Niacin

[Guest guest]

Actually I have heard that in Roman days, to cure iron deficiency they would

drink water that rusty swords had been put into.. :>)Louise

From: algaelady1 <carol@...>

Subject: Re: Niacin

candidiasis

Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 8:35 AM

I guess I just don't understand how you can get nutrition from a rock.  That's

like sucking on a nail to get your iron.  It doesn't work.

Plants get their nutrition from the earth, from the rock dust, from the

microbes, sun, air, etc. (read " Bread from Stones " ).  We in turn eat the plants

to get the nutrients that are locked up in the stones that we can't digest. 

Many minerals aren't even absorbed into the body unless they go through

photosynthesis first. 

Carol

> Sorry, Carol, the 70+ Minerals are not isolated minerals mixed into a

concoction. They are steam/hot water extracted from pre-historic shale.

>  Wil Spencer  VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

> www.bodyelectrician.com

>>

> ________________________________

> From: algaelady1 <carol@...>

> Subject: Re: Niacin

I realize a lot of food is devoid of vitamins/minerals because of where it is

grown and not being organic, so I'm lucky I guess that I found a product that

fills in the gaps naturally, instead of all these isolated ingredients.

> Carol

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, I guess I'm still very confused. All the sites I'm checking say that

shale is a type of rock -

http://geology.com/rocks/shale.shtml

Carol

> I guess I should explain what shale is.

Shale is not rocks.

[Guest guest]

type of and are, are apparently two dif things.. also, the SOURCE of the " rock "

would be key, here, I think.. Wil says his shale is predigested plants & animal

matter...Louise

From: algaelady1 <carol@...>

Subject: Re: Niacin

candidiasis

Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 AM

Sorry, I guess I'm still very confused.  All the sites I'm checking say that

shale is a type of rock -

http://geology.com/rocks/shale.shtml

Carol

> I guess I should explain what shale is.

Shale is not rocks. 

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[Guest guest]

Ahh! that's it Carol, you have no idea what Hubbard's protocol was -

Probably a good idea to leave it just there?......

I did Hubbard's, " Purification Rundown " in the late 70's, Niacin, on a

steadily increasing dose, was a major part of it but there was a lot more to

it than that. there were people on that rundown who were REALLY detoxing,

long before the trend driven women's diet magazines had ever heard of the

term.

I personally got excellent gains from it and I saw other people who did

even better than me.

That protocol was way ahead of it's time!

Ed

In a message dated 18/01/2011 16:39:38 GMT Standard Time,

louise_everet93@... writes:

I have no idea what L. Ron Hubbard's protocol is. What is it? Although I

have no idea why anyone would follow whatever his protocol is, because he

was a sociopath and a drug-addict and lived to be only 75. (Or maybe he

didn't die, maybe he just went to Venus)

[Guest guest]

Re: detoxing.. I am having great gains from the MMS/AOT been on for only 1.5

weeks.. AMAZING results..Louise

From: g0aqi@... <g0aqi@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Niacin

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:31 PM

Ahh! that's it Carol, you have no idea what Hubbard's protocol was - 

Probably a good idea to leave it just there?......

I did Hubbard's, " Purification Rundown " in the late 70's, Niacin, on a 

steadily increasing dose, was a major part of it but there was a lot  more to

it than that. there were people on that rundown who were REALLY  detoxing,

long before the trend driven women's diet magazines had ever  heard of the

term.

I personally got excellent gains from it and I saw other people who  did

even better than me.

That protocol was way ahead of it's time!

Ed

In a message dated 18/01/2011 16:39:38 GMT Standard Time, 

louise_everet93@... writes:

I have  no idea what L. Ron Hubbard's protocol is.  What is it?  Although I

have no idea why anyone would follow whatever his protocol is, because he

was  a sociopath and a drug-addict and lived to be only 75.  (Or maybe he 

didn't die, maybe he just went to  Venus)

[Guest guest]

That book was just too much for me to read. It made my head feel like

gobble-degook. Can you tell more about the niacin and detoxing? You can

email me privately if you wish. Thanks, Sylvia

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:31 PM, <g0aqi@...> wrote:

> Ahh! that's it Carol, you have no idea what Hubbard's protocol was -

> Probably a good idea to leave it just there?......

