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Welcome to .

July 15 is right around the corner and I know you're probably

excited and nervous at the same time.

I remember waiting on pins and needles wondering " Is this really

going to work for me? " Even though my mother had been implanted some

8 years before I was.. I still couldn't help but wonder.

Glad to say, I have been hearing well for almost 4 years now.

There are currently 4 implant users in my family with more to come

in the future as our hearing loss is due to hereditary progressive

nerve deafness.

What a great Birthday gift you are giving yourself.. the gift of

sound.

Here's hoping that everything goes well for you and hope you will

share your activation experience with us.

Any questions you may have, jump right in and ask. There's always

someone here willing to give an answer or opinion.

Also a very Happy Birthday to you!

Hugs,

Silly MI

In , " bearhuggie4u " <kaszonyi@t...> wrote:

> Hi my name is and I am from Down Under - Sydney.

>

> I just had the Nucleus Freedom implant surgery on the 1st July 05

> and await on the switch on which will be on the 15th July - yep on

> my 30th Birthday.

>

> I am going well at the moment.

>

> I am looking forward to meeting and share thoughts, concerns and

> feelings with you all guys.

>

> Smiles,

>

>

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Welcome to the list! <smile> How exciting to have your activation scheduled

on your 30th birthday. What a wonderful birthday gift that will be! I hope

your surgery went well and you're enjoying a smooth recovery.

Again, welcome to the list. I look forward to reading more about your CI

journey.

Only a few more days before your activation! <smile>

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Deafblind/Postlingual

BTE hearing aid user 20 years

Severe-profound hearing loss 10 years

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Hi ! I just got the Freedom BTE yesterday. The body worn one is not out yet

but I will get one when it comes out. You are getting activated so fast. Lucky!

I had to wait 41 days! Do you wear a hearing aid? Good luck on the 15th . I am

sure you will be pleased. GOD BLESS

bearhuggie4u <kaszonyi@...> wrote:Hi my name is and I am from Down

Under - Sydney.

I just had the Nucleus Freedom implant surgery on the 1st July 05

and await on the switch on which will be on the 15th July - yep on

my 30th Birthday.

I am going well at the moment.

I am looking forward to meeting and share thoughts, concerns and

feelings with you all guys.

Smiles,

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Welcome to ,

What a wonderful birthday gift! Looking forward to sharing and reading your

journey. Keep us posted.

Sharon

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Hi my name is and I am from Down Under - Sydney.

I just had the Nucleus Freedom implant surgery on the 1st July 05

and await on the switch on which will be on the 15th July - yep on

my 30th Birthday.

I am going well at the moment.

I am looking forward to meeting and share thoughts, concerns and

feelings with you all guys.

Smiles,

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Hi a, I cried when I read your email, and my blood was boiling.

It was boiling because of what the doctors put you and your daughter

thru. I am glad that you didn't accept their diagnosis, and that you

continued to fight. You are so right. Go with your instincts.

My daughter was ten when she was diagnosed with systemic JRA. That

was seven years ago. I would recommend that you get a notebook and

start a diary on your daughter. Don't lose it, and bring it to every

appt. If she has a fever, write it down. If her finger hurts, write

it down. Write down everything.

a, it can be up to a year before the arthritis sets in. Shame on

that rheumy, who said that she didn't have systemic JRA because she

didn't have any arthritis.

Stay with this listserve. I have been here for seven years, and I am

always learning. There are many systemic parents here. We know what

you are going thru. You have a shoulder to cry on here. Your

daughter will be fine. Things might get bumpy at times, but you have

made it over the toughest hurdle-the diagnosis. Treat it

aggressively to avoid any damage, and you may even possibly be

blessed with remission. I know personally of two systemics that had

the disease for a year and then it went into remission. They have

been symptom free for five years now. Take care, (n, 17,

systemic)

On Nov 28, 2006, at 11:41 AM, paula wrote:

> Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

> entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

> sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

> with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

> when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

> The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

> probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

> go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

> lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

> We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

> in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

> healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

> levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

> JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

> us home.

> The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

> past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

> our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

> finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

> needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

> and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

> lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

> same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

> like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

> following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

> see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

> biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

> and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

> and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

> and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

> Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

> and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

> work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

> I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

> the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

> ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

> take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

> Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

> so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

> she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

> hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

> lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

> also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

> ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

> rheumatologic issue.

> After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

> then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

> over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> months for the arthritis to set in.

> I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

> a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

> to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

> since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

> to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

> for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

> free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

> All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

> you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

> answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

> do.

> We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

> NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

> am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

> angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

> to have my little girl back.

> Im sorry this is so long .

> a

>

>

>

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Oh my goodness a what a horrible nightmare you and your family have gone

through. I am so glad that you stuck with your instincts and that you finally

have a diagnosis and treatment that is working. May it continue to improve for

your daughter.

e

paula <sapphire61768@...> wrote:

Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

us home.

The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

rheumatologic issue.

After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

months for the arthritis to set in.

I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

do.

We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

to have my little girl back.

Im sorry this is so long .

a

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a:

Your story broke my heart. No one should have to go through what you and

your daughter have been through.

I am so glad that you have finally gotten the right treatment and Jordan

is doing so well.

I URGE you to send a copy of your story to the doctors who treated

Jordan, especially the rheumatologists who " stood their ground " . That is

ludicrous when doctors won't admit they are wrong, at the expense of a

little girl. They NEED to know about the Kineret working so well and

getting a 90% diagnosis, that in my eyes, is backed up by the excellent

response to Kineret. Please do contact her former doctors by letter and

let them know. Maybe it will save another child from being put through

such misery.

Welcome, we are so glad that you are here. You will find many caring

people here who will help you process what you have been through.

and Rob 17 spondy

(juvenile ankylosing spondylitis)

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:41:32 -0000 " paula " <sapphire61768@...>

writes:

Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

us home.

The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

rheumatologic issue.

After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

months for the arthritis to set in.

I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

do.

We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

to have my little girl back.

Im sorry this is so long .

a

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Thank you for welcoming me to this group.I am glad I was able to

find a

place where there are others who are going through or have been

through the same. I have friends who are trying to support me but

they really just dont understand.I have many questions but I dont

want to overburden anyone on here,I have been trying to go back

through all the messages to get some answers.

as far as the doctors that would not diagnose Jordan.

