Rife

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Check out these sites. Rife operates on the principle of resonance - same as

opera singer shattering glass by hitting a certain note (frequency) with

voice. Certain organisms cannot survive in the presence of certain

frequencies! VBG!

Reading " Vibrational Medicine " by Dr. Gerber (human internist from MI). Most

FASCINATING thing I've ever read! Just awesome. The entire book really

relates to the resonance principle - but not just rife machines (short

section on this), but also homeopathy, acupuncture, flower essences, etc.

(Book is $18 in paperback. Found it at large upscale bookstore in Chicago.

Will send you ISBN No. if you need it - come to think of it, perhaps AMazon

has it - may be cheaper too.)

You can also search for orthobiology - (See Mycoplams site at bottom - many

researchers, etc. you can email for more info.) BTW - no affiliation to any

of these machines / people / products - just trying to help others by sharing

info.

<A

HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-reviews/0919951309/ref=pm_dp_l

n_b_1/002-8807609-6001035 " >Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews: The Cancer

Cur...</A> (Cancer is but one - very important VIRUS (YES, virus) that

frequency generators can CURE - yes CURE. Read on.)

<A HREF= " http://www.excel.net/~jaguar/pplo.html " >Mycoplasma Involvement in

Cancer + AIDS</A> (Can't help but to wonder if this isn't why so many with

lyme have abnormal pap smears & so many pets/people with " tick " (also fly,

mosquito, spider, chigger & flea) diseases frequently develop varisous forms

of cancer.

BTW, I'm NOT a doc or nurse or physicist, just a mom who has been researching

24/7 & can personally attest to the fact that these machines (MUST have

phantron tube - let me know if you need more info - or see " EMEM2 frequency

device Construction.... - last site listed below - explains tube mfd. in

Canada - best one made to-date.)

<A HREF= " http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt.htm " >turf's Electroherbalism

Homepage</A> <A

HREF= " http://the-finchley-clinic.co.uk/ " >the-finchley-clinic.co.uk</A> <A

HREF= " http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=rifebiomed;list " >Rife

Biomedical Research Ring</A> <A

HREF= " http://showcase.cnd.com/althealth/morfreqs.htm " >Looking At the MORs of

Rife-related Plasma Em...</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ " >Royal Rife Technologies</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.thorne.com/townsend/oct/ultraviolet.html " >Ultraviolet

Blood Irradiation for Treatment o...</A> <A

HREF= " http://www.orci.com/~invisible/biomed.htm " >Biomedical Treatments For

Disease</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.royalrife.com/emem2.html " >EMEM2 frequency device

construction and opera...</A>

We've had one for about 3 wks now & daughter is recuperating very nicely.

Even a few wks ago, she really needed her supplements & is beginning to feel

so well that she forgets to take meds & supplements (forgetting is nothing

new - just that she's forgetting she is recovering from lyme & babesia).

Also, tachacardia is GONE completely from her list of symptoms -

lightheadedness is very infrquent - vision changes virtually gone (every once

in a while), etc.

I have never been tested or dxd with lyme, but had more herxes than daughter

when running lyme frequencies. (Although machine is powerful - but harmless

as far as we know - we're going slow with treatments - herxes not severe or

frightening or anything, just sharp " zinging " pains in odd places, confused

" lyme fog brain, " etc. - only lasted a few hrs.)

Let me know what you think. I would not want to live without mine.. I

assure you that if my house were burning down & I could take just 1 thing

besides kids & pets, RIFE would be it! Honestly!

I should add that daughter is still taking doxy & Biaxin - no babesia meds at

all. I began to really wonder when reading accounts of lyme patients ( &

those with co-infections) who have been on antibiotics for so many years &

are still very, very ill - some even continuing to deteriorate. NOT saying

you or anyone else should not take meds prescribed - we just made the

observation that sometimes it appears meds are not working...

Blessings & velcros,

Chris

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In a message dated 00-01-30 23:46:44 EST, you write:

<< Can someone tell me what this is and how it work for us? PJ >>

Hi PJ,

Here are some sites to get you going in your research! VBG! Will be glad to

submit more info later, but time is short right now. (BTW - no interest in

this, other than sharing what info I've learned.)

