Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I would also like to receive the address of where this can be purchased. Bev. (Bchriste@...) Re: FDA Regulation of Supplements, to Kees Braam > > > > Yes, Kees the Netherlands has always been ahead of the U.S. > > in forward thinking or at least they have always been first to > > implement it. I remember back in the 1950s' and 60's there were many > > social policies from American researchers that were put forward but > > dismissed but some European countries looked at those ideas and > > implemented them. Anyway Kees, yes I would like for you to send me > > > > Yes please do send me the protocol that you speak of and also > > any info on the Moermen diet and the other diet. I believe the > > Moermen diet is a Dutch protocol or was written by a Dutchman. I have > > been to your site many times but unfortunately I only can read some > > words in Nederlander. I used to speak German but it's been now almost > > 25 years . Anyway, I will not be able to read the Nederlander parts > > of your site. > > > > Thank you so much Kees for all of your assistance. > > > > BOB > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, in the Netherlands there is like in Germany a good control on > > > nutritional supplements but also you can buy most of the nutritional > > > supplements free in every health shop. It goes further in the > > Netherlands > > > physicians are allowed to use nutritional supplements as a medicine > > even if > > > there haven't been fase III studies when the patient underscribes a > > document > > > he/she will take it for won risk. then the supplement can be given > > on > > > magistral base/receipt. In this way f.i. I know several patients > > here who > > > take the methylglyoxal and with some success. One man with a > > adenocarcuima > > > with metastases who got the mnessage january 2002 he might die soon > > and was > > > declared incurable started with a diet > > (Houtsmullerdiet/Moermandiet) with > > > extra supplements and in july 2002 when his CEA still got higher he > > also add > > > the methylglyoxal due to the protocol of Manju Ray. (if you want I > > can send > > > you this protocol) His story you ccan read in Dutch at: > > > www.kanker-actueel.nl/uw_ve.B.html In the beginning it seemed it > > didn't do > > > anything but from october 2002 the CEA lowered till now 9 (it came > > from 18) > > > and at scans his tumors and metastases are smaller then half a year > > ago The > > > last time (two weeks ago) they even couldn't see any tumors any > > longer. This > > > man visit as well an orthomolecular doctor and also an oncologist > > who does > > > since half a year some animalstudy to the effects of methylglyoxal > > and also > > > in these studies he talks about some sucess. So the free sell of > > vitamins is > > > at least not in whole Europe the same as in Germany. Why do you > > think Dr. > > > Rath is living in the netherlands and selling in Germany? > > > > > > Gr. kees Braam > > > webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl/index_e.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I would also like to receive the address of where this can be purchased. Bev. (Bchriste@...) Re: FDA Regulation of Supplements, to Kees Braam > > > > Yes, Kees the Netherlands has always been ahead of the U.S. > > in forward thinking or at least they have always been first to > > implement it. I remember back in the 1950s' and 60's there were many > > social policies from American researchers that were put forward but > > dismissed but some European countries looked at those ideas and > > implemented them. Anyway Kees, yes I would like for you to send me > > > > Yes please do send me the protocol that you speak of and also > > any info on the Moermen diet and the other diet. I believe the > > Moermen diet is a Dutch protocol or was written by a Dutchman. I have > > been to your site many times but unfortunately I only can read some > > words in Nederlander. I used to speak German but it's been now almost > > 25 years . Anyway, I will not be able to read the Nederlander parts > > of your site. > > > > Thank you so much Kees for all of your assistance. > > > > BOB > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, in the Netherlands there is like in Germany a good control on > > > nutritional supplements but also you can buy most of the nutritional > > > supplements free in every health shop. It goes further in the > > Netherlands > > > physicians are allowed to use nutritional supplements as a medicine > > even if > > > there haven't been fase III studies when the patient underscribes a > > document > > > he/she will take it for won risk. then the supplement can be given > > on > > > magistral base/receipt. In this way f.i. I know several patients > > here who > > > take the methylglyoxal and with some success. One man with a > > adenocarcuima > > > with metastases who got the mnessage january 2002 he might die soon > > and was > > > declared incurable started with a diet > > (Houtsmullerdiet/Moermandiet) with > > > extra supplements and in july 2002 when his CEA still got higher he > > also add > > > the methylglyoxal due to the protocol of Manju Ray. (if you want I > > can send > > > you this protocol) His story you ccan read in Dutch at: > > > www.kanker-actueel.nl/uw_ve.B.html In the beginning it seemed it > > didn't do > > > anything but from october 2002 the CEA lowered till now 9 (it came > > from 18) > > > and at scans his tumors and metastases are smaller then half a year > > ago The > > > last time (two weeks ago) they even couldn't see any tumors any > > longer. This > > > man visit as well an orthomolecular doctor and also an oncologist > > who does > > > since half a year some animalstudy to the effects of methylglyoxal > > and also > > > in these studies he talks about some sucess. So the free sell of > > vitamins is > > > at least not in whole Europe the same as in Germany. Why do you > > think Dr. > > > Rath is living in the netherlands and selling in Germany? > > > > > > Gr. kees Braam > > > webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl/index_e.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 There is a future for this class of compounds. I have probably used more methylglyoxal than anyone on the planet other than Manju Ray. Methylglyoxal is the only treatment that Manju uses because it is her life's work to study this chemical. It does have its uses, but it is not a magic bullet. Other methylglyoxal derivatives have been better researched, e.g., mitoguazone. You can get good results with methylglyoxal in humans if you are very careful to prescreen candidates. Part of the screening process that I developed is the consideration of other therapies a patient might use. Keep in mind that all aldehydes are extremely reactive with phenolics under physiological conditions. If this is not obvious to you think of the reactions that produce Bakelite. Of course you would have to include the ubiquitous catechols. There are so many excellent strategies to fight cancer that I haven't seen a need to use methylglyoxal for over three months. One has to weigh the potential benefit for the patient vs the potential of harm to the patient (toxicity) and harm to the therapist (liability). Methylglyoxal is occasionally very useful and I personally like Manju Ray, but I am very concerned that somebody out there will screw up with this med and some FDA-sanctioned Torquemada will round up all medical heretics. Anyone selling it should put warnings on the label, but that in itself would open the purveyor to liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.