Unfortunately I have to still deal with them.The doctors in Boston

would like Jordan monitored while we are starting this treatment and

dont want me to travel the 420 mile to Boston.Not to mention I have

no vehicle right now because my transmission went on our way home

from Boston.As far as the doctors here I am trying to find another

because they have already upset me again.I was told in Boston that

they had talked to the dostor here and he would do the follow ups on

Jordan.After we got back I called to set up the appointment and his

secretary said that the doctor told Boston he wouldnt be able to

follow her right away he cant get her in until December 15.Even

though the doctors in Boston want a rheumatological exam and labs

done on her at 1 week he cant be bothered, so he told me to take her

to my PCP.

We went and had our labs drawn yesterday and go see the PCP on

friday, dont know what use he will be for the rheumatologic exam, but

at least he can read the labs.But the good thing is The dotors in

Boston are only a phone call away or I email them and have gotten

quick response from them.Dr. Stoll is following labs and he told me I

can bring Jordan back there if I have any concerns.If they see

anything wrong in her labs I will definitely go back there and not

to the doctors in Rochester.The bad thing is all the doctors in

Rochester seem to be affiliated and it was quite a few of them that

came together on Jordans case when she was so ill and they all ruled

out any rheumatic disease.

I feel sorry for any other parent that has gone through this or

will go through this in my area, because not all parents will know

there are better doctors out there and they will trust the word of

these doctors.If i feel anything is not right with Jordan believe me

I will find a way and hop the first plane to Boston.

Once again thank you for a place to vent , cry , and

become better informed.

a

>

> a:

> Your story broke my heart. No one should have to go through what

you and

> your daughter have been through.

> I am so glad that you have finally gotten the right treatment and

Jordan

> is doing so well.

> I URGE you to send a copy of your story to the doctors who treated

> Jordan, especially the rheumatologists who " stood their ground " .

That is

> ludicrous when doctors won't admit they are wrong, at the expense

of a

> little girl. They NEED to know about the Kineret working so well and

> getting a 90% diagnosis, that in my eyes, is backed up by the

excellent

> response to Kineret. Please do contact her former doctors by letter

and

> let them know. Maybe it will save another child from being put

through

> such misery.

> Welcome, we are so glad that you are here. You will find many caring

> people here who will help you process what you have been through.

> and Rob 17 spondy

> (juvenile ankylosing spondylitis)

>

> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:41:32 -0000 " paula " <sapphire61768@...>

> writes:

> Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on

her

> entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary

doctor

> sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

> with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late

august

> when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

> The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

> probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

> go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she

received

> lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

> We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

> in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far

as

> healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since

her

> levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is

not

> JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and

sent

> us home.

> The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for

the

> past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

> our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

> finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided

they

> needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex

husband

> and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

> lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at

the

> same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I

felt

> like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

> following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done

to

> see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said

Jordans

> biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us

home

> and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

> and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not

cancer

> and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong

with

> Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about

Jordan

> and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all

lab

> work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

> I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

> the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

> ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

> take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious

Disease,

> Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

> so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week

again ,

> she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give

up.The

> hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows

her

> lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is

enlarged.They

> also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood

their

> ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt

a

> rheumatologic issue.

> After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no

answers

> then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

> over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> months for the arthritis to set in.

> I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

> a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now

trying

> to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with

it.So

> since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

> to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the

kineret

> for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

> free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal

life.

> All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

> you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take

the

> answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

> do.

> We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

> NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to

Boston.I

> am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I

am

> angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am

grateful

> to have my little girl back.

> Im sorry this is so long .

> a

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi a,

What you went through is terrifying. My son also has systemic jra and is

seen by the same rheumatology group in Boston. I know the doctors you saw,

and am so glad they were able to diagnose your daughter. My son was four

years old and was very sick with high fever and weight loss for almost four

months before he finally developed arthritis. We also went back and forth

between oncology and rheumatology. My son is also on Kineret, and it¹s been

a big help. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Good luck

and my thoughts are with you. and Ezra, ten year old systemic.

On 11/28/06 2:41 PM, " paula " <sapphire61768@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

> entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

> sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

> with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

> when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

> The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

> probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

> go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

> lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

> We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

> in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

> healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

> levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

> JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

> us home.

> The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

> past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

> our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

> finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

> needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

> and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

> lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

> same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

> like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

> following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

> see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

> biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

> and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

> and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

> and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

> Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

> and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

> work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

> I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

> the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

> ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

> take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

> Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

> so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

> she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

> hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

> lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

> also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

> ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

> rheumatologic issue.

> After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

> then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

> over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> months for the arthritis to set in.

> I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

> a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

> to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

> since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

> to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

> for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

> free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

> All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

> you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

> answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

> do.

> We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

> NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

> am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

> angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

> to have my little girl back.

> Im sorry this is so long .

> a

>

>

>

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Welcome a. I totally agree with the other post and send that letter.

Let those other drs know what they missed in their diagnosis. I am so

glad that you were able to get the right answers for your daughter. You

are so right that as parents we must go with our gut instinct and help

our kids. We do, after all, pay these drs. They are not treating these

kids for free and we do have a right to get help for our kids. I am glad

she is improving, please feel free to come and post whenever you can.

Let us know how she is doing, and know that this is a safe place to come

and vent when the going gets tough. We do all understand how you feel,

even if others may not. Michele ( 19, spondy)

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of paula

Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:42 PM

Subject: Hi I am new here

Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

us home.

The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

rheumatologic issue.

After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

months for the arthritis to set in.

I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

do.

We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

to have my little girl back.

Im sorry this is so long .

a

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Hi a,

You might find that the labs aren't always indicative on how your

child is doing. Sometimes, n's labs may be good, but she is in

tons of pain and failing health-wise. Other times, she is doing

well, and her labs may not be good. So always go with your gut

instinct. You know your child the best. Always be the squeaky wheel

for your child. When a systemic child is sick, they need to be seen

as soon as possible. You shouldn't have to wait. This disease is

far too complicated.

You might also be told that some of your child's symptoms aren't

typical for systemic JRA. If I had a dollar for every time I was

told that, I could pay for our enbrel prescription out of pocket.

These kids can get headaches with the disease. The rash can itch

terribly. They do get a sore throat whenever the disease is active.

The joints can really hurt without having any swelling. Sometimes,

the muscles hurt more than the joints. They get black circles under

their eyes even with 16 hours of sleep. It does affect their

appetite. There is a tremendous fatigue with the disease at times.

Take care, (n, 17, systemic)

On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:51 AM, paula wrote:

> Thank you for welcoming me to this group.I am glad I was able to

> find a

> place where there are others who are going through or have been

> through the same. I have friends who are trying to support me but

> they really just dont understand.I have many questions but I dont

> want to overburden anyone on here,I have been trying to go back

> through all the messages to get some answers.

