Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 You can also go to Neways, inc. and get info on Noni Juice. There seems to be a controversy going on about whether the Tahitian is being grown on toxic soil. Re: noni juice >Hi, >concerning noni juice, there is a vast difference in brands as far as the >potency, purity, etc. go to http://www.tahitiannoni.com/sherivance >and click on the " footprint " in the upper right hand corner. it gives a >comparison of the nutrients, enzymes, etc contained in a lot of the major >brands. > >sheri > > > > > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Hi, concerning noni juice, there is a vast difference in brands as far as the potency, purity, etc. go to http://www.tahitiannoni.com/sherivance and click on the " footprint " in the upper right hand corner. it gives a comparison of the nutrients, enzymes, etc contained in a lot of the major brands. sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Yes I have been taking Tahitian Noni Juice for one year now and I believe it helps a great deal. Peripheral T cell non hodgkins lymphoma, stage 4,including bone marrow. Remission 2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 It's not the strongest alternative available. Some have seen some improvement but need to take very large amounts, which results in high dollar expense. The dollars may be more effectively spent in other alternatives. Kay Heizer Noni Juice Has anyone taken noni juice? I have lung cancer and noni juice has been suggested to me. Thanks.Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 How much do you take? What other traditional or alternative treatments have you had? Kay Heizer Re: Noni Juice > Yes I have been taking Tahitian Noni Juice for one year now and I believe it > helps a great deal. > > > > Peripheral T cell non hodgkins lymphoma, stage 4,including bone marrow. > Remission 2001 > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 <cures for cancer > From: " Mildred " <mrobi85011@...> Date sent: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:08:01 -0500 Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Noni Juice > Has anyone taken noni juice? I have lung cancer and noni juice has been > suggested to me. Thanks. Hi, Noni Juice is great, it is an immune system booster, If it were me, I would take a 750ml bottle per day as part of a protocol. I think each 750ml bottle costs about $50.00. That will cost about $350 per week for the Noni Juice. If you can not afford that, perhaps you could try Beta Glucan which is a superior and cheaper immune system booster. 1 to 2gms a day with 7 to 10gms Vitamin C. is what I would take. Mannin is also an immune system booster, but also much more expensive than beta glucan. Mushroom extracts are good sources of beta glucan, but much more expensive than yeast derived beta glucan. My neighbour, who has stage 4 lung cancer, has recently decided to add the peroxide bath to her therapy. Someone donated to her a second hand bath (value 50$), a gallon of 35% food grade peroxide and a bottle of DMSO. She just has the bath sitting on the back verandah, with a hose coming out of a window to bring the hot water and the bath waste just flows onto the garden. Here is a summary of the Protocol my neighbour is taking for Lung Cancer............. moonbeam Any alternative therapy should always be discussed with a qualified medical practitioner before any treatment is begun. 1. No meat or dairy products of any kind. Meat and dairy products contain xeno- estrogens and Arachdonic Acid, both of which are growth accelerants for all types of cancer cells. 2. The basic diet use a raw vegetable juice diet, with less then 30 percent of food cooked. The recommended juicer is a slow speed macerating juicer, high-speed juices destroy he enzymes and Vitamin's G. to the short-term high temperature spike created by the friction of a high-speed juicer. Gerson therapy recommends 8 to12 glasses of homemade raw vegetable juice per day. 3. Diet to include at least two punnets of sprouts ( mung, alfalfa or salad sprouts) per day. Sprouts can also be placed in a slow speed juicer. Carrots and green leafy vegetable's lycopene also ideal for the juicer. The carotenes and enzymes have an anti-cancer effect. 4. Diet to include one 500 to 750 ml can of cooked tomato juice or canned tomato juice per day. The lycopene (delta carrotene) in cooked tomato juice is several times more potent an anti-cancer compound then Beta carotene from carrots. It is only orally active when cooked. 5. Diet to include 500 to 1,000 micrograms of L-Selenomethionine, any other form of selenium is not so bio available. Selenium is synergistic with Vitamin E, so Vitamin E supplementation of 600 to 1,200 international units per day is suggested. Thirty fold increase in anybody cells has been reported following selenium Vitamin E combination. 6. Diet to include to 1 gram of beta-glucan, twice per day, at least 40 minutes before food. Diet to include three grams of Vitamin C. complex, three times per day or or slow release vitamin C. Three times a day is suggested as the kidneys remove the Vitamin C. from the body after a short time, Vitamin C. will be synergistic with the beta-glucan and the selenium. 7. Diet to include one tablespoon of cold pressed Flax Seed Oil (cold pressed linseed oil). Mixed with 3/4 of a cup of cottage cheese. To be taken two times per day. Research shows this increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Cancer is an anaerobic disease. This treatment will be synergistic with increased oxygen. 8. Diet to include three heaped teaspoons of Spirulina electrically mixed in juice, two or three times per day. The phycocyanin in Spirulina dramatically increases production of red and white blood cells from the bone marrow progenitor stems cells. Also contains 30 fold greater carrotene content then carrots. Will help reduce nausea and immune cell depletion during or following chemotherapy. 