>

> I did Hubbard's, " Purification Rundown " in the late 70's, Niacin, on a

> steadily increasing dose, was a major part of it but there was a lot more

> to

> it than that. there were people on that rundown who were REALLY detoxing,

> long before the trend driven women's diet magazines had ever heard of the

> term.

> I personally got excellent gains from it and I saw other people who did

> even better than me.

>

> That protocol was way ahead of it's time!

>

> Ed

>

>

> In a message dated 18/01/2011 16:39:38 GMT Standard Time,

> louise_everet93@... writes:

>

> I have no idea what L. Ron Hubbard's protocol is. What is it? Although I

> have no idea why anyone would follow whatever his protocol is, because he

> was a sociopath and a drug-addict and lived to be only 75. (Or maybe he

> didn't die, maybe he just went to Venus)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess I should restate my comment regarding shale. It is called humic shale

ore.

What is Humic Shale?

Humic shale ore is the result of Mother Nature's own incubation. 70

million years ago, Earth's fertile, mineral-rich soils produced

wholesome, succulent wild fruits and vegetables and lush green

forests. This was an era when, supposedly, the soils near the

earth's crust contained at least 84 minerals. The numerous mineral

elements available at the time may explain why a tree grew 10 feet

in height its first year, or why the plant-eating brontosaurus

reached a body weight of 70,000 pounds yet had a mouth no larger

than a horse. According to science, all life at that time, whether

plant or animal was extremely healthy and it is assumed that this

was a direct result of the plants' ability to extract at least 77

mineral from the soil. (This is a far cry from the number of

minerals available from the average soil throughout the world

today.)

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: algaelady1 <carol@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 10:11:08 AM

Subject: Re: Niacin

Sorry, I guess I'm still very confused. All the sites I'm checking say that

shale is a type of rock -

http://geology.com/rocks/shale.shtml

Carol

> I guess I should explain what shale is.

Shale is not rocks.

[Guest guest]

Friends

I believe nearly all if not all diseases and ailments such as joint

pain are caused by some deficiency. I saw this first hand as a young

adult when I captured three baby crows. I got tired of hunting worms

for their endless hunger and started feeding them bread and milk. All

three ended up with beriberi! because of my ignorance.

I am hot on the trail of Niacin and am already doing LET-C as you

know. I don't know if you belong to the DIY-LET group or not but I

have learned quite a bit there and the folks there seem nice and

helpful. I am going to start playing around with the LET-B vitamins

next.

I noticed in this article that Niacin even affects serotonin a

deficiency I have suffered with my entire life, causing depression at

times that practically incapacitated me. I would drag myself to work,

fake it till I made it in the business world, then go home and

contemplate suicide.

I believe we are pioneers in healing the human body. There is no

difference between acute schizophrenia and the behavior of the current

world population. This could be largely caused by toxins and dietary

deficiencies. If everyone on this planet were born with two heads, no

one would think anything of it. Likewise if everyone is walking around

operating at 20% capacity, we all think this is normal. A fish never

know it's wet until a bear snags it out of the river and it sees

another world. Could be we are like those fish.

In the scriptures we have genealogies of people who lived over 1000

years, what happened?

I now think of my body as my personal chemistry set. I can tell you

from personal experience that you can do all of the mental gymnastics

you want and they may help a little if you are seriously depressed but

at the end of the day you still feel like crap.

It is one of my goals in life to heal myself, offer informational help

to anyone else who needs and wants it, for free as much as I can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin#Food_sources

Natural health

Through Natural means

Is a Divine Right.

Bell Buckle, Tn.

[Guest guest]

Yes, DIY-LET is the place. I believe it means Do it

yourself, Liposomal encapsulation technology. Nice group of people. I

have been able to get up to 10,000 mgs vit c without diarrhea! Going

to try to do the same with niacin B3, and B12 for depression.

On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:54 AM, BW wrote:

> What is the DIY-LET stand for and is that the name I look up if I

> want to

> check them out?

>

> Thanks

> Bonnie

> AZ

[Guest guest]

Hi

Niacin is good for overmethylated (low histamine) group of people according to

Carl Pfeiffer's work.

They have another group called under methylated/high histamine and niacin is not

good for this type of people.

They also have another main group which is named as pyroluria.