> as far as the doctors that would not diagnose Jordan.

> Unfortunately I have to still deal with them.The doctors in Boston

> would like Jordan monitored while we are starting this treatment and

> dont want me to travel the 420 mile to Boston.Not to mention I have

> no vehicle right now because my transmission went on our way home

> from Boston.As far as the doctors here I am trying to find another

> because they have already upset me again.I was told in Boston that

> they had talked to the dostor here and he would do the follow ups on

> Jordan.After we got back I called to set up the appointment and his

> secretary said that the doctor told Boston he wouldnt be able to

> follow her right away he cant get her in until December 15.Even

> though the doctors in Boston want a rheumatological exam and labs

> done on her at 1 week he cant be bothered, so he told me to take her

> to my PCP.

> We went and had our labs drawn yesterday and go see the PCP on

> friday, dont know what use he will be for the rheumatologic exam, but

> at least he can read the labs.But the good thing is The dotors in

> Boston are only a phone call away or I email them and have gotten

> quick response from them.Dr. Stoll is following labs and he told me I

> can bring Jordan back there if I have any concerns.If they see

> anything wrong in her labs I will definitely go back there and not

> to the doctors in Rochester.The bad thing is all the doctors in

> Rochester seem to be affiliated and it was quite a few of them that

> came together on Jordans case when she was so ill and they all ruled

> out any rheumatic disease.

> I feel sorry for any other parent that has gone through this or

> will go through this in my area, because not all parents will know

> there are better doctors out there and they will trust the word of

> these doctors.If i feel anything is not right with Jordan believe me

> I will find a way and hop the first plane to Boston.

> Once again thank you for a place to vent , cry , and

> become better informed.

> a

>

>

> >

> > a:

> > Your story broke my heart. No one should have to go through what

> you and

> > your daughter have been through.

> > I am so glad that you have finally gotten the right treatment and

> Jordan

> > is doing so well.

> > I URGE you to send a copy of your story to the doctors who treated

> > Jordan, especially the rheumatologists who " stood their ground " .

> That is

> > ludicrous when doctors won't admit they are wrong, at the expense

> of a

> > little girl. They NEED to know about the Kineret working so well and

> > getting a 90% diagnosis, that in my eyes, is backed up by the

> excellent

> > response to Kineret. Please do contact her former doctors by letter

> and

> > let them know. Maybe it will save another child from being put

> through

> > such misery.

> > Welcome, we are so glad that you are here. You will find many caring

> > people here who will help you process what you have been through.

> > and Rob 17 spondy

> > (juvenile ankylosing spondylitis)

> >

> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:41:32 -0000 " paula " <sapphire61768@...>

> > writes:

> > Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> > week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on

> her

> > entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary

> doctor

> > sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

> > with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late

> august

> > when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> > continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

> > The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

> > probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

> > go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> > received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she

> received

> > lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> > see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

> > We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> > naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

> > in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> > feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> > told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far

> as

> > healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> > Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> > appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> > grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since

> her

> > levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is

> not

> > JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> > rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and

> sent

> > us home.

> > The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> > satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for

> the

> > past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

> > our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> > bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> > hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> > week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

> > finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided

> they

> > needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex

> husband

> > and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

> > lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at

> the

> > same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I

> felt

> > like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

> > following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done

> to

> > see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> > Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> > finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said

> Jordans

> > biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us

> home

> > and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

> > and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not

> cancer

> > and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong

> with

> > Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> > infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about

> Jordan

> > and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all

> lab

> > work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> > her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

> > I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

> > the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

> > ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> > the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

> > take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious

> Disease,

> > Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> > November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

> > so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> > pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week

> again ,

> > she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> > severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give

> up.The

> > hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows

> her

> > lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is

> enlarged.They

> > also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> > pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood

> their

> > ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt

> a

> > rheumatologic issue.

> > After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> > answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no

> answers

> > then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> > Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

> > over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> > diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> > months for the arthritis to set in.

> > I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

> > a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now

> trying

> > to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> > and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with

> it.So

> > since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

> > to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the

> kineret

> > for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

> > free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> > returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> > continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal

> life.

> > All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

> > you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take

> the

> > answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

> > do.

> > We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

> > NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to

> Boston.I

> > am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I

> am

> > angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am

> grateful

> > to have my little girl back.

> > Im sorry this is so long .

> > a

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi a, I really don't have any great ideas for you, but I am sure

someone will chime in. n was 10 when she was diagnosed. We

have always been honest with her and discussed to her about her

disease. I think n has been in denial about her disease for the

last seven years. She likes to ignore it.

I will say that the one thing that I have found to be very important

with these kids is rest. If they overdo one day, it takes them

several days to recuperate. Sleep overs are tough. Basketball

games, skiing, things like that are tough. Your little girl can

participate in all of those things, but make sure she gets plenty of

rest. It is a delicate balancing act. I tended to hover over n

and worry so much. It is only natural. Some kids are better than

others in knowing their limits. n has always pushed the

envelope and wanted to be normal.

Let the school and all of her teachers know about her disease.

Always be proactive with the schools. Every year I email n's

teachers and tell them about the disease, her medications, and that

she may miss a lot of school. Your child is entitled to certain

things if you get a 504 plan for her in the school. An extra set of

books at home, extra time between classes, maybe skipping PE, etc.

You will learn a lot here. There are MANY wise mothers here.

(n, 17, systemic)

On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:24 PM, paula wrote:

> Hi ,

> I am so happy to find people who understand what I have gone

> through and will be here to help guide me as we go through more.My

> friends try to help out but they cant comprehend it all and dont

> understand a lot of it.

> My biggest fear right now is for myself.I have somehow been the

> rock through this all, but I know sooner or later I am going to crack

> and come crashing down.That is why I was happy to find a sight where

> I feel I will be able to cry and have people who understand and will

> be there with me.

> I dont think Jordan really understands all that is going on , I

> know I sure dont.Any ideas how to help her out at the age of 9 to get

> a better understanding of what is going on with her body ?

> Thank you

> a

>

>

> >

> > > Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> > > week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on

> her

> > > entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary

> doctor

> > > sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and

> round

> > > with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late

> august

> > > when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> > > continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the

> hospital.

> > > The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

> > > probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it

> would

> > > go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> > > received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she

> received

> > > lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> > > see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following

> friday.

> > > We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> > > naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come

> back

> > > in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> > > feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> > > told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far

> as

> > > healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> > > Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> > > appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> > > grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since

> her

> > > levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is

> not

> > > JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> > > rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and

> sent

> > > us home.

