Niacin

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> Hey Bee and everyone,

>

> I got my supplements the other day and as I write, I am experiencing extreme

burning all over my head, arms, back and it's starting to move down my body a

little bit. lol I feel like my skin is on fire. What is the niacin doing to me?

I'm not really scared and am actually glad something is happening because I get

really discouraged when I hear of people detoxing or supps helping while I never

feel anything. So i'm taking it as a good sign that I am getting the flushing.

What benefit does the flushing give us?

>

++Hi . You probably started taking too much niacin, so cut back on the

amount so you do not get such a severe flush, and only gradually increase it.

Flushing means your body is getting rid of toxins, which are mainly radiation

(from the sun, x-rays, ultrasound and other similar medical devices, and from

microwaves or other electrical appliances, i.e. computers, TV, etc.). Here's the

Niacin article that explains the benefits of it:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/niacin.php

Bee

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> Hi Bee

> 1st time took niacin Flush yesterday , 1 capsule 500mg wow talk about

flush!!!!!! all over my body tingling /itching/ red etc ... what i would like

to say is the feelings i got ie tingling is a full blown version of the tingling

i have had for approx 7 months which is telling me that what i am going through

is basically a die off /withdrawal/healing of candida sugars etc etc . what do

you think !!!

+++Hi Lee. You got such a severe reaction because you took too much niacin,

which should only be 50 mgs, not 500 mg.

Bee

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> Hi Bee

> these are plastic capsules of 500mg so cannot breakdown , any ideas pls .

Hi Lee. Dump out the capsule into water and take it that way - it taste like

concentrated citrus.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

I'm just curious why you would think that niacin would be harmful to the liver.

It's a vitamin (B3) and is taken in low doses, so I can't see why it would be

harmful. It's also found naturally in many foods.

>

> Bee,

>

> Is niacin harmful to the liver if used long-term?

>

> Thanks,

> a

>

[Guest guest]

***I've heard a doctor who is into natural health state that long term use of

niacin is harmful to the liver and I also read it somewhere else recently. I

thought for sure Bee would have the answer.

***My " guess " is that they don't understand the whole detoxification process,

but I would like Bee's thoughts on it since she has so much

knowledge/experience.

> I'm just curious why you would think that niacin would be harmful to the

liver. It's a vitamin (B3) and is taken in low doses, so I can't see why it

would be harmful. It's also found naturally in many foods.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi r4bministry, what is your name please?

There is a slow release Niacin that is damaging to the liver.

Nan

>

> ***I've heard a doctor who is into natural health state that long term use of

niacin is harmful to the liver and I also read it somewhere else recently. I

thought for sure Bee would have the answer.

> ***My " guess " is that they don't understand the whole detoxification process,

but I would like Bee's thoughts on it since she has so much

knowledge/experience.

>

> > I'm just curious why you would think that niacin would be harmful to the

liver. It's a vitamin (B3) and is taken in low doses, so I can't see why it

would be harmful. It's also found naturally in many foods.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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> ***I've heard a doctor who is into natural health state that long term use of

niacin is harmful to the liver

This is an ambiguous statement.

I would imagine any supplement could get harmful depending on the dosage amount.

jackie

[Guest guest]

I am sending one link, although there are more, about the sustained release

niacin related to liver damage, in higher doses. Those higher doses are used to

lower cholesterol. Perhaps that was reason the natural health doctor mentioned

it. Bee does not want us to use that kind. It is usually more expensive.

http://cholesterol.emedtv.com/niacin/niacin-flush-p2.html

C.

>

> ***I've heard a doctor who is into natural health state that long term use of

niacin is harmful to the liver and I also read it somewhere else recently. I

thought for sure Bee would have the answer.

> ***My " guess " is that they don't understand the whole detoxification process,

but I would like Bee's thoughts on it since she has so much

knowledge/experience.

>

> > I'm just curious why you would think that niacin would be harmful to the

liver. It's a vitamin (B3) and is taken in low doses, so I can't see why it

would be harmful. It's also found naturally in many foods.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Most of these doctors do not know that the niacin must be flanked by

sufficient quantities of other vitamins, such as A & D, B1, B complex, C, E,

etc. If this is done, no bad effects should result. Unfortunately they don't

do this and create an " artificial deficiency " in one or more vitamins. This

could actually occur with any vitamin, not just niacin. E.g. give someone

too much B complex and B1 without any C and the person will seem to develop

scurvy.

