Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 > I try to live life by Golden Rule Hi . The Golden Rule is something along the lines of, " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. " I don't see how getting back at people who " tried to cram old CFIDS down your throat " (I think your words were something like that) fits into that ethos. I don't understand your anger at this group (I remember it from your homeopathic days). Would you accept an apology for any past wrongs, an acknowledgement that you are much better at healing (and no doubt many other things) than most of us on this group and congratulations on your improved health; and then wipe the slate clean and we'll all try to live by the Golden Rule? We all have enough problems. The last thing we need is to cause each other more. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 >Rife does not depend on >radionics or psychic subspace type of energy medicine like the Elton >Pigg device and QXCI Could someone give us a lucid explanation of what " radionics " is and what is " psychic subspace energy medicine " please? I can't wait. Below is a quote from http://www.radionics.org/#top but it is definitely not a lucid explanation! It is good entertainment though. Excellent in fact. ------------ " Radionics was first discovered more than a century ago. It is technology that makes use of abstractions (in the form of radionic rates, i.e., settings of the dials on the radionics device) to help you project energy (life force, orgone) and trends (that give inclination to desired effects or results) at any distance. We show in the transfer test that distance is irrelevant in work with radionics. You can use the radionics device to project energy and trends to yourself and to others. This fact makes radionics a powerful tool in your hands, provided that you have the open mind to make use of this extraordinary new technology. We will show you here that such projection is possible with the help of life force and structural links. In the case of radionics, these structural links are of a purely abstract nature in the form of radionics settings, or " rates " . In other words: the technology of Radionics can now easily be explained as a direct consequence of the characteristics of life force: Its transfer at any distance by way of structural links and its negative entropy! Assumptions resulting from esoteric or philosophical speculations, such as non-measurable " radionic frequencies " , higher planes, astral energies, morphogenetic fields and the like are no longer necessary for a scientific explanation of the amazing effects of radionics! " ------------ There is more, much more, on this page. If you want a feast of pages in a similar vein, put " radionics rife " into google and then settle back for hours. There is a reasonable (i.e. not credulous) definition of radionics and rife etc at http://www.canoe.ca/AltmedDictionary/r.html which is the " R " page of an online dictionary of alternate medicine. This is an interesting page, have a look at radionics and rife explanations there, and gaze in wonder at the other explanations of similar " R " words. Astounding. ANd for people who believe you should try everything before you comment on them, here is a page describing several fabulous devices that should be tried by members of this group... http://www.bioenergeticmedicine.org/radionics.htm I continue to think that discussion of devices based on such pseudo-science babble should be banned from this list. This is the only reason I post on this matter - to try and get these items banned. Well, not quite true, I do think there is great entertainment value here. Which would be funny if it weren't so serious and if it did not detract so heavily from the value and credibility of this list. n, greatly saddened by how things are going here. n Canberra, Australia http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~julian/photo-an/photo-an.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Hi - >a recent CDC survey showed that only 50% of GP's and 80% > of gastroeneterologists knew about H pylori. > How long have you known about it? (Enquiring Minds Want to Know) > > - That happens to be a particularly good question to ask me, because on this subject I was way up there! I've had peptic ulcers since teenage-hood and I NEVER thought they were stress caused. In fact I truly, genuinely said to people in the 70's that I was sure ulcers were caused by infection, but my doctors poo-poohed this as you can imagine. Then when Marshall started making noises in the early 80's, I jumped straight onto his 'theory' and pushed my doctors into looking into his views. Well, I only succeeded with the GP, and even he was probably just being nice to me. As soon as tests and protocols became available I was on them. Unfortunately after about a dozen triple therapies (or quadruple) I am still infected because I have a dud immune system. Which is why I had ulcers in the first place, not stress. I recognise what you are saying about difficult acceptance of these 'new' ideas by an unbelievably conservative profession, but my point is that this is totally different from accepting un-justified, un-demonstrated, un-provable 'miracle machines' which have not even a shred of possible mechanism to explain how they MIGHT work. The helicobacter story is based on science, and even before Marshall started his research, you could look at ulcers and say " these might be caused by infection, in which case antibiotics might fix ulcers " . Then you could set about testing to see if this is true, but the difference is that you have identified a logical way in which ulcers MIGHT be explained, and