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Martha,

If you don't mind me asking what is the name of the compliemtnary

doctor you are going to see? I am also going to see one in the next

week or so.

TH

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>

> I've recently tested positive for Lyme after a diagnosis of MS three

> years ago. It could be Lyme instead of MS, or in addition to.

>

> For starters, I've opted to see a local complementary doctor with some

> Lyme experience, in the absence of a local LLMD. I'm going in armed

with

> info.

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> News at 11, as they say.

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> If any of you also had MS/Lyme diagnoses, please write to me off-forum.

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Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

Does anyone know????

Just curious!!!!!

starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been

prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've

been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more

blood tests.

I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and

forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't

until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that

they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been

tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come

back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants.

It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done

I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction

from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always

moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have

this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also

been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming

a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does

anyone know?

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Hi,

I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal

reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical

advice - I'm curious of your quiery?

TTFN

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It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people are taking

both....

Just wondered....

starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote:

Hi,

I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal

reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical

advice - I'm curious of your quiery?

TTFN

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You wrote:

>

> It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people are

> taking both....

I don't think that was ever at the same time. We have lots who have

switched from one to the other at some point, so they can talk about

experience with both. This results in the endless argument over which

med is better. :)

The more common way to play with the T4/T3 ratio is to mix Cytomel with

the T4. Armour gives you a single ratio, fixed by the manufacturer,

which is neither what the pig produced nor what your own thyroid would

produce. When you take it orally, you don't absorb the T4 and T3 exactly

the same anyway, so the ratio that reaches the blood is a somewhat

individual outcome.

For many people, though, whatever ratio Armour delivers, it is " close

enough " to work well. Of course, for the vast majority with hypoT, T4 by

itself, is " close enough. " For people that convert too much of their T4

into RT3 instead of T3, it can be helpful to increase the T3 fraction,

even beyond what Armour delivers. Some even prefer 100% T3, at least for

a short time.

Chuck

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Hi,

like I said, Armour isn't a choice with me, so I'm grateful there is

the option of the synthetic meds - I've friends who's lives have been

transformed by Armour - but it's my personal choice on this.

So my personal quest is how to manage my synthetic meds with

suppliments/diet/etc., to maintain optimum health.

TTFN,

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There are people in the natural thryoid group that take both meds.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , B <babycakes442006@...> wrote:

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> It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people

are taking both....

>

> Just wondered....

>

>

> starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal

> reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical

> advice - I'm curious of your quiery?

> TTFN

>

>

>

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it is not advisable, unless the T4 dose is low, because armour has T4 in it and

you don't want too much T4 to out weight the T3- especially if you are a

non-converter of T4 to T3.

From: B

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Newbie introduction

Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

Does anyone know????

Just curious!!!!!

starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been

prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've

been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more

blood tests.

I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and

forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't

until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that

they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been

tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come

back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants.

It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done

I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction

from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always

moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have

this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also

been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming

a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does

anyone know?

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Ok thank you Nancie.....I trust your advice!

Have a nice day!

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

it is not advisable, unless the T4 dose is low, because armour has T4

in it and you don't want too much T4 to out weight the T3- especially if you are

a non-converter of T4 to T3.

From: B

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Newbie introduction

Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

Does anyone know????

Just curious!!!!!

starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been

prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've

been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more

blood tests.

I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and

forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't

until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that

they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been

tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come

back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants.

It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done

I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction

from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always

moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have

this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also

been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming

a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does

anyone know?

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> >

> > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

>

> Sure, but what condition would make that desirable?

>

> Chuck

The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of

hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need

the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3.

It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or

T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and

they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of

Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous

reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been

taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs

T4.

I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked

wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had

started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I

noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in

remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was

talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded

me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again,

and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains

went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4.

Sheila

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you have been most helpful!!!

I am experimenting also until i get it right!

campaigner77 <sheilaturner@...> wrote:

> >

> > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

>

> Sure, but what condition would make that desirable?

>

> Chuck

The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of

hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need

the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3.

It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or

T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and

they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of

Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous

reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been

taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs

T4.

I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked

wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had

started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I

noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in

remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was

talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded

me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again,

and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains

went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4.

Sheila

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Sheila,

You wrote:

>

> The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of

> hormones doesn't suit everybody....

I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the need

for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone.

One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in

fairly large increments of dose. Many end up alternating doses, which

does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half life.

In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your

problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total

right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3 gave

you too much. Is that a possibility?

Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are

metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4 and

T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with T3.

Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination

pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a

way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as it can.

Chuck

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HI Chuck

>

> Sheila,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance

of

> > hormones doesn't suit everybody....

>

> I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the

need

> for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone.