9. Diet could include 20 drops of stabilized oxygen. (Ozonised olive oil could be used as a substitute for stabilised oxygen drops). Starting at two drops on the the first day, and adding one drop more each day till 22 drops on the day 20. Always begin with 2 drops. This is best taken in juice to cover the flavour. Excess intake produces loose stools. Cancer cells have no coenzyme Q10 antioxidant coating so are easily damaged by oxygen. 11. Additional beta-glucan supplementation can be obtained from Agicarus Blazei mushroom extract, available via internet. 12. Spirulina, beta-glucan, Vitamin C. and selenium should begin prior to chemo therapy. 13. A beta-glucan cream can be used to prevent or reduce ulcer formation at areas where radiotherapy is used. 14. Broccoli sprouts, one punnets of broccoli sprouts per day. Contains glucoraphanin the precursor to anti cancer sulforaphane. 15. Laetrile, vitamin B17, or amygdelin therapy. Taking at least two punnets of mung been or Salad sprouts per day will supply B17. Raw Macadamia nuts, the kernels from inside nectarines and fresh apricot kernels are good sources of B17. They must taste bitter. (Purchased apricot kernels contain no B17) The form of cyanide in B17 acts against the cancer, whereas it does not act against good cells. Broccoli sprouts also contain B17. 16. manganese, and zinc 17. No cooked food if possible, thats why the slow speed juicer is so important. 18. No processed food, no tap water, only filtered water, no artificial flavorings or colourings. 19. No sugar. 20.Hypericum to keep your spirits up. Cats Claw herb daily, Astragalus herb, make into a tea. Ellagic acid, prevents mitosis of cancer cells, (ie stops cell replication in cancer cells) available via internet. (DMSO also prevents mitosis). In a trial, DMSO combined with normal chemotherapy in NHL patients produced a 25% imporovement, compared to patients receiving cheotherapy alone. Shark liver Oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 (Purchased apricot kernels contain no B17) I HAVE PURCHASED APRICOT KERNELS, AND THEY ARE BITTTTER! I ASSUME YOU ARE REFERRING TO EXCESSIVELY DRIED KERNELS WHICH COULD INACTIVATE BETA-GLUCOSIDASE ( SPLITTING ENZYME). HEAT DOES NOT DESTROY THE B17 OR NITRILOSIDES. LIZ > > <cures for cancer@y...> > From: " Mildred " <mrobi85011@m...> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:08:01 -0500 > Send reply to: cures for cancer@y... > Subject: Noni Juice > > Has anyone taken noni juice? I have lung cancer and noni juice has been > > suggested to me. Thanks. > > Hi, > Noni Juice is great, it is an immune system booster, If it were me, I > would take a 750ml bottle per day as part of a protocol. I think each 750ml bottle > costs about $50.00. That will cost about $350 per week for the Noni Juice. > If you can not afford that, perhaps you could try Beta Glucan which is a > superior and cheaper immune system booster. 1 to 2gms a day with 7 to 10gms Vitamin > C. is what I would take. > Mannin is also an immune system booster, but also much more expensive than beta > glucan. > Mushroom extracts are good sources of beta glucan, but much more expensive > than yeast derived beta glucan. > My neighbour, who has stage 4 lung cancer, has recently decided to add the > peroxide bath to her therapy. Someone donated to her a second hand bath (value 50$), > a gallon of 35% food grade peroxide and a bottle of DMSO. She just has the bath > sitting on the back verandah, with a hose coming out of a window to bring the hot > water and the bath waste just flows onto the garden. > > > Here is a summary of the Protocol my neighbour is taking for Lung > Cancer............. > > moonbeam > > Any alternative therapy should always be discussed with a qualified > medical practitioner before any treatment is begun. > > 1. No meat or dairy products of any kind. Meat and dairy products contain > xeno- estrogens and Arachdonic Acid, both of which are growth accelerants > for all types of cancer cells. > > 2. The basic diet use a raw vegetable juice diet, with less then 30 > percent of food cooked. The recommended juicer is a slow speed macerating > juicer, high-speed juices destroy he enzymes and Vitamin's G. to the > short-term high temperature spike created by the friction of a high- speed > juicer. Gerson therapy recommends 8 to12 glasses of homemade raw vegetable > juice per day. > > 3. Diet to include at least two punnets of sprouts ( mung, alfalfa or > salad sprouts) per day. Sprouts can also be placed in a slow speed > juicer. Carrots and green leafy vegetable's lycopene also ideal for the > juicer. The carotenes and enzymes have an anti-cancer effect. > > 4. Diet to include one 500 to 750 ml can of cooked tomato juice or canned > tomato juice per day. The lycopene (delta carrotene) in cooked tomato > juice is several times more potent an anti-cancer compound then Beta > carotene from carrots. It is only orally active when cooked. > > 5. Diet to include 500 to 1,000 micrograms of L-Selenomethionine, any > other form of selenium is not so bio available. Selenium is synergistic > with Vitamin E, so Vitamin E supplementation of 600 to 1,200 international > units per day is suggested. Thirty fold increase in anybody cells has > been reported following selenium Vitamin E combination. > > 6. Diet to include to 1 gram of beta-glucan, twice per day, at least 40 > minutes before food. Diet to include three grams of Vitamin C. complex, > three times per day or or slow release vitamin C. Three times a day is > suggested as the kidneys remove the Vitamin C. from the body after a short > time, Vitamin C. will be synergistic with the beta-glucan and the > selenium. > > 7. Diet to include one tablespoon of cold pressed Flax Seed Oil (cold > pressed linseed oil). Mixed with 3/4 of a cup of cottage cheese. To be > taken two times per day. Research shows this increases the oxygen > carrying capacity of the blood. Cancer is an anaerobic disease. This > treatment will be synergistic with increased oxygen. > > 8. Diet to include three heaped teaspoons of Spirulina electrically mixed > in juice, two or three times per day. The phycocyanin in Spirulina > dramatically increases production of red and white blood cells from the > bone