Please Help

[Guest guest]

> glass?! It looked like its been the worse its been since I first got

> this infection!!? How is it that I'm feeling better, my rashes are

> receding, but the spit tells me that the Candidas is worse than ever!?

> Someone please help me, I really don't know what to do. This is

> incredibly frustrating. Any help would be greatly appreciated…*sigh*

>

>

Spit tests are only useful to determine how much candida is in the

mouth. You're probably doing fine.

Are you controlling your bowel dysbiosis with inulin? Perhaps it is

the missing ingredient in your regime.

Have you done some liver flushes? I might have missed it if you said

you were doing them.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Bob-

Be sure that your doctor is testing you for co-infections such as

Babesia and Erlichia, etc.... Some co-infections are covered by the

antibiotics that you will get for Lyme but some are definitely not. If

your Dr won't test you for these other infections then find another

doctor.

Also, don't let the Dr just give you 4-6 weeks of antibiotics, as many

of them do. It sounds like you may need to be on for quite a while. Many

of us experience that our doctors will put us on 2 types or more at a

time and change them around as the Lyme goes through its cycle.

Also, be sure to take some sort of good probiotic mixture or acidophilus

or eat yogurt a lot while on the antibiotics. Be sure to space it away

from when you take your antibiotics so it doesn't get killed off before

it can do your gut some good.

Good luck and feel better,

Melina

[ ] please help

Hi my name is bob. i was diagnosed with lyme 6 years ago and 3 months

after i was diagnosed with the lyme it progressed to " acute " After 6

months or so even though i did not feel much better my doctor said it

was gone, that maybe i was experienceing fibromyalgia and that i just

needed exercise. Now 6 years later after visit after visit of being

told i was fin by my Doctor i finally went to get a second opinion (i

know i know but give me a break i was first diagnosed when i was 14

years old) Immediatly this new doctor gave me a blood test and later

called me up to tell me that lyme disease was showing up in my blood

and promtly put me on antibiotics. I was just wondering if anyone had

any advice for me and i was also wondering if anyone new if therew

was anything that could be done about the constant pain this disease

plagues me with. Thanks - bob

[Guest guest]

Bob

I can only tell you that exercise helps and the pain should diminish over time,

but come and go. Tylenol helped w/my pain, but I know you can't use it all the

time. Not good for liver. I just used it when It got real bad. Exercise kills

the bugs, but do it at your own pace. Even if just walking. When it is too much,

back off. Your endurance will increase over time. Don't overdue as you will pay

for it the next day and may be down for a few days resting.

[ ] please help

Hi my name is bob. i was diagnosed with lyme 6 years ago and 3 months

after i was diagnosed with the lyme it progressed to " acute " After 6

months or so even though i did not feel much better my doctor said it

was gone, that maybe i was experienceing fibromyalgia and that i just

needed exercise. Now 6 years later after visit after visit of being

told i was fin by my Doctor i finally went to get a second opinion (i

know i know but give me a break i was first diagnosed when i was 14

years old) Immediatly this new doctor gave me a blood test and later

called me up to tell me that lyme disease was showing up in my blood

and promtly put me on antibiotics. I was just wondering if anyone had

any advice for me and i was also wondering if anyone new if therew

was anything that could be done about the constant pain this disease

plagues me with. Thanks - bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

Please please please do not let your new DR put you on only 4-6 wks

of antibiotics. My Gp did this to me - TWICE - and now I am worse off

for it, and I will be on ABX for a long time. When you do inadequate

treatment like that, you are only killing off the weakest bacteria

and leaving the strong ones behind. You will now require stronger

treatment.

I have been on the REAL treatment for 3 weeks and it is not fun! You

should read up on Herx reactions so you are not surprised when you

feel worse instead of better at first.

Hang in there..........

[Guest guest]

Dear V.

I would like to improve my skin, If I crashed some fresh garlic and mixed it with coconut oil, would it improve my skin.

Love Aggie (from Uganda - Africa)

Am getting married soon so I have to improve my skin real soon.

Please help

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Aggie!

All the best to you and your engaged

bridegroom.

Simona

Re: Please

help

Dear V.

I would like

to improve my skin, If I crashed some fresh garlic and mixed it with coconut

oil, would it improve my skin.

