This is damned serious stuff. Was Re: Cancer spreading

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On Jun 24, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Deidre Alejo wrote:

> LDN doesn't take 6 months to " Start " working.... But

> like any cancer protocol or conventional therapy the

> exam or check or check to see results are always

> scheduled a few months apart. Most people see

> results in a few months that is all just like any

> safe, natural protocol.

>

This is a former LDN post about the effects of LDN, and it's action of

stimulating production of endorphins, which starts happening

immediately-

From: TwisterAlley2@.....

Subject: [LDN_4_cancer] Bihari's night dosing of LDN

Date: May 12, 2008 10:42:54 AM PDT

LDN_4_cancer

Reply- LDN_4_cancer

According to Bihari......

The largest production of endorphins are made only between two and

four in the morning. The brain sends a message out to the adrenal and

pituitary glands and tells them to make endorphins. Giving a dose of

LDN three, four, five hours before that, at bedtime, is enough to make

that message from the brain much stronger.

Bihari said....

We hired a laboratory scientist to measure endorphin levels. We'd

measure in the afternoon, then we'd give the first dose at bedtime

that night. Then we'd measure again at the same time the next day;

then again at one week, and again at one month. The level of

endorphins went up by two hundred to three hundred percent.

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>

> Is all of that stuff you are taking budwig compliant?

> Thanks, Robyn

>

What does " Budwig compliant " mean? It means that it does not

conflict with what Joahana Budwig taught.

But maybe she didn't know everything. Or maybe she and her followers

came upon something that worked, and once it worked, they didn't dare

tinker with it, because to screw it up meant people might die.

Unfortunately she is not still around to ask questions to.

I would think that strictly speaking, EVERYTHING I mentioned is NOT

Budwig compliant, because Dr. Budwig did not have it in her protocol.

But some things are more non-compliant than others (LOL).

Bill and Duncan Crowe are two people (among others) who

extend the Budwig protocol. They take a scientific approach, and

say " wait - this might work better, and it might work better for

these reasons... " And they lay it out. Mike Golden of this group

does the same thing.

The Budwig people take a wholistic approach, and say " no, you can't

chop Bugwig up into individual pieces -- the entire protocol is more

than the sum of of its parts. "

Who is right? I don't know.

Basically, I don't think that beta glucan interferes with Budwig. I

don't think that LDN does either. IP6? CoQ10? Mike assures me that

these don't and he's a pretty smart guy.

[Guest guest]

Dave, is " very involved " with them or is he " the organization " himself?

Their website is extremely elusive about what exactly they do, who they are, who

all is involved, how they do what they do, what kind of " study " they do, how

long they've been around, etc.

When I've posted an inquiry about this here before, I got some emails from

someone " representing " , saying that is too busy to respond

directly but that the center is real and it saved this man's life or his wife's

life, can't recall which.

It all sounds so fishy to me! Why is info about them so scarce and hard to come

by?

Please share what you know about them.

Thank you,

Angel

Posted by: " Dave " feltdd

Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 am (PDT)

http://www.natural-oncology.org/about.htm

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phone (858) 523-9144 - fax (858) 523-0919 - or call toll free (800) 557-2944

* The Center for the Study of

Natural Oncology, Inc.

2658 Del Mar Heights Rd, #372

Del Mar, CA 92014

Toll Free: 800.557.2944

Phone: 858.523.9144

Fax: 858.523.0919

Email: staff@...

<mailto:staff@...>Web: www.natural-oncology.org

<http://www.natural-oncology.org>A 501 © 3, non-profit organization.

Gammill is very involved with them, excellent resource on cancer

treatment!

Dave Felt

DFE Research

http://www.dfe.net

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Angel, I know - he considers himself to be the " Director of

Research " at the Center for Natural Oncology. If you happen to be at the

Cancer Control Society this Labor Day weekend at Universal City Sheraton

(LA Area), he is always there on Saturday.

I suspect that he is just about everything at the Center; my impression

is that they bring in grants and other funding as best they can, and

make do with what they have. There have been other reports here from

some who either used his organization's services, or were told that

their case isn't serious enough or that the particular condition really

is best handled by other or conventional methods.

is not a fund-raiser (other than applying for grants?); your

email may have come from one of the volunteers who help out. I know they

have been around for a number of years (I first ran into them maybe 4

years ago, and I believe they'd been around several years before that.

They are not, as I understand, strictly " Alternative " , in that they

recommend whatever approache they have found works for a particular

condition. They don't put much attention into websites and the like. You

might like to call and chat. If they can help, they're not

cheap, but neither are they out for a certain number of xxxx cases a

week like some of the hospitals in Mexico (yes, I know people who have

worked at some of the Mexican clinics..)

My overall impression has always been that he is a very straight

shooter. Since his organization is not a hospital, but is a private

clinic (staffed with MDs and others as needed), they don't say much on

the website. If I were closer to them, I'd probably be a volunteer

there myself!

Dave Felt

http://www.dfe.net

On 6/25/2008 1:14:11 PM, toreadpeoplehealthinfo@... wrote:

> Dave, is " very involved " with them or is he " the organization "

> himself? Their website is extremely elusive about what exactly they do,

> who they are, who all is involved, how they do what they do, what

kind of

> " study " they do, how long they've been around, etc.

>

> When I've posted

> an inquiry about this here before, I got some emails from someone

> " representing " , saying that is too busy to respond

> directly but that the center is real and it saved this

> man's life or his