Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Martha, If you don't mind me asking what is the name of the compliemtnary doctor you are going to see? I am also going to see one in the next week or so. TH > > Hi, > > I've recently tested positive for Lyme after a diagnosis of MS three > years ago. It could be Lyme instead of MS, or in addition to. > > For starters, I've opted to see a local complementary doctor with some > Lyme experience, in the absence of a local LLMD. I'm going in armed with > info. > > News at 11, as they say. > > If any of you also had MS/Lyme diagnoses, please write to me off-forum. > > Regards, > Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? Does anyone know???? Just curious!!!!! starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote: Hi All, I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more blood tests. I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants. It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one. From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Hi, I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical advice - I'm curious of your quiery? TTFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 , You wrote: > > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? Sure, but what condition would make that desirable? Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people are taking both.... Just wondered.... starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote: Hi, I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical advice - I'm curious of your quiery? TTFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 , You wrote: > > It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people are > taking both.... I don't think that was ever at the same time. We have lots who have switched from one to the other at some point, so they can talk about experience with both. This results in the endless argument over which med is better. The more common way to play with the T4/T3 ratio is to mix Cytomel with the T4. Armour gives you a single ratio, fixed by the manufacturer, which is neither what the pig produced nor what your own thyroid would produce. When you take it orally, you don't absorb the T4 and T3 exactly the same anyway, so the ratio that reaches the blood is a somewhat individual outcome. For many people, though, whatever ratio Armour delivers, it is " close enough " to work well. Of course, for the vast majority with hypoT, T4 by itself, is " close enough. " For people that convert too much of their T4 into RT3 instead of T3, it can be helpful to increase the T3 fraction, even beyond what Armour delivers. Some even prefer 100% T3, at least for a short time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Hi, like I said, Armour isn't a choice with me, so I'm grateful there is the option of the synthetic meds - I've friends who's lives have been transformed by Armour - but it's my personal choice on this. So my personal quest is how to manage my synthetic meds with suppliments/diet/etc., to maintain optimum health. TTFN, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 , There are people in the natural thryoid group that take both meds. Venizia -- In hypothyroidism , B <babycakes442006@...> wrote: > > It seems like from what I have read on these posts that some people are taking both.... > > Just wondered.... > > > starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote: > Hi, > I wouldn't have thought so! I wouldn't take Armour myself for personal > reasons, but mixing meds isn't a good idea unless on sound medical > advice - I'm curious of your quiery? > TTFN > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 it is not advisable, unless the T4 dose is low, because armour has T4 in it and you don't want too much T4 to out weight the T3- especially if you are a non-converter of T4 to T3. From: B Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Newbie introduction Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? Does anyone know???? Just curious!!!!! starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote: Hi All, I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more blood tests. I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants. It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one. From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Ok thank you Nancie.....I trust your advice! Have a nice day! nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: it is not advisable, unless the T4 dose is low, because armour has T4 in it and you don't want too much T4 to out weight the T3- especially if you are a non-converter of T4 to T3. From: B Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Newbie introduction Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? Does anyone know???? Just curious!!!!! starcatmagic <starcatmagic@...> wrote: Hi All, I've recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I've been prescribed 50 micrograms of levothyroxine by my doctor, which I've been taking for 3 weeks now and have to go back in 3 weeks for more blood tests. I'm feeling miles better than I had done. I'd been going back and forth to the doctor for years with different symptoms, it wasn't until I talked to a practice nurse of all the symptoms I had that they run the thyroid test, which I was told was really low. I'd been tested about 15 years ago by a different doctor which had come back 'normal' and been prescribed anti-depressants. It's only since my diagnosis and subsequent research that I've done I've realised how ill I've been, and in the past the usual reaction from those around me has been that I'm mad, fat and lazy, and always moaning about aching joints! And I'm sure I'm not the only one. From what I've read on the NHS website, about 1 in 50 women have this condition also, but I have quite a few friends that have also been diagnosed with this in the past couple of years- is it becoming a modern epidemic or is there another reason for the rise, does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 > > > > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? > > Sure, but what condition would make that desirable? > > Chuck The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3. It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs T4. I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again, and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4. Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 you have been most helpful!!! I am experimenting also until i get it right! campaigner77 <sheilaturner@...> wrote: > > > > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? > > Sure, but what condition would make that desirable? > > Chuck The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3. It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs T4. I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again, and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4. Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Sheila, You wrote: > > The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of > hormones doesn't suit everybody.... I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the need for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone. One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in fairly large increments of dose. Many end up alternating doses, which does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half life. In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3 gave you too much. Is that a possibility? Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4 and T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with T3. Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as it can. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 HI Chuck > > Sheila, > > You wrote: > > > > The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of > > hormones doesn't suit everybody.... > > I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the need > for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone. *** I am doubtful too, because the thyroid naturally puts out different amounts of T4 and t3 throughout the day. However, as there has been much misleading speculation on behalf of the British Thyroid Association (who appear to run the diagnostic and treatment protocol here in the UK, sadly) they have tried to rubbish Armour because they stated that the T4 and T3 was not standardised in every batch, and therefore, it was dangerous. In the monograph on Armour, it was tested by four USA laboratories and it was found that these WERE standardised to the USP requirements. We need to get this over to everybody as far as we can to quell this misinformation that has spread far and wide throughout the world. The majority of sufferers do well on T4 only, but we are trying to look after the large minority who do not do well on it. I doubt if they were doing well on synthetic thyroxine, the membership of hypothyroid forums would not be so huge. > > One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in > fairly large increments of dose. Not sure what you mean here Chuck. Armour comes in 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 grain tablets (when we can get them). Many end up alternating doses, which > does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half life. > In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your > problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total > right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3 gave > you too much. Is that a possibility? If you need additional T3, either synthetic or natural, you need to take this on a regular basis, split throughout the day because it cannot be stored like synthetic thyroxine. I have found we are all different, and you have often to experiment if you are not getting quite 'there' on Armour. I experimented adding both (at different times) and the combination I am taking now suits me completely. I have no idea why this is, even Dr Peatfield tells me he doesn't understand, but there are several people who have found a combination that works for them. > > Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are > metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4 and > T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with T3. > Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination > pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a > way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as it can. T2 and T1 do have metabolic activity and more and more research is coming to light to show this, mainly in rats, but there have been human studies done. I personally believe it is the T2 that is the 'magic' ingredient in Armour and the reason why people do better taking Armour than combination synthetic T4/T3. I think there will be more coming to light about T2 and its benefits in the near future. Sheila > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 you should tell them to contact Forest pharmeutical who produce armour, because I don't think forest would put out a product that did not have standardized doses in each pill. it would be interesting to see what Forest's response would be. LOL nancie From: campaigner77 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:02 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Newbie introduction HI Chuck > > Sheila, > > You wrote: > > > > The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of > > hormones doesn't suit everybody.... > > I believe I said that in another post, but I am doubtful about the need > for a precise T4/T3 balance, since so many do well on T4 alone. *** I am doubtful too, because the thyroid naturally puts out different amounts of T4 and t3 throughout the day. However, as there has been much misleading speculation on behalf of the British Thyroid Association (who appear to run the diagnostic and treatment protocol here in the UK, sadly) they have tried to rubbish Armour because they stated that the T4 and T3 was not standardised in every batch, and therefore, it was dangerous. In the monograph on Armour, it was tested by four USA laboratories and it was found that these WERE standardised to the USP requirements. We need to get this over to everybody as far as we can to quell this misinformation that has spread far and wide throughout the world. The majority of sufferers do well on T4 only, but we are trying to look after the large minority who do not do well on it. I doubt if they were doing well on synthetic thyroxine, the membership of hypothyroid forums would not be so huge. > > One of the problems with titrating Armour is that it only comes in > fairly large increments of dose. Not sure what you mean here Chuck. Armour comes in 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 grain tablets (when we can get them). Many end up alternating doses, which > does not sound appropriate for T3, with its relatively short half life. > In contrast, T4 is available in 12.5 mcg increments. Perhaps your > problem is not so much a T4/T3 balance issue as just getting the total > right. When you cut the T4, you were not getting enough. Adding T3 gave > you too much. Is that a possibility? If you need additional T3, either synthetic or natural, you need to take this on a regular basis, split throughout the day because it cannot be stored like synthetic thyroxine. I have found we are all different, and you have often to experiment if you are not getting quite 'there' on Armour. I experimented adding both (at different times) and the combination I am taking now suits me completely. I have no idea why this is, even Dr Peatfield tells me he doesn't understand, but there are several people who have found a combination that works for them. > > Again, T2 and T1 have little or no thyroxin activity, and they are > metabolic by-products from T3. They are how the body gets rid of T4 and > T3. You have plenty of both, whether you take T4 only or a mix with T3. > Armour contributes only a tiny increment beyond the normal elimination > pathway. If these forms did anything important, your body would have a > way to store or keep them, instead of getting rid of them as fast as it can. T2 and T1 do have metabolic activity and more and more research is coming to light to show this, mainly in rats, but there have been human studies done. I personally believe it is the T2 that is the 'magic' ingredient in Armour and the reason why people do better taking Armour than combination synthetic T4/T3. I think there will be more coming to light about T2 and its benefits in the near future. Sheila > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Hi Nancie BTA have already been given the information in spades, but the trouble is, they seem to be