Love Aggie

(from Uganda - Africa)

Am getting

married soon so I have to improve my skin real soon.

Please help

[Guest guest]

Thanks Simona,

Now we need to work on the skin very seriously.

Send all advice you can land on.

Aggie

[Guest guest]

-

you may consider looking at your problem from different angles. In

my opinion, as a former systemic candida sufferer, the problem is not

the candida, but rather your body. Candida is a natural resident of

the human gi tract, but it will overpopulate depending on bodily

conditions. poorly functioning organs of elimination lead to weak

digestion and waste backup throughout the body. organisms like

candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role in

breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are

helping you. Of course the back up system is not as good as the

body's primary systems, and has side effects such that you cannot go

on this way forever.

Seen in this light, starving the candida, or worse still, using anti-

fungals, greatly interferes with the both the body's primary and

backup waste disposal systems. Even herbal antifungals create the

buildup of toxic waste, phara antifungals are actually poison which

long term will make your situation much worse.

If you want to recover your real health, its not actually very

complicated, but will take a little time and effort on your part (and

an open mind and willingness to do a little reading). The main

object is to cleanse all the organs of elimination, liver, kidneys

and colon, and work on restoring digestive power by adopting certain

eating, lifestyle changes. This approach is summarized and explained

in great detail in one book, " the key to health and rejuvenation " by

s Moritz, which you can download for $7 from www.authorhouse.com

I tried everything when I first figured out I had candida. I even

did sporonox for six months before I knew what cndida was.

probiotics, natural antifungals, you name it. nothing brought

lasting relief until I changed my direction as I outlined above.

you many believe what I am telling you right away, but you could at

least consider it, read up on it and don't forget about. on these

various candida lists, you will see that many people give up trying

to get back to their original state of true health and become

satisfied with symptom control (this is the whole point of the

candida diet). This is " ok " if this is what works for you. but, you

should not give up the hope that you can accomplish the feat and find

true health again, if you want.

johng

> I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST

THE LAST 3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE

DAY THAT I HAVE NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS IT

IS AFFECTING MY LIFE ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND GET

DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME RELIEF CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> SCOTT

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Take a good look at the articles written by Dr Vickery about free form amino

acids. His therapy program has helped everbody that has ever done it.

www.life-enthusiast.com/amino

www.life-enthusiast.com

please help

> I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST THE LAST

3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE DAY THAT I HAVE

NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS IT IS AFFECTING MY LIFE

ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND GET DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME RELIEF

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> SCOTT

>

[Guest guest]

thanks

please help

>

>

> > I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST THE

LAST

> 3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE DAY THAT I HAVE

> NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS IT IS AFFECTING MY LIFE

> ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND GET DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME

RELIEF

> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> > SCOTT

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks i do have the book and i am considering the liver flush but i am

going on vacation on july 10th so i was going to wait till i get back i here

a lot of positive results with this i DO NO WANT SYMPTOM CONTROL . do you

think i should do 1 or 2 before i leave??

scott

Re: please help

> -

>

> you may consider looking at your problem from different angles. In

> my opinion, as a former systemic candida sufferer, the problem is not

> the candida, but rather your body. Candida is a natural resident of

> the human gi tract, but it will overpopulate depending on bodily

> conditions. poorly functioning organs of elimination lead to weak

> digestion and waste backup throughout the body. organisms like

> candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role in

> breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are

> helping you. Of course the back up system is not as good as the

> body's primary systems, and has side effects such that you cannot go

> on this way forever.

>

> Seen in this light, starving the candida, or worse still, using anti-

> fungals, greatly interferes with the both the body's primary and

> backup waste disposal systems. Even herbal antifungals create the

> buildup of toxic waste, phara antifungals are actually poison which

> long term will make your situation much worse.

>

> If you want to recover your real health, its not actually very

> complicated, but will take a little time and effort on your part (and

> an open mind and willingness to do a little reading). The main

> object is to cleanse all the organs of elimination, liver, kidneys

> and colon, and work on restoring digestive power by adopting certain

> eating, lifestyle changes. This approach is summarized and explained

> in great detail in one book, " the key to health and rejuvenation " by

> s Moritz, which you can download for $7 from www.authorhouse.com

>

> I tried everything when I first figured out I had candida. I even

> did sporonox for six months before I knew what cndida was.