Zack

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:55 AM, cindy_martian <cindy_martian@...>wrote:

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> I am sending one link, although there are more, about the sustained release

> niacin related to liver damage, in higher doses. Those higher doses are used

> to lower cholesterol. Perhaps that was reason the natural health doctor

> mentioned it. Bee does not want us to use that kind. It is usually more

> expensive.

>

> http://cholesterol.emedtv.com/niacin/niacin-flush-p2.html

>

> C.

>

> >

> > ***I've heard a doctor who is into natural health state that long term

> use of niacin is harmful to the liver and I also read it somewhere else

> recently. I thought for sure Bee would have the answer.

> > ***My " guess " is that they don't understand the whole detoxification

> process, but I would like Bee's thoughts on it since she has so much

> knowledge/experience.

> >

> > > I'm just curious why you would think that niacin would be harmful to

> the liver. It's a vitamin (B3) and is taken in low doses, so I can't see why

> it would be harmful. It's also found naturally in many foods.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

***Thanks to all responded. I suspected that they were referring to a form that

was by " prescription " which always is cause for concern.

***Thanks for reassuring me of the safety of flushing-niacin along with taking

sufficient amounts of other supplements.

***Im going to send that article to a friend who also questioned it.

***Thanks again!

>

> I am sending one link, although there are more, about the sustained release

niacin related to liver damage, in higher doses. Those higher doses are used to

lower cholesterol. Perhaps that was reason the natural health doctor mentioned

it. Bee does not want us to use that kind. It is usually more expensive.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Darlene,

Sometimes you will get a flush and sometimes you won't. Sometimes I get what

feels to be an 'internal flush' where I can feel tingling and blood vessels

opening in my eyes or ears, but no actual flush on my skin.

Don't be concerned if you or your son don't flush. The niacin is still doing

its job. There is no need to increase the dosage.

>

> My son and I just started taking niacin and both had a moderate flush the

first time we took it. Today we took it again and I had a very large flush,

clear down to the tops of my legs; but my son didn't get one at all. Why didn't

he flush? We are taking 50mg twice a day. Should his dosage be increased to

bring about a flush? I read that those dealing with high blood pressure can

increase to 400mg a day but wasn't sure what we should do.

> Thanks,

> Darlene

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My son and I just started taking niacin and both had a moderate flush the

first time we took it. Today we took it again and I had a very large flush,

clear down to the tops of my legs; but my son didn't get one at all. Why didn't

he flush? We are taking 50mg twice a day.

> Should his dosage be increased to bring about a flush? I read that those

dealing with high blood pressure can increase to 400mg a day but wasn't sure

what we should do.

+++Hi Darlene. I'm glad helped you with this, but I want you to know

that if niacin (B3) is increased to 400 mg per day it also means you'd have to

increase all of your other supplements along with it, so it isn't advisable.

Bee

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> Hello peeps,

>

> On the subject of Niacin, I just wanted to check that it is ok to take

Nutritional Yeast Flakes, and that they cover all the vitamin B requirements?

The brand that I have ordered is Now Foods.

>

+++Hi . Yes.

Bee

[Guest guest]

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> HI Bee and Group, On Saturday I will be going to Forida for 2 weeks and have

already place an order w/iHerb for supplements to be shipped to my sister's

home. I take niacin about 1 hour b4 bkfst because the flush is far out-I get

tomato like-kind of itchy and like to deal w/it b4 the kids wake up-while in FL

would it be ok to take niacin only sometimes as this is the one supplement that

shows my business too much-my sisters are not as welcoming to natural healing as

I have become and turning tomato like in front of them is maybe something I

don't want to deal with right now. is it ok to take the niacin only a couple of

x's over the 2 weeks-meanwhile keeping everything else the same?

++++Hi Phyllis. You could also lower the dose so your flush isn't as

noticeable. My friend has to take a granule of niacin because her flush is so

severe, and she is very slowly increasing it.

Bee

[Guest guest]

*** Hey Phyllis:

I have started taking niacin just before bed so my flush happens while I sleep.

Maybe this is an option for you?