having difficulty in accepting it. Because the monograph for Armour was over 20 years old, they said they wanted more up to date evidence. They have written that each time they contacted Forest Pharmaceuticals for such information, they never received a response LOL! The FDA would never have approved Armour for prescription had the T4 and T3 not been standardised. Sheila > > you should tell them to contact Forest pharmeutical who produce armour, because I don't think forest would put out a product that did not have standardized doses in each pill. it would be interesting to see what Forest's response would be. LOL > nancie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 that is interesting but why not try 4 grains of Armour? that's what I take, plus cortef, sex hormones etc. Gracia > > > > Can you take levothyroxine and armour at the same time??? > > Sure, but what condition would make that desirable? > > Chuck The T4 and T3 are standardised in Armour and this particular balance of hormones doesn't suit everybody. Some do fine on Armour alone, some need the addition of a little T4 and some need the addition of a little t3. It doesn't help these patients to raise their Armour to get more T4 or T3, because they are also getting the other hormones, such as T2, T1 and they may not need it. I have tried the experiment. I took 2 grains of Armour but didn't get wuite 'there'. I added a little T3 - horrendous reaction. I got that out of my system and added 25 mcgs T4. I have been taking this for 4 years, though I now take 3 grains Armour and 25 mcgs T4. I decided about 6 months ago to see if I could stop the T4. It worked wonderfully, I didn't miss it one bit and started to wonder why I had started taking it in the first place. However, after a few weeks, I noticed my speech was become hesitant and slurry, I had difficulty in remembering things again and I was also getting some pain back. I was talking to a friend on the phone about this, and it was she who reminded me that I had stopped the T4 6 weeks earlier. I started taking it again, and slowly, my speech became normal, my brain came back and my pains went. I definitely need the addition of a bit extra T4. Sheila ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1484 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 4:40 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 > > Hi Bee and everyone! > > This is just a quick introduction for this board. I am truely grateful > for being led to this website and am trying to absorb all of the wisdom > and guidelines. It's fabulous, and I can't thank Bee enough for helping > me start the process of wellness. +++Hello Carolyn! It's wonderful you found me and my group! Welcome my dear. Thank you for sharing your story, which many of us have also experienced. I was sick for 25 years before curing my candida 20 years ago. <snip> > Then I found Bee's website (though and on-line board). I'm have been reading and reading all the wonderful articles and about diet and supplements and am confident I have NOW found the right healing path for my body. I have been easing into Bee's curing candida plan and am hopeful that I will start to feel better soon. +++It's good you understand how important it is to ease into my program. You have certainly found the " right healing path " - for encouragement see these wonderful Success Stories: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php >I am crying as I write this with tears of joy. For the first time in so many years, I can see light at the end of a very dark tunnel. Thank you, thank you Bee! +++You're making me cry too Carolyn! I call them " cheerful tearful " tears. I'm so very honored and humbled to be able to help you. What better fulfillment can life give to any one person? We're all here to help you on your journey towards total health. Onward & upward Carolyn! Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Thanks for the welcome Bee! Just for the sake of any readers who are interested, I actually missed mentioning a few difficult symptoms I have. They are brain fog, Interstitial Cystitis and mirgraines. I must have forgotten them due to the " brain fog " this morning! Carolyn > > > > Hi Bee and everyone! > > > > This is just a quick introduction for this board. I am truely > grateful > > for being led to this website and am trying to absorb all of the > wisdom > > and guidelines. It's fabulous, and I can't thank Bee enough for > helping > > me start the process of wellness. > > +++Hello Carolyn! It's wonderful you found me and my group! Welcome > my dear. > > Thank you for sharing your story, which many of us have also > experienced. I was sick for 25 years before curing my candida 20 > years ago. > > <snip> > > > Then I found Bee's website (though and on-line board). I'm have > been reading and reading all the wonderful articles and about diet > and supplements and am confident I have NOW found the right healing > path for my body. I have been easing into Bee's curing candida plan > and am hopeful that I will start to feel better soon. > > +++It's good you understand how important it is to ease into my > program. You have certainly found the " right healing path " - for > encouragement see these wonderful Success Stories: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php > > >I am crying as I write this with tears of joy. For the first time in > so many years, I can see light at the end of a very dark tunnel. > Thank you, thank you Bee! > > +++You're making me cry too Carolyn! I call them " cheerful tearful " > tears. I'm so very honored and humbled to be able to help you. What > better fulfillment can life give to any one person? > > We're all here to help you on your journey towards total health. > Onward & upward Carolyn! > > Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 > > Thanks for the welcome Bee! > > Just for the sake of any readers who are interested, I actually > missed mentioning a few difficult symptoms I have. They are brain > fog, Interstitial Cystitis and mirgraines. > > I must have forgotten them due to the " brain fog " this morning! > +++Hi Carolyn. We all understand how " brain fog " can hamper thinking and memory. Interstitial cystitis and migraine headaches are candida related too. This program helps your whole body heal naturally no matter the symptoms or malfunctions, so your body is treated as a whole, rather than treating this and that symptom like doctors do. Bee P.S. Carolyn, would you please trim your messages? The instructions were emailed to you when you joined, and they are posted on the Group every 2 weeks too. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Hi  I'll be brief. I'm new, I grew up with an almost candy-sugar addiction mentality in my family of origin. I've seriously suspected candida several times and have struggled to control my sugar intake. I developed achlohydria about 1.5 years ago and now have what appears to be multiple malabsorptions of vitamins and minerals. I've now seriously started iodine as a suppliment. I'm starting to read up on how my low somach acid(achlyhydria) could be very tied to damage by candida. If anyone else has this particular condition, I'd very much appreciating chatting(on or off list). Light It's going to be a great day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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