Yet More on Copper and Cancer -- including off label administration of drug TM

[Guest guest]

Dearest Jim,

Call here 800-888-4353.

They sell copper-free multiples.

http://secure.unikeyhealth.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS & Category=15

Ann Louise Gittleman has great teaching on copper toxicity.

I can email you more info if you want.

Blessings,

Johanne

From: jrrjim

Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:39 PM

Subject: [ ] Yet More on Copper and Cancer -- including " off label "

administration of drug TM

I went to the health food store today, and virtually every thyroid

supplement they had was LOADED with copper. And this was a good

health food store! Interesting.

>

> It appears that copper levels are elevated in everyone with cancer,

and

> it may be next to impossible to lower them without drug

intervention.

> Apparently almost all foods have copper, with liver and shellfish

being

> the worst (highest concentrations). (So anyone chugging calf liver

> juice as a part of the Gerson protocol should be aware of this --

but

> YUCK!!!)

>

> There is apparently a drug that will lower copper levels in people,

but

> it takes 2 months to accomplish this. It is called TM. Note also

that

> high zinc and vitamin C intake will lower copper levels in the

blood.

>

> Copper apparently fuels angiogenesis in cancer cells, which is the

> infiltration of the tumor with new blood vessels to feed them. BAD.

>

> There is a web page dealing with copper, angiogenesis, and the drug

TM:

>

> http://www.infiltec.com/anticopper/

>

[Guest guest]

I went to the health food store today, and virtually every thyroid

supplement they had was LOADED with copper. And this was a good

health food store! Interesting.

>

> It appears that copper levels are elevated in everyone with cancer,

and

> it may be next to impossible to lower them without drug

intervention.

> Apparently almost all foods have copper, with liver and shellfish

being

> the worst (highest concentrations). (So anyone chugging calf liver

> juice as a part of the Gerson protocol should be aware of this --

but

> YUCK!!!)

>

> There is apparently a drug that will lower copper levels in people,

but

> it takes 2 months to accomplish this. It is called TM. Note also

that

> high zinc and vitamin C intake will lower copper levels in the

blood.

>

> Copper apparently fuels angiogenesis in cancer cells, which is the

> infiltration of the tumor with new blood vessels to feed them. BAD.

>

> There is a web page dealing with copper, angiogenesis, and the drug

TM:

>

> http://www.infiltec.com/anticopper/

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:39 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:

>I went to the health food store today, and virtually every thyroid

>supplement they had was LOADED with copper. And this was a good

>health food store! Interesting.

This was a health food STORE, not a health food dispensary. Their

mission is to make a profit in the health realm. Profits are not

very high and employees make low wages. Most employees have achieved

their highest skill level. Many seem very knowledgeable as they can

quickly help you find the products you seek and perhaps suggest

additional ways to spend your money.

I made ammonium tetrathiomolybdate and tried using it with zinc

sulfate. I am not fond of such therapies but they can be useful if

used as part of a concerted angiogensis inhibition strategy. This

can include the concurrent use D-penicillamine, cartilage, sea

urchin, squalamine, theobromine, low-dose thalidomide, & c. Don't

forget that angiogenesis is highly conserved and we have at least

three major pathways to crosscut. If this weren't the case then

improper diet alone would contribute to many cases of phocomelia. It

is natural to dovetail this strategy with an MMPI strategy.

A common flaw in cancer thinking is that just because a tumor cell is

high or low in a nutrient or mineral, it must be

corrected. Sometimes this is simply the body using its native

methods to attempt to control a cancer.

Another common flaw is that of placing too much importance on the

cancer's biochemistry. Keep in mind that the distortions you see are

only those that you test for, but never the ones you don't think to

test for or of which we are simply ignorant. I am constantly amazed

at the important biochemical pathways that have been discovered or

elucidated in the past 20 years. Who would have dreamed of the

importance of nitric oxide?

As long as thinking flaws are being discussed, don't forget that all

our formal learning and all our analyses are conducted in language

with all the limitations of vocabulary, grammar, and syntax. Our

puny brains are almost forced to think metaphorically. Real wisdom

comes with the smarts to realize when an analogy is starting to break

-- and they all do. We have no other way to map reality than through

language, math,and occasionally pictures and diagrams, but then we

fill in all the gaps with fantasy. We are all a bunch of

whifflebrains who are lucky when we can snatch even a small piece of

the puzzle.

[Guest guest]

> As long as thinking flaws are being discussed, don't forget that all

> our formal learning and all our analyses are conducted in language

> with all the limitations of vocabulary, grammar, and syntax. Our

> puny brains are almost forced to think metaphorically. Real wisdom

> comes with the smarts to realize when an analogy is starting to break

> -- and they all do. We have no other way to map reality than through

> language, math,and occasionally pictures and diagrams, but then we

> fill in all the gaps with fantasy. We are all a bunch of

> whifflebrains who are lucky when we can snatch even a small piece of

> the puzzle.

There are many other ways to map reality than through math, language,

pictures and diagrams and they do not involve the use of fantasy. This

is only your opinion so perhaps its best not to speak in such

absolutes.

Personally I hope we move away from these kind of disparaging

summations and get back to some more positive and constructive

discussions.

[Guest guest]

For as long as I have been involved with this fine list, fantasy continues to

rear its head and always will because of the nature of humankind.

Reality? Truth? What is reality and what is truth and what are the 'many' ways

one can establish merit regarding health? Some person's claim of benefit based

upon someone's credentials, most of which none of us can verify?

The point of 'absolutes' came about days ago when people were using the word

'cure' or when 'always' or 'cause' are used. People on the list need comments

from experienced practitioners that can support their claim of expertise not

simply throw titles at us. I have no idea about the qualifications of some

people that claim expertise and have no way of knowing the validity of the

claims whereas with , I have personal experience and knowledge of others

with the same experience to give validity to claims of indicating

qualifications.

Many people continue to ask questions until they hear the answer they want to

hear and this applies to many areas aside from health. This is why there is a

'new and exciting' product popping up just about every month often priced just

enough for a $39.00 fee for a month's supply of something. Just look at the

Bottom Line ads that promote any number of 'magical' approaches to better

health. If one purchased every one of the hyped books one would expect to live

forever providing the mountain of books didn't fall on them.

People with advanced cancer need to shrug off the fantasy and hype and be in

contact with people that know what works and what doesn't because of experience,

not simply saying it is so.

Joe C.