*** I am doubtful too, because the thyroid naturally puts out different

amounts of T4 and t3 throughout the day. However, as there has been much

misleading speculation on behalf of the British Thyroid Association (who

appear to run the diagnostic and treatment protocol here in the UK,

sadly) they have tried to rubbish Armour because they stated that the T4

and T3 was not standardised in every batch, and therefore, it was

dangerous. In the monograph on Armour, it was tested by four USA

laboratories and it was found that these WERE standardised to the USP

requirements. We need to get this over to everybody as far as we can to

quell this misinformation that has spread far and wide throughout the

world.

The majority of sufferers do well on T4 only, but we are trying to look

after the large minority who do not do well on it. I doubt if they were

doing well on synthetic thyroxine, the membership of hypothyroid forums

would not be so huge.

>

> One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in

> fairly large increments of dose.

Not sure what you mean here Chuck. Armour comes in 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 4

and 5 grain tablets (when we can get them).

Many end up alternating doses, which

> does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half

life.

> In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your

> problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total

> right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3

gave

> you too much. Is that a possibility?

If you need additional T3, either synthetic or natural, you need to take

this on a regular basis, split throughout the day because it cannot be

stored like synthetic thyroxine. I have found we are all different, and

you have often to experiment if you are not getting quite 'there' on

Armour. I experimented adding both (at different times) and the

combination I am taking now suits me completely. I have no idea why this

is, even Dr Peatfield tells me he doesn't understand, but there are

several people who have found a combination that works for them.

>

> Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are

> metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4

and

> T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with

T3.

> Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination

> pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a

> way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as

it can.

T2 and T1 do have metabolic activity and more and more research is

coming to light to show this, mainly in rats, but there have been human

studies done. I personally believe it is the T2 that is the 'magic'

ingredient in Armour and the reason why people do better taking Armour

than combination synthetic T4/T3. I think there will be more coming to

light about T2 and its benefits in the near future.

Sheila

>

> Chuck

>

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you should tell them to contact Forest pharmeutical who produce armour, because

I don't think forest would put out a product that did not have standardized

doses in each pill. it would be interesting to see what Forest's response would

be. LOL

nancie

From: campaigner77

Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:02 AM

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HI Chuck

>

> Sheila,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance

of

> > hormones doesn't suit everybody....

>

> I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the

need

> for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone.

*** I am doubtful too, because the thyroid naturally puts out different

amounts of T4 and t3 throughout the day. However, as there has been much

misleading speculation on behalf of the British Thyroid Association (who

appear to run the diagnostic and treatment protocol here in the UK,

sadly) they have tried to rubbish Armour because they stated that the T4

and T3 was not standardised in every batch, and therefore, it was

dangerous. In the monograph on Armour, it was tested by four USA

laboratories and it was found that these WERE standardised to the USP

requirements. We need to get this over to everybody as far as we can to

quell this misinformation that has spread far and wide throughout the

world.

The majority of sufferers do well on T4 only, but we are trying to look

after the large minority who do not do well on it. I doubt if they were

doing well on synthetic thyroxine, the membership of hypothyroid forums

would not be so huge.

>

> One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in

> fairly large increments of dose.

Not sure what you mean here Chuck. Armour comes in 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 4

and 5 grain tablets (when we can get them).

Many end up alternating doses, which

> does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half

life.

> In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your

> problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total

> right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3

gave

> you too much. Is that a possibility?

If you need additional T3, either synthetic or natural, you need to take

this on a regular basis, split throughout the day because it cannot be

stored like synthetic thyroxine. I have found we are all different, and

you have often to experiment if you are not getting quite 'there' on

Armour. I experimented adding both (at different times) and the

combination I am taking now suits me completely. I have no idea why this

is, even Dr Peatfield tells me he doesn't understand, but there are

several people who have found a combination that works for them.

>

> Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are

> metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4

and

> T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with

T3.

> Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination

> pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a

> way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as

it can.

T2 and T1 do have metabolic activity and more and more research is

coming to light to show this, mainly in rats, but there have been human

studies done. I personally believe it is the T2 that is the 'magic'

ingredient in Armour and the reason why people do better taking Armour

than combination synthetic T4/T3. I think there will be more coming to

light about T2 and its benefits in the near future.

Sheila

>

> Chuck

>

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Hi Nancie

BTA have already been given the information in spades, but the

trouble is, they seem to be having difficulty in accepting it.

Because the monograph for Armour was over 20 years old, they said

they wanted more up to date evidence. They have written that each

time they contacted Forest Pharmaceuticals for such information, they

never received a response LOL! The FDA would never have approved

Armour for prescription had the T4 and T3 not been standardised.