thus a logical way in which they MIGHT be cured. With the miracle machines, there is no logic whatsoever to support why they MIGHT work. Nothing, zilch, none. The makers can't show us any science / logic to suggest the mechanism by which these things might possibly manage to kill bacteria and viruses. I'm not asking for proof, just a POSSIBLE mechanism. Instead all they have is the superficially attractive idea that " waves " are good things and since we can make variable frequency waves, we might somehow kill bugs with these waves. This sort of 'logic' appeals to people who - at worst - choose not to think, or more often, who don't have any training or understanding of technical matters or the scientific method thus are not in a position to critically evaluate such claims. As I said before, does anyone really think that something could be as good as these manufacturers and pyramid sellers say it is and not have the whole world using them for every infection? Of course not. The only reason these machines don't fill every hospital ward is that they don't work. There are many countries and political regimes desperate for cheap health care and they try everything, and they experiment. They are not using these machines. In fact nobody who has public RESPONSIBILITY for treating people and getting results uses them - doesn't this tell us something? Good luck in your search. n Canberra, Australia http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~julian/photo-an/photo-an.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 You go Tom!!! We all experience anger because we are ill, but let's keep in mind this is the 'Experimental Group' and as such should be open minded and hopefully gaining something from belonging to it. If it angers some people that some suggestions don't necessarily conform to their way of thinking, well, fortunately we all are different and don't allow ourselves to be influenced into tight little corners of conformity. People in this group are great, in general, with their open outlook. Caryn > > I try to live life by Golden Rule > > Hi . > > The Golden Rule is something along the lines of, " Do unto others as > you would have them do unto you. " > > I don't see how getting back at people who " tried to cram old CFIDS > down your throat " (I think your words were something like that) fits > into that ethos. I don't understand your anger at this group (I > remember it from your homeopathic days). > > Would you accept an apology for any past wrongs, an acknowledgement > that you are much better at healing (and no doubt many other things) > than most of us on this group and congratulations on your improved > health; and then wipe the slate clean and we'll all try to live by the > Golden Rule? > > We all have enough problems. The last thing we need is to cause each > other more. > > Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Hi I for one wnat to hear about RIFE and keep the discussion in this list I don't want any animosity or anything that will casue each other angst or grief. can I ask everyone to try and park their emotions and be open about it We are still meant to be experimental. I also think that we can use skeptics such as n and I respect his opinion. However lets try and keep it based as much on reporting information Cheers Rife In a message dated 7/31/03 12:57:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > I've seen people fry themselves with the " Zapper " and never saw anyone > get any benefit from it. > But if says he thinks that Rife is doing something, I'm > interested. > I only know one person who has used a " Zapper " , Hulda type--Bob on this list and he didn't like using it b/c he herxed. But it is just like abx for many--you herx and so maybe Zapper was working for him but herxing makes it tough to want to use it. I'm not even pat my 30 day trial period for my rife machine. I could send it back if I wanted to and get my money back less a restocking fee. I'm not gonna send it back. I just rifed a CFS lady today who has CFS 20 years. I did lyme frequencies and if that does nothing then maybe parasites next time. She originally went to Dr. Lapp back before he moved to Charlotte. Said he was a real nice guy but tunnel visioned like all the CFS Specialists we hear about. I'll report more on my rife in the future as it is too early to tell now. As for the person who said annecdotal evidence is worthless, I guess you never took chicken soup for your cold before they finally did studies just a few years ago which showed it really helped? Also, I guess you hang around this list only for the scientific studies that are released, which happens every now and then? I mean, who cares if many like the FIR sauna b/c it is not scientifically proven to help CFSers, so don't waste your money on it, right? And assuming you have the money, don't got out and try a rife machine for 30 days even though it has money back guarantee and too many long term chronic lymers are coming off their abx when using it, right? Good thinking. You'll save lots of money that way...oh, and stay sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 n, You shouldn't be so quick to decide that you've got a dud for an immune system and that's why you can't cure bacterial ulcers. You should look more carefully at how resilient bacteria are, how adaptable, how capable of morphing, taking on other genetic material, shedding their cell walls, and coating themselves in bio-film. How almost impervious they've become, thanks to a lot of help from their friends, --the medical profession and the food industry. And if you do treat the bugs, you especially need to do regular cultures with sensitivities, to