May I suggest you to make a Google search on Pfeiffer OR Walsh for more

information on this. Don't overdo with B3 if it does not help you.

Best wishes

nil

Re: [ ] Niacin

Yes, DIY-LET is the place. I believe it means Do it

yourself, Liposomal encapsulation technology. Nice group of people. I

have been able to get up to 10,000 mgs vit c without diarrhea! Going

to try to do the same with niacin B3, and B12 for depression.

[Guest guest]

How do you know if you are low histamine or high?

Thanks, Robyn

________________________________

From: nil <cindiwonderer@...>

Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011

Hi

Niacin is good for overmethylated (low histamine) group of people according to

Carl Pfeiffer's work.

They have another group called under methylated/high histamine and niacin is not

good for this type of people.

They also have another main group which is named as pyroluria.

May I suggest you to make a Google search on Pfeiffer OR Walsh for more

information on this. Don't overdo with B3 if it does not help you.

Best wishes

nil

[Guest guest]

Nili

I still suffer with depression sometimes, Large doses of liposomal Vit-

c help but next I am going to experiment with Vit B3 & B12.

Natural health

Through Natural means

Is a Divine Right.

Bell Buckle, Tn.

[Guest guest]

b vitamins are good. There is somekind of yeast full of bs. 5 htp is a good

antidepressent.

________________________________

From: Snoddy <eashua444@...>

Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011

Nili

I still suffer with depression sometimes, Large doses of liposomal Vit-

c help but next I am going to experiment with Vit B3 & B12.

[Guest guest]

Its nutritional yeast flakes. Widely available.

_________________________

From: robyn howell

b vitamins are good. There is somekind of yeast full of bs. 5 htp is a good

antidepressent.

________________________________

From: Snoddy <eashua444@...>

Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011

Nili

I still suffer with depression sometimes, Large doses of liposomal Vit-

c help but next I am going to experiment with Vit B3 & B12.

[Guest guest]

If your depression gets worse during winter it could be due to serotonin

deficiency and 5-htp may help with that.

best wishes

nil

From: robyn howell

Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011

b vitamins are good. There is somekind of yeast full of bs. 5 htp is a good

antidepressent.

[Guest guest]

Brewer's yeast is full of B vitamins.

[Guest guest]

I expect you may get some results with zinc, selenium and magnesium. All

are important for optimal health and they do good things for me.

Zinc deficiency is widespread in cancer patients, but also many other

people, which leads to elevated copper levels. Copper is something that

helps blood vessels grow and so contributes to angiogenesis.

About 50-100 mg zinc citrate per day for example may be necessary to get

levels up enough. Do a blood test for zinc and copper to confirm the

results of your supplementation.

>

> Nili

>

> I still suffer with depression sometimes, Large doses of liposomal

Vit-

> c help but next I am going to experiment with Vit B3 & B12.

[Guest guest]

Mike

Thanks for the neat book! I just read a little of it, think I'm going

to like it. If anyone needs psychic protection, it's me! Especially

at night while I sleep. Each morning I have to do a mental tune up to

shake off the bad energy of the dreams I have. I go places and often

encounter dark energies and fight with them. I usually kill them or

overcome them with much struggle and torment. A former wife used to

joke with me that it didn't seem right that in my dreams I always win.

LOL She said it just wasn't right she thought because in her dreams

she always lost.

I'm shaking off a big one right now, just got up. I've been this way

pretty much all of my life. I am extremely psychic and while it helped

me quickly diagnose equipment in the electronics world of deep ocean

drilling I had to usually pay a dear price at night while I slept. I

am now 61 and there have been years of dreamless sweet sleep but

during much of my career I always had to set my alarm clock two hours

early so I could get up and comb my mind before going into work.

Four months ago a traumatic and tragic event took place in my life and

the nightmares are now back in full force, so much so that I dread

going to bed at night and will sometimes stay up till 4am playing

darts with myself, since I live alone. I am not posting this to get

sympathy. In fact I don't want that. I have also been defeating cancer

for two full years when Doctors told me I would not live 6 months.