> > > The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> > > satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for

> the

> > > past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I

> called

> > > our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> > > bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> > > hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> > > week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab

> work.They

> > > finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided

> they

> > > needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex

> husband

> > > and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-

> hodgkins

> > > lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at

> the

> > > same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I

> felt

> > > like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo

> the

> > > following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done

> to

> > > see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> > > Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> > > finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said

> Jordans

> > > biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us

> home

> > > and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone

> marrow

> > > and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not

> cancer

> > > and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong

> with

> > > Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> > > infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about

> Jordan

> > > and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all

> lab

> > > work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> > > her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to

> her.

> > > I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked

> up

> > > the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston

> are

> > > ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> > > the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us

> to

> > > take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious

> Disease,

> > > Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> > > November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has

> become

> > > so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> > > pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week

> again ,

> > > she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> > > severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give

> up.The

> > > hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows

> her

> > > lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is

> enlarged.They

> > > also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> > > pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood

> their

> > > ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it

> wasnt a

> > > rheumatologic issue.

> > > After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> > > answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no

> answers

> > > then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> > > Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they

> went

> > > over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> > > diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> > > months for the arthritis to set in.

> > > I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

> > > a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now

> trying

> > > to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> > > and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with

> it.So

> > > since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be

> willing

> > > to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the

> kineret

> > > for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and

> fever

> > > free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> > > returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> > > continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal

> life.

> > > All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

> > > you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take

> the

> > > answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing

> to

> > > do.

> > > We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

> > > NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to

> Boston.I

> > > am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I

> am

> > > angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am

> grateful

> > > to have my little girl back.

> > > Im sorry this is so long .

> > > a

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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--a,

It breaks my heart to read your story, what an awful year this has

been for you and Jordan. It also maddens me that they did not think

it was rheumlogical just because the arthritis has not shown up yet.

To me, your story reads like Systemic JRA 101.

Thank goodness for mothers instints, I commend you for not backing

down and for seeking out better doctors for your daughter. There are

many here who also have harrowing tales of the journey to dx. I

beleive it took Stacia 7 years to get answers for her boy.-

I also 2nd what others have told you, keep records, also take

pictures, of the rashes, any thing that doesnt look right to you.

I do want to let you know it does get better, while these kids can

struggle even years later, its so hard to come to grips with the dx,

worrying about the future and watching your child struggle.

My son was dx at age 5, hes 9 now, he also started with the

rashes and fevers, awful fevers, he also had joint pain in the

beginning but no actual swelling. It was 8 months after onset that

we actually saw swelling ( in both hands, all fingers ) it was at

this point that the doctor was 100% positive it was sys JRA. I think

up to that point she called it probable sys JRA. It was not until

Nick started having huge issues with this hands and the fevers

returned that we started the stronger drugs.

Keep asking questions, we are all here to help you. We were all

where you are now and know exactly what you are going though.

hang in there and know you are among friends who truly understand.

hugs Helen and (9,systemic)

ups.com, " paula " <sapphire61768@...> wrote:

>

> Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

> week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on

her

> entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary

doctor

> sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and

round

> with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late

august

> when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

> continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the

hospital.

> The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said

she

> probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it

would

> go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

> received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she

received

> lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

> see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following

friday.

> We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

> naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come

back

> in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

> feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

> told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far

as

> healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

> Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

> appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

> grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since

her

> levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is

not

> JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

> rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and

sent

> us home.

> The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

> satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for

the

> past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I

called

> our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

> bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

> hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

> week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab

work.They

> finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided

they

> needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex

husband

> and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-

hodgkins

> lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at

the

> same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I

felt

> like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo

the

> following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done

to

> see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

> Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

> finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said

Jordans

> biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us

home

> and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone

marrow

> and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not

cancer

> and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong

with

> Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

> infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about

Jordan

> and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all

lab

> work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

> her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

> I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked

up

> the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston

are

> ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

> the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us

to

> take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious

Disease,

> Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

> November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has

become

> so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

> pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week

again ,

> she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

> severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give

up.The

> hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows

her

> lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is

enlarged.They

> also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

> pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood

their

> ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt

a

> rheumatologic issue.

> After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

> answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no

answers

> then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

> Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they

went

> over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

> diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

> months for the arthritis to set in.

> I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I

am

> a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now

trying

> to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

> and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with

it.So

> since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be

willing

> to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the

kineret

> for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and

fever

> free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

> returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

> continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal

life.

> All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your

instinct.If

> you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take

the

> answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing

to

> do.

> We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in

western

> NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to

Boston.I

> am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I

am

> angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am

grateful

> to have my little girl back.

> Im sorry this is so long .

> a

>

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HI a-

I'm late catching up on all the posts so this is a belated welcome. But

nonetheless - Welcome! My daughter is 8 and was diagnosed systemic 5 years ago.

The crazy things about this diseas is that no two cases seem alike. There are

several systemic kids on this list who didn't have any joint symptoms for

years... so wouldn't it be great if Jordan never had to go through that? But

one thing the research is pretty clear on is that aggressive early treatment is

the best chance at remission and long term control. I really admire you for

being such a great advocate for your daughter.

Hope she is still recovering - gaining some weight back... and the nightmare

can fade away. I've heard so many horror stories about the diagnosis process...

but yours really takes the cake! Unbelievable....

Best hopes to you

Colleen (mom to Caitlin, 8, systemic)

paula <sapphire61768@...> wrote:

Hi m my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed with SOJRA last

week.She has been sick since April, started with an itchy rash on her

entire body that would move around but not go away.Our primary doctor

sent us to dermatologists and allergist and we went round and round

with the dostors and many different antihistamines until late august

when she developed a fever of 104.5 that would not let up and

continued for 6 days before my doctor would send us to the hospital.

The hospital wasnt very helpful, they ran blood work and said she

probably had a virus and we would never know what from and it would

go away in a few weeks and sent us home. The following day I

received a call from a doctor at the hospital telling me she received

lab work back and that my daughter has JRA and she scheduled us to

see a pediatric rheumatologist at the hospital the following friday.

We went in and saw the rheumatologist and Jordan was put on

naproxyn and they did more blood work and scheduled us to come back

in 3 weeks.We were told to start the medicine when she started

feeling joint pain which was not a symptom she had yet. I was also

told she would go downhill quickly over the next few weeks as far as

healthwise, so I took a one month personal leave from work.