> probiotics, natural antifungals, you name it. nothing brought

> lasting relief until I changed my direction as I outlined above.

>

> you many believe what I am telling you right away, but you could at

> least consider it, read up on it and don't forget about. on these

> various candida lists, you will see that many people give up trying

> to get back to their original state of true health and become

> satisfied with symptom control (this is the whole point of the

> candida diet). This is " ok " if this is what works for you. but, you

> should not give up the hope that you can accomplish the feat and find

> true health again, if you want.

>

> johng

>

>

>

>

> > I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST

> THE LAST 3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE

> DAY THAT I HAVE NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS IT

> IS AFFECTING MY LIFE ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND GET

> DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME RELIEF CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> > SCOTT

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

jcgre wrote:

>

> you many believe what I am telling you right away, but you could at

> least consider it, read up on it and don't forget about. on these

> various candida lists, you will see that many people give up trying

> to get back to their original state of true health and become

> satisfied with symptom control (this is the whole point of the

> candida diet). This is " ok " if this is what works for you. but, you

> should not give up the hope that you can accomplish the feat and find

> true health again, if you want.

>

> johng

Greetings to all

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER :-)

Yes, I know I was shouting...

It is good to have a powerful reminder of the total gift we have in our

bodies.

I think I can do what I need to to take back, no work back my health.

Good health

nieema

Our Health is Our Responsibility

http://www.a-healing-village.com

[Guest guest]

-

don't rush it. it takes time, and you shouldn't do more than one

every two weeks. better to go slow and make sure you are doing it

fight. benefits will come soon enough.

g

> > > I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST

> > THE LAST 3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN

ONE

> > DAY THAT I HAVE NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS

IT

> > IS AFFECTING MY LIFE ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND

GET

> > DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME RELIEF CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> > > SCOTT

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Keep in mind that in addition to needing to wait at least 2 weeks in between, it

takes a week to prepare for it. That way if you do one right, you should be in

good shape to get one done. By right, be sure to drink the apple juice the week

before or for many malic acid or something else will work to soften the stones.

As g mentioned, following the diet to a T will probably give you better

results. The other thing to be prepared for is the after and/or before colon

cleansing. So you'd want to give your self enough time to get that taken care

of after before your trip. One guy, Rick who become a kind of the flushers and

after being a total wreck regained his life back, said he started out by taking

short cuts. No prep work. I do believe that coupled by what you eat prior too

are linked to the success and most importantly the way you feel afterwards. I

know it all sounds a little freaky, so may as well take the most precautions as

you can. Get started now so you don't have to stress at all about how you feel

before your trip.

Any stories out there of people that followed the protocol perfectly and still

felt really sick and/or had stuck stones and such?

Kari

Re: Re: please help

thanks i do have the book and i am considering the liver flush but i am

going on vacation on july 10th so i was going to wait till i get back i here

a lot of positive results with this i DO NO WANT SYMPTOM CONTROL . do you

think i should do 1 or 2 before i leave??

scott

[Guest guest]

thank you i will start next week make the appt for the colonic before and

after

thanks scott

Re: Re: please help

thanks i do have the book and i am considering the liver flush but i am

going on vacation on july 10th so i was going to wait till i get back i

here

a lot of positive results with this i DO NO WANT SYMPTOM CONTROL . do you

think i should do 1 or 2 before i leave??

scott

[Guest guest]

i will do one berfore i leave for my trip on july 10th

Re: please help

> -

>

> don't rush it. it takes time, and you shouldn't do more than one

> every two weeks. better to go slow and make sure you are doing it

> fight. benefits will come soon enough.

>

> g

>

>

> > > > I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA MY DIET HAS BEEN EXCELLENT FOR AT LEAST

> > > THE LAST 3MNTHS I AM ROTATING MY ANTIFUNGALS THERE HAS NOT BEEN

> ONE

> > > DAY THAT I HAVE NOT FELT LIKE SHIT. PLEASE HELP I AM OUT OF IDEAS

> IT

> > > IS AFFECTING MY LIFE ALL WAYS . I THINK I MIGHT GO TO MY MD AND

> GET

> > > DIFLUCIAN I NEED SOME RELIEF CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

> > > > SCOTT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> organisms like

> candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role in

> breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are

> helping you.