Quantum physicists have proven that all matter (including our bodies &

disease organisms) are teeny, tiny frozen particles of light (energy). They

have also proven that each different type of frozen light (energy particle)

has it's own frequency at which it operates best. Conversely, they've also

proven that each type has a MOR - or mortal oscillary rate - a frequency at

which the organism cannot survive in the presence of. The organisms either

blow up or the cell walls are destroyed to the point where our immune systems

can identify & erradicate the organisms. (Go to Lymealliance.org & read

4-part tutorial on " Microbiology of Lyme Disease. " Apparently, these little

spirochete organisms take on the exterior appearance of our own immune cells!)

Rife ray tubes are electrical frequency generators that work on the same

principle as the opera singer shattering glass by hitting certain note with

voice - resonance.

Dr. Rife & MANY other researchers have proven (over the last 70 years) that

every living organism has a " mortal oscillary rate " - or a frequency in the

presence of which it cannot survive. Therefore, by tuning a Rife-type

machine to certain frequencies, we can slowly (always slowly with lyme

because of herxes) erradicate the disease organism from our bodies.

I have personally talked to several folks who have been CURED - it does take

a couple of years to be completely " bug-free " - but IMO, it's worth the

effort.

Here is an Amazon site on a wonderfully well-written and DOCUMENTED book by

Barry Lynes, " The Cancer CUre that WOrked: 50 Years of Suppression "

<A

HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-reviews/0919951309/ref=pm_dp_l

n_b_1/002-8807609-6001035 " >Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews: The Cancer

Cur...</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.excel.net/~jaguar/pplo.html " >Mycoplasma Involvement in

Cancer + AIDS</A>

<A HREF= " http://showcase.cnd.com/althealth/morfreqs.htm " >Looking At the MORs

of Rife-related Plasma Em...</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.excel.net/~jaguar/pplo.html " >Mycoplasma Involvement in

Cancer + AIDS</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=rifebiomed;list " >Rife

Biomedical Research Ring</A>

Hope this helps!

Blessings & velcro hugs,

Chris

PS - As always - feel free to email or IM anytime (have TONS more sites to

share).

[Guest guest]

can you tell me where yo got your rife machine and how much it costs. Any

information would be much appreciated. -Val

[Guest guest]

i like bruce stenulson emem+ ... he has constantly upgraded his system and it

offers more features and it is also the most economical...

http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/emem2p.htm

rife

Please

I have been diagnosed with cancer and am interested in bringing

rife/frequency technology into my movement towards health.

I have been lead to two different devices; the BioTec2000 and the Rife/Bare

devices.

I would appreciate any advice/thoughts on above machines and any experiences

that might be helpful to me.

Thanks for your help!

[Guest guest]

You might want to join a Rife group for information.

rife-list@...

I didn't use a Rife, but a cheaper zapper, and it worked quite well. As I

recall, within one hour, you needed three zappings--the first zapping

killed the germs in my blood stream, etc. and the subsequent two zappings

killed the germs that came out of cells/organs. Once I fell asleep and

didn't do the subsequent zappings which caused cold-like symptoms

(sniffling, etc.) but another zapping immediately stopped the symptoms. To

me, this proved that the zapper was working. (Dr. 's model has a

zapper with a wrist band to eliminate manual timing.)

I loan the zapper to an acquaintance and sent her some of Mannatech's

products and Aloe (30,000 mg mucopolysaccaride bottle) juice. At that

time, she was so weak she could hardly speak and the doctors said she was

too weak to undergo chemo/radiation. By taking the supplements, she

regained her strength and underwent conventional therapy. Taking Designer

Foods often help eliminate the terrible side effects of chemo/rad.

The woman seems healthy today, but she lost my zapper. So I now use

Colloidal Silver (by WaterOz) and Designer Foods to rid myself of germs.

In a previous post, I listed some of the better products I have used. In

addition, you might want to try Noni and the 4-herb tea at:

http://www.herbalhealer.com/essiac.html

Joy

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, G. Alt wrote:

> Please

>

> I have been diagnosed with cancer and am interested in bringing

> rife/frequency technology into my movement towards health.