Three weeks later we went back to the rheumatologist for her

appointment, still with no pain, just a never ending rash and low

grade fever. The doctor said she got the bloodwork back and since her

levels were returning to normal and no arthritis had set in it is not

JRA.She said she would treat Jordan for her rash as an urticarial

rash and put her back on Zyrtec and had more blood work done and sent

us home.

The following day Jordans fever was back up to 104.7 and she

satrted vomiting . She was even more tired than she had been for the

past few weeks and she wasnt drinking or eating. By monday I called

our primary doctor and asked what to do. He called and got the

bloodwork form friday and called me back and said get her into the

hospital and have her admitted.We were in the hospital for over a

week and no one could diagnose her,they did extensive lab work.They

finally did a CT scan and found enlarged lymphnodes and decided they

needed to do a biopsy.At 10 pm on friday sept 29, 2006 my ex husband

and I were taken into a small room and told Jordan has non-hodgkins

lymphoma, I cried so hard my niece was diagnosed with leukemia at the

same age as Jordan and had passed away from it when she was 11.I felt

like I was reliving a nightmare. Plans were made to start chemo the

following week but to first get a spinal tap and bone marrow done to

see how advanced it was. This was scheduled for monday morning.

Well monday morning came and went and we didnt see the doctor

finally at 1:30 in the afternoon the doctor came in and said Jordans

biopsy was looked at again and it may not be cancer.They sent us home

and had us come in on Friday for another biopsy and the bone marrow

and spinal tap.We found out the following week that it was not cancer

and we were back to the beginning and not knowing what was wrong with

Jordan.We continued going into the hospital seeing a pediatric

infectious disease doctor who was as concerned as I was about Jordan

and was determined to help us find an answer.She ran any and all lab

work she could think of.Poor Jordan even had a skin biopsy done on

her rash, she is such a trooper with all that has been done to her.

I finally got to my wits end and came on the internet and looked up

the top childrens hospitals in the U.S. Philedelphia and Boston are

ranked one and two.I have family in Boston so I decided to contact

the infectious disease doctor and she set up appointments for us to

take Jordan to Boston to see 3 different doctors Infectious Disease,

Hematology and Rheumatology. We were scheduled to go mid November.

November 1 we end up back in our hospital because Jordan has become

so sick she has stopped eating and drinking and lost over 20

pounds .Her fever is at 104.9 and has lasted for over a week again ,

she was diagnosed with a UTI and put on medicine that she had a

severe allergic reaction to and I feel like I am ready to give up.The

hospital runs more lab work and does another CT scan, which shows her

lymphnodes have become more enlarged and her spleen is enlarged.They

also had her get her eyes tested and an echocardiogram.We had the

pediatric rheumatologist in to visit a few times and they stood their

ground saying that since Jordan had no signs of arthritis it wasnt a

rheumatologic issue.

After 4 days in the hospital we went home again with no

answers.Finally we went to Boston, the first 2 doctors had no answers

then we went to see Dr. Stoll and Dr. Nigrovic at

Children's Hospital in Boston, we spent 6 hours there and they went

over all of Jordans labs and gave Jordan a thorough exam.Final

diagnosis is SOJRA the doctor is 90% sure.They said it can take

months for the arthritis to set in.

I was so relieved to finally have an answer and a treatment.I am

a single mom and have been on leave from work for 3 months now trying

to get Jordan well.The doctor didnt want to put Jordan on steroids

and mtx he was concerned about the weight gain that comes with it.So

since the arthritis hasnt set in yet he asked if I would be willing

to try a newer drug Anakinra (Kineret).Jordan has been on the kineret

for over a week, a daily injection.She has been rash free and fever

free and she is returning to her old self.Her energy level has

returned to normal amd she is back in school.I am hoping this will

continue and I can go back to work a return to a somewhat normal life.

All I can say to all moms is go with your gut and your instinct.If

you dont like your doctors answer go to another one.And dont take the

answer of we have to wait because waiting may be the wrong thing to

do.

We go back to Boston in late January ,because we live in western

NY the doctors here will follow Jordan and send all labs to Boston.I

am grateful for the kind and caring doctors that we do have and I am

angry at the ones that just wanted to wait.Most of all I am grateful

to have my little girl back.

Im sorry this is so long .

a

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> Hi ...I just joined this support group and I am so glad I found

you.

==>Hi Kim. Welcome to our wonderful group!

> I believe that I have been suffering with Candida for a very long

time. When I was 18 I had a strep throat that went undetected and it

went to my bloodstream. I was very sick and my doctor put me on

Penicilan for almost a year because my white blood coat was so high

and I had swollen joints. No where in there did anyone tell me what

damage being on an antibiotic for that long would do to me. I am now

44 and I have been suffering anywhere from menstrual issues to panic

attacks. I started reading up on it and I came across your website.

I am now ready to do the things you specified to try and get my body

back into balance and to reclaim it. Do you believe that Candida can

contribute to anxiety, panic and depression? Thank you for this site

it is a blessing! Take care!

==>Yes Kim candida does contribute to anxiety, panic attacks and

depression - see Mind & Mood under the list of symptoms in my

article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " sent to you when you

joined (it is required reading too). Candida toxins are mostly

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Hi Folks

I am new to the group too ! Struggling to find the right diet to balance all

the yeast/ASD/allergy/... problems !

My kid (4.5yrs, high functioning ASD symptoms) is on GFCF/low phenol/rotation

diet.

He is not having formed stools when he eats Millet and Amaranth.

Quinoa and buckwheat are better - mostly formed and light yellow-brown.

Millet and Amaranth grains come out in the stool as is. I tried soaking for

24hrs and that doesnt help.

He is currently on 2 Vitalzymes, 1 Phenol Assist, Mindlinx and Therabiotic

complete.

Then there are a whole bunch of supplements: Vit C, Vit E, Kirkman Vitamines,

Permeability complex, Zinc, UBQH, Thorne Cal-Mag, flaxseed oil, DHA fish oil,

folic acid.

Since the grains come out as they went in, does this indicate a stomach issue

(in addition to the leaky gut and other interstine issues)?

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> Hi Folks

>

> I am new to the group too ! Struggling to find the right diet to

balance all the yeast/ASD/allergy/... problems !

==>Hi Shanthi. Welcome to our group.

> My kid (4.5yrs, high functioning ASD symptoms) is on GFCF/low

phenol/rotation diet. He is not having formed stools when he eats

Millet and Amaranth. Quinoa and buckwheat are better - mostly formed

and light yellow-brown. Millet and Amaranth grains come out in the

stool as is. I tried soaking for 24hrs and that doesnt help.