Interesting, but how has this opinion been ratified by science, or

has it?

> Even herbal antifungals create the

> buildup of toxic waste, phara antifungals are actually poison which

> long term will make your situation much worse.

Coconut oil, , is one of the the two healthiest oils you could

eat. It happens to kill bacteria and candida, so it would qualify as

an antifungal.

> with symptom control (this is the whole point of the candida diet).

> This is " ok " if this is what works for you.

Actually, , removing overt carb sources from the the diet is good

for everyone; in this respect the candida diet is quite close to the

primal-type diets. I recommend a " no-grain " diet with lots of raw

vegetables for practially all my clients, not only clients with

candida, and they have benefited from it. It happens to produce both

cleansing in the long term and and symptom control in the short term,

particularly when you add back in the inulin that has been missing

from the modern diet.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan-

I will just say that our approachs differ markedly, in ways you

perhaps are unwilling or unable to consider. I don't wish to engage

in sniping on this forum any longer, however, and will leave it at

that. I offer my opinion and experience to others who may found it

helpful, just as I was helped.

As far as science goes, I don't hold myself prisoner to the

scientific method. Through trial and error, my body found its own

way, and I don't need any outside confirmation from " science " .

g

> > organisms like

> > candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role in

> > breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are

> > helping you.

>

> Interesting, but how has this opinion been ratified by science, or

> has it?

>

> > Even herbal antifungals create the

> > buildup of toxic waste, phara antifungals are actually poison

which

> > long term will make your situation much worse.

>

> Coconut oil, , is one of the the two healthiest oils you could

> eat. It happens to kill bacteria and candida, so it would qualify

as

> an antifungal.

>

> > with symptom control (this is the whole point of the candida

diet).

> > This is " ok " if this is what works for you.

>

> Actually, , removing overt carb sources from the the diet is

good

> for everyone; in this respect the candida diet is quite close to

the

> primal-type diets. I recommend a " no-grain " diet with lots of raw

> vegetables for practially all my clients, not only clients with

> candida, and they have benefited from it. It happens to produce

both

> cleansing in the long term and and symptom control in the short

term,

> particularly when you add back in the inulin that has been missing

> from the modern diet.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Kari-

I believe that the microbial population of our gi tract will simply

be a reflection of our overall health, including the environment of

the gi tract. If you have a overgrowth of something considered bad,

the goal would be to change the environment, not attempt to directly

manipulate the populations long term (honestly, probably impossible

anyway). Yeast overgrowth is performing a function, however, at a

cost as the by products of the overgrowth itself are toxic as we all

know. In the body's condition, however, that is as well as the body

can function. That is why yeast overgrowth is so resilient in most

people, the conditions are ripe for them, and in fact, the body needs

them.

g

> I have been wondering what is the true purpose for yeast in us?

Everything definitely does have a purpose and it's all interrelated.

What says about killing it off makes sense from that

perspective. But is even it's purpose within us controversial? I've

even heard one nutritionist explain it in a way that it attempts to

rid the body of metals and such, just doesn't do a very good job and

manages to overflow in it's attempts. But then again the body is

not suppose to be full of metals to begin with.

> Also I've always thought of yeast and bacteria as two separate

things. Almost like opposites, in a perfect world the good

bacteria's munch on the yeast and keep all in check. Now I've seen

recently yeast referred to as a type of bacteria-good or bad? Often

when I try to explain this to the other world this stuff comes up and

I want to get it straight.

> Thanks!

> Kari

> Re: Re: please help

>

>

> > organisms like

> > candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role

in

> > breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are

> > helping you.

>

> Interesting, but how has this opinion been ratified by science,

or

> has it?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I will just say that our approachs differ markedly, in ways you

> perhaps are unwilling or unable to consider. I don't wish to engage in

> sniping on this forum any longer, however, and will leave it at that.

> I offer my opinion and experience to others who may found it helpful,

> just as I was helped.

>

> As far as science goes, I don't hold myself prisoner to the

> scientific method. Through trial and error, my body found its own

> way, and I don't need any outside confirmation from " science " .