marrow progenitor stems cells. Also contains 30 fold greater > carrotene content then carrots. Will help reduce nausea and immune cell > depletion during or following chemotherapy. > > 9. Diet could include 20 drops of stabilized oxygen. (Ozonised olive oil could be > used as a substitute for stabilised oxygen drops). Starting at two > drops on the the first day, and adding one drop more each day till 22 > drops on the day 20. Always begin with 2 drops. This is best taken in > juice to cover the flavour. Excess intake produces loose stools. Cancer > cells have no coenzyme Q10 antioxidant coating so are easily damaged by > oxygen. > > 11. Additional beta-glucan supplementation can be obtained from Agicarus > Blazei mushroom extract, available via internet. > > 12. Spirulina, beta-glucan, Vitamin C. and selenium should begin prior to > chemo therapy. > > 13. A beta-glucan cream can be used to prevent or reduce ulcer formation > at areas where radiotherapy is used. > > 14. Broccoli sprouts, one punnets of broccoli sprouts per day. Contains > glucoraphanin the precursor to anti cancer sulforaphane. > > 15. Laetrile, vitamin B17, or amygdelin therapy. Taking at least two > punnets of mung been or Salad sprouts per day will supply B17. Raw > Macadamia nuts, the kernels from inside nectarines and fresh apricot > kernels are good sources of B17. They must taste bitter. (Purchased > apricot kernels contain no B17) The form of cyanide in B17 acts against > the cancer, whereas it does not act against good cells. Broccoli sprouts > also contain B17. > > 16. manganese, and zinc > 17. No cooked food if possible, thats why the slow speed juicer is so > important. > > 18. No processed food, no tap water, only > filtered water, no artificial flavorings or colourings. > 19. No sugar. > 20.Hypericum to keep your spirits up. Cats Claw herb daily, Astragalus herb, make > into a tea. Ellagic acid, prevents mitosis of cancer cells, (ie stops cell > replication in cancer cells) available via internet. (DMSO also prevents > mitosis). In a trial, DMSO combined with normal chemotherapy in NHL > patients produced a 25% imporovement, compared to patients receiving > cheotherapy alone. Shark liver Oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 > > <cures for cancer@y...> > From: " Mildred " <mrobi85011@m...> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:08:01 -0500 > Send reply to: cures for cancer@y... > Subject: Noni Juice > > Has anyone taken noni juice? I have lung cancer and noni juice has been > > suggested to me. Thanks. > > Hi, > Noni Juice is great, it is an immune system booster, If it were me, I > would take a 750ml bottle per day as part of a protocol. I think each 750ml bottle > costs about $50.00. That will cost about $350 per week for the Noni Juice. > If you can not afford that, perhaps you could try Beta Glucan which is a > superior and cheaper immune system booster. 1 to 2gms a day with 7 to 10gms Vitamin > C. is what I would take. > Mannin is also an immune system booster, but also much more expensive than beta > glucan. > Mushroom extracts are good sources of beta glucan, but much more expensive > than yeast derived beta glucan. > My neighbour, who has stage 4 lung cancer, has recently decided to add the > peroxide bath to her therapy. Someone donated to her a second hand bath (value 50$), > a gallon of 35% food grade peroxide and a bottle of DMSO. She just has the bath > sitting on the back verandah, with a hose coming out of a window to bring the hot > water and the bath waste just flows onto the garden. > > > Here is a summary of the Protocol my neighbour is taking for Lung > Cancer............. > > moonbeam > > Any alternative therapy should always be discussed with a qualified > medical practitioner before any treatment is begun. > > 1. No meat or dairy products of any kind. Meat and dairy products contain > xeno- estrogens and Arachdonic Acid, both of which are growth accelerants > for all types of cancer cells. > > 2. The basic diet use a raw vegetable juice diet, with less then 30 > percent of food cooked. The recommended juicer is a slow speed macerating > juicer, high-speed juices destroy he enzymes and Vitamin's G. to the > short-term high temperature spike created by the friction of a high- speed > juicer. Gerson therapy recommends 8 to12 glasses of homemade raw vegetable > juice per day. > > 3. Diet to include at least two punnets of sprouts ( mung, alfalfa or > salad sprouts) per day. Sprouts can also be placed in a slow speed > juicer. Carrots and green leafy vegetable's lycopene also ideal for the > juicer. The carotenes and enzymes have an anti-cancer effect. > > 4. Diet to include one 500 to 750 ml can of cooked tomato juice or canned > tomato juice per day. The lycopene (delta carrotene) in cooked tomato > juice is several times more potent an anti-cancer compound then Beta > carotene from carrots. It is only orally active when cooked. > > 5. Diet to include 500 to 1,000 micrograms of L-Selenomethionine, any > other form of selenium is not so bio available. Selenium is synergistic > with Vitamin E, so Vitamin E supplementation of 600 to 1,200 international > units per day is suggested. Thirty fold increase in anybody cells has > been reported following selenium Vitamin E combination. > > 6. Diet to include to 1 gram of beta-glucan, twice per day, at least 40 > minutes before food. Diet to include three grams of Vitamin C. complex, > three times per day or or slow release vitamin C. Three times a day is > suggested as the kidneys remove the Vitamin C. from the body after a short > time, Vitamin C. will be synergistic with the beta-glucan and the > selenium. > > 7. Diet to include one tablespoon of cold pressed Flax Seed Oil (cold > pressed linseed oil). Mixed with 3/4 of a cup of cottage cheese. To be > taken two times per day. Research shows this increases the oxygen > carrying capacity of the blood. Cancer is an anaerobic disease. This > treatment will be synergistic with increased oxygen. > > 8. Diet to include three heaped teaspoons of Spirulina electrically mixed > in