>

> I have been lead to two different devices; the BioTec2000 and the Rife/Bare

> devices.

>

> I would appreciate any advice/thoughts on above machines and any experiences

> that might be helpful to me.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Suggest you contact Dr. Rob McClintock, Phone 509 738 2177 and tell him I,

Manson, suggested you call. He has a new therapy which helps you build

up your immune system and boosts the oxygen level in your cells to about 13

or 14 PPM He will be please to send you info. A friend of ours near our

home with pancreatic cancer just took the initial therapy day before

yesterday and reports to me feeling much better. He can now lift his arm

straight up whereas for one year he could not lift his arm due to the cancer

near his shoulder blade. Also he went to work today feeling much better and

he is only partially finished with the therapy. Dr. McClintock has been

getting good reports for considerable time. The therapy was developed by a

NASA scientist accidentally. He was working I am told toward finding a

solution for ECOLI.

[Guest guest]

At 08:20 AM 6/28/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>Please

>

>I have been diagnosed with cancer and am interested in bringing

>rife/frequency technology into my movement towards health.

>

>I have been lead to two different devices; the BioTec2000 and the Rife/Bare

>devices.

>

>I would appreciate any advice/thoughts on above machines and any experiences

>that might be helpful to me.

>

>Thanks for your help!

>

>~~~~~~~~~

,

Did you know there is rife list? I don't have the info anymore but maybe

somebody else on this list does. Good list too.

~^^V^^~

>

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[Guest guest]

Rife is an electro-magnetic frequencies that when the dials are set to

certain #s, or frequencies, it 'zaps' the spirochetes. It is not just for

lyme. I have purchased, as many here have, a rife machine from Dan in

upstate NY. Actually he does not call it a rife machine, but he imitated the

rife and his is called an EME2. I will swear by it, it works. My sister will

do the same as well as many " lymies " here. I would have to dig out my paper

work to give you more detailed info about it. It is known to destroy the

protozoa, babesia, and the spirochetes of lyme.

sue in nj

If you would like name, address, phone, plz write me privately.

[Guest guest]

Sue,

What else is the rife good for........and how much does it cost????

Finally, is it recommended by any of your lyme doctors?

MD

> Rife is an electro-magnetic frequencies that when the dials are set to

> certain #s, or frequencies, it 'zaps' the spirochetes. It is not just for

> lyme. I have purchased, as many here have, a rife machine from Dan

in

> upstate NY. Actually he does not call it a rife machine, but he imitated

the

> rife and his is called an EME2. I will swear by it, it works. My sister

will

> do the same as well as many " lymies " here. I would have to dig out my

paper

> work to give you more detailed info about it. It is known to destroy the

> protozoa, babesia, and the spirochetes of lyme.

> sue in nj

> If you would like name, address, phone, plz write me privately.

>

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[Guest guest]

The machine that Dan sells is either a single unit (which I paid $115

but I believe is more now) or a 'multi-unit' which is a couple of hundred

dollars. I have Dan's phone # if anyone wants to e-mail me privately. The

rife machine is not only good for lyme but also cancer as well as many other

diseases. Dan has the most incredible stories. If it works, why not? IT

WORKS. I cannot speak for the lyme drs.; I believe that is confidential .

I am sure there are websites about it also.

sue in nj

[Guest guest]

I would appreciate ordering info Sue. Thanks! Val

> Re: [ ] Rife

>

>

> Rife is an electro-magnetic frequencies that when the dials are set to

> certain #s, or frequencies, it 'zaps' the spirochetes. It is not just for

> lyme. I have purchased, as many here have, a rife machine from

> Dan in

> upstate NY. Actually he does not call it a rife machine, but he

> imitated the

> rife and his is called an EME2. I will swear by it, it works. My

> sister will

> do the same as well as many " lymies " here. I would have to dig

> out my paper

> work to give you more detailed info about it. It is known to destroy the

> protozoa, babesia, and the spirochetes of lyme.

> sue in nj

> If you would like name, address, phone, plz write me privately.

