Help, please

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri, first off, I KNOW how scary this must be for you! Bottom line

is..you have lost and will continue to lose! 20 pounds in less than a month is

GREAT! Are you weighing every day or close to? I found that when I use to

weigh in too much I would get really discouraged. I hit my first plateau at 8

weeks out. I mean it STOPPED! and I freaked out! It lasted almost 10 days and I

was sooo worried, I posted about it and even called Dr. R. And you know

everything that everyone said would happen..happened. Your body is going thru a

lot of adjusting right now..give it some time to figure out whats just happened

to it and just try not to focus on your weight. Your probably losing inches

during this time. Dr R basically told me what I just told you and said to " be

patient " . It sounds like your eating well so just keep doing what your doing

and I'll bet that scale starts moving again soon. It has to, you've been

re-plumbed! Were all different in how much we lose and when we lose. My weight

loss is slowing down again and honestly I'm not too concerned. I just say " bad

scale " and move on with my day. Have you talked to Dr R since your right

there in Vegas? And what did he tell you when you had gained weight that very

first week? Please don't panic or feel depressed. It's all going to work out in

the end and the " end " is what matters! Take care of yourself Cheri and try

staying off that " bad scale "

[Guest guest]

4 words.... Protein Shakes and Citrucel.

If you would like more info let me know privately.

s in va

>

> Hi MGB'ers

> Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

> I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped

losing.

> I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

> drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

> the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

> the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

> not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

> pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin

back

> to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

> depressed because of this.

> I eat during the day similiar to this:

> 8 oz V8

> 1/2 cup cottage cheese

> 2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

> 1/4 cup grapefruit

> 1 cup shrimp salad

> 1/2 an apple

> 2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

> and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

>

> Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

> This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

> I need some incouragement.

>

> Vegas Cheri

> 268/247

>

[Guest guest]

<MrsTK5@...> wrote:4 words.... Protein Shakes and Citrucel.

If you would like more info let me know privately.

s in va

>

> Hi MGB'ers

> Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

> I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped

losing.

> I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

> drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

> the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

> the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

> not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

> pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin

back

> to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

> depressed because of this.

> I eat during the day similiar to this:

> 8 oz V8

> 1/2 cup cottage cheese

> 2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

> 1/4 cup grapefruit

> 1 cup shrimp salad

> 1/2 an apple

> 2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

> and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

>

> Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

> This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

> I need some incouragement.

>

> Vegas Cheri

> 268/247

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - I didn't start cheese and peanut butter until just recently and I am now 4

months out. Also, I did have some plateaus in the first couple of weeks. Be

patient with yourself and it will come off.......

Jill

6-29-05

268/198

<MrsTK5@...> wrote:

4 words.... Protein Shakes and Citrucel.

If you would like more info let me know privately.

s in va

>

> Hi MGB'ers

> Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

> I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped

losing.

> I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

> drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

> the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

> the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

> not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

> pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin

back

> to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

> depressed because of this.

> I eat during the day similiar to this:

> 8 oz V8

> 1/2 cup cottage cheese

> 2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

> 1/4 cup grapefruit

> 1 cup shrimp salad

> 1/2 an apple

> 2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

> and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

>

> Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

> This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

> I need some incouragement.

>

> Vegas Cheri

> 268/247

>

[Guest guest]

20 pounds in less than a month? I Don't understand what the problem is?

Mikee

Hi MGB'ers

Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped losing.

I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin back

to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

depressed because of this.

I eat during the day similiar to this:

8 oz V8

1/2 cup cottage cheese

2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

1/4 cup grapefruit

1 cup shrimp salad

1/2 an apple

2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

I need some incouragement.

Vegas Cheri

268/247

[Guest guest]

You asked so here goes...

You are a month postop today .... and you have lost 21 pounds

according to the stats you posted. Have you ever in your life lost

21 pounds in a month??? I lost 10 pounds the first two weeks ....

and then nothing for at least another two weeks. You have to be

patient.

As for what you are eating... it sounds to me like what you are

eating is not particularly " stomach friendly " . You should still be

eating relatively soft foods. My biggest concern was the " shrimp

salad " and the apple. However, if it is not causing stomach upset,

burning, etc. I guess it is fine.