==>Most people who are gluten & casein intolerant (GFCF) also have

candida so they should not have any grains of any kind (not even if

they are properly prepared), like my diet. Not only are grains high

in carb and very hard to digest, but it is obvious your son's

reactions are because he cannot digest them. Most GFCF sensitive

people and those who have candida have poor digestion.

>

> He is currently on 2 Vitalzymes, 1 Phenol Assist, Mindlinx and

Therabiotic complete. Then there are a whole bunch of supplements:

Vit C, Vit E, Kirkman Vitamines, Permeability complex, Zinc, UBQH,

Thorne Cal-Mag, flaxseed oil, DHA fish oil, folic acid.

==>I do not know what some of those products are, but he'd do much

better just going onto the basic supplements I recommend. Giving the

body too many different supplements to deal with can overwhelm and

confuse it. I do not recommend flaxseed oil because your body needs

to convert the omega-3 to a form the body can use which is already in

that form in cod liver oil and fish oil. If he doesn't get enough

vitamin D from the sun per my main candida article he needs to take

cod liver oil for the omega-3 and vitamins A & D (explained why in my

article).

==>Folic acid is one of the B vitamins and it shouldn't be taken

without the others because it will deplete B vitamins that aren't

taken. He should be taking either Nutritional Yeast or vitamin B

complex (ensure he gets niacin and not niacinamide which is

synthetic) - again see my article for the details under Supplements.

>

>Since the grains come out as they went in, does this indicate a

stomach issue (in addition to the leaky gut and other interstine

issues)?

==>I do not believe in the leaky gut theory, but your son's issues

are because of poor digestion. My article outlines how to improve

digestion, with good saturated fats being extremely important for

digestion health because they heal and strengthen the intestines.

Please read my article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " which

was emailed to you when you joined and you will understand a lot

more. Also see the article on my website for Babies & Children - do

a site search http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

The best in health, Bee

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Hi Bee, thank you so much for responding. I have another question. When

you start doing the diet and supplements religiously....how long does

it take to usually see some improvement? And will my symptoms get worse

before I will start feeling better? I am jumping into this with both

feet because I am so tired of feeling the way I've been feeling. I read

the article you suggested....so much great information. Thank you again

for this website. Take care and have a great day!

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I had read the website and thought that Quinoa, buckwheat, millet and Amaranth

were ok to eat. But now I re-read it and if I interpret it correctly, these are

things that are to eaten minimum amount perhaps later on in the program.

Anyway, we are vegetarians (for generations - from India). Is there anything

in the diet that he can eat as a meal? Only vegetables will make him crazy

hungry as he is on enzymes as well.

Thanks

Shanthi

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

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> Hi Folks

>

> I am new to the group too ! Struggling to find the right diet to

balance all the yeast/ASD/allergy/... problems !

==>Hi Shanthi. Welcome to our group.

> My kid (4.5yrs, high functioning ASD symptoms) is on GFCF/low

phenol/rotation diet. He is not having formed stools when he eats

Millet and Amaranth. Quinoa and buckwheat are better - mostly formed

and light yellow-brown. Millet and Amaranth grains come out in the

stool as is. I tried soaking for 24hrs and that doesnt help.

==>Most people who are gluten & casein intolerant (GFCF) also have

candida so they should not have any grains of any kind (not even if

they are properly prepared), like my diet. Not only are grains high

in carb and very hard to digest, but it is obvious your son's

reactions are because he cannot digest them. Most GFCF sensitive

people and those who have candida have poor digestion.

>

> He is currently on 2 Vitalzymes, 1 Phenol Assist, Mindlinx and

Therabiotic complete. Then there are a whole bunch of supplements:

Vit C, Vit E, Kirkman Vitamines, Permeability complex, Zinc, UBQH,

Thorne Cal-Mag, flaxseed oil, DHA fish oil, folic acid.

==>I do not know what some of those products are, but he'd do much

better just going onto the basic supplements I recommend. Giving the

body too many different supplements to deal with can overwhelm and

confuse it. I do not recommend flaxseed oil because your body needs

to convert the omega-3 to a form the body can use which is already in

that form in cod liver oil and fish oil. If he doesn't get enough

vitamin D from the sun per my main candida article he needs to take

cod liver oil for the omega-3 and vitamins A & D (explained why in my

article).

==>Folic acid is one of the B vitamins and it shouldn't be taken

without the others because it will deplete B vitamins that aren't

taken. He should be taking either Nutritional Yeast or vitamin B

complex (ensure he gets niacin and not niacinamide which is

synthetic) - again see my article for the details under Supplements.

>

>Since the grains come out as they went in, does this indicate a

stomach issue (in addition to the leaky gut and other interstine

issues)?

==>I do not believe in the leaky gut theory, but your son's issues

are because of poor digestion. My article outlines how to improve

digestion, with good saturated fats being extremely important for

digestion health because they heal and strengthen the intestines.

Please read my article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " which

was emailed to you when you joined and you will understand a lot

more. Also see the article on my website for Babies & Children - do

a site search http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

The best in health, Bee

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> Hi Bee, thank you so much for responding. I have another question.

When

> you start doing the diet and supplements religiously....how long does

> it take to usually see some improvement? And will my symptoms get

worse before I will start feeling better? I am jumping into this with

both feet because I am so tired of feeling the way I've been feeling. I

read the article you suggested....so much great information. Thank you

again for this website. Take care and have a great day!

>

==>Hi Kim. When you will see improvements depends upon so many things

which is different for each person, i.e. how long you've been unwell

(had a depressed immune system), how much of your body has been

affected, how serious your health is, how old you are, your diet, how

much toxin you've acquired, etc., etc.

==>Most people will feel worse before getting better. Regaining your

health is not a steady uphill climb either - it has its ups and downs.

It takes 1 month of natural healing for every year you've been unwell;

the timing starts once you are on the diet completely and taking all of

the supplements - the whole program works together so you wouldn't

leave anything out. To understand natural healing and what you will

experience read more articles on natural healing on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

==>Print out the article " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " and do

ensure you do not change your diet too quickly. It is difficult for

most people to increase their good fats too fast because they also kill

off candida, but lowering fibre foods too soon can cause constipation.

==>We're here for you Kim. Keep us posted and ask any questions you

may have.

The best in health, Bee

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> Hi Bee - I had read the website and thought that Quinoa, buckwheat,

millet and Amaranth were ok to eat. But now I re-read it and if I

interpret it correctly, these are things that are to eaten minimum

amount perhaps later on in the program.