>

> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Val, I can't rely pin down what frequencies work for me. I use a lot

more then Lymes, which are 432, 625, 800, 4200. I was sent a book called the

Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing. This book alone is wonderful and no Rife

owner should be without it. It is loaded with over 400 pages of wonderful

information. The order information is from the Center for Frequency

Education, 845-687-0963. Because Lymes acts like a parasite I use parasite

frequencies, I also have Babesia and use those frequencies along with

frequencies for the symptoms of the day, memory, swollen glands etc.. It

seems I must run the machine for a while, at least an hour. It is a bulb

unit, so I can be a few feet away and run it while working on a project. I

keep it in a tray so it is easy to carry about the house. Because my

symptoms are neurological, it was my husband that noticed the most

difference. He said the changes in me can only be contributed to the Rife

machine. I also noticed I lost a lot of weight since using the machine. My

memory improved, my stress was manageable, my mood much more upswing. Lots

of energy and seemed just more normal then I have in years. The book

recommends using the machine for up to five hours a day. This can be done

for 2-1/2 hours in the evening, while watching T.V. or reading a book and

2-1/2 hours in the morning while cleaning a room or folding laundry. This is

what works for me. I hope this helps you.

Bernadette

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Subject: Re: Rife Machine

hi Bernadette, would you mind tellling me which frequencies you use the

machine on. Ihave one too and would be interested in what frequencies seem

to

help you and what your herxes are like. Any info would be much appreciated.

Feel better and better-Val

[Guest guest]

I did hyperbaric twice, 4 weeks 18 months ago, and 8 weeks this

summer. I disagree with Dr. B. It helped me a lot the first time,

and somewhat the second time. For instance, my headaches are all

gone now. I realized this only belatedly and recently. I stopped

the dives around late August or so. I was getting lyme-style

headaches every week or so before then.

The other 3 who dove with me all improved. One did it for many

months, and saw tremendous gains (she was basically bedridden

before). Another had gains but some relapse as well. I haven't kept

up with any of them though.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2002 9:27:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

noo.dle@... writes:

> Subj: [ ] Re: Rife

> Date: 10/26/2002 9:27:59 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: noo.dle@... (noodlydoo)

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto: " > </A>

>

>

>

>

>

> Lynn,

>

> I have not done RIFE yet, although I did purchase a machine. I dont

> know if you tried it yet, but from what I hear, zap yourself and when

> you lying in bed from a MAJOR HERX reaction, then we can discuss

> placebo effect :-)

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> > Just an FYI-I go to Dr B on Long Island and asked

> > specifically about hyperbaric oxygen treatments-said

> > 50-50 shot at " temporary " relief and that the Rife was

> > simply a placebo affect-you'd do better flushing your

> > money down toilet. For what it's worth.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I have not done RIFE yet, although I did purchase a machine. I dont

know if you tried it yet, but from what I hear, zap yourself and when

you lying in bed from a MAJOR HERX reaction, then we can discuss

placebo effect :-)

Chris

> Just an FYI-I go to Dr B on Long Island and asked

> specifically about hyperbaric oxygen treatments-said

> 50-50 shot at " temporary " relief and that the Rife was

> simply a placebo affect-you'd do better flushing your

> money down toilet. For what it's worth.

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

Unfortunately, tone and inflection of voice is lost in the written

word. I was laughing when I wrote what I did, and my comment was not

directed at you, just the community at large. I have a feeling you

may have mis-interpreted my voice and inflection. I put a smiley :-)

after my post because I was laughing. I was just thinking to myself

(in my head as I wrote) if that doctor ever gets lyme, and sits next

to one of those " placebo " machines, he is in for one hell-a so-prise!!

I have never used one...yet....so I dont know myself. Please please

dont take my comments in a nasty " voice " , take them in a ha ha

voice. I'm not questioning his wisdom in lyme. He probably

undoubtedly can speak circles around me. However, I'm equally as

confident that he is probably not an alternative medicine guru (at

least in RIFE circles). I think a more appropriate " response " would

have been - " I think " there placebo, but who knows, many people have

reported benefits, while others have not.