Now, 302 colonic irrigations w/ozone later I am gardening in my

backyard in my new cottage in the country in Tn. I am getting ready to

have a hair analysis done which reminds me. Can anyone here recommend

a RELIABLE mail off hair analysis company? I have had them done before

many years ago and my intuition tells me it is time again. Especially

considering all of the colonics I have done. I am now down to about

two colonics per week and I feel like I am in a new physical body. I

had no pain whatsoever in my body but now after eating 20 gallons of

death by chocolate ice-cream and 30 hershey's bars I am racked with

joint pain.

I am sure the sugar which I normally do not eat depleted me of calcium

so I am going to load up on good old Dr. Wallach's Ostero-FX calcium

supplement and get back on schedule with my vitamin and mineral

replacement program. One of my favorite sayings is that " if you are

dumb, you suffer " . LOL

My Niacin B3 & B12 should arrive today so I am going to start

encapsulating that also as well as the 8000 mgs LET-Vit-c I am now

doing. I don't actually get the entire 8000 mg down each day but I

try, bowel tolerance issues and just plain old laziness.

Thank you once again for the book!

________________________________________________

On Apr 3, 2011, at 3:51 PM, mike goldberg wrote:

> Hi :

>

> Vitamins and trace minerals and a diet rich in fresh vegetables and

> fruit are

> important ( along with getting rid of junk and processed foods).

> Exercise,

> hydration and deep breathing are important. I believe that

> depression starts as

> a problem with the energy body, and that one needs to heal the

> energy body along

> with the physical body to get rid of it. Please also see my FREE

> book The Road

> to Happiness at www.theroad2happiness.com or the Facebook Page The

> Road to

> Happiness. It discusses energy body healing through Reiki and other

> modalities

> aand provides specific healing techniques including specific

> meditation,

> visualization, deep breathing and spiritual exercises, etc.

>

> Peace and Love,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I have found that focusing on a blank page, blank canvas if you are more

artistic, but a blank something before bed really helps. It also helps

during anxiety attacks for those who are psychic.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 4/4/2011 12:48 PM, Snoddy wrote:

> Mike

>

> Thanks for the neat book! I just read a little of it, think I'm going

> to like it. If anyone needs psychic protection, it's me! Especially

> at night while I sleep. Each morning I have to do a mental tune up to

> shake off the bad energy of the dreams I have. I go places and often

> encounter dark energies and fight with them. I usually kill them or

> overcome them with much struggle and torment. A former wife used to

> joke with me that it didn't seem right that in my dreams I always win.

> LOL She said it just wasn't right she thought because in her dreams

> she always lost.

>

[Guest guest]

It is nutritional yeast, available on line or at most health food stores, or

even bulk food stores. Cheap and tasty. Can be added to salads, smoothies, soup,

etc.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for your e-mail. It's my pleasure. You may be empathic. In that case, you

could easily be picking up negative energy from the outside. This energy often

compels nightmares. No worries. Try to forget about them and do the meditations

and white light visualizations. Positive energy is stronger than negative energy

over time.

All the Best,

Mike

[Guest guest]

I meant I don't take 500mg every single day. I take less daily, but have

taken 500 this morning and some other days for symptoms, but if the symptoms

don't get better or return, can I take another 500 later in the day? Thank

You.

April

[Guest guest]

Hi April,

Bee doesn't usually recommend taking extra vitamin, but perhaps she will see

this message and tell you if you should temporarily increase your Niacin.

Group Moderator

>

> Hi I corrected my message on another email.

> But I thought it was ok to take extra with certain symptoms.

> April

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi I corrected my message on another email.

> But I thought it was ok to take extra with certain symptoms.

> April

*** Hi April

Bee states:

" Also no more than 400 mg of niacin per day should be taken without supervision,

since higher amounts means many other supplements also must be increased at the

same time.

" Niacin should always be taken with vitamin B complex "

in this article:

<http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/niacin.php>

Perhaps she will have more to say in the morning...

moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> I meant I don't take 500mg every single day. I take less daily, but have

> taken 500 this morning and some other days for symptoms, but if the symptoms

> don't get better or return, can I take another 500 later in the day?

+++Hi April,

Like wrote do not take more than 50 mg two times a day since it is

totally unnecessary and " more is not better. "

Do not take extra niacin as a treatment for anything. All of your symptoms and

reactions are because your body is healing and detoxifying itself as it should

which is the only way for it to get healthy since it must reverse the dis-ease

processes.

Bee