==>Yes that is correct Shanthi. It is best to start the diet without

any grains, seeds, nuts or legumes. Later on when you are no longer

experiencing die-off symptoms you can gradually add them if they are

properly soaked or prepared. The best grains to start with are

actually more seed-like as you listed above, as well as brown rice.

>

> Anyway, we are vegetarians (for generations - from India). Is

there anything in the diet that he can eat as a meal? Only vegetables

will make him crazy hungry as he is on enzymes as well.

==>Unfortunately, being vegetarian will cause health problems. Your

ancestors also ate insects which contained fat soluble vitamins that

are extremely important for health, but that has been lost down

through the ages. Please read " The Myths of Vegetarianism " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods34.php

==>Humans are omnivores meaning they can eat animal meats, fish,

fats, and carbohydrates (all foods that are not classified as protein

or fat). In fact human bodies can be perfectly healthy on proteins

and fats alone, see this article " Eskimos Prove An All Meat Diet

Provides Excellent Health " which consisted of 75% fat and 25% protein:

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

==>Also see Candida Treatments for Babies & Children which is in our

Group's Files (left menu on our group's website) - it is in the first

Folder.

The best in health, Bee

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JaniceI am so very sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I read your message to group and really understood you feeling.I am going to copy my mini bio from dimmies to show you just how much I understand. "About me: April 1,2002 I found out I had hep c. April Fools Day. But this was no joke. I had just found out a few months before that my husband had hep c as well. In I believe August 2002, I had a liver bio, showing mild to moderate cirrhosis.{WAS WHAT DR TOLD ME.PATHOLOGY REPORTS STATE NECROSIS} I started tx in Oct 2002. I was on tx and responding for three months when my uncle died so I had to reschedule an appt. Since this was not the first appt I had to reschedule my Dr said he would no longer treat me. It took its toll on me. Depression was in high swing. It took me close to six months to find a Dr. I admit I was not in a big hurry to get back on tx. The new

Dr had no idea what he was doing with my care so each time I seen him I TOLD HIM WHAT I NEEDED. I went back on tx but had a few small interruptions along the way. I finally finished 52 weeks of uninterrupted tx. I have many other health issues as does any hep patient. As I mentioned depression was a big issue. I was obese in the beginning and no matter what I do I cant lose weight and even have gained weight. I have severe back pain. Pain in my muscles and joints as well as being weak in my muscles. I cant walk as much as 2 steps without pain starting to radiate thru my back and legs. Tingling and numbness in my legs. Pain and stiffness in my joints. Fluid retention does not help those issues. I have hypertension. Migraine headaches are also a very big issue. Concentrating is something I cant do to well. I confuse over simple issues. I deal with allergies and sinus problems and asthma as well. I have no energy whats so ever. I cant fall asleep at night because of pain. I

applied to the Texas Rehabilitation Commission hoping to get some help to get back to work. They told me I didn't meet their eligibility criteria. I applied for disability in '02 and was denied. I have not worked since 1999 because I could not do my job properly due to weakness in my legs and pain in my back. I am trying to get this info organized. I have a hearing coming up with disability they denied me before. Recently my Dr has been talking about thyroid problems. Since tx I cant see as well. Headaches are more frequent as well as more severe. And what can I say about irritability, cranky, easy to upset, emotional.....that is me. I used to be a loving cuddly patient gentle person. Not now..I hate being touched at all. Hate hugs hate being around others. Hate talking on the phone. I never liked crowds but now I hate any people even just 1 or 2 ppl. Even family. I stress over any contact. both before and after contact. when i know i have to see the Dr i cant get past my

headache. I hate to drive now. I have dizzy spells and don't feel its safe to drive. I am a prisoner in my home and in my body. Everyone says work harder.. I try to work a little harder and it puts me in bed for days on end. So at first chance i try again, only to be back in bed again. Depression is always there trying to take over. For darkness to control my every move my every mood. Darkness and despair closing in. I feel no control like before when I nearly ruined my marriage. But this time my dear Mitch knows I am emotionally ill. He has a rope around me to try keep me stable. I wish i knew a way out of this dark tunnel i have found myself in time after time. I found this wonderful group that has helped me greatly. In 2006 I was finally approved for disability. Now the updated version: 3/07 My life is oh so different.. Yet still the same. I

still have all the same problems, just look at them differently now. Depression is still an issue. But despair has left. I can't tell you my stage or grade of liver problems. I just don't know. I can say I have hep c 1a. While it is frightening to know this, it is worse thinking WHAT IF I DIDN'T KNOW!!!! We think I got hep in 1984 during skin graft surgery where some donor skin was used. BUT HOW I GOT IT DOES NOT MATTER. I have it. But it does not have me like it did in the time fraim when I wrote the above portion. Now I live with hep c. But IT DOES NOT CONTROL ME!! I am 34 yrs old. I am 5'7 and weigh 455 lbs. VERY FAT INDEED. Not only has my massive weight taken a toll on my body, now it is standing in between me and my fight against this dragon. I have been told that tx is not an option until I lose weight. Because the tx is adjusted by your weight as well as genotype. Add to that, I have been on tx before with no SVR. I am currently letting my body relax for the fight.

I am in the process of getting things ready for bariatric syrgery. I have a nuclear stress test set up for Tues and Wed. The dr doing it does it in 2 stages. Part 1 on day 1 part 2 on day 2. This is the final test required before setting a date for surgery. I had chose A RNY procedure. The dr has decided that is too much of a risk for me. With the RNY LARGE amounts of protein are required. That is a major no no with liver disease. So the dr has decided on doing the lapband procedure. I didn't like the change at first. But I understand his point and he is the Surgeon.... My HOPE is to lose weight and attack the dragon. I don't know if it will happen that way or not. Only time will tell. During my surgery I will have a liver biopsy done to better pinpoint where I stand as far as liver health. My last vl was about 3 months ago. It has stayed close to 2 mill for nearly 2 years now. Well a phone call derailed my train of thought.... Oh I was dxd with Attention def dysorder

recently. SOOO many issues so little memory to address them. Dannella Boyd aka d aka ringy dingy danne aka danne I am available for private support dannegrl2003@..." If you are intrested in emailing me to vent or just to know you are not alone, I am here am I promise to not take so long getting back to you. Hugs d Janice wrote: I found out 7 years ago that I have Hep C. About 3 years agoe so necative but i had treatment for a year of the 2 meds. Cant think of what they r.Well my count was over 7 million before the treatment,didnt quite finish it because the pain got too excrutiating for me. My husband was diagnosed with dementia during this time and I was trying to hold my job.Well the tests showed no viral count in the end till last july. I found that the count came back and has increased, now I have no help. My mind is too foggy to work, my exboss had no compassion, and i dont ever know how weak I will feel to perform or how bad the pain in my bones will be so I cant work. No money, no tests, no doctor. My husband has diability my sons

do what they can to help me with the bills and my credit cards r still maxed out from the last time I needed help. I went to the state they said I would have to have aids to help me. I really give up. I dont mean to be negative but I read about people and they get help not sure where to start. I wanted to apply for disability but I dont even have the money for a doctor.If anybody has any ideas please advise. Thank u very much!By the way am I the only one with these simptons or am I crazy? .

