a bunch of practitioners as anywhere. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 ... I'm 67, and I had hernia redo surgery a few months ago (after which testicles swelled up like ruby red grapefruit..), took a couple of months before they were back " to normal " ... During this time, my MD had requested a PSA test before the surgery, and another about a week later. My PSA had zoomed up to 5.6 after, had been 4.2 or so before. MD wanted to do a digital exam and if needed a biopsy. I refused - literally EVERYTHING down there was swollen, why not the prostate too? He said No connection, but I still refused. About this time I came across Ben Ong (Ph.D.) website on prostate care, and had ordered some of his Total Health supplements for prostate care (6 tablets a day..) About 6 weeks later I had another PSA test - came back 2.7 - AND, I had taken Dr. Ong's advise and had almost totally eliminated SUGAR from my diet, and minimized the red meats too... Very important if you want to keep the PSA numbers down - LOW SUGAR in the diet, maybe especially the Fructose drinks (MOST of the soda drinks nowdays.) The body doesn't know what to do with fructose... that's an artificial sugar, not normal like cane sugar... But sugar is bad. and the artificial sweetners (except stevia) are even worse... NO diet drinks... Dave Sasson wrote: > My husband had blood tests 4 months ago, his PSA was 10. He just had new ones, the value was even worse, it went up to 11. > He is 68, has always been very healthy. He has no symptoms, no discomfort and the doctor could not feel anything through a rectal examination. > He said that a biopsy was compulsory, we do not like the idea , at all. > he underwent surgery for inguinal hernia in November. The blood tests were takes just before this. His recovery has been slow and 10 days after the operation, he had an hematoma. This was the only time he has been in a hospital. > Could anybody that has had experience with this advice us? > THANKS! > Renée > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 The link has some unnecessary spaces in it after http: and dean-. Remove those spaces & you should be able to access the link. http://www.prostate-cancer-treatment-resources.info/dean-ornish-prostate-cancer.\ html That link is dead, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 When I click on the link it opens...another link is: http://www.pmri.org/research.html Hopefully this works! On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:56 AM, ashred25 wrote: > The link has some unnecessary spaces in it after http: and dean-. Remove those spaces & you should be able to access the link. > > http://www.prostate-cancer-treatment-resources.info/dean-ornish-prostate-cancer.\ html > > That link is dead, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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