find out if you're treating with the proper antibiotics, or if it's the abx that have become the duds, since your bacteria can quickly become resistant to them. You know what's really sad? Precious few modern doctors have a clue when it comes to lab work. But it's all there in the medical texts and abstracts. Of course, the entire human system gets thrown out of balance when in constant fight mode, and of course the immune system gets stressed, and the blood gets thick, and too little oxygen and nutrients reach the cellular level, and toxins are released, and the cytokine response is activated, and the fibrin builds up and the glands all get stressed, and the HLA axis is thrown off balance. It goes on and on and on and we break down, down, down. It may be a chicken or egg kind of thing at this point. But one thing we know. People who use the correct abx, tend to feel improvement when nothing else seems to work. Before deciding you don't have a bacterial cause for your ulcer, and possibly all your illnesses (hey, they just came out with a study showing prostratitis is caused by bacteria), you really should study the little critters a bit more. Don't be fooled, they're much scarier than they look. all the best. penny > Hi - > > >a recent CDC survey showed that only 50% of GP's and 80% > > of gastroeneterologists knew about H pylori. > > How long have you known about it? (Enquiring Minds Want to Know) > > > > - > > That happens to be a particularly good question to ask me, because on this > subject I was way up there! I've had peptic ulcers since teenage- hood and > I NEVER thought they were stress caused. In fact I truly, genuinely said > to people in the 70's that I was sure ulcers were caused by infection, but > my doctors poo-poohed this as you can imagine. > > Then when Marshall started making noises in the early 80's, I jumped > straight onto his 'theory' and pushed my doctors into looking into his > views. Well, I only succeeded with the GP, and even he was probably just > being nice to me. As soon as tests and protocols became available I was on > them. Unfortunately after about a dozen triple therapies (or quadruple) I > am still infected because I have a dud immune system. Which is why I had > ulcers in the first place, not stress. > > I recognise what you are saying about difficult acceptance of these 'new' > ideas by an unbelievably conservative profession, but my point is that this > is totally different from accepting un-justified, un-demonstrated, > un-provable 'miracle machines' which have not even a shred of possible > mechanism to explain how they MIGHT work. The helicobacter story is based > on science, and even before Marshall started his research, you could look > at ulcers and say " these might be caused by infection, in which case > antibiotics might fix ulcers " . Then you could set about testing to see if > this is true, but the difference is that you have identified a logical way > in which ulcers MIGHT be explained, and thus a logical way in which they > MIGHT be cured. > > With the miracle machines, there is no logic whatsoever to support why they > MIGHT work. Nothing, zilch, none. The makers can't show us any science / > logic to suggest the mechanism by which these things might possibly manage > to kill bacteria and viruses. I'm not asking for proof, just a POSSIBLE > mechanism. Instead all they have is the superficially attractive idea that > " waves " are good things and since we can make variable frequency waves, we > might somehow kill bugs with these waves. This sort of 'logic' appeals to > people who - at worst - choose not to think, or more often, who don't have > any training or understanding of technical matters or the scientific method > thus are not in a position to critically evaluate such claims. > > As I said before, does anyone really think that something could be as good > as these manufacturers and pyramid sellers say it is and not have the whole > world using them for every infection? Of course not. The only reason > these machines don't fill every hospital ward is that they don't > work. There are many countries and political regimes desperate for cheap > health care and they try everything, and they experiment. They are not > using these machines. In fact nobody who has public RESPONSIBILITY for > treating people and getting results uses them - doesn't this tell us > something? > > > Good luck in your search. > > > > n > Canberra, Australia > http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~julian/photo-an/photo-an.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Rife is very stron and specific frequencies. There are niow, very confusingly, many ferquencies listed in the Consolidated Rife List (web bowser). Rife is a sledgehammer compared to the gentle homeopathic approach of the QX. You can't use the QX to do rife directly. However use the QX properly and you will acieve the same end result. It is essentially not necessary to use the manual rife frequencies and I suggest that this is best left to Rife therapists. Kelsey Rife Could someone give some explanations how the Rife frequencies on the QX can be used? Thanks, Darla ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Darla, is right on target in suggesting leaving Rife (frequency specific) therapies to accomplished therapists, but I would like to add a thought or two. Earlier generation Rife devices, which generated pressure waves, created the sledge hammer effect describes and tended to treat the whole neighborhood, and could actually contaminate local energy vials (say for a bi-com system). However newer generation Rife devices are available that use newer technology (direct