My suggestion is --- eat healthy, eat " clean " -- and try, try, try

and be patient.

in GA

>

> Hi MGB'ers

> Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

> I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped

losing.

> I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

> drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

> the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

> the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

> not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

> pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin

back

> to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

> depressed because of this.

> I eat during the day similiar to this:

> 8 oz V8

> 1/2 cup cottage cheese

> 2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

> 1/4 cup grapefruit

> 1 cup shrimp salad

> 1/2 an apple

> 2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

> and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

>

> Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

> This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

> I need some incouragement.

>

> Vegas Cheri

> 268/247

>

[Guest guest]

Plateaus will happen that's for sure and it gets us all eventually! I had one

at 7 weeks out, I lost 44 pounds and then all of a sudden a 2 week long plateau

and I stayed on stage I for a full two weeks and stage II for a full 6 weeks! I

was strict with my eating habits and stuck to the (old) rules - nothing hard or

chewy for 2 whole months. The plateau subsided and was on the road to losing

again. At 3 months - I'd lost 70 pounds! I'm not 180 pounds down and weigh 210

from 390 - at 15 months out. Its a tremendous loss but I am now stuck here!

I've lost about 5 pounds in the last 2.5 months - I've been bouncing up and down

the scales 2-4 pounds weekly and I do a major no-no by weighing daily, but I

don't let it get to me at all. The hardest thing for me right now is dealing

with all this extra skin and the fact that I personally will not get to my goal

without plastic surgery because of all this excess skin. I knew I'd have it,

and a lot of it. I've fallen into some bad

eating habits too - I love chocolate and unfortunately - I can handle it with

no problems. I'm not gaining and do eat it in moderation but I didn't used to

and avoided sweets completely for the first year! I think a lot of it is

hormones, I had my tubes tied at the end of May and that's when the chocolate

monster came out! I can tolerate ANYTHING (besides milk and raw brocolli), so I

have to watch what I eat and how much. There are times when we can eat a lot

more than we think we should and I " m no exception to that rule! I am working

out regularly and that helps too. I still drink my Muscle MIlk and eat protein

bars daily, so besides the chocolate and occational burger (about 2/3 of one),

I'm doing most everything right. I eat a lot healthier and more frequently than

I ever have in my life.

Be aware what and how much you are eating! Watch carbs, fried stuff, and sweets

for as long as you can! Keep positive and don't let the scales get you down.

Even when you are on a plateau, there is a good possibility you are losing

inches! I know I am losing inches even without weight loss. I measure myself

monthly and it amazes me the inches that I lose even when the weight slows or

stops!

Take care and God Bless!

Michele (Chels) in Mid-MO

8/3/04

390/210/??? (180 goal)

Dr. H & Raj in FL

Jill <jmjackson_2001@...> wrote:

<MrsTK5@...> wrote:4 words.... Protein Shakes and Citrucel.

If you would like more info let me know privately.

s in va

>

> Hi MGB'ers

> Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

> I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped

losing.

> I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

> drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

> the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

> the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

> not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

> pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin

back

> to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

> depressed because of this.

> I eat during the day similiar to this:

> 8 oz V8

> 1/2 cup cottage cheese

> 2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

> 1/4 cup grapefruit

> 1 cup shrimp salad

> 1/2 an apple

> 2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

> and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

>

> Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

> This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

> I need some incouragement.

>

> Vegas Cheri

> 268/247

>

[Guest guest]

Vegas Cheri, It is soooo easy to get stressed out... trust me I know... And I

think that some of us who have accomplished our goal forget how, nervous,

stressed, worried that this would be ANOTHER thing that wouldnt work for us, we

were after surgery... Just relax and try not to think about it.. YOU WILL start

losing!!! I was so worried and thought it would never work for me and now I am

15 months out and have lost 145lbs. IT WORKS trust me!!! You just need to

relax and watch what you eat and keep posting or atleast reading the posts... it

helps to read what everyone is going through and know that your not the only

one!!! Keep your spirits up and pray pray pray for strength because the one

thing Ive noticed is that just because the weight is gone... our mind frame is

still the same!!! I still want to eat when Im Sad, Lonely, Depressed, Happy,

Excited, Bored, ... its " normal " for me!!! ) Not such a good thing... LOL

One step at a time right?