Marissa

turning tomato like in front of them is maybe something I don't want to deal

with right now. is it ok to take the niacin only a couple of x's over the 2

weeks-meanwhile keeping everything else the same? Thanks,Phyllis

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phyllis,

For the first couple months of the cleanse, I wouldn't take niacin in the

morning for fear of reacting while I'm on the bus, so I only took it in the

evening but eventually I stopped flushing altogether so I take it at breakfast,

too. I made the mistake once of taking it BEFORE my meal. Do you notice a

difference if you take it after a meal? Also, I prevent mine from dissolving on

the tongue by taking some water in my mouth, throwing the half-tablet in and

swalllowing/more water.

Hope that helps. Sorry your family is not supportive.

>

> *** Hey Phyllis:

>

> I have started taking niacin just before bed so my flush happens while I

sleep. Maybe this is an option for you?

>

> Marissa

>

>

> turning tomato like in front of them is maybe something I don't want to deal

with right now. is it ok to take the niacin only a couple of x's over the 2

weeks-meanwhile keeping everything else the same? Thanks,Phyllis

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> Is it okay to take more niacin than the recommended 50mg twice daily. I have

been reading L Ron Hubbard and alot of other good sources about taking high

niacin doses. Would this be helpful in the short run/long run or should I stay

away from high doses. Im thinking maybe just in the short run as an extra way to

detox, but Ive read 3 grams can be successful in treating

depression/schizophrenia etc..... Look forward to your reply.

+++Hi Tony. Welcome to our group.

I am very familiar with L. Ron Hubbard's Purification Program since I did it in

1983.

You " can " take higher doses of niacin, but as Ron writes in his book Clear Mind,

Clear Body, if you take more than 400 mg per day you " have to " increase the

amount of many other supplements, so that isn't a good idea to do while you are

on this program.

However, there are numerous ways that my program detoxifies and also helps

depression - see these articles:

How to Detoxify Effectively:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

Anxiety & Depression, Help For:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat6.php

Please ensure you read two important articles, so you understand candida, and

know what you need to do and why:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for you quick reply bee. 

Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:11 PM

>

> Bee,

> Is it okay to take more niacin than the recommended 50mg twice daily. I have

been reading L Ron Hubbard and alot of other good sources about taking high

niacin doses. Would this be helpful in the short run/long run or should I stay

away from high doses. Im thinking maybe just in the short run as an extra way to

detox, but Ive read 3 grams can be successful in treating depression/schizoph

renia etc..... Look forward to your reply.

+++Hi Tony. Welcome to our group.

I am very familiar with L. Ron Hubbard's Purification Program since I did it in

1983.

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[Guest guest]

Well, let me share my experience. :-)

I bought some niacin yesterday at whole foods. They only had the 1000mg dose.

I figured what the heck I'll take it and see how it goes.

Well......I turned bright red for 3 hours. It felt like I had a bad sunburn all

over my whole body. I even felt cold even though my skin was hot just like when

you get a bad sunburn. Interestingly it showed my bikini lines and I haven't

worn a bikini in the sun for probably 15 years! My heart was pounding

too..which scared me a little bit.

I also didn't sleep at all last night which I assume was because of all the

toxins this released into my body.....the same 'ol insomnia that has plagued me

for years.

Thus, I will be looking online today for niacin 50mg!!!!!

Carole

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> Is it okay to take more niacin than the recommended 50mg twice daily.

[Guest guest]

Carole - oh my goodness!! Wow! I feel that way (including a little scared)

on the 50mg sometimes. Though the severe part only lasts about 15-45

minutes. But...wow!!!

Marla

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, midwesternbred <luvmutts@...>wrote:

> Well, let me share my experience. :-)

> I bought some niacin yesterday at whole foods. They only had the 1000mg

> dose.

> I figured what the heck I'll take it and see how it goes.

> Well......I turned bright red for 3 hours. It felt like I had a bad

> sunburn all over my whole body. I even felt cold even though my skin was

> hot just like when you get a bad sunburn. Interestingly it showed my

> bikini lines and I haven't worn a bikini in the sun for probably 15 years!

> My heart was pounding too..which scared me a little bit.

> I also didn't sleep at all last night which I assume was because of all the

> toxins this released into my body.....the same 'ol insomnia that has plagued

> me for years.

> Thus, I will be looking online today for niacin 50mg!!!!!