juice, two or three times per day. The phycocyanin in Spirulina > dramatically increases production of red and white blood cells from the > bone marrow progenitor stems cells. Also contains 30 fold greater > carrotene content then carrots. Will help reduce nausea and immune cell > depletion during or following chemotherapy. > > 9. Diet could include 20 drops of stabilized oxygen. (Ozonised olive oil could be > used as a substitute for stabilised oxygen drops). Starting at two > drops on the the first day, and adding one drop more each day till 22 > drops on the day 20. Always begin with 2 drops. This is best taken in > juice to cover the flavour. Excess intake produces loose stools. Cancer > cells have no coenzyme Q10 antioxidant coating so are easily damaged by > oxygen. > > 11. Additional beta-glucan supplementation can be obtained from Agicarus > Blazei mushroom extract, available via internet. > > 12. Spirulina, beta-glucan, Vitamin C. and selenium should begin prior to > chemo therapy. > > 13. A beta-glucan cream can be used to prevent or reduce ulcer formation > at areas where radiotherapy is used. > > 14. Broccoli sprouts, one punnets of broccoli sprouts per day. Contains > glucoraphanin the precursor to anti cancer sulforaphane. > > 15. Laetrile, vitamin B17, or amygdelin therapy. Taking at least two > punnets of mung been or Salad sprouts per day will supply B17. Raw > Macadamia nuts, the kernels from inside nectarines and fresh apricot > kernels are good sources of B17. They must taste bitter. (Purchased > apricot kernels contain no B17) The form of cyanide in B17 acts against > the cancer, whereas it does not act against good cells. Broccoli sprouts > also contain B17. > > 16. manganese, and zinc > 17. No cooked food if possible, thats why the slow speed juicer is so > important. > > 18. No processed food, no tap water, only > filtered water, no artificial flavorings or colourings. > 19. No sugar. > 20.Hypericum to keep your spirits up. Cats Claw herb daily, Astragalus herb, make > into a tea. Ellagic acid, prevents mitosis of cancer cells, (ie stops cell > replication in cancer cells) available via internet. (DMSO also prevents > mitosis). In a trial, DMSO combined with normal chemotherapy in NHL > patients produced a 25% imporovement, compared to patients receiving > cheotherapy alone. Shark liver Oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Mildred: I sent you some information the other day about Transfer Factor Plus. Go to http://www.healthy.com ; find Medline in the left column, then type in Transfer Factor in the first two boxes and hit search. There are several scientific research papers there written on Transfer Factor and Lung cancer. Check it out for your own information. Noni Juice Has anyone taken noni juice? I have lung cancer and noni juice has been suggested to me. Thanks.Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 In a message dated 11/2/01 11:44:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, vache920@... writes: > I hope asking about Noni Juice is not too off topic for this List. I > just purchased some yesterday out of curiousity. Does anyone know > what it is actually supposed to do for you? > > We do not consider any health-related question to be off-topic on this list (within reason of course), since colon health is related to general health of the body. Regarding noni juice, since no one has replied to you on the list yet, I'll just throw in that as I recall, noni juice is supposed to be an outstanding general tonic, alkalizer and immune builder. I would have to check on it, though, and the way to check would be to do a general web search. You will come up with tons of information. In general I encourage all members to do a general web search before inquiring to the list on what a particular product, herb, condition, etc. is. You won't have to wait, you'll get more information, have more control over that information, save other members time, etc. Then once you know a bit about the item you're interested in, you can come to the list with more specific queries on it, regarding personal experiences, preference, and so on, and have a more in-depth discussion. Robin G. One of the moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Would like to know more about the Noni Juice you advertise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Hi , I have been taking Noni juice for about 6 months. I took it for about 4 months before I started on vitamins and herbs. I don't think that the Noni juice by itself made a noticeable difference in my condition. On August 21, 2002, I started taking about 30 different vitamins, herbs and minerals and continued the Noni juice. Since August, I have noticed a gradual but slow increase in my condition. I hope this helps. Heli ----------------------------------------------- > I have been reading a lot about Noni juice lately. Has anyone tried it? > > Thanks, > H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Mason, a nutritional researcher and commentator, associated with Young Again Nutrients (an online supplements supplier), says that Noni Juice is completely without merit, and a waste of time and money. Re: Noni juice > Hi , > I have been taking Noni juice for about 6 months. I took it for > about 4 months before I started on vitamins and herbs. I don't > think that the Noni juice by itself made a noticeable difference in > my condition. On August 21, 2002, I started taking about 30 > different vitamins, herbs and minerals and continued the Noni > juice. Since August, I have noticed a gradual but slow increase in > my condition. > I hope this helps. > Heli > ----------------------------------------------- > > > I have been reading a lot about Noni juice lately. Has anyone > tried it? > > > > Thanks, > > H. > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 hi noni juice, capsules very popular years ago and very expenisve. all i know is that it was suppose to improve celluar communiction agmong othter things but i really couldnt tell it made any major changes and tried the juice for a few months and then capusles as they were cheaper .Not sure if it worked . but with this illness, who knows what works for u . good luck somsih. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 I agree. It is not worth the money (it is very expensive), and like I said, I noticed no improvement from it. Heli > Mason, a nutritional researcher and commentator, associated with Young Again Nutrients (an online supplements supplier), says that Noni Juice is completely without merit, and a waste of time and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Thanks for the answers re Noni juice. I knew someone here would have heard of it. As I suspected, there are nay-sayers and people who swear it works. Isn't it always that way? The secretary who told me about this did say it doesn't taste great, but she only uses a tablespoon or two at a time and sometimes mixes it with other stuff. I'll look into it a little more. I'm always a little skeptical about supposed miracle cures, but open to trying healthy supplements that might have some positive benefits. Diane (, 3, pauci) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hi Dianne, A co-worker of mine sells Noni juice, and I know people who use it for other reasons (can't remember the specific benefits right now) - and they all feel that it does what it claims to do. I have always been a little leary of items like this - but he gave me some literature to read on the plane (when we were going to Minneapolis, actually) - and I have to admit I didn't read it - I can keep an eye open for the material while unpacking at our new house. I know he specifically brought the information to me regarding it's claims to help RA, and I think JRA. Val Rob's Mom (5,systemic) In a message dated 2/4/2003 11:21:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbornscheu writes: > A new secretary in our office has RA. She claims Noni juice, available in health food stores, is a " miracle juice " that has really helped her. Have any of you heard of this or tried it? > > Diane (, 3, pauci) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 My name is and I am Jackies (6 poly) mum. We have tried noni juice. The Tahitian Noni juice. It's a good supplement and provides the body with over 300 minerals and vitamins and antioxidants. The antioxidants are very important to get a lot of if you have Jra or cancer. It takes care of the free redicals in the body. the free redicals you get especially from eating sugar. They do damage to the body. The antioxidant takes oyt a lot of the free radicals. Our bodys today are usually very acid from our diets and helping to neutralize the Ph balance with giving alkaline food is a very good thing. Noni juice does this too, but most important with it is that it gives us all the minerals that are important to keep the body working better and helps it give the ability to heal it self. Food today is made with chemical fertelizers and the soil doesn't contain the minerals it used to. In a reasurchproject in Hoööand they had to dig 120 feet down in to the soil brfore they could find a natural soil with the minerals and life that should be in the soil. On the earths surface the soil is damaged by the acid rains and polution. I gave Jackie 3 tabelspoons of Noni juice 2 times a day for three months. I can't pinpoint exactly what it did to her but what I'm doing is making her being able to get better. She has not flared in almost 2 years (she has been sick for 3 years) and she was one of the worst caeses they had seen in this state and in Norway. Especially if you have someone on medecines (that the body has to work on getteing rid of all the toxic waistproducts) it might be a good thing to support the body with this natural source of minerals and vitamins. It's pretty expensive but I want to start giving it again. Mix it with some water and it tastes much like grapejuice. try it youself too it's a good supplement for anyone. Have a nice day and I hope all the kids with flares have someone around to help find what makes the flare come. I am soo happy after I found out that the sugar was the enemy for jackie and that her body was soo acid. Test your kids urin with a Ph-stick a couple of times during the day and you will see how the Ph is doing. It should be around 7. Best wishes , Jackies mum (poly 6 1/2 years) >From: dbornscheu@... >Reply- > >Subject: Noni juice >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:21:25 EST > >A new secretary in our office has RA. She claims Noni juice, available in >health food stores, is a "miracle juice" that has really helped her. Have >any of you heard of this or tried it? > >Diane (, 3, pauci) STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hi Diane, You can learn quite a lot about Noni Juice by doing a google groups search, looking at postings that have been made to, for instance, the alt.support.arthritis newsgroup. If you right click on the following link, select copy shortcut, and then paste it into your browser, the window that open ups gives you a pretty good selection of reading materials to begin with. Both positive and negative. http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=noni%20juice & safe=images & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & as_ugroup=alt.support.arthritis & as_usubject=noni & lr=lang_en & num=100 & hl=en There's been a raging debate going on for years, one side offering testimonials lauding the benefits ... the other side saying if it's a food item, distributors shouldn't be making extraordinary claims about how it can cure everything from cancer to arthritis to ingrown toenails ... and if it's a medicine, it needs to be properly tested to validate the claims that were being made. Actually, there have been several major lawsuits against Morinda. They had to pay big bucks to the investigating states and can no longer make claims about the health conditions this product supposedly cures. It's got a huge multi-level marketing distributer-ship. It would probably be very hard to convince our children to take it on a regular basis. It, supposedly, tastes really awful. Aloha, Georgina