Taryn

Aug. 18 2004

294-149

mbauls@... wrote:

20 pounds in less than a month? I Don't understand what the problem is?

Mikee

Hi MGB'ers

Hope someone can help and give some suggestions about what to do.

I had surgery on Oct 4 of this year and already have stopped losing.

I gained 7 pounds the first week and wasn't eating anything but

drinking soups, gatorade etc. Not, have lost about 20 lbs but for

the past 2 weeks have gained a lb or lost a lb, basically staying

the same as 3 weeks out. This is quite discouraging for this to

not be working at this stage. It's like paying a $1000 dollars a

pound! And I am still huge. And I had to bump up my insulin back

to 1/2 half what I was taking and still on BP meds. I am so

depressed because of this.

I eat during the day similiar to this:

8 oz V8

1/2 cup cottage cheese

2 ritz with thin layer of peanut butter

1/4 cup grapefruit

1 cup shrimp salad

1/2 an apple

2 thin slivers of hard parmeasean cheese

and lots of electrolyte water and all vitamins etc.

Any suggestions what to do? How to get this weight moving off?

This isn't even slow, it is stopped!

I need some incouragement.

Vegas Cheri

268/247

[Guest guest]

neurologic problems while on Enbrel? anybody know more about that? My son has

been on it for 2 months now and he has devoloped a tic in his

eyes--blinking--recently. perhaps I should run that by his rhuemetologist.

My youngest son gets heat rash a lot, and it can happen all over his body but

it fades out as soon as the area begins to cool off.

Is there a possibility she got into poison ivy? I thought a rash several

months ago was due to the meds but it was poison ivy. None of my other kids had

gotten the rash and they and all played in the same area, the doc said that was

probably b/c the mtx lowered his immune system and he's more susceptible (sp?)

to everything. Is she scratching at it? I hope you find out what the rash is,

I hate to see any kiddos miserable.

" newmom2003@... " <newmom2003@...> wrote:

Good morning,

Audrey developed a rash sometime yesterday, and I noticed it last night.

It covers the upper part of her chest and back. I thought it might be a

heat rash, but everything I've read says that heat rash tends to be in the

folds of skin - neck, armpit, groin, etc. It looks like little bumps and

the bumps are red. Any ideas? Or do I take her to her doctor? I looked

at a bunch of pictures of psoriasis as well, and it doesn't look like any

of those.

On another note, we had a HUGE storm pass through here on Tuesday, and it

knocked the power out here at work. Next door to us is the chronic pain

management clinic, and I was talking to one of the docs while we were

waiting on the power to come back on. I've gotten to know one of the docs

pretty good, and he keeps up with what's going on with Audrey. I told him

my theory that the reason she doesn't complain about pain is that she's

just gotten used to it, and he agreed. He said she's not suffering - she

has accepted her level of pain as normal for her, and I have to worry when

she's starting to complain, because that means it's more than normal for

her. I told him that's that is just really sad to say about a 3 year old,

and he agreed. He also agreed with the doctor that she probably won't ever

outgrow this - we may get her into periods of remission, but it will flare

again and we'll have to start the battle all over. He also told me to

watch her very carefully for any neurologic problems that may appear while

on Enbrel. He wouldn't tell me why because he said he didn't want to scare

me, but I said I would watch her carefully.

Any advice on the rash? I was going to take pictures of it this morning,

but it was one of those mornings. I tried putting prescription strength

hydrocortisone on it, and it didn't make a difference at all.

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[Guest guest]

Hi and all,

Here's a brief excerpt, below, that explains a bit about some of the possible

adverse reactions. I'm so glad you asked, as I had previously read about but

forgotten the part about aplastic anemia. Next time I have a chance, I'll have

something else to look up now, to see if perhaps that has something to do with

the anemia my son's currently experiencing.

Aloha, Georgina

Etanercept

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/bones/Rheumatoid Arthritis/ra.treat.newdrug.\

etaner.htm

Etanercept inhibits the action of a protein called tumor necrosis factor, which

invades the joints of people with RA. Injections are administered twice weekly.

