MMS

[Guest guest]

As Dr. Pessman points out, MMS is chlorine-based, and chlorine is

well-known to be a toxin and carcinogen at the cellular level. Many

people, myself included will not consider this product, and considering it

a " supplement " requires a huge leap of faith.

Duncan

>

> Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for getting

rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking forward

to its arrival.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have no doubt that some cases of supposed " die-off " or " Herx " arise

from the toxic effects of some treatments, and that some people poison

or hurt themselves a bit trying for that Herx effect.

Duncan

>

> > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for getting

rid

> > of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking forward

to its

> > arrival.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Duncan, I'm interested in your opinion on this. Chlorine is Cl, and MMS is

chlorine dioxide, ClO2. Surely you're not saying that any molecule with Cl

in it is bad (eg. NaCl, table salt)?

Alan

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> As Dr. Pessman points out, MMS is chlorine-based, and chlorine is

> well-known to be a toxin and carcinogen at the cellular level. Many

> people, myself included will not consider this product, and considering it

> a " supplement " requires a huge leap of faith.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for getting

> rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking forward

> to its arrival.

> >

>

--

Alan

[Guest guest]

I tried it for about a month and a half. Felt awful. Started getting

pronounced dark circles under my eyes which took a long time to get

rid of, still kind of have some. Now the slightest smell of chlorine

makes me nauseous. Just my experience.

greg

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for getting

> > rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking forward

> > to its arrival.

> > >

> >

>

>

> --

> Alan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is important to know whether you are fighting a positively charged

critter (typically viruses) or a negatively charged critter (typically

bacteria). However, this is not always the case, I'm sure there are

negative viruses and positive bacteria. I'm not sure where protozoa

(perhaps positive - e.g. Malaria which is fought with MMS) or fungi

(perhaps positive since cancer is a fungus and acidic) sit on the pH

scales. Our pH generally sits in the middle and slightly alkaline

(7.4-7.6) so that we can swing in either direction to fight whatever

may be attacking us. Seems like being alkaline fights off 3 of the 4.

Now, Chlorine Dioxide is very negatively charged (-5) and is good for

fighting positive bugs (virusus, protozoa, & fungi). On the other

hand Zinc and Colloidal Silver are positively charged (+1) and are

good for fighting negative bugs (bacteria). Mix the two together and

you get a nice Silver Chloride or Zinc Chloride precipitate which does

nothing except be discarded as waste. Thus, you do not want to mix

these two protocols. MMS is said to remove heavy metals from the

system and this would explain how it does it.

If you are fighting both a virus and a bacteria then you have a tough

battle. Go alkaline and take an antibiotic, but recharge in order to

avoid Candidiasis.

I too did Chlorine Dioxide for about a month and got up to about 8

drops. I never got over the hump and yes, the smell of chlorine today

makes me want to vomit. For those doing it, I would recommend no more

than 4-5 drops per dose and do multiple doses if needed in order to

get it down. Also, when activating MMS make sure the room is well

ventilated as you are making poisonous Chlorine gas. Do not stick

your nose in the glass and inhale.

Cheers,

Brad

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM, dreaminginnoother

<dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

> I tried it for about a month and a half. Felt awful. Started getting

> pronounced dark circles under my eyes which took a long time to get

> rid of, still kind of have some. Now the slightest smell of chlorine

> makes me nauseous. Just my experience.

>

> greg

>

>

>> > >

>> > > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for getting

>> > rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking forward

>> > to its arrival.

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

>> --

>> Alan

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Alan, when the MMS releases an oxygen molecule it also releases a

chlorine IN THE CELL. Chlorine is unusual in cells, hard to get rid of,

and is proven to cause cancer.

This has no bearing on whether other chlorine compounds in the body

are under control or not; much of the time they are of course, but when

they aren't you are incurring some degree of damage and risk.

Confer with international oxygen/ozone guru Dr. Saul Pressman,

moderator of ozonetherapy and oxyplus groups for his qualified

opinion too

Duncan

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for

getting

> > rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking

forward

> > to its arrival.

> > >

> >

>

>

> --

> Alan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Brad when I investigated MMS I failed to find any data to back up the

claim that it chelates metals. Indeed, research has named glutathione

as that molecule.

Duncan

> >> > >

> >> > > Has anyone here ever tried mms? I hear that it is great for

getting

> >> > rid of candida overgrowth. I've ordered some and am looking

forward

> >> > to its arrival.