I am saying this all with a smile on my face. I mean no disrespect

to you or your doctor (or his opinion for that matter). I only wrote

it because I have read some duzzies on herxes from RIFE, and then to

hear " placebo " ....it just makes me laugh. I thought placebo was an

effect that makes you feel better, not one that makes you feel like

you were beat up by 20 guys with baseball bats.

:-) <---me smiling again.

my humblest apologies-

Have a great day everyone,

Chris

lynne wrote:

> opinion. Did anyone mention people w/lyme disease are

> seem generally NASTY?

> > >

> > > Lynn,

> > >

> > > I have not done RIFE yet, although I did purchase

> > a machine. I dont

> > > know if you tried it yet, but from what I hear,

> > zap yourself and when

> > > you lying in bed from a MAJOR HERX reaction, then

> > we can discuss

> > > placebo effect :-)

> > >

> > > Chris

[Guest guest]

I also disagree with Dr. B on the rife issue. It has helped me with the lyme

symptoms I have had for years. It is not a cure all but then, again, what

is? My rife was not expensive and it has been worth the little I spent on

it.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hey Donna-

Haven't talked w/ you in a while....how are you?

I TOTALLY agree that rifes DO work, I have 2, sent one to an ALS/Lou Gehrig's

patient. Many LLMDs have them and I have the info where to get them. NO

PERSONAL PROFIT for me!!!

sue in nj

sue massie

[Guest guest]

I have a friend who has a QXCI and is a practitioner. He's a great

guy but I've never told him, I think that is all bunk--quantum

mechanics yeah right. Just pure smoke and mirrors.

There are lots of rife machines around. Glad that helped you.

[Guest guest]

At 05:46 30/07/03, Caryn wrote:

> It's no good if the person treating you isn't knowledgeable

>and sympathetic as part of the healing.

This suggests that the effect is due to the placebo effect. If it were a

robust treatment, the results would be there regardless of the attitude or

bedside manner of the practitioner.

>I am so nearly well, 90% of

>the time I'm good, as soon as I start thinking I'm bullet-proof and

>start the junk train, I'm pulled back into line by my body.

And this says to me that you are in fact not cured. Everybody goes through

these cycles no matter what treatments they are undertaking.

Good luck though, there is something to be said for a treatment that

improves the situation no matter what the reason, even if it is

placebo. Problem is that people reading the list need to get balanced

views when deciding how to spend their healthcare money.

wrote:

>Rather than follow up on this clue that would have led straight to H

>Pylori, the medical establishment forced the hospitals to stop this

>misapplication of therapy since it was well known that " ulcers are

>caused by stress " .

>History tells us that there could actually be miraculous cures in our

>midst that would be suppressed by dogmatic doctors.

Yes but there is a hell of a difference between the likelihood of abx

helping ulcers, and the likelihood of electrical or something pulses curing

infections. I keep saying that you have to use your wits in assessing

something, and it certainly helps to have a bit of a technical

background. The exotic machines that have been getting amazing press since

electricity was invented (and fading away for periods - as follows fashion,

not medical results) appeal to people with no technical background

precisely because they " sound " as though they should be good (to the

uninformed or uncritical layperson), but there is nothing to show that they

even MIGHT be useful. Not even the vaguest mechanism that might explain

some positive effect. This is quite unlike the use of abx for ulcers for

which a possible mechanism is obvious (which is exactly why the medical

research community should be so ashamed of itself for its treatment of

Barry Marshall and his co-researchers on this matter).

>I share your skepticism, but it would mean more to me to see one CFS

>patient use a Rife machine and then return to a normal lifestyle than

>to hear a hundred doctors tell me " That's Impossible " .

Well if you share the skepticism, why not look for that example of a single

person who has returned from serious CFS or Lyme to a NORMAL LIFESTYLE by

using electrical machines! Despite the hype, there are none.

I remain open to news of people who are helped by RIFE more than placebo,

but have never seen it. There has been a hundred years of similar miracle

machines, and if there was something that could be be " tuned " to kill all

bacteria and viruses, it would have taken over the health world by

now. The observable fact is that they do not cure people.