Patients may start to see results two weeks to three months after treatment

begins.

Etanercept should be used with caution in people with heart failure because the

drug has the potential to worsen their condition. The drug can also cause

allergic reactions such as hives. Because serious infections have been reported

in people using etanercept, it might not be an appropriate treatment for people

who are susceptible to infection because of a weakened immune system.

Serious neurological problems, including multiple sclerosis, have also been

reported, as well as lymphoma and aplastic anemia (anemia caused by reduced

production of red blood cells by the bone marrow).

People taking the drug also need to be monitored by a doctor for neurological

symptoms such as confusion, numbness, changes in vision, and difficulty walking,

which may be signs of a rare but serious side effect in which the fatty sheath

that coats nerve fibers begins to disintegrate.

Common side effects are injection site reactions and headache.

Re: Help, please

neurologic problems while on Enbrel? anybody know more about that? My son has

been on it for 2 months now and he has devoloped a tic in his

eyes--blinking--recently. perhaps I should run that by his rhuemetologist.

My youngest son gets heat rash a lot, and it can happen all over his body but

it fades out as soon as the area begins to cool off.

Is there a possibility she got into poison ivy? I thought a rash several

months ago was due to the meds but it was poison ivy. None of my other kids had

gotten the rash and they and all played in the same area, the doc said that was

probably b/c the mtx lowered his immune system and he's more susceptible (sp?)

to everything. Is she scratching at it? I hope you find out what the rash is, I

hate to see any kiddos miserable.

" newmom2003@... " <newmom2003@...> wrote:

Good morning,

Audrey developed a rash sometime yesterday, and I noticed it last night.

It covers the upper part of her chest and back. I thought it might be a

heat rash, but everything I've read says that heat rash tends to be in the

folds of skin - neck, armpit, groin, etc. It looks like little bumps and

the bumps are red. Any ideas? Or do I take her to her doctor? I looked

at a bunch of pictures of psoriasis as well, and it doesn't look like any

of those.

On another note, we had a HUGE storm pass through here on Tuesday, and it

knocked the power out here at work. Next door to us is the chronic pain

management clinic, and I was talking to one of the docs while we were

waiting on the power to come back on. I've gotten to know one of the docs

pretty good, and he keeps up with what's going on with Audrey. I told him

my theory that the reason she doesn't complain about pain is that she's

just gotten used to it, and he agreed. He said she's not suffering - she

has accepted her level of pain as normal for her, and I have to worry when

she's starting to complain, because that means it's more than normal for

her. I told him that's that is just really sad to say about a 3 year old,

and he agreed. He also agreed with the doctor that she probably won't ever

outgrow this - we may get her into periods of remission, but it will flare

again and we'll have to start the battle all over. He also told me to

watch her very carefully for any neurologic problems that may appear while

on Enbrel. He wouldn't tell me why because he said he didn't want to scare

me, but I said I would watch her carefully.

Any advice on the rash? I was going to take pictures of it this morning,

but it was one of those mornings. I tried putting prescription strength

hydrocortisone on it, and it didn't make a difference at all.

----------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> .... Any others?

Yes, TSH suppression is also used to slow the growth of neoplasms in the

thyroid. That is considered an " off label " cancer treatment, as is

depression treatment. Other on label uses include low doses for mild

hypoT and full doses for myxedema coma. In the first, the low doses are

not considered to perturb the thyroid axis. In the second, it is

evidently quicker than T4 at restoring organ functions. By that stage,

the peripheral organs may have lost the full capability to convert T4 to

T3.

Of course, the big bugaboo is that the competitive weight lifting

community suffered several fatalities attributed to using Cytomel to

lose weight and achieve the proper " cut. " However, they were also

typically using anabolic steroids and other drugs. It is not clear that

Cytomel alone was to blame. This episode, mostly in the 1980s, has

heightened the conservatism about T3 and low TSH. For example, although

studies of Grave's disease and low TSH from T4 have shown cardiac damage

and osteoporosis, no work to my knowledge has ever studied the risk of

low TSH when it is induced by a T3 type medication. That really needs to

be sorted out.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

- ring your GP and make an appointment today, tell him exactly

what you have done and ask for his help.