ps ... Here is what Supplement Watch had to say about Noni Juice: http://www.supplementwatch.com/index.asp Description Noni (Morinda citrifolia), is also known as Tahitian Noni and Indian mulberry. The plant is a small tree found in the Pacific islands and Polynesia. The fruit of the Noni tree is foul-smelling and tasting and resembles a cross between a warty avocado and a pitted mango (not a pretty sight). Noni fruit passes thru several stages of ripening, where it turns from green to yellow to white - and is generally regarded as becoming more disgusting with each stage of ripeness. Claims · You name it - they claim it· "Miracle cure" for Arthritis, Infections, Cancer, Chronic Fatigue, Diabetes, Heart Disease, Digestive disturbances, Inflammation, and many others. Theory Only if you were starving to death, would you force yourself to eat noni fruit. Because of its foul odor and bitter taste, nobody except the most desperate Polynesians would force themselves to consume noni (and only during times of famine or widespread sickness). Traditional Polynesian healers ("medicine men") have reportedly used noni fruit for treating everything from constipation to ankle sprains - and there are accounts in traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) of noni roots being effective for "strengthening" the digestive system. Scientific Support Despite the fact that noni has been heavily promoted by multi-level marketing companies for virtually every ailment under the sun, there is no convincing evidence that it is has any beneficial effects for any specific condition. Studies do exist, however, to show that noni juice provides a small measure of antioxidant activity (but so do the juices of almost all fruits) and even a few unique polysaccharide compounds that may help immune system function - so these findings may lend a shred of credence to common claims of anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer effects. Safety Noni is not associated with any adverse side effects. Commercial preparations are extensively processed to remove and/or mask the horrendous taste and smell of the native noni fruit, so there is probably more of a safety concern from the added flavors, colors and sweeteners in these concoctions than from the actual noni fruit. Value Some people will always assign a high mystical value to bad-tasting things from far-off islands - and this is certainly the case with noni juice. Our advice, if you want to drink something that is truly good for you, is to try some orange juice (more antioxidants than noni plus potassium that noni lacks), a V-8 (chock full of carotenoids) or even some apple juice (also packed with antioxidants). Dosage Commercial noni products are available as juice, tablets and capsules - but there are no scientifically accepted dosage levels for these products. The juices tend to be the most heavily promoted (hyped as cure-alls) with typical dosage recommendations in the range of 4-6 ounces per day. Concentrated forms of the juice may be recommended in lower daily doses of 1-2 tablespoons. References 1. Salleh MN, Runnie I, Roach PD, Mohamed S, Abeywardena MY. Inhibition of Low-Density Lipoprotein Oxidation and Up-Regulation of Low-Density Lipoprotein Receptor in HepG2 Cells by Tropical Plant Extracts. J Agric Food Chem. 2002 Jun 19;50(13):3693-7.2. Wang MY, Su C. Cancer preventive effect of Morinda citrifolia (Noni). Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2001 Dec;952:161-8.3. Liu G, Bode A, Ma WY, Sang S, Ho CT, Dong Z. Two novel glycosides from the fruits of Morinda citrifolia (noni) inhibit AP-1 transactivation and cell transformation in the mouse epidermal JB6 cell line. Cancer Res. 2001 Aug 1;61(15):5749-56.4. Suarez-Almazor ME, Kendall CJ, Dorgan M. Surfing the Net--information on the World Wide Web for persons with arthritis: patient empowerment or patient deceit? J Rheumatol. 2001 Jan;28(1):185-91.5. Wang M, Kikuzaki H, Jin Y, Nakatani N, Zhu N, Csiszar K, Boyd C, Rosen RT, Ghai G, Ho CT. Novel glycosides from noni (Morinda citrifolia). J Nat Prod. 2000 Aug;63(8):1182-3.6. Mueller BA, MK, Sowinski KM, Prag KA. Noni juice (Morinda citrifolia): hidden potential for hyperkalemia? Am J Kidney Dis. 2000 Feb;35(2):310-2.7. Wang M, Kikuzaki H, Csiszar K, Boyd CD, Maunakea A, Fong SF, Ghai G, Rosen RT, Nakatani N, Ho CT. Novel trisaccharide fatty acid ester identified from the fruits of Morinda citrifolia (Noni). J Agric Food Chem. 1999 Dec;47(12):4880-2.8. Hirazumi A, Furusawa E. An immunomodulatory polysaccharide-rich substance from the fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni) with antitumour activity. Phytother Res. 1999 Aug;13(5):380-7.9. Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y. Immunomodulation contributes to the anticancer activity of morinda citrifolia (noni) fruit juice. Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1996;39:7-9.10. Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y. Anticancer activity of Morinda citrifolia (noni) on intraperitoneally implanted lung carcinoma in syngeneic mice. Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1994;37:145-6. Noni juice A new secretary in our office has RA. She claims Noni juice, available in health food stores, is a "miracle juice" that has really helped her. Have any of you heard of this or tried it? Diane (, 3, pauci) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hi Diane, Riley is on Noni. Honestly, she started the Noni at the same time that she started the MTX and the Vioxx so I can't say weather or not the Noni has helped her. But she is doing so well that I am not discontinuing it. It is very expensive and the Noni that we use is the Tahitian Noni by Morinda. It is supposed to be the best. My mom has lupus and says that the Noni has helped her and she became a distributor so she could get it for Riley and the people that she got it for swear by it too. But as far as Riley is concerned, again, she started all of those treatments at the same time so I really don't know. If you want the phone number for Lalani, the medical advisor that I