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JaniceI am so very sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I read your message to group and really understood you feeling.I am going to copy my mini bio from dimmies to show you just how much I understand. "About me: April 1,2002 I found out I had hep c. April Fools Day. But this was no joke. I had just found out a few months before that my husband had hep c as well. In I believe August 2002, I had a liver bio, showing mild to moderate cirrhosis.{WAS WHAT DR TOLD ME.PATHOLOGY REPORTS STATE NECROSIS} I started tx in Oct 2002. I was on tx and responding for three months when my uncle died so I had to reschedule an appt. Since this was not the first appt I had to reschedule my Dr said he would no longer treat me. It took its toll on me. Depression was in high swing. It took me close to six months to find a Dr. I admit I was not in a big hurry to get back on tx. The new

Dr had no idea what he was doing with my care so each time I seen him I TOLD HIM WHAT I NEEDED. I went back on tx but had a few small interruptions along the way. I finally finished 52 weeks of uninterrupted tx. I have many other health issues as does any hep patient. As I mentioned depression was a big issue. I was obese in the beginning and no matter what I do I cant lose weight and even have gained weight. I have severe back pain. Pain in my muscles and joints as well as being weak in my muscles. I cant walk as much as 2 steps without pain starting to radiate thru my back and legs. Tingling and numbness in my legs. Pain and stiffness in my joints. Fluid retention does not help those issues. I have hypertension. Migraine headaches are also a very big issue. Concentrating is something I cant do to well. I confuse over simple issues. I deal with allergies and sinus problems and asthma as well. I have no energy whats so ever. I cant fall asleep at night because of pain. I

applied to the Texas Rehabilitation Commission hoping to get some help to get back to work. They told me I didn't meet their eligibility criteria. I applied for disability in '02 and was denied. I have not worked since 1999 because I could not do my job properly due to weakness in my legs and pain in my back. I am trying to get this info organized. I have a hearing coming up with disability they denied me before. Recently my Dr has been talking about thyroid problems. Since tx I cant see as well. Headaches are more frequent as well as more severe. And what can I say about irritability, cranky, easy to upset, emotional.....that is me. I used to be a loving cuddly patient gentle person. Not now..I hate being touched at all. Hate hugs hate being around others. Hate talking on the phone. I never liked crowds but now I hate any people even just 1 or 2 ppl. Even family. I stress over any contact. both before and after contact. when i know i have to see the Dr i cant get past my

headache. I hate to drive now. I have dizzy spells and don't feel its safe to drive. I am a prisoner in my home and in my body. Everyone says work harder.. I try to work a little harder and it puts me in bed for days on end. So at first chance i try again, only to be back in bed again. Depression is always there trying to take over. For darkness to control my every move my every mood. Darkness and despair closing in. I feel no control like before when I nearly ruined my marriage. But this time my dear Mitch knows I am emotionally ill. He has a rope around me to try keep me stable. I wish i knew a way out of this dark tunnel i have found myself in time after time. I found this wonderful group that has helped me greatly. In 2006 I was finally approved for disability. Now the updated version: 3/07 My life is oh so different.. Yet still the same. I

still have all the same problems, just look at them differently now. Depression is still an issue. But despair has left. I can't tell you my stage or grade of liver problems. I just don't know. I can say I have hep c 1a. While it is frightening to know this, it is worse thinking WHAT IF I DIDN'T KNOW!!!! We think I got hep in 1984 during skin graft surgery where some donor skin was used. BUT HOW I GOT IT DOES NOT MATTER. I have it. But it does not have me like it did in the time fraim when I wrote the above portion. Now I live with hep c. But IT DOES NOT CONTROL ME!! I am 34 yrs old. I am 5'7 and weigh 455 lbs. VERY FAT INDEED. Not only has my massive weight taken a toll on my body, now it is standing in between me and my fight against this dragon. I have been told that tx is not an option until I lose weight. Because the tx is adjusted by your weight as well as genotype. Add to that, I have been on tx before with no SVR. I am currently letting my body relax for the fight.

I am in the process of getting things ready for bariatric syrgery. I have a nuclear stress test set up for Tues and Wed. The dr doing it does it in 2 stages. Part 1 on day 1 part 2 on day 2. This is the final test required before setting a date for surgery. I had chose A RNY procedure. The dr has decided that is too much of a risk for me. With the RNY LARGE amounts of protein are required. That is a major no no with liver disease. So the dr has decided on doing the lapband procedure. I didn't like the change at first. But I understand his point and he is the Surgeon.... My HOPE is to lose weight and attack the dragon. I don't know if it will happen that way or not. Only time will tell. During my surgery I will have a liver biopsy done to better pinpoint where I stand as far as liver health. My last vl was about 3 months ago. It has stayed close to 2 mill for nearly 2 years now. Well a phone call derailed my train of thought.... Oh I was dxd with Attention def dysorder

recently. SOOO many issues so little memory to address them. Dannella Boyd aka d aka ringy dingy danne aka danne I am available for private support dannegrl2003@..." If you are intrested in emailing me to vent or just to know you are not alone, I am here am I promise to not take so long getting back to you. Hugs d Janice wrote: I found out 7 years ago that I have Hep C. About 3 years agoe so necative but i had treatment for a year of the 2 meds. Cant think of what they r.Well my count was over 7 million before the treatment,didnt quite finish it because the pain got too excrutiating for me. My husband was diagnosed with dementia during this time and I was trying to hold my job.Well the tests showed no viral count in the end till last july. I found that the count came back and has increased, now I have no help. My mind is too foggy to work, my exboss had no compassion, and i dont ever know how weak I will feel to perform or how bad the pain in my bones will be so I cant work. No money, no tests, no doctor. My husband has diability my sons

do what they can to help me with the bills and my credit cards r still maxed out from the last time I needed help. I went to the state they said I would have to have aids to help me. I really give up. I dont mean to be negative but I read about people and they get help not sure where to start. I wanted to apply for disability but I dont even have the money for a doctor.If anybody has any ideas please advise. Thank u very much!By the way am I the only one with these simptons or am I crazy? .

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