Chris

>

> Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.

> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel

well at

> all and infact worse now than when I started this HC. I feel as if

I

> have put myself back 2yrs and wish I hadnt, when would it seem

sensible

> and safe to increase my T4? I had a 3 week break from it and

started

> back last wed night on 50mcg, I am now so confused at what to do,

I

> feel sick every morning just like I did before diagnosis, feel sad

and

> low, could cry actually. I cant speak to Dr P until next

wednesday, my

> body aches and I tire easily again. Its all becoming so hard and I

feel

> like going to bed and giving it, how much strenght is one person

meant

> to have in order to carry on, how much can the body and mind take

> before saying 'enough'?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

It may help to take 10mg of hydrocortisone first thing in the day and

let that keep you going for as long as you need, then top up a little

later say, mid-afternon to 5.00pm with approximately 5mg of

hydrocortisone.....you my need a little more, a little less, but this

should provide a reasonable baseline.

Thyroxine next...

best wishes

Bob

>

> Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.

> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel well

at

[Guest guest]

,

.....are you taking your thyroxine at night?

Bob

> Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.

> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel well

at all and infact worse now than when I started this HC. I feel as if

[Guest guest]

Yes I am. started it last wed night at 50mcg

From: bob.m9uk <Bob.m9uk@...>Subject: Re: Help, pleasethyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 9 September, 2008, 9:23 AM

,....are you taking your thyroxine at night?Bob> Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel well at all and infact worse now than when I started this HC. I feel as if

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't know how much T4 you were taking before you stopped. I'm not sure what the current reccomendation are, but when I started HC I only stopped T4 for 5 days before commencing Armour and then T3. It would now make sense to increase your T4 as your need for thyroid replacement will not go away with adrenal supplementation. At this point most if not all of the T4 that you were taking has now left your body leaving it profoundly hypo- hence the difficulty in making clear decisions- hypo causes depression and muddled thinking.

> thyroid treatment > From: xxsarahxx_40@...> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:38:47 +0000> Subject: Help, please> > Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel well at > all and infact worse now than when I started this HC. I feel as if I > have put myself back 2yrs and wish I hadnt, when would it seem sensible > and safe to increase my T4? I had a 3 week break from it and started > back last wed night on 50mcg, I am now so confused at what to do, I > feel sick every morning just like I did before diagnosis, feel sad and > low, could cry actually. I cant speak to Dr P until next wednesday, my > body aches and I tire easily again. Its all becoming so hard and I feel > like going to bed and giving it, how much strenght is one person meant > to have in order to carry on, how much can the body and mind take > before saying 'enough'?> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

I was taking 150mcg of T4 now I take just 50mcg but was under the impression that while taking HC the thyroid hormones will be utillised quicker and more effeciently so the need for more T4 would become less, I am feeling really poorly, tearful so very tired and lacking in everything. I dont know how quick to increase the T4, been on 50mcg for 6 days. My heart feels so heavy if that makes sense. I really didnt expect this to be so hard. Its very frightening and like I said just like being back at square one and that in itself is depressing.

I stopped T4 for 9 days, then started HC and went back on T4 2 weeks after, so in all was off T4 for 3 weeks

From: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Help, pleasethyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 9 September, 2008, 12:37 PM

Hi , I don't know how much T4 you were taking before you stopped. I'm not sure what the current reccomendation > thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com> From: xxsarahxx_40@ .co. uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:38:47 +0000> Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Help, please> > Can anyone please help/ talk to me, I dont know what to do anymore.> I am currently taking 15mg of HC and 50mcg of T4, I do not feel well at > all and infact worse now than when I started this HC. I feel as if I > have put myself back 2yrs and wish I hadnt, when would it seem sensible > and safe to increase my T4? I had a 3 week break from it and started > back last wed night

on 50mcg, I am now so confused at what to do, I > feel sick every morning just like I did before diagnosis, feel sad and > low, could cry actually. I cant speak to Dr P until next wednesday, my > body aches and I tire easily again. Its all becoming so hard and I feel > like going to bed and giving it, how much strenght is one person meant > to have in order to carry on, how much can the body and mind take > before saying 'enough'?> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't

want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than

normal food.