> Carole

>

[Guest guest]

Carole,

when i first started taking my nutrional yeast my 5 yr old daughter would ask me

" why is my face so red? " i did not even realize it was red but that expalined

why i was feeling hot...lol

The flush the more i take the nutrional yeast is getting less severe the more i

take it. I guess because the toxins are getting released.

April

>

> Well, let me share my experience. :-)

> I bought some niacin yesterday at whole foods. They only had the 1000mg dose.

> I figured what the heck I'll take it and see how it goes.

> Well......I turned bright red for 3 hours. It felt like I had a bad sunburn

all over my whole body. I even felt cold even though my skin was hot just like

when you get a bad sunburn. Interestingly it showed my bikini lines and I

haven't worn a bikini in the sun for probably 15 years! My heart was pounding

too..which scared me a little bit.

> I also didn't sleep at all last night which I assume was because of all the

toxins this released into my body.....the same 'ol insomnia that has plagued me

for years.

> Thus, I will be looking online today for niacin 50mg!!!!!

> Carole

> ********************************************

> > Is it okay to take more niacin than the recommended 50mg twice daily.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Well, let me share my experience. :-)

> I bought some niacin yesterday at whole foods. They only had the 1000mg dose.

> I figured what the heck I'll take it and see how it goes.

> Well......I turned bright red for 3 hours. It felt like I had a bad sunburn

all over my whole body. I even felt cold even though my skin was hot just like

when you get a bad sunburn. Interestingly it showed my bikini lines and I

haven't worn a bikini in the sun for probably 15 years! My heart was pounding

too..which scared me a little bit.

> I also didn't sleep at all last night which I assume was because of all the

toxins this released into my body.....the same 'ol insomnia that has plagued me

for years.

> Thus, I will be looking online today for niacin 50mg!!!!!

+++Wow Carole. You really did a number on yourself! Yes, you were detoxifying

big time!

You can cut up the 1,000 mg tablet (like take a small chip of it ?).

When I did the Hubbard Purification Program in 1983 every one of my bathing

suits showed up on my skin, so I know what that's like.

But the amount of the niacin was slowly increased and carefully regulated, and

when we took more than 400 mg we had to increase other supplements too.

But don't be concerned just taking it this one time.

Here's to detoxing the hard way!

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

You are entirely welcome.

Tony, may I please ask you to " trim your messages? " You're new, but if you

check the emails you received when you joined this group, there is one that

gives instructions, along with others on Rules, Guideslines, etc.

Otherwise, see the Messages posted on our Group today, which explains how to

trim messages.

Thanks a bunch, Bee

>

> Thanks so much for you quick reply bee. 

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> With the nutritional yeast flakes im taking there is about 50mg niacin per 2

tablespoons. If I'm taking 2 tablespoons per day do I still need to take extra

niacin? and if so how much? 50mg twice a day? Thanks for all your help Bee, I'm

loving the bee drink and diet. I have a few of the recommended supplements and

the rest are on the way. Im planning on staying on this program as long as it

takes to regain my help and vigor!!!

+++Hi Tony. Most people do take extra niacin in addition to the Nutritional

Yeast Flakes, and that's okay.

That's great you love the egg drink. I have it every day too.

I'm happy you are committed to this program Tony. Good for you!

Also remember that life-long health is dependent upon getting " proper nutrients "

(and eliminating toxins and damaging foods of course) according to the

principles of this program.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> I have access to a great source of grass fed liver and am wondering how many

times a week I should eat it in order to keep taking niacin? I take 200 mg

niacin twice daily. I used to take nutritional yeast flakes daily and have run

out but now that I have access to the liver I would like to eat it as the raw

liver drink described on your site instead of ordering more of the yeast. I

dont want to incur any imbalances is why I ask the question of how often I

should eat it and if eating the liver will help as much as the nutritional yeast

flakes...

+++Hi Tony. You couldn't get enough B vitamins consuming the Raw Liver Drink

even once a day, since it only contains 1/2 to 1 ounce of liver.

1 ounce equals 28 grams, and 100 grams of beef liver contains:

..23 mg B1 (thiamine)

3.32 mg B2 (riboflavin)

13.5 mg B3 (niacin)

7.2 mg panthothenic acid

1.1 mg B6 (pyridoxine)

I think you should take nutritional yeast flakes or Vitamin B complex

consistently every day instead of trying to substitute with raw liver, or even

by eating liver.

I wil remove Raw Liver from the supplements list.

Bee