spoke to about Noni let me know. I would be happy to give it to you. She will be happy to answer any questions that you have. Hugs to you and . Ellie and Riley 5 poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 About supplements and Noni juice. I am , mum to Jackie (6 poly). I joined this list because I think it's great to hear about all the experience that all of you have from treating your kids arthritis. The good thing is that many of you have tremendos experience fromm all the drugs that the doctors can provid us with that supresses the symptoms of the Jra. We are all ofcourse hopeing for a drug that will cure arthritis, but as our doctor told us, if we ever find that drug we'll win the Nobel prize. Some drugs help some kids while the same drug does nothing for another kid. The reasons and kinds of arthritis our kids have are different and untill the doctors know what drug is right for the different kinds of Jra and different kids our children just have to go thrue testing all the different coctails out there. But for some kids the drugs are not helping no matter what they try. Jackie happened to be one of thoose kids. The drugs was our first option since half my family are MD's. But the drugs made her worse and worse untill we almost lost her 2 years ago. That's when we started to try different alternative treatments. And giving a person and especially a child something that strengthens the cells, that cleans the colonn, that suppports the inner organs and encourages the immunesystem is the best I can di for her. If I have to give her Mtx and would never take away the ggod supporting things I do for her or give her. Thats when she needs it more than ever. Mtx is a poission that we give to "kill" something, usually cancer or in this case , to slow down the production of the cells in the membran holding the jointfluid so that this membran's cells are not diveding to rapedily and producing even more toxins that damage the joint. I hope I got it all right, if not correct me. I think we need to help each other and share information about other things than giving drugs to handle the kids Jra. The drugcompanies are making a fortune on Embrel and Remicade. Once you start the drug you are on it maybe for lifetime and ofcourse the drugcompanies what a big part of that market. Taking supplements cost a loss less and you can stop it at any time. I am so happy to see how Jackie has her Jra under controll without the drugs. One day we might try them again but until then I'll continue with the supplemets. I should say that I just read a while ago that massage hepls too because it releases a hormon the handles the pain. Stress is an other factor that effects Jackies Jra alot so we try to avoid it. Diet more than anything; we should all eat 5 greans and fruits a day and it helps Jackie a lot. Magnettherapy helps the cells to get rid of toxins and ultrasonic on sore joints make them feel better and has increase her joints range of motion. Taking time and having her on my lap, singing or reading her stories makes her relax and feel better or just telling her positive affirmation so that she feels better about her self. All this small things put together in an "alternative cocktail" works very well for Jackie. Did you all now that the placebo effect of Embrel is over 25 %. That means that every fourt person that gets a placebo does just as well as the once that gets Embrel. It's thats persons belive that the"sugarpill" he is getting is going to get him well that does it. Beliving in recover means the whole world. And why not try that with our kids even if you give them drugs. Jackie's selfconfidence is so much better after we started to tell her what she is accomplishing by herself from her training and strong will to get better and better. We never force her to do anything but she feels in her body what helps and want to continue that. I think when you discuss and "controll" a child with Jra atleast jackie got worse. She takes 10 tablets per day today and have done so for 1 year. Somedays she doesn't want to take a single pill and then we let her get by without taking any but then the next day she'll take them again without arguing. I think it's sad that all the supplemets are being critizised so hard but no one says to much about the drugs that we stuff into our kids everyday. How many of us KNOW what this drugcoctail does to the kids in the long run. Ask your doctor the next time and hopefully you get a better answer than we got "don't worry about that today. The future will tell...." The thing is we don't have to many options. The drugs are a good option and a easy options. A doctor. that have been told by the medicalcompany about the effect (and hopefully the sideeffects that they are avear of) makes decisins about which drugs your kid should have. Or doctor gave Jackie Ibuprofen with Mtx and according to the medicalbook these 2 drugs should not be taken together. I now that giving the drugs makes Jackie a experiment because the drugs that are on the market today noone knows too much about. But we have to live with that and hope for the best. That's what I do too, I hope for the best and that the alternative supplements will help her own body to get well just as the placeboeffect helps so many. please encourage people on this list to tell about supplemetal things that help. Most of the people on the list gives the drugs but it alone doesn't always help. Then it might be good to share alternative ways to reach the goal, A painfree good life for our young kids with Jra that depend on us as parents to do what is best for them and that maybe one day in the future will ask if or why we did what we are doing today to treat their Jra. I am no fanatic or extremly religous person I just think we know our kids so well and it's easier for us than a person that sees the child a couple of times a year to notice the effects of different treatments. Be positive with a positive attitude and it will help your child (and your self). About Noni Juice, yes it tastes not too good but neither does alot of the medecines our kids take. Should that be a reason not to try it? Mix it in a smoothie or have the kid take on sip in the morning and one in the evening. When I was a kid, growing up in Norway, we took fishliveroil every evening to get an important vitamin. It didn't taste good but it was necesary. Just like you convince your child Mtx is necesary. To find a solution to Jra I think we all need to have an open mind and share our knowledge and everyday will be one day closer to the solution for Jra. Have a great day and thank you for providing the list with so much good and concrete information about whats happening in this field/jungle of drugs and supplements. I just miss some information about the sideeffects from the drugs........... 