I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any

food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure

I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.

[Guest guest]

Jim, Have you tried LDN?  Sometimes it takes rather long to start taking effect,

but other times it obviously helps immediately because among the case studies

presented at the recent worldwide conference, some of them were really in dire

straits.  Jan

From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10@...>

Subject: [ ] Help, please

Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:53 AM

I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't

want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than

normal food.

I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach, or

intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did show

multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably what

is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply to

the guts.

I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that worked

for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements down.

I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of any

food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm sure

I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't mind.

[Guest guest]

Jan What is LDN?

Thanks

Jan Knight wrote:

> Jim, Have you tried LDN? Sometimes it takes rather long to start taking

effect, but other times it obviously helps immediately because among the case

studies presented at the recent worldwide conference, some of them were really

in dire straits. Jan

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> From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10@...>

> Subject: [ ] Help, please

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> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:53 AM

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> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't

want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than

normal food.

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> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>

> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>

> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>

> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>

> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>

> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

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[Guest guest]

Low Dose Naltrexone.  There are several about LDN, and at least one

is specifically for people with cancer.  If you google LDN there is a ton of

information.  Good luck!  Jan

>

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> From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10>

> Subject: [ ] Help, please

>

> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:53 AM

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> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I don't

want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse than

normal food.

>

> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>

> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>

> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>

> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>

> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>

> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

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[Guest guest]

hi there, I assume you are under the care of a medical oncologist but you may

benefit from the assistance of a naturopath who specializes in oncology and may

have more options for you than are available in the traditional medical model.

You can search for a naturopathic oncologist at www.oncanp.org.

good luck

Dr. Raushanah Najeeullah, ND (Preceptee)

[Guest guest]

HI JIM,

WHERE DO YOU LIVE? MAY BE I CAN HELP YOU FIND AN ALTERNATIVE CANCER CLINIC IN

THE US AROUND YOUR AREA. I HAVE LEARNED THAT ALL DISEASES COME FROM THE COLON

AND IF YOU DO 15 COLONICS IN 1 MONTH AND YOU DETOXIFY ALL OF THE ORGANS AND GET

OXYGEN THERAPY AND IV THERAPY AND CHANGE YOUR DIET, YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD CHANCE TO

GET CURED

>

> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

>

> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>

> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>

> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>

> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>

> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>

> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jan

Jan Knight wrote:

> Low Dose Naltrexone. There are several about LDN, and at least

one is specifically for people with cancer. If you google LDN there is a ton of

information. Good luck! Jan

>

>

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>> From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10>

>> Subject: [ ] Help, please

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>> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:53 AM

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>> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

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>> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.

>>

>> I am so afraid. ANd I have no idea what to do. My whole battle plan that

worked for a year is now useless because I can't get any food or supplements

down.

>>

>> I would gladly try straight Budwig for awhile, but FO/CC hurts the worst of

any food I eat. I am in agony after eating it. I am so sorry, (Budwig

moderator) for picking fights with you in the past over supplements / no

supplements regarding Budwig. But for some reason, the FO/CC hurts really bad

after eating it for me -- probably a rare allergic reaction of some kind.

>>

>> Please forgive me, all, for any arguments I have caused or propogated in this

newsgroup over the last year.

>>

>> I need all of your love, help, and support more than ever. Without it, I'm

sure I only have a couple of months, if that. Please help, if you can.

>>

>> I am going to cross-post this in the oleander newsgroup. I hope you don't

mind.

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[Guest guest]

sorry, I do not understand " menasis " , what is it?

kerla

" jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> wrote:

>

> I've been going down fast in the last two months. I can't eat, in fact I

don't want to eat because it hurts so bad after I eat. Supplements hurt worse

than normal food.

>

> I got a CT scan. It showed no mets to liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, stomach,

or intestines. It did show a possible tumor in the left adrenal gland. It did

show multiple mets in the menasis (sp?). The doctor said that this is probably

what is causing the pain in the guts because it is cutting off the blood supply

to the guts.