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Alan

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I'd still try this over chemo any day if I had cancer.

There are far more dangerous things we ingest in our world of pollutants in the

air, water and soil. ie: chemtrails, mercury, fluoride, etc.

[Guest guest]

CSilver got mine but it took as long as it takes to grow out all new nails.

to really get it you gotta get it systemically, topically isn't good enough

alone. that's why the drugstore ptions don't work.

CS+DMSO will penetrate the nails and get into the bed, which is great. keep

that up while growing new nails, drinking it also and you'll eventually have

pretty pink odorless toes and feet like mine. spray shoes, socks, slippers

with CS too.

MMS is too problematic. harsh stuff. save it for the pandemic or other

serious things where it just might save your life.

hey, how about trimming posts??????

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of john magal

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:02 PM

Subject: MMS

Brad

Can MMS+DMSO kill foot nail fungus?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have no clue, but I'm sure curezone.com has some info on it. I

was under the impression though that nail fungus indicates internal

fungus like candida. You probably have a lot of cleaning out to do -

www.curezone.com/cleanse

Good luck,

Brad

On 8/3/09, john magal <johnmagal@...> wrote:

> Brad

>

> Can MMS+DMSO kill foot nail fungus?

>

>

>

> Ah,

>   Thank you for the clarification, for viuses, fungus, and protozoa,

> which are typically positively charged or acidic, I really like MMS

> which is a great oxidizer.  You can mix it with DMSO and apply it

> topically to send it right to the source. Many melanomas have

> disappeared this way. Lamisil should work nicely as well.

>

> Good luck,

> Brad

>

>

>>> > Thanks to the advice of everyone on this user group I've

>>> got the blood

>>> > electrifier all up and working.

>>> > However, I don't seem to be getting any results, good or

>>> bad. By the third

>>> > time of using it I was using it for something like 20

>>> minutes and I didn't

>>> > get any of the side effects that people have mentioned, but

>>> neither did I

>>> > seem to get any particular improvements.

>>> >

>>> > Following the statements of bob luhrs (you've been most helpful Bob)

>>> > regarding obtaining the best results by running the

>>> frequency directly

>>> > through the infection I decided to test  that out on ring

>>> worm. I applied it

>>> > to the ringworm at least 4 times unfortunately it didn't

>>> have much effect on

>>> > that either.

>>> >

>>

>>

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> 1e. Re: Results of using blood electrifier

>     Posted by: " bob luhrs " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

>     Date: Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:05 am ((PDT))

>

> i am not sure if ringworm is a germ?  and have you got a confirmed

> diagnosis?  it helps to nail the target's type.  try a 6 volt battery and

> wrap wire ends with some wetted cloth like cigarette-sized tubes and apply

> that see what happens.  it is quite powerful watch out.

> bG

>

>

>> >

>> > Thanks to the advice of everyone on this user group I've

>> got the blood electrifier all up and working.

>> > However, I don't seem to be getting any results, good or

>> bad. By the third time of using it I was using it for

>> something like 20 minutes and I didn't get any of the side

>> effects that people have mentioned, but neither did I seem to

>> get any particular improvements.

>> >

>> > Following the statements of bob luhrs (you've been most

>> helpful Bob) regarding obtaining the best results by running

>> the frequency directly through the infection I decided to

>> test  that out on ring worm. I applied it to the ringworm at

>> least 4 times unfortunately it didn't have much effect on that either.

>> >

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according to my medical source, it's a local infection in the nail bed. the

internal drug reaches it where topicals cannot reach it, but regrettably has

side effects on the liver in some cases that counter-indicate using it. A liver

enzyme test has to be done once a month if on the drug. When taking the drug,

doctors also prescribe a strong topical for it as well.

Nobody, not even the doctors like the idea, but my daughter is taking it, and

gets the tests back normal, so at least it is being done under supervision. One

doctor lost a patient on it, and refuses now to prescribe it anymore.

She tried my remedy and it did not work for her, possibly did not dose it up

heavy enough to do the job (she used Qtips, as I did before I realized it cut

the dose way down by reabsorbing most of the stuff!!).