electro-dermal where the clients skin is the capacitor) resulting in more direct application of the energy. Rather than sledge hammers, the newer systems are now more like "smart bombs" amid at specific pathogens. Some of the newer systems also greatly ease application of frequencies by providing a "program" option to selecting frequencies (you select a symptom, disease or pathogen) and the documentation directs you to a program number which can be entered to apply the right frequency/frequency combinations for fast and easy therapy. Hope this helps. Barry at QWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Dear Barry, Thank you for this, Could you please provide a list of the newer rife machines? Or perhaps a link to a site (s) Thanks, Gage Re: Rife Darla, is right on target in suggesting leaving Rife (frequency specific) therapies to accomplished therapists, but I would like to add a thought or two. Earlier generation Rife devices, which generated pressure waves, created the sledge hammer effect describes and tended to treat the whole neighborhood, and could actually contaminate local energy vials (say for a bi-com system). However newer generation Rife devices are available that use newer technology (direct electro-dermal where the clients skin is the capacitor) resulting in more direct application of the energy. Rather than sledge hammers, the newer systems are now more like "smart bombs" amid at specific pathogens. Some of the newer systems also greatly ease application of frequencies by providing a "program" option to selecting frequencies (you select a symptom, disease or pathogen) and the documentation directs you to a program number which can be entered to apply the right frequency/frequency combinations for fast and easy therapy. Hope this helps. Barry at QWC ............................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 I tested someone the other day and the message which came up surprised me. It said " It would be dangerous to continue with the test". Does any one know what this is supposed to mean? Thanks. le Re: Rife Darla, is right on target in suggesting leaving Rife (frequency specific) therapies to accomplished therapists, but I would like to add a thought or two. Earlier generation Rife devices, which generated pressure waves, created the sledge hammer effect describes and tended to treat the whole neighborhood, and could actually contaminate local energy vials (say for a bi-com system). However newer generation Rife devices are available that use newer technology (direct electro-dermal where the clients skin is the capacitor) resulting in more direct application of the energy. Rather than sledge hammers, the newer systems are now more like "smart bombs" amid at specific pathogens. Some of the newer systems also greatly ease application of frequencies by providing a "program" option to selecting frequencies (you select a symptom, disease or pathogen) and the documentation directs you to a program number which can be entered to apply the right frequency/frequency combinations for fast and easy therapy. Hope this helps. Barry at QWC ............................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 le, I have seen this come up under different circumstances. Once when, I was asked to bring up a deceased pet (I did not know pet had died) , and again when trying to connect with an existing client with serious neurological problems. My assumption is the targets super-conscious, for whatever reasons, does not want to converse with you/QXCI at that time. Barry at QWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 The closest we have had to that was a client that the quantum wouldn't test and the next day they were admitted into a psychiatric facility for a breakdown. Re: Rife Darla, is right on target in suggesting leaving Rife (frequency specific) therapies to accomplished therapists, but I would like to add a thought or two. Earlier generation Rife devices, which generated pressure waves, created the sledge hammer effect describes and tended to treat the whole neighborhood, and could actually contaminate local energy vials (say for a bi-com system). However newer generation Rife devices are available that use newer technology (direct electro-dermal where the clients skin is the capacitor) resulting in more direct application of the energy. Rather than sledge hammers, the newer systems are now more like "smart bombs" amid at specific pathogens. Some of the newer systems also greatly ease application of frequencies by providing a "program" option to selecting frequencies (you select a symptom, disease or pathogen) and the documentation directs you to a program number which can be entered to apply the right frequency/frequency combinations for fast and easy therapy. Hope this helps. Barry at QWC ............................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 This area for rife is made to put in an upper and lower range (to get the whole range) so if you are using 66.5 then put in 66 to 67 or 65 to 68 for a little wider spread. As to time up to 5 minutes and yes you do one " set " at a time. Now as to the Scalar numbers I have been asking people for these frequencies for 6 years and still have not gotten any reputable numbers so I leave it alone. Basically it is similar to a Rife machine. Now if you want more numbers for rife all at one time then do your therapy from the disease dictionary, where they are already applied and you can put it on for an extended time or long term therapy. Yours in health Kathy Rife Could anyone share how they are using the rife frequencies and the scalar? I have seen the frequencies on websites. How do you apply them in our Scio? I have been using the 66.5 in rife, up and down (for enzymes) and 2400000 up and down in the scalar. Type in one number at a Time? For how long? Anything in the bottom #? Do you need another # for a carrier? How to apply the frequencies in the boxes? Anything you can share with this program would be appreciated. My chiropractor friend has one, and is so impressed with it (A Rife Machine). Especially with viruses and parasites. Using this function on Therapy page...is this the same as a rife machine? Any specific way we should use the straps, etc. Thanks for your help Sharon s.s.t@... ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Hi Jeanie, I always put the frequency the client needs in the upper and lower (in both Rife & Scalar), let's say the frequency the client need is 1009, I put this number in all four boxes and let it run for 2-3 minutes . If it is a bacteria, what I do is take the frequency number, for example 2005 and I put 2010 in the upper boxes (both) and 2000 in the lower boxes (both). that way I give a little margin in the frequency in case this bactera, or virus has mutated. I hope this helps Good Luck!! Pilina On Dec 12, 2007 8:39 AM, Pasquale <JPasqualeQXCI@...> wrote: Who can tell me how to put in the numbers for both boxes in the rife page? THANKS. Jeanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Lets use the example of number 256 in the high place 257 in the low 255. Set the timer up to 5 minutes and start the therapy. Yours in Health, KathyPasquale <JPasqualeQXCI@...> wrote: Who can tell me how to put in the numbers for both boxes in the rife page? THANKS. Jeanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 > > Bee, > > I was reading a link you posted for someone and it describes Royal Rife's work in some detail. What is your opinion on using a Rife Machine to kill Candida? I understand the die-off can be pretty intense with a Rife machine. This is the link you had posted: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php > > I could have access to one if I wanted but I have never pursued it. +++Hi Beth. There are good machines, and there are bad ones on the market. Good ones may help some people for a little while, however, overall the only way to cure diseases or improve health is by building up the immune system, which no machine can do. Nothing speeds up the building process since the body requires time, i.e. 1 month for every year you've been unwell. The best to you, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Hi Jazzman, I used a detox box for a year with little noticeable result (I was also on antibiotics so it was hard to tell what was doing what plus the rife is not that effective when on antibiotics). Then, in January, I got a GB4000 with the amplifier (plus I quite antibiotics after 2.5 years). Rosner lists this in his book on rife and I knew some people who swore by it. A friend of mine in southern conn. has had lyme for 17 years, on and off IV antibiotics and all sorts of herbs, etc. Well, she has been on the Gb4000 for a couple of years and for a year, she has been feeling pretty much 100%. She just tested negative for lyme through Igenix for the first time although she still has some coinfection issues (minor) and is dealing with those. I have made more progress since January than ever before. I've been sick for about 6 years. It took about 2 before I has a diagnosed and started treating. The first 2 years every doc thought it was CFS or adrenal fatigue or all in my head....SO WRONG! I use the preset groups of frequencies listed in the book that came with the machine for lyme and coinfections plus I use Rosner's book and run the recommended frequencies in there. I was going to try the coil but I've never had consistent areas of pain (on and off in hips and neck) and fatigue is my biggest issue so I wanted a machine that would go through my whole body. My understanding of the coil is that it gets pointed at and effects only a small area. Also, of note, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed over the past 6 months as well so it could be a factor in my progress. I still have a very long way to go to 'normal' but at least I'm not in bed all day anymore and feel hopeful that maybe I'll be able to resume a life that includes some of the things I always loved and have missed terribly these past years. I tell people that I can't really do what I want yet but I can do many things that I enjoy...not too bad. I hope this helps. judyb On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Jay A. Rovert wrote: > Judy Blake, > > What type of Rife & what frequencies? > How long have you been infected? > I coiled for 2 years with no results except a better gut. > Jazzman > Re: [ ] Re: Full Moon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone else experiences this with Lyme, (CFS & > >> > Fibro). > >> > During the full moon does your symptoms flare up more than other days? > >> > > >> > This is the first month on my abx and this full moon my pains are > >> > awful, > >> > with headaches, shooting pains and restless legs. The fatigue is just > >> > ridiculous. > >> > > >> > Before the full moon, before abx - I used to do some things around > >> > the house > >> > maybe in the yard. But last two days I can barely get my shower in. > >> > > >> > I was just wondering. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jeannie > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Interesting Judy - I tried the BG4000 on both the Lyme pre-sets - 466 and 467 for the alloted 25 mins each. Didn't react at all. But when I use my borrowed coil (at 432 and sometimes 395 for ehrlichia), if I go too long, I really notice a difference!!!! We are all so different. Re: [ ] RIFE Hi Jazzman, I used a detox box for a year with little noticeable result (I was also on antibiotics so it was hard to tell what was doing what plus the rife is not that effective when on antibiotics). Then, in January, I got a GB4000 with the amplifier (plus I quite antibiotics after 2.5 years). Rosner lists this in his book on rife and I knew some people who swore by it. A friend of mine in southern conn. has had lyme for 17 years, on and off IV antibiotics and all sorts of herbs, etc. Well, she has been on the Gb4000 for a couple of years and for a year, she has been feeling pretty much 100%. She just tested negative for lyme through Igenix for the first time although she still has some coinfection issues (minor) and is dealing with those. I have made more progress since January than ever before. I've been sick for about 6 years. It took about 2 before I has a diagnosed and started treating. The first 2 years every doc thought it was CFS or adrenal fatigue or all in my ! head....SO WRONG! I use the preset groups of frequencies listed in the book that came with the machine for lyme and coinfections plus I use Rosner's book and run the recommended frequencies in there. I was going to try the coil but I've never had consistent areas of pain (on and off in hips and neck) and fatigue is my biggest issue so I wanted a machine that would go through my whole body. My understanding of the coil is that it gets pointed at and effects only a small area. Also, of note, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed over the past 6 months as well so it could be a factor in my progress. I still have a very long way to go to 'normal' but at least I'm not in bed all day anymore and feel hopeful that maybe I'll be able to resume a life that includes some of the things I always loved and have missed terribly these past years. I tell people that I can't really do what I want yet but I can do many things that I enjoy...not too bad. I hope this helps. judyb On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Jay A. Rovert wrote: > Judy Blake, > > What type of Rife & what frequencies? > How long have you been infected? > I coiled for 2 years with no results except a better gut. > Jazzman > Re: [ ] Re: Full Moon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone else experiences this with Lyme, (CFS & > >> > Fibro). > >> > During the full moon does your symptoms flare up more than other days? > >> > > >> > This is the first month on my abx and this full moon my pains are > >> > awful, with headaches, shooting pains and restless legs. The > >> > fatigue is just ridiculous. > >> > > >> > Before the full moon, before abx - I used to do some things > >> > around the house maybe in the yard. But last two days I can > >> > barely get my shower in. > >> > > >> > I was just wondering. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jeannie > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 It's crazy, isn't it! So all we can do is keep trying different things until something works. On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:05 PM, wrote: > Interesting Judy - I tried the BG4000 on both the Lyme pre-sets - 466 and > 467 for the alloted 25 mins each. Didn't react at all. But when I use my > borrowed coil (at 432 and sometimes 395 for ehrlichia), if I go too long, I > really notice a difference!!!! > > We are all so different. > > > > Re: [ ] RIFE > > Hi Jazzman, > I used a detox box for a year with little noticeable result (I was also on > antibiotics so it was hard to tell what was doing what plus the rife is not > that effective when on antibiotics). Then, in January, I got a GB4000 with > the amplifier (plus I quite antibiotics after 2.5 years). Rosner > lists this in his book on rife and I knew some people who swore by it. A > friend of mine in southern conn. has had lyme for 17 years, on and off IV > antibiotics and all sorts of herbs, etc. Well, she has been on the Gb4000 > for a couple of years and for a year, she has been feeling pretty much 100%. > She just tested negative for lyme through Igenix for the first time although > she still has some coinfection issues (minor) and is dealing with those. I > have made more progress since January than ever before. I've been sick for > about 6 years. It took about 2 before I has a diagnosed and started > treating. The first 2 years every doc thought it was CFS or adrenal fatigue > or all in my ! > head....SO WRONG! I use the preset groups of frequencies listed in the > book that came with the machine for lyme and coinfections plus I use > Rosner's book and run the recommended frequencies in there. I was going to > try the coil but I've never had consistent areas of pain (on and off in hips > and neck) and fatigue is my biggest issue so I wanted a machine that would > go through my whole body. My understanding of the coil is that it gets > pointed at and effects only a small area. > > Also, of note, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed over the past 6 months as > well so it could be a factor in my progress. I still have a very long way > to go to 'normal' but at least I'm not in bed all day anymore and feel > hopeful that maybe I'll be able to resume a life that includes some of the > things I always loved and have missed terribly these past years. I tell > people that I can't really do what I want yet but I can do many things that > I enjoy...not too bad. > > I hope this helps. > judyb > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Jay A. Rovert wrote: > > > Judy Blake, > > > > What type of Rife & what frequencies? > > How long have you been infected? > > I coiled for 2 years with no results except a better gut. > > Jazzman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > _____ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 If you don't react to one frequency, try another! I don't react, i think, to 432, which is supposed to be a lyme frequency, but i always react to 612, a very standard lyme frequency. -----purpleffoxglove ________________________________ From: <wilson33@...> Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 5:05:12 PM Subject: RE: [ ] RIFE Interesting Judy - I tried the GB4000 on both the Lyme pre-sets - 466 and 467 for the alloted 25 mins each. Didn't react at all. But when I use my borrowed coil (at 432 and sometimes 395 for ehrlichia), if I go too long, I really notice a difference!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Have you heard of the Meissner DP100? I have seen it help my wife and also a number of local friends who come over to use it. I have info on it and other protocols folks are using on my free lyme resource CD. www.lyme-resource.com You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > [ ] RIFE > > Judy Blake, > > What type of Rife & what frequencies? > How long have you been infected? > I coiled for 2 years with no results except a better gut. > Jazzman > Re: [ ] Re: Full Moon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone else experiences this with Lyme, (CFS & > >> > Fibro). > >> > During the full moon does your symptoms flare up more > than other days? > >> > > >> > This is the first month on my abx and this full moon my pains are > >> > awful, > >> > with headaches, shooting pains and restless legs. The > fatigue is just > >> > ridiculous. > >> > > >> > Before the full moon, before abx - I used to do some > things around > >> > the house > >> > maybe in the yard. But last two days I can barely get my > shower in. > >> > > >> > I was just wondering. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jeannie > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 You might want to ask this on the Lyme_Rife group (Lyme_Rife/) and see if anyone would rent or allow you to try their machine locally. We have a number of friends who use ours at no charge. Or if you like I can post a query there for you and ask them to email you. Just let me know what part of the country you are in. www.lyme-resource.com You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > [ ] Rife > > Speaking of Rife machines.........does anyone know if there > are machines you can rent? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Thank as coiling has not worked for me. Jazzman Re: [ ] Re: Full Moon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone else experiences this with Lyme, (CFS & > >> > Fibro). > >> > During the full moon does your symptoms flare up more > than other days? > >> > > >> > This is the first month on my abx and this full moon my pains are > >> > awful, > >> > with headaches, shooting pains and restless legs. The > fatigue is just > >> > ridiculous. > >> > > >> > Before the full moon, before abx - I used to do some > things around > >> > the house > >> > maybe in the yard. But last two days I can barely get my > shower in. > >> > > >> > I was just wondering. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jeannie > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Marji, There are several main types of " Rife " devices. These include the plasma type, the electrical current type, and the ultrasound type. There is no hocus-pocus or magic about any of these -- they are all standard physics. I do have my suspicions about the ways the " frequencies " are selected, there are far too many variables in the way these devices are designed, manufactured, and used, and I think far more is promised and expected than can be delivered. If any of these devices prove to have consistant merit, then there would be no problem gaining acceptance from scientists and clinicians. Currently this is not the case. Some devices incorporate radionics which makes them immediately suspect to a scientist. Then, with the plasma type for example, there is variation in choice of noble gases in the tube, tube pressure, differences in carrier wave, difference in frequency, wave form (sine, square, triangular, gated, etc.). Then there are differences in posology -- how often to use, what length of time for exposure, how close to the body. Then there is the question of electroporation and the effects of concurrent administration of other drugs. Could some of these devices damage healthy tissue? As with many other similar strategies which may be entangled with a belief system, how do you tease out placebo effects? I have seen people greatly benefit from the use of these devices and I have seen them sink. I have seen cases where I suspect the device encouraged the cancer to grow after showing some initial benefit. We have to be realists. The field is in utter chaos and many of the equipment providers are little more than hucksters and dreamers. I do think there is merit to doing research in this direction. Some of the small, independent researchers are smart and diligent. It is only a matter of time before the technologies settle on the best devices and the best ways to use them. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marjij Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Castor Oil Pack - Included with his ever-present hilarity, said: " I don't think it is possible to say something " resonates " without detecting some sort of resonance. " Question: Would you invalidate the effects of the Rife Machine? Marji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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