Re: breast cancer-Prostate

[Guest guest]

Ray, you mention the PSA number of 4. Was that when Cancer was discovered?

How did they determine there was cancer? If they did a biopsy, what was the

Gleason score.

I don't think too many people on this list will argue with you about the value

of good diet but if someone is already eating reasonably well, diet is not going

to be enough to stop a serious cancer and by serious, I do not mean such as my

bladder situation or, from what it seems, your prostate. I am speaking to

stage III and IV cancers and some that have already Metastasized.

I myself do not use the word 'cure' in the sense of an actual cure but use it

because this is the term Conventional Medicine and some Alternatives prefer.

Cancer is a lot more difficult, depending upon circumstances, than simply giving

up sugar and eating better while popping handsful of vitamins. Perhaps when in

the deep throes of dealing with an aggressive cancer, avoiding a lot of fruit

would probably be better, then again regardless of what some say, sugars are

different just as a Candy Bar is not the same as an apple. There are

fruitarians just as there are vegetarians and herbivores along with Omnivores

that eat everything. The graveyards are filled with all types, non-smokers

and smokers, candy-eaters and non-candy eaters-vegetarians and big-time

meat-eaters.

Simplistic answers are not simplistic at all because they do not hold water

and are not the answer. I strongly suggest that if one were to find out they

were Stage IV with Mets to organs and bones, they need to do a lot more than

stop all sugars, which is a good start by the way, and a lot more than pump in a

lot of vitamins.

Just recently, on The LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) list, a person wrote, " all you

have to do is take LDN " ..............That statement couldn't be left alone and I

got in a sort of battle and the person deviated from that stand but never

withdrew it. We have to try to stop people from that " all you have to do

nonsense " when dealing with cancer. Even tried and true Alternative methods

might not be " all you have to do " . There's always enough truth in someone's

stand but that doesn't mean we have to buy the entire premise. Many on this

list do not need my kind of ranting but what about the new person? What about

the person seeking answers to a fast-growing cancer? By all means, improve the

diet immediately but what if there isn't enough time? What if dramatic

measures must be taken? Stop the sugar? Eat salad and pop vitamins? There

is no room for " always " , " all the time " and " this

works " ..................without qualifying those words with 'sometimes'.

An almost doctrinal phrase is: 'Nothing works for all people all the time " .

This list is a valuable tool and we need to keep it that way and a tool can be

used or abused. It's up to the craftsman.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

Just wanted to drop you a quick email to let you know that not only do I

agree with what you are saying here, but that I also appreciate the time

you take on this mailing list / group. You are a very welcome

voice of reason, with obvious depth of knowledge and experience - and

you do it in a gracious way.

Kind regards,

Nick

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 jcastron1@... wrote:

> I don't think too many people on this list will argue with you about

> the value of good diet but if someone is already eating reasonably

> well, diet is not going to be enough to stop a serious cancer and by

> serious, I do not mean such as my bladder situation or, from what it

> seems, your prostate. I am speaking to stage III and IV cancers and

> some that have already Metastasized.

>

> I myself do not use the word 'cure' in the sense of an actual cure but

> use it because this is the term Conventional Medicine and some

> Alternatives prefer.

>

> Cancer is a lot more difficult, depending upon circumstances, than

> simply giving up sugar and eating better while popping handsful of

> vitamins. Perhaps when in the deep throes of dealing with an

> aggressive cancer, avoiding a lot of fruit would probably be better,

> then again regardless of what some say, sugars are different just as a

> Candy Bar is not the same as an apple. There are fruitarians just as

> there are vegetarians and herbivores along with Omnivores that eat

> everything. The graveyards are filled with all types, non-smokers and

> smokers, candy-eaters and non-candy eaters-vegetarians and big-time

> meat-eaters.

>

> Simplistic answers are not simplistic at all because they do not

> hold water and are not the answer. I strongly suggest that if one

> were to find out they were Stage IV with Mets to organs and bones,

> they need to do a lot more than stop all sugars, which is a good start

> by the way, and a lot more than pump in a lot of vitamins.

>

> Just recently, on The LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) list, a person wrote,

> " all you have to do is take LDN " ..............That statement couldn't

> be left alone and I got in a sort of battle and the person deviated

> from that stand but never withdrew it. We have to try to stop people

> from that " all you have to do nonsense " when dealing with cancer.

> Even tried and true Alternative methods might not be " all you have to

> do " . There's always enough truth in someone's stand but that doesn't

> mean we have to buy the entire premise. Many on this list do not need

> my kind of ranting but what about the new person? What about the

> person seeking answers to a fast-growing cancer? By all means,

> improve the diet immediately but what if there isn't enough time?

> What if dramatic measures must be taken? Stop the sugar? Eat salad

> and pop vitamins? There is no room for " always " , " all the time " and

> " this works " ..................without qualifying those words with

> 'sometimes'.

>

> An almost doctrinal phrase is: 'Nothing works for all people all the

> time " . This list is a valuable tool and we need to keep it that way

> and a tool can be used or abused. It's up to the craftsman.

>

> Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Nick. It's always good to get kind words and be assured there were

times I wrote a lot more heavily but I do eventually learn and I've copied from

better writers. We need to be gracious but to a point. We cannot afford

mis-information going to the list and most of us can avoid that by using

different words. Instead of

saying, " this will help " , one can say almost the same thing and be more accurate

saying, " this can help " or " has helped some " and I think you get the point.

We can say, " I have heard " or " I have read " and since most of us only have

limited personal knowledge that is the best we can do.

My problem is the fingers are quicker than the brain........ha ha... and

anything is possible when I write.

Joe C.

There are people on this list with great knowledge and a lot of sincerity,

people such as Leonard whom can be counted on to add much needed information.

Then there are practitioners that work with people with cancer and one of my

favorites currently dealing with his own personal issue and whom we want to hear

from again........and soon. There is another factor...........age and not that

age brings wisdom, but age gives us the experience of making lots of mistakes

and watching others not make them. That's whom to learn from. Just keep

reading and learning along with the rest of us. I do a lot of computing and

during breaks........jump on the list.......stick my nose in and jump out again.

Now it's time for sleep but first a bit of reading. See you all tomorrow.