Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 , I live in Missouri and in our state the law says that farmers may either be commercial dairy farmers or for home sales. If they choose to sell their milk to commercial dairies, then they are not allowed to sell to their neighbors. I am lucky enough to have a local farmer who choose to sell to his neighbors instead of commercially. He actually delivers to his customers if they want and his milk is actually cheaper than store bought milk. I am able to get cream, and make my own butter this way too. He will make it for me, but my kids like to make it. He also grows his own organic wheat and veggies, so, I am able to get this from him also. He also bakes bread the old fashioned way. He has a huge brick fireplace in a building that is a health dept. approved kitchen. It is really kind of cool, but really, really old. I like historical things, so that is probably why I really like the way he cooks. Anyway, first thing in the morning he builds a really big fire in the fireplace to heat up all the bricks. I don't know the exact procedure but when I took my kids to his farm for a field trip, I asked the woman he had baking for him how it worked and she said he got up really early every morning and builds the fire so the oven is ready for her when she gets there. After the bread is ready to go into the oven, he scoops all the burned debris out of the oven and the bread goes in and cooks in this big brick oven from the heat of the bricks. So, it is slow cooked. I am not sure why I am sharing this with you, probably because I think it is really cool the way he does it. My point is, your state might have the same rules and you might be able to find a group of people who will be willing to buy from a farmer so he is willing to go strictly with selling to people instead of to commercial dairies. That is how my milk man got started. His neighbors promised to buy from him, so he was less afraid of starving to death from lack of business. :-) I believe the site http://www.realmilk.com tells where organic dairy farmers are located. Also, check with your local Morman church, many times they will know of a source for unpasturized milk, at least that is the case in our area. We also have a large Amish population, so that is another option. ~Karma http://loaves-n-fishes.com http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com Lactoferrin Another thing I wanted to say is that everytime I take the Homozon, this wiggle feeling in my ear intensifies. I am looking for a farmer in my area who will sell me raw cow milk or raw goat milk. Raw milk contains lactoferrin, and I can't find the reference now in TCAD. The whole book is like a story and milk can be mentioned in 50 places and lactoferrin is not in the index! Anyway, lactoferrin is destroyed by the pasteurization process and 1 glass will supply your bones with a weeks worth of lactoferrin. That's all I know for now... I may buy offer to buy and pay board for the goat if the farmer tells me it's illegal to sell me the raw milk. There's way around everything. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 << I may buy offer to buy and pay board for the goat if the farmer tells me it's illegal to sell me the raw milk. >> ===== Hi . That thought has entered my mind but my landlord does not allow pets. :-)) Smile 5 bucks for a quart of goatmilk in the store. Do you or anyone on this list know how to make your own Kefir. I love the stuff and would like to make my own. Thank you Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 << I live in Missouri and in our state the law says that farmers may either be commercial dairy farmers or for home sales >> Karma, you are really lucky to have your farmer. I live in Florida and there is no such thing. Can't get anything raw here. Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Any reason why you don't want to use a lactoferrin supplement (capsules)? I do, and it seems to help me. Don > Another thing I wanted to say is that everytime I take > the Homozon, this wiggle feeling in my ear > intensifies. > > I am looking for a farmer in my area who will sell me > raw cow milk or raw goat milk. Raw milk contains > lactoferrin, and I can't find the reference now in > TCAD. The whole book is like a story and milk can be > mentioned in 50 places and lactoferrin is not in the > index! Anyway, lactoferrin is destroyed by the > pasteurization process and 1 glass will supply your > bones with a weeks worth of lactoferrin. That's all I > know for now... > > I may buy offer to buy and pay board for the goat if > the farmer tells me it's illegal to sell me the raw > milk. > > There's way around everything. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 << http://www.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html >> Thanks Barbara: You were right, the site is down. I read somewhere too that grains are needed to make Kefir. Is it also necessary to use raw milk? Because I can't get that down here. Please let me know how your Kefir turns out. Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hi Christel, I ordered a kefir starter pack from a health food store in the US. After I sent for it, I found out from another list that its better to use real kefir grains, so I went to a site that has people who exchange grains. I found one in Belguim and he just emailed me this morning that he sent my grains. I can order fresh goat's milk from a farmer on the market so that's what I plan to use to make my kefir. There's a very interesting site with info on how to make kefir and why to use the real grains instead of the starter packs from health food stores. I'm putting the link below. Today when I tried to go to the site, it was down. Hopefully its not down for long. http://www.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html Barbara > > > << I may buy offer to buy and pay board for the goat if > the farmer tells me it's illegal to sell me the raw > milk. >> > ===== > Hi . That thought has entered my mind but my landlord does not allow > pets. :-)) Smile > 5 bucks for a quart of goatmilk in the store. > Do you or anyone on this list know how to make your own Kefir. I love the > stuff and would like to make my own. > Thank you > Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hi Barbara; What is bio milk? And what do you do? Put the grains in the milk and wait? I apologize for my ignorance but I really do not know. I wrote to Body Ecology and got this answer: ===== You have to buy either kefir grains or a kefir starter. Donna Gates does not recommend kefir grains because you do not know what kind of bacteria and culture you get each time. You can order the kefir starter directly from us if you like ====== Any input? Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 << How's the weather in Florida now...hot already? I was at a beach yesterday by the dike and it reminded me of florida..well except for the water was ice cold!! Yet there were still people swimming in it. Dutchies are really crazy...when it hits 78 here...like yesterday, they think its like 90 and go swimming in ice cold water! >> ====== I know, my relatives in Germany do that too.Puts goosebumps on me just thinking about it. We have 90 degrees here now. Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 I've decided to use raw milk...goats milk...because I can find it here with no problem. In his instructions, the guy told me to put the kefir grains in bio milk. I'm sure you can find that at a local healthfood store in Florida. How's the weather in Florida now...hot already? I was at a beach yesterday by the dike and it reminded me of florida..well except for the water was ice cold!! Yet there were still people swimming in it. Dutchies are really crazy...when it hits 78 here...like yesterday, they think its like 90 and go swimming in ice cold water! Groetjes, Barbara > > > << http://www.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html > >> > Thanks Barbara: > You were right, the site is down. I read somewhere too that grains are needed > to make Kefir. Is it also necessary to use raw milk? Because I can't get that > down here. > Please let me know how your Kefir turns out. > Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hi Christel, Keep checking that link..hopefully it works again soon. It says on that sight why you should use real grains and not settle for the starter kits. Don't remember the reasons now though, sorry. After I get the grains, I put them in milk and leave it at room temperature for 24 hours. Then I taste it and see if I want to leave it longer or not. The longer you leave it, the more fermented it gets. If its fermented enough for my tastes, then I put it in the fridge. Bio milk is just milk that you usually get at health food stores that's been handled gentlier and also the cows are fed better and not given any antibiotics. I'm fairly new at this and only decided to try it because of another list I belong to. They are really raving over it and say there are more probiotics in it than you can imagine. Personally, I'm tired of spending alot of money on probiotics and would rather get them naturally if I can. Since living in Holland, I've found I like yoghurt and kwark which are both fermented...so I'm hoping I'll like the kefir as well. Actually, I've never even tried it yet! Barbara > Hi Barbara; > What is bio milk? > And what do you do? Put the grains in the milk and wait? > I apologize for my ignorance but I really do not know. I wrote to Body > Ecology and got this answer: > ===== > You have to buy either kefir grains or a kefir starter. Donna Gates does not > recommend kefir grains because you do not know what kind of bacteria and > culture you get each time. You can order the kefir starter directly from us > if you like > ====== > Any input? > Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Thanks Barbara: After you finish your product please let me know how it turns out. I buy mine all the time. It comes flavored and I love rasberry. But 4 bucks a quart adds up fast. Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Claudine, where is this available? It sounds wonderful. I finally found something I could understand! Thanks! Diane [ ] Lactoferrin > Lactoferrin > > Lactoferrin is a versatile, bioactive milk protein> that plays an important role in the immune system> response and helps protect the body against> infections. Besides the stimulation of the immune> system, scientific studies have revealed that> lactoferrin also prevents the growth of pathogens,> exerts antibacterial and antiviral properties,> controls cell and tissue damage caused by oxidation,> and facilitates iron transport.