Re: muscle testing, was Holy crapola

[Guest guest]

This comment was not very nice.

I think there is enough space in this world for two differing opinions.

has his own experience with helping very sick people and from his point

of view, muscle testing is not something he can rely on to help his people. You

GB are also competent in your own field and you feel that muscle testing is a

good tool for you.

I think that people can choose what they want to pursue for their own issues. If

muscle testing was so great, more people would have been helped. That is not to

say that no one is helped but when you deal with stage 4 cancer, there are

alternatives that can help you more quickly if you know what they are.

From my end as a clinical nutritionist, muscle testing turned out to be

completely different than blood testing for food allergies. It has wasted my

time and my client's precious time in formulating a food plan. I also have not

appreciated the incredible dependence on the muscle testing to take food or

supplements. One family's little 3 year old almost died because their allegiance

was to muscle testing. It was done by a reputable practitioner here in town. The

blood test revealed a very different story.

I can speak for myself................before I became a clinical nutritionist 20

years ago, I submitted myself to muscle testing then. I had 5 cancers in 5 years

at the time. Anyhow, it did not help me very much. Now, 20 years later, after

intense blood and saliva testing, they discovered I am a celiac. The muscle

testing never indicated this at all. My family was shocked and now, we are

testing all the kids to see if they all suffer from this before they leave our

nest. There is enough time still to teach them this change of lifestyle.

Once again, I respect your experience but I would not attack 's

experience. He works with people in very critical condition. (Been there and

done that as a patient and a practitioner.)

Johanne

From: Guru K

Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:01 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: muscle testing, was Holy crapola

Even by your own admission, one double blinded test is not reliable.

If I take a one person poll and one person says they are for McCain,

does that mean McCain will win? I agree that muscle testing should

be tested more but does that make it invalid? It seems that your

own conclusions are buried in bias. I think people should be open

to the possibility until proved otherwise. I have seen very good

results from muscle testing.

GB

>

> I could never understand the fascination with muscle testing. It

> seems so popular with holistic practitioners that I took a course

in

> it from Bradley , D.C. who is lauded as an expert. During

the

> course I witnessed muscle testing being used by proxy to assess

the

> health of people miles away. A woman with unexplained pains was

> diagnosed with nephroptosis and the chiropractor manipulated her

> kidneys (or so it was claimed) back to their correct perches.

>

> I inescapably concluded that muscle testing is a shared fantasy of

> the practitioner and the client. It might be a useful tool for

> plumbing the depths of some hidden parts of one's mind for those

who

> find this interesting, but it makes no sense to use it to

prescribe

> medical treatments.

>

> When a practitioner who practices applied kinesiology comes to our

> seminars I offer to set up a double blinded test of their skills.

I

> have had only one acceptance. We set it up, muscle tested the

items

> repeatedly, and then unblinded the tests. The results were

> completely stochastic.

>

> Precious few people are curious about flaws in their own thinking.

> Perhaps they fear that their whole world will unravel.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even by your own admission, one double blinded test is not reliable.

If I take a one person poll and one person says they are for McCain,

does that mean McCain will win? I agree that muscle testing should

be tested more but does that make it invalid? It seems that your

own conclusions are buried in bias. I think people should be open

to the possibility until proved otherwise. I have seen very good

results from muscle testing.

GB

>

> I could never understand the fascination with muscle testing. It

> seems so popular with holistic practitioners that I took a course

in

> it from Bradley , D.C. who is lauded as an expert. During

the

> course I witnessed muscle testing being used by proxy to assess

the

> health of people miles away. A woman with unexplained pains was

> diagnosed with nephroptosis and the chiropractor manipulated her

> kidneys (or so it was claimed) back to their correct perches.

>

> I inescapably concluded that muscle testing is a shared fantasy of

> the practitioner and the client. It might be a useful tool for

> plumbing the depths of some hidden parts of one's mind for those

who

> find this interesting, but it makes no sense to use it to

prescribe

> medical treatments.

>

> When a practitioner who practices applied kinesiology comes to our

> seminars I offer to set up a double blinded test of their skills.

I

> have had only one acceptance. We set it up, muscle tested the

items

> repeatedly, and then unblinded the tests. The results were

> completely stochastic.

>

> Precious few people are curious about flaws in their own thinking.

> Perhaps they fear that their whole world will unravel.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even though and I tangled yesterday (and I'd like to put that

aside and move on) I will somewhat support him on this one. If

something cannot pass a double-blind test, it is probably bogus.

However I will agree with Guru K that maybe we should all do our own

double-blind tests to get a wider " testbed " of information.

> >

> > I could never understand the fascination with muscle testing. It

> > seems so popular with holistic practitioners that I took a course

> in

> > it from Bradley , D.C. who is lauded as an expert. During

> the

> > course I witnessed muscle testing being used by proxy to assess

> the

> > health of people miles away. A woman with unexplained pains was

> > diagnosed with nephroptosis and the chiropractor manipulated her

> > kidneys (or so it was claimed) back to their correct perches.

> >

> > I inescapably concluded that muscle testing is a shared fantasy

of

> > the practitioner and the client. It might be a useful tool for

> > plumbing the depths of some hidden parts of one's mind for those

> who

> > find this interesting, but it makes no sense to use it to

> prescribe

> > medical treatments.

> >

> > When a practitioner who practices applied kinesiology comes to

our

> > seminars I offer to set up a double blinded test of their

skills.

> I

> > have had only one acceptance. We set it up, muscle tested the

> items

> > repeatedly, and then unblinded the tests. The results were

> > completely stochastic.

> >

> > Precious few people are curious about flaws in their own

thinking.

> > Perhaps they fear that their whole world will unravel.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can't argue this one... that's for sure.

We rape our planet's natural resources,

> we always keep a few wars going, we do virtually nothing to protect

> our health or our environment, we numb our brains with idiotic TV and

> moronic radio, and we hand our governments over to the cruelest

thieves.

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