However, she will try my remedy as a maintenance after finished the drug. I am

not saying there could not also be other issues with her insides, but knowing

her probably not as she is too robust, kick boxing, weights, everything

physical, 5'8 " 125 lbs of solid muscle. she probably gets too much dampness in

the toes.

bG

> >> >

> >> > Thanks to the advice of everyone on this user group I've

> >> got the blood electrifier all up and working.

> >> > However, I don't seem to be getting any results, good or

> >> bad. By the third time of using it I was using it for

> >> something like 20 minutes and I didn't get any of the side

> >> effects that people have mentioned, but neither did I seem to

> >> get any particular improvements.

> >> >

> >> > Following the statements of bob luhrs (you've been most

> >> helpful Bob) regarding obtaining the best results by running

> >> the frequency directly through the infection I decided to

> >> test  that out on ring worm. I applied it to the ringworm at

> >> least 4 times unfortunately it didn't have much effect on that either.

> >> >

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I`m Luiza, From Brazil.

> Here in Brazil we have a candida blog and in this blog

> they recommend the MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement) to cure candida.What do you

know about it?

+++Hi Luiza. Yes, I know about MMS, which is man-made. I don't think any

minerals like that are as good as Mother Nature - you get plenty of minerals on

my program from these sources:

1) Water that contains natural minerals.

2) Good ocean sea salt

3) Foods

Bee

>

> Thank you,

>

> Luiza

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about you problems with MMS, but obviously you are

the exception to the rule. I have personally given it to at least ten

people and it worked to varying degree with all of them and with no

problems. Some could tolerate the taste and some were more like me,

but we all benefited. For the general population your concerns are

unwarranted if they read and follow the protocol carefully. You say

that you did that and I believe you.

Jim Humble is the expert and basically discovered it, so he is the

person to follow and quote. There really are no options. No one

absolutely knows anything. It is all a theory, no matter how many

times it has been proven out.

In any case, his observation that it dissipates in 1/2 hr holds water.

This is not a complex chemical and its reactions are observable and

reproducible.

Again sorry about your problems, but this stuff generally is very

effective and there is no reason to throw the baby out with the

bathwater.

To the person who wrote this to me off group:

>MMS actively dissipates in less than 1/2 hr turning to water and

salt

according to Jim Humble. I agree that it is "wicked enough," but your

concerns are unwarranted.

<

OK, I'm going to try to take that in hopes that it was offered in a

spirit

of help, despite the fact that I first blew my stack about it and was

ready

to tell you off. If no offense was meant, then take no offense at

this...BUT...

First- absolutely no one *knows* what any chemical reaction does

exactly in

a human body, out of sight of observation, and especially with the

consideration of individual physiology.

Second- I really don't like the phrase "your concerns are unwarranted".

That

is paramount. You have no idea what MMS did to me. It nearly destroyed

my

heart and it took me many months, actually a couple of years to bring

myself

back from the damage. In the meantime, the base infection was not

totally

wiped out and I found that other, much milder protocols went much

farther

towards eliminating my disease(s).

Third- Not just from you but from I-don't-know-how-many-people,

I'm good and

sick and tired of two phrases: "according to Jim Humble" and "Jim Humble

says". Jim Humble's mouth and books are not prayer books.

When I had the awful reactions to MMS, that info got back to him and his

response was nothing short of pithy so I lost a great deal of respect

for

his opinions right then. Back then I was doing things exactly like he

said

to. Now he has finally listened to people and changed his protocols

much forSorry to heR

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else tried the MMS?  I was reading about it yesterday and it sounds

good.  I am just wary because I have kidney disease.  Has anyone with lots of

health problems tried it and had success?

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what does MMS stand for?

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Janet Ring <janet.ring@...> wrote:

>

>

> Has anyone used MMS? My friend told me about it this morning and it sounds

> amazing.

>

> Janet

>

>

[Guest guest]

Miracle Mineral Supplement. See the folder on it under treatments on my free

lyme resource cd.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> Re: [ ] MMS

>

> what does MMS stand for?

>

[Guest guest]

I know someone who used MMS as part of her protocol and appears to be well now.

I personally have not tried it. It is very controversial. Some compare it to

chemo. Others say the chemical activation (it must be mixed with citric acid or

something similar) turns it into bleach in the body.

deb

>

> It stands for miracle mineral supplement. It is very popular amongst Lyme

> sufferers. Maybe not on the Buhner list but on other Lyme groups. If you

> google MMS you will quickly come across Jim Humble and what he has to say

> about it, as he is the inventor. It has much success with malaria as well. .