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Canberra, Australia

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[Guest guest]

> Yes but there is a hell of a difference between the likelihood of

abx helping ulcers, and the likelihood of electrical or something

pulses curing infections. Not even the vaguest mechanism that might

explain some positive effect. This is quite unlike the use of abx for

ulcers for which a possible mechanism is obvious (which is exactly why

the medical research community should be so ashamed of itself for its

treatment of Barry Marshall and his co-researchers on this matter).<

The Dr.s didn't see any mechanism at all, let alone an " obvious "

one.

> Well if you share the skepticism, why not look for that example of a

single person who has returned from serious CFS or Lyme to a NORMAL

LIFESTYLE by using electrical machines! Despite the hype, there are

none.<

I'm looking.

> I remain open to news of people who are helped by RIFE more than

placebo, but have never seen it. There has been a hundred years of

similar miracle machines, and if there was something that could be be

" tuned " to kill all bacteria and viruses, it would have taken over the

health world by now. The observable fact is that they do not cure

people.<

That's why I've not yet become the proud owner of a Rife machine.

Still waiting for someone to prove it works.

But as far as any demonstrable therapy taking over the health world

by now, a recent CDC survey showed that only 50% of GP's and 80%

of gastroeneterologists knew about H pylori.

How long have you known about it? (Enquiring Minds Want to Know)

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[Guest guest]

This is the QXCI that you mention. Word has it on the street that it

is better at diagnosing but not so great at treating. Still, I have

heard from a few who have used it and like Elton Pigg device that

theoretically shouldn't work, some think it is certainly worth while

undergoing. I don't think it is similar to rife though at all. Rife

is EMF whereas I don't think QXCI is EMF at all and the rife does not

technically " zap " you whereas QXCI does. Rife does not depend on

radionics or psychic subspace type of energy medicine like the Elton

Pigg device and QXCI. Still, if it works then that is great.

> Hi all

>

> I have weekly treatments on Quantam Xxriod. It is similar in ways

to

> RIFE, based on frequencies etc. It also has an inbuilt zapper.

When

> I started, I was on a road to no-where, I didn't know what else to

do

> with my life as a result of my CFS. I have used the QX since Nov

> last year, and this was my turn-around point. I go weekly and some

> days have serious herx effects, sometimes not. As my therapist

says,

> it takes years for the body to reach this stage, so naturally, with

> love and care, it'll take a while to start getting back to normal.

> The treatment is part of the therapy, the therapist is the other

> part. It's no good if the person treating you isn't knowledgeable

> and sympathetic as part of the healing. I am so nearly well, 90%

of

> the time I'm good, as soon as I start thinking I'm bullet-proof and

> start the junk train, I'm pulled back into line by my body.

>

> Take care

> Caryn

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n, that is b/c you're not out there looking. You expect people

to just come and bump into you and share their experiences? Also,

too many friends I know and have met do not post publically. Not

everyone is as obsessive as I am to post and overpost on stuff and

many find something that helps a lot and then leave the list and you

never hear from them. I try to live life by Golden Rule and so my

ethic is if I find something that works then tell people if I really

think it would help many b/c to keep it to myself is sorta selfish.

You should join the lyme-and-rife group and see for yourself the

consistent many who used long term abx who couldn't get off their abx

for getting instant remission w/i days every time they tried to, and

then beginning rifing and coming off abx in short time. Even the doc

at the ILADS conference who stood to make no monitary benefit of

recommending rife said of all his patients, the ones that used abx

AND rife were the only ones who got cured. Do your homework and make

friends with a bunch of lymers and you will see for yourself that it

does work. Nice try though with your usual over-skepticism. You

read Skeptic magazine? You should if you are not already a

subscriber. That's not a joke--it is an actual published journal.

If you were close enough to me I'd throw you on my rife machine and

see if I could make you eat your words. My, how fun that would be.

Btw, there are immune stimulating frequencies listed, as well as CFS

frequencies. Like I said, rife is multi-purpose in its theoretical

application, but my confidence in it is weighted toward its

effectiveness in lyme specifically, not other applications like

dandruff or depression or stimulating immune system or cancer, as I

don't know enough who have used it for that to have much faith in it,

not that I disbelieve it can be used for other things too.