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Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Ellie- I wouldn't mind any information you have. The secretary who told me about it has been putting a bunch of positive internet articles on my desk. I know there are contrary views. Does Riley mind the taste? Do you mix it with something? And finally, did you talk to Riley's doctor about taking it; there aren't any interactions with her other meds, are there? Glad to hear Riley's still doing so well. Thanks, Diane (, 3, pauci) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Hi, In the past few days there's been some discussion on dietary supplements that people use as complementary and/or alternative treatments for arthritis, many of which are sold primarily through various multi-level marketing distributor-ships. Sure enough, today I opened my emails and received a message about a new paper from The National Council Against Health Fraud, explaining their position and offering several recommendations ~ which I've pasted in below. I thought I'd share the information, since it's relevent to what we've been talking about here. Please keep in mind that the opinions of the authors do not necessarily reflect my own : ) Take Care, Georgina The complete text can be viewed at: http://www.ncahf.org/pp/mlm.html Recommendations: To Consumers Avoid health-related multilevel products altogether. Those that have nutritional value are invariably overpriced and may be unnecessary as well. Those promoted as remedies are either unproven, bogus, or intended for conditions that are unsuitable for self-medication. Consider it likely that people who promote products to e-mail discussion groups are MLM distributors. Be very skeptical of claims for high income. People who feel they have been defrauded by MLM companies should file complaints with their state attorney general and with local FDA and FTC offices. A letter detailing the events may be sufficient to trigger an investigation. The more complaints received, the more likely that corrective action will be taken. ----- Original Message ----- From: dbornscheu@... - I think it's great that you've been able to find alternative methods to help Jackie when nothing else was working. For , mtx was a miracle. Of course I worry about the long-term effects. But there are studies which suggest it can be used long-term without significant detriment. I wouldn't take it away from her and risk her quality of life out of fear of something that might happen in the future without very good reason to believe I was truly putting her health at risk. I think people are wary of natural remedies because, if they worked so well, I'd think doctors would be pushing them. I have to believe doctors have our children's best interests at heart. But that doesn't mean some people don't get positive benefits from natural remedies. I have an open mind and am willing to try alternatives if they're safe. I'm just not willing to chuck what's working in favor of an unknown. In your case, it sounds like Jackie's doing really well based on what you're doing now. Good for you for looking for alternatives when the medicine didn't help. If I were you, I would stick with it as long as its working. I may try the Noni juice. It may not work but I've seen no indication it could hurt anything (except my pocketbook):-) Diane (, 3, pauci) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 o- I raised this issue a while ago because I was considering giving it to based on friends' recommendations. I never did, ony because she's doing so well right now I didn't see the need. Ellie gives Noni juice to Riley. I believe she checked with her doctor to make sure it was okay. I know of other people with RA who swear by it. It's expensive and supposedly tastes yucky. I don't think there's anything harmful about it or problems with interactions with meds. Like most natural remedies, there are those who claim it makes a difference but there's not necessarily any scientific evidence (that I know of) to back it up -- which doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work. Diane (, 4, pauci) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Hi, o. Check back in the archives. Put noni juice in the search and you will come up with some posts on this subject from back in Feb. of this year. There is a mom on this list who uses natural things only for her daughter. She posted info then and so did Georgina. Sorry, I have no first hand knowledge of this. Hope this helps, Michele (mom to 16, pauci & spondy) -----Original Message-----From: o Salas [mailto:robertosalas@...] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Noni juice Hi, I was talking to a friend about my daughter's arthritis. She states that she has something similar but she is an adult. She started taking Noni juice. It is a juice that is made in Tahiti and that it helped her alot. Has anybody tried a natural supplement to see if it helps? I am worried that if I give it to my 8 year old it may mess up the medication that she is taking, but it may be worth it if the pain goes away and can reduce the medication she takes. She takes predinosone (sp?), methotrexate, folic acid, and naproxen. o SalasTo leave this mailing list, send request to: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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