>

> g

, your approach worked for you, and I don't dispute that at all.

Similarly, part of your approach may work for 'most everyone, and it

probably does, but I need to weed out the opinion from the facts,

that's all.

I'm glad to hear opinion, and I don't think it is sniping to ask for

some kind of validation or at least it would be nice if opinion was

quoted as such. I'd hate to see opinion propagated as fact in our

self-health regimes as I see it done on a few other lists. Some

people are failing miserably because the fringes of faith healing and

placebo (which are also valid but for different reasons) come into

play; they get all zealous about applying one thing to all maladies.

I think we can all agree it just doesn't work that way.

So where the science fails to support an opinion at all, I think it's

beneficial to all of us to take a look at that and discuss it, just

as we do if the science is new yet it seems that the science and the

opinion agree.

regards,

Duncan Corow

[Guest guest]

> I believe that the microbial population of our gi tract will simply be

> a reflection of our overall health, including the environment of the

> gi tract. If you have a overgrowth of something considered bad, the

> goal would be to change the environment, not attempt to directly

> manipulate the populations long term (honestly, probably impossible

> anyway). Yeast overgrowth is performing a function, however, at a

> cost as the by products of the overgrowth itself are toxic as we all

> know. In the body's condition, however, that is as well as the body

> can function. That is why yeast overgrowth is so resilient in most

> people, the conditions are ripe for them, and in fact, the body needs

> them.

>

> g

OK, lte's put the same yeast in a jar of distilled water and natural

cane sap or sugar. It will grow. What function is it performing and

what waste products is it dealing with?

This is the kind of reason I suspect that the philospohy about

bacteria or yeast removing waste products is a philosophy without

basis. I believe they are opportunists, and will move in if the

conditions are right.

The conditions being right for yeast or bad bowel bacteria rely on

the good bowel bacteria not being present to stop them as they have

done since prehistoric times. Yeast and bowel dysbiosis is the result

of removing historic foods from the diet (inulin-containing staple

foods). This has been validated by science, and previous to that has

been practiced for thousands of years.

Saying it is otherwise can't invalidate that; it presents an

interesting bias, but a bias nonetheless.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

science is often just opinion masquerading as fact. I will take the

opinion of those I trust over facts propagated by those who purport

to represent science anyday.

johng

> > I will just say that our approachs differ markedly, in ways you

> > perhaps are unwilling or unable to consider. I don't wish to

engage in

> > sniping on this forum any longer, however, and will leave it at

that.

> > I offer my opinion and experience to others who may found it

helpful,

> > just as I was helped.

> >

> > As far as science goes, I don't hold myself prisoner to the

> > scientific method. Through trial and error, my body found its own

> > way, and I don't need any outside confirmation from " science " .

> >

> > g

>

> , your approach worked for you, and I don't dispute that at

all.

> Similarly, part of your approach may work for 'most everyone, and

it

> probably does, but I need to weed out the opinion from the facts,

> that's all.

>

> I'm glad to hear opinion, and I don't think it is sniping to ask

for

> some kind of validation or at least it would be nice if opinion was

> quoted as such. I'd hate to see opinion propagated as fact in our

> self-health regimes as I see it done on a few other lists. Some

> people are failing miserably because the fringes of faith healing

and

> placebo (which are also valid but for different reasons) come into

> play; they get all zealous about applying one thing to all

maladies.

> I think we can all agree it just doesn't work that way.

>

> So where the science fails to support an opinion at all, I think

it's

> beneficial to all of us to take a look at that and discuss it, just

> as we do if the science is new yet it seems that the science and

the

> opinion agree.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Corow

[Guest guest]

ah yes. inulin. how could i have forgotten. again, I will

respectfully disagree and leave it at that.

>

> > I believe that the microbial population of our gi tract will

simply be

> > a reflection of our overall health, including the environment of

the

> > gi tract. If you have a overgrowth of something considered bad,

the

> > goal would be to change the environment, not attempt to directly

> > manipulate the populations long term (honestly, probably

impossible

> > anyway). Yeast overgrowth is performing a function, however, at a

> > cost as the by products of the overgrowth itself are toxic as we

all

> > know. In the body's condition, however, that is as well as the

body

> > can function. That is why yeast overgrowth is so resilient in

most

> > people, the conditions are ripe for them, and in fact, the body

needs

> > them.