> > Thanks to these properties, lactoferrin can be viewed> as a promising natural health-promoting ingredient> with a wide range of applications.> > Lactoferrin is a versatile, iron-binding, natural milk> protein. Scientific studies suggest that it plays an> important role in the human cellular immune system> response and protects the body against infections.> > Lactoferrin contributes to the primary defense system> against invading pathogenic organisms, stimulates the> immune system and the growth of various cell lines,> and helps regulate the iron status in the body. It> also serves as a natural antioxidant.> > Lactoferrin is a milk glycoprotein occurring naturally> in numerous bodily secretions, including milk, tears,> mucus, blood, and saliva. This presence suggests a> role in the non-specific defense against invading> pathogens.> > It is present in both breast and cow's milk, with> concentrations in human milk being 5-10 times higher> than in bovine milk. Lactoferrin concentrations change> during the mammary cycle, with the highest> concentration found in the colostrum, where it is the> second most abundant protein.> > High lactoferrin concentrations are present in> colostrum passed to the newborn, supporting the idea> that lactoferrin serves as a protective protein> complementing the immunological defense system [1-4].> > Lactoferrin has a very high affinity for iron. Most of> the proposed biological activities of lactoferrin are> related to the binding of iron, but non-iron related> functions have been described as well [1-7]:> stimulation of the immune system antibacterial and> antiviral properties promotion of good gut flora> regulation of iron metabolism prevention of oxidation> control of cell or tissues damage (result of aging)> > In the natural state, it is only partly saturated with> iron (15-20% for bovine lactoferrin, 4-5% for human> lactoferrin) and has a pink coloration due to bound> iron.> > It has been speculated that lactoferrin has a function> in the primary defense system against invading> pathogenic organisms, probably by depriving them of> iron required for growth. This antibacterial activity> has been observed and confirmed repeatedly in vitro> and vivo studies.> > Literature references> > [1] B. Reiter, The biological significance of the> non-immunoglobulin protective proteins in milk. In:> Developments in Dairy Chemistry - 3, 1985, pg 281336.> > [2] E. Renner (Ed.), Micronutrients in milk and> milk-based food products, 1989, pg 1-70, 134-138,> 275-276.> > [3] IDF Bulletins No 191 (1985) and No 264 (1991).> > [4] C.A. Barth, E. Schlimme (Eds.), Milk Proteins:> Nutritional, Clinical, Functional and Technological> Aspects, 1988, pg 72-111.> > [5] K. Yamauchi, Biologically functional proteins of> milk and peptides derived from milk proteins, 75th> Annual Session of the IDF, Tokyo, Oct. 1991.> > [6] H. Kawakami, S. Dosako, B. Lönnerdal, Iron uptake> from transferrin and lactoferrin by rat intestinal> brush-border membrane vesicles. Am. J. Physiol., 258> (1990) G 535 - G 541.> > [7] J. Perraudin, Protéines à activités biologique:> lactoferrine et lactoperoxydase. Connaissances> recemment acquises et technologies d'obtention, Le> Lait, 71 (1991) 191-212.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 --- & Diane Gray <dustygray@...> wrote: > Claudine, where is this available? It sounds > wonderful. I finally found something I could > understand! Thanks! > > Diane I think you can find the Bovine lactoferrin, or colostrum, at most health food stores. I don't know anything about brands, what might be good quality or anything. I know a lot of this seems confusing when you are first finding out you have HCV, and beginning to learn about it, but the more you read, the easier - and more understandable, it gets. Just keep it up! Claudine __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Hi Iv'e tried Colostrum and after a few days it always gives me a headache what do you think of that? Lynne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 --- ReikiMasta@... wrote: > Hi Iv'e tried Colostrum and after a few days it > always gives me a headache what do you think of > that? Lynne > You might try changing brands. Maybe it is not the colostrum, but something else that is in it. Another possibility is that it is actually causing an immune response in your body - like interferon does - and your body reacts with the same symptoms as in any immune response - headache, fever, etc. I guess there is also the possibility that it just doesn't agree with you. Is there lactose in it? Lots of people are lactose intolerant, but using that causes gastrointestinal problems. My first guess would be the 'unkown' ingredient though. Claudine __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 I'm hanging in there! Love, Diane Re: [ ] Lactoferrin DianeI think you can find the Bovine lactoferrin, orcolostrum, at most health food stores. I don't knowanything about brands, what might be good quality oranything.I know a lot of this seems confusing when you arefirst finding out you have HCV, and beginning to learnabout it, but the more you read, the easier - and moreunderstandable