> Well if you share the skepticism, why not look for that example of

a single

> person who has returned from serious CFS or Lyme to a NORMAL

LIFESTYLE by

> using electrical machines! Despite the hype, there are none.

>

> I remain open to news of people who are helped by RIFE more than

placebo,

> but have never seen it. There has been a hundred years of similar

miracle

> machines, and if there was something that could be be " tuned " to

kill all

> bacteria and viruses, it would have taken over the health world by

> now. The observable fact is that they do not cure people.

>

> n

>

> n

> Canberra, Australia

> http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~julian/photo-an/photo-an.htm

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n wrote:

> Well if you share the skepticism, why not look for that example of a single

> person who has returned from serious CFS or Lyme to a NORMAL LIFESTYLE by

> using electrical machines! Despite the hype, there are none.

*AMEN* to that!

> I remain open to news of people who are helped by RIFE more than placebo,

> but have never seen it. There has been a hundred years of similar miracle

> machines, and if there was something that could be be " tuned " to kill all

> bacteria and viruses, it would have taken over the health world by

> now. The observable fact is that they do not cure people.

Thanks, n, for saying it like it is. I've watched hundreds of

people waste their precious time, money, and sometimes even what little

health they have left on utter nonsense that has shown no results over

many years of use. People need to really research things before trying

them. Learn what makes a good study! If a study uses only a few

people, it's worthless. It's it's done over just a short period of

time, it's worthless. Who paid for the study? That's critical. Would

you really trust a study that says cigarettes are safe if you leanred

the tobacco industry paid for it? And don't believe anecdotal

" evidence " . That proves nothing!

A perfect example of all this is the Coral Calcium craze. Bob Barefoot

claims it cures everything from cancer to osteoporosis. It's nothing

more than Tums (calcium carbonate) with a few extra minerals! Barefoot

has never presented any legitimate research to back up his claims. And

now it turns out that his calcium has one of the highest levels of lead

of any calcium supplement tested. (See Consumerlab.com)

Do your research and protect yourself and your wallet!

Teewinot

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I was amazed to see the location for Barefoots Coral Calcium facility

in Incline Village on Enterprise street. I used to live on Enterprise

right next door to Dr s office and I didn't remember seeing

anything that looked like any kind of manufacturing facility on that

street.

I went to check it out and it was a tiny office sandwiched between the

Mexican market and the Presbyterian ladies thrift store and underneath

the low budgent apartments that locals call " the Ghetto " .

I looked in the window but when someone inside talking on the phone

saw me they pulled the curtain closed.

I'll have to take a picture of it to send to anyone who wants to see

the " Coral Calcium Manufacturing Plant " . It was hilarious.

I want to see purveyors of snake oil and " CFS specialists " who offer

nothing more than the same old crap STOMPED OUT.

But at the same time, if something helps someone for real, even a

little, I'd hate to see it overlooked.

I knew a biochemist in Incline who designed vitamins and I asked him

what he recommended. This was in 1986) and he told me about CoQ10 and

L-Carnitine. I couldn't tell if the Q10 was doing anything but the

L-Carnitine really did seem to help a bit. Not a lot by most peoples

standards, but I guessed that I was crawling to the bathroom at least

10% faster than usual and that meant a lot to me. I told everyone that

I had a small but significant improvement. Some had similar results,

others didn't. But for those who did, it was well worth knowing about.

Years later Dr released an abstract describing an

Acyl L-Carnitine deficiency in CFS. Since it didn't help everyone,

it's semi-ignored but it really helped me get through some hard times.

I know a " CFS specialist " who charges triple a normal doctors rates to

tell people that L-Carnitine is damn near curative, and he just

happens to have some in his office he'll sell you for a slight markup

over store price for the convenience.

The only way I know to get reliable information on what you can expect

from a therapy is to talk to others who've tried it.

It would be really nice to have a centralized therapy-result database

that only accepted input from reliable and trustworthy PWC's who have

no vested interest in promoting a therapy or selling a product.

No Doctors. No Purveyors.

I've seen people fry themselves with the " Zapper " and never saw anyone

get any benefit from it.

But if says he thinks that Rife is doing something, I'm

interested.

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