Sheila

>

> you should tell them to contact Forest pharmeutical who produce

armour, because I don't think forest would put out a product that did

not have standardized doses in each pill. it would be interesting to

see what Forest's response would be. LOL

> nancie

>

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that is interesting but why not try 4 grains of Armour? that's what I take,

plus cortef, sex hormones etc.

Gracia

> >

> > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time???

>

> Sure, but what condition would make that desirable?

>

> Chuck

The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of

hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need

the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3.

It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or

T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and

they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of

Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous

reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been

taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs

T4.

I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked

wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had

started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I

noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in

remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was

talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded

me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again,

and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains

went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4.

Sheila

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>

> Hi Bee and everyone!

>

> This is just a quick introduction for this board. I am truely

grateful

> for being led to this website and am trying to absorb all of the

wisdom

> and guidelines. It's fabulous, and I can't thank Bee enough for

helping

> me start the process of wellness.

+++Hello Carolyn! It's wonderful you found me and my group! Welcome

my dear.

Thank you for sharing your story, which many of us have also

experienced. I was sick for 25 years before curing my candida 20

years ago.

<snip>

> Then I found Bee's website (though and on-line board). I'm have

been reading and reading all the wonderful articles and about diet

and supplements and am confident I have NOW found the right healing

path for my body. I have been easing into Bee's curing candida plan

and am hopeful that I will start to feel better soon.

+++It's good you understand how important it is to ease into my

program. You have certainly found the " right healing path " - for

encouragement see these wonderful Success Stories:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

>I am crying as I write this with tears of joy. For the first time in

so many years, I can see light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

Thank you, thank you Bee!

+++You're making me cry too Carolyn! I call them " cheerful tearful "

tears. I'm so very honored and humbled to be able to help you. What

better fulfillment can life give to any one person?

We're all here to help you on your journey towards total health.

Onward & upward Carolyn!

Bee

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Thanks for the welcome Bee! :)

Just for the sake of any readers who are interested, I actually

missed mentioning a few difficult symptoms I have. They are brain

fog, Interstitial Cystitis and mirgraines.

I must have forgotten them due to the " brain fog " this morning!

Carolyn

> >

> > Hi Bee and everyone!

> >

> > This is just a quick introduction for this board. I am truely

> grateful

> > for being led to this website and am trying to absorb all of the

> wisdom

> > and guidelines. It's fabulous, and I can't thank Bee enough for

> helping

> > me start the process of wellness.

>

> +++Hello Carolyn! It's wonderful you found me and my group!

Welcome

> my dear.

>

> Thank you for sharing your story, which many of us have also

> experienced. I was sick for 25 years before curing my candida 20

> years ago.

>

> <snip>

>

> > Then I found Bee's website (though and on-line board). I'm have

> been reading and reading all the wonderful articles and about diet

> and supplements and am confident I have NOW found the right healing

> path for my body. I have been easing into Bee's curing candida plan

> and am hopeful that I will start to feel better soon.

>

> +++It's good you understand how important it is to ease into my

> program. You have certainly found the " right healing path " - for

> encouragement see these wonderful Success Stories:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

>

> >I am crying as I write this with tears of joy. For the first time

in

> so many years, I can see light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

> Thank you, thank you Bee!

>

> +++You're making me cry too Carolyn! I call them " cheerful

tearful "

> tears. I'm so very honored and humbled to be able to help you.

What

> better fulfillment can life give to any one person?

>

> We're all here to help you on your journey towards total health.

> Onward & upward Carolyn!

>

> Bee

>

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> Thanks for the welcome Bee! :)

>

> Just for the sake of any readers who are interested, I actually

> missed mentioning a few difficult symptoms I have. They are brain

> fog, Interstitial Cystitis and mirgraines.

>

> I must have forgotten them due to the " brain fog " this morning!

>

+++Hi Carolyn. We all understand how " brain fog " can hamper thinking

and memory. :)

Interstitial cystitis and migraine headaches are candida related too.

This program helps your whole body heal naturally no matter the

symptoms or malfunctions, so your body is treated as a whole, rather

than treating this and that symptom like doctors do.

Bee

P.S. Carolyn, would you please trim your messages? The instructions

were emailed to you when you joined, and they are posted on the Group

every 2 weeks too. Thanks a lot.

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Hi

 

I'll be brief. I'm new, I grew up with an almost candy-sugar addiction mentality

in my family of origin.  I've seriously suspected candida several times and have

struggled to control my sugar intake. I developed achlohydria about 1.5 years

ago and now have what appears to be multiple malabsorptions of vitamins and

minerals. I've now seriously started iodine as a suppliment. I'm starting to

read up on how my low somach acid(achlyhydria) could be very tied to damage by

candida. If anyone else has this particular condition, I'd very much

appreciating chatting(on or off list).

Light

It's going to be a great day!

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