> >

> > g

>

> OK, lte's put the same yeast in a jar of distilled water and

natural

> cane sap or sugar. It will grow. What function is it performing and

> what waste products is it dealing with?

>

> This is the kind of reason I suspect that the philospohy about

> bacteria or yeast removing waste products is a philosophy without

> basis. I believe they are opportunists, and will move in if the

> conditions are right.

>

> The conditions being right for yeast or bad bowel bacteria rely on

> the good bowel bacteria not being present to stop them as they have

> done since prehistoric times. Yeast and bowel dysbiosis is the

result

> of removing historic foods from the diet (inulin-containing staple

> foods). This has been validated by science, and previous to that

has

> been practiced for thousands of years.

>

> Saying it is otherwise can't invalidate that; it presents an

> interesting bias, but a bias nonetheless.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan--

Thinking more about your post, I think I can help explain it to you

this way. why will yeast grow in a jar with water and sugar, what is

it breaking down? The sugar is dead and ready to decompose, if it was

still growing in the cain plant, would the yeast grow on it? I think

not, not unless the plant was diseased or dead.

A live healthy human body, unlike the jar, but like the plant, is

alive. When healthy its defenses are strong, like the plant, and

needs no artificial help to fend off the creatures of decay. However,

in the prescence of toxicity, poorly digested food, blocked pathways

of eliminination, we begin to " rot " before our time. the yeast play

the same role throughout nature, they break down and reprocess that

which nature must recyle. think about a forest lacking fungus, the

dead debris would pile up until it choked the entire forest. same

for the human body. Restore the body, the yeast overgrowth will also

disappear. it is purely logical if you step back and think about

it. I could not have thought of a better anology, thank you.

johng

>

> > I believe that the microbial population of our gi tract will

simply be

> > a reflection of our overall health, including the environment of

the

> > gi tract. If you have a overgrowth of something considered bad,

the

> > goal would be to change the environment, not attempt to directly

> > manipulate the populations long term (honestly, probably

impossible

> > anyway). Yeast overgrowth is performing a function, however, at a

> > cost as the by products of the overgrowth itself are toxic as we

all

> > know. In the body's condition, however, that is as well as the

body

> > can function. That is why yeast overgrowth is so resilient in

most

> > people, the conditions are ripe for them, and in fact, the body

needs

> > them.

> >

> > g

>

> OK, lte's put the same yeast in a jar of distilled water and

natural

> cane sap or sugar. It will grow. What function is it performing and

> what waste products is it dealing with?

>

> This is the kind of reason I suspect that the philospohy about

> bacteria or yeast removing waste products is a philosophy without

> basis. I believe they are opportunists, and will move in if the

> conditions are right.

>

> The conditions being right for yeast or bad bowel bacteria rely on

> the good bowel bacteria not being present to stop them as they have

> done since prehistoric times. Yeast and bowel dysbiosis is the

result

> of removing historic foods from the diet (inulin-containing staple

> foods). This has been validated by science, and previous to that

has

> been practiced for thousands of years.

>

> Saying it is otherwise can't invalidate that; it presents an

> interesting bias, but a bias nonetheless.

>

> regards,

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> A live healthy human body, unlike the jar, but like the plant, is

> alive. When healthy its defenses are strong, like the plant, and

> needs no artificial help to fend off the creatures of decay.

However, in the prescence of toxicity, poorly digested food, blocked

pathways of eliminination, we begin to " rot " before our time. the

yeast play the same role throughout nature, they break down and

reprocess that which nature must recyle. think about a forest

lacking fungus, the dead debris would pile up until it choked the

entire forest. same for the human body. Restore the body, the yeast

overgrowth will also disappear. it is purely logical if you step

back and think about it. I could not have thought of a better

anology, thank you.

this is a very good explanation (if not fundamentalist science

perspective!) And I agree, given our shared experience, sums up the

approach needed for the complete reversal of all symptoms! When I

read the other previous post I had similar thoughts but using

termites as the example...yours is better though since fungus/yeast

is the " culprit. "

Bravo!

Deborah