> This is another group I am part of and there are many, many that swear by

> it- _Lyme_and_Rife _ (mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ) .

> Some swear by it to the point they wouldn't be with out it. The other group

> is one that is for rife but they talk about other supports, be it herbs,

> antibiotics, etc. People put OT in the subject line when it is not about

> rife.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves!

>

> Hi

> I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why?

>

[Guest guest]

It is effective and very cheap.FDA has no proof but is bullying anyway.On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM, cornfielduk <jennyre@...> wrote:

 

If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves!

>

> Hi

> I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why?

>

[Guest guest]

I got a notice, too. Does anyone know why?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "cornfielduk" <jennyre@...>Sender: iodine Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:56:39 -0000<iodine >Reply iodine Subject: Re: MMS If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves!>> Hi> I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why?>

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting, to say the least. My friend had an appointment with Dr Mark Starr in Phoenix, a few months ago. She and I had read his book and were impressed on his knowledge of the thyroid. However, she was VERY disappointed with him, his manner but most of all that he sold MANY multilevel marketing products. MMS was one of them. I had signed up for email from him from (before she had seen him) as he does lectures in the area and sends out 'health info updates' , a couple of months ago I got an email from his office saying he no longer uses MMS and to throw it out, as it wasn’t 'energetically' good for patients. My friend found him to be not her kind of doctor and never went back after her first visit, in fact when she got home , she wrote him a long letter saying how disappointed she was, how expensive he was and she wanted to send back the many supplements she purchased from him the day of her visit, and wanted her money back. He complied after she signed some sort of release. He may be a good doctor for someone else, but its interesting to me that he recommended the MMS to all his patients. I take this as an important lesson, that no matter how important the doctor seems to be, it is up to us to research materials they recommend we put into our bodies.

Re: MMS

If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves!>> Hi> I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why?>

[Guest guest]

https://mail.google.com/mail/?rld=1#search/jim+humble/12ac3277dc2cdd66The above is an e-mail link to some of the explanation about what is going on with the FDA and MMS from Jim Humble.

Hope it works.Estair On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:17 PM, <laura_kathleen_802@...> wrote:

 

I got a notice, too. Does anyone know why?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: " cornfielduk " <jennyre@...>

Sender: iodine

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:56:39 -0000<iodine >Reply iodine

Subject: Re: MMS

 

If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves!

>

> Hi

> I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why?

>

[Guest guest]

Could you maybe copy & paste, because I can't seem to get there...AnneOn Sep 13, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Estair Kaufman wrote: https://mail.google.com/mail/?rld=1#search/jim+humble/12ac3277dc2cdd66The above is an e-mail link to some of the explanation about what is going on with the FDA and MMS from Jim Humble. Hope it works.Estair On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:17 PM, <laura_kathleen_802@...> wrote: I got a notice, too. Does anyone know why?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "cornfielduk" <jennyre@...> Sender: iodine Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:56:39 -0000<iodine >Reply iodine Subject: Re: MMS If you live in America, the FDA is trying to clear it from the shelves! > > Hi > I recieved a message to send my MMS product back, does anyonr know why? >

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Three different people have told me it was very helpful for lyme, but two of

them had caught the lyme early. However, I talked to the manager at Staff of

Life vitamin store and she told me it's the same stuff they use to clean

swimming pools and you have to mix it just right (with citric acid) or you'll

vomit profusely and really mess up your GI tract. She thinks it's great stuff,

just have to be really careful with it. I'm going to read Humble's free book on

it before deciding if I'll try it. http://www.miraclemineral.org/part1.php

Good luck! -

>

> Has anyone used MMS? My friend told me about it this morning and it sounds

> amazing.

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that I'd talk to a Lyme literate MD and read the following warning from

the FDA before proceeding with MMS:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm

--- " cynthia_santa_cruz " <cynthiacbaker3@...> wrote:

> Three different people have told me it was very helpful for lyme, but two of

them had caught the lyme early. However, I talked to the manager at Staff of

Life vitamin store and she told me it's the same stuff they use to clean

swimming pools and you have to mix it just right (with citric acid) or you'll

vomit profusely and really mess up your GI tract. She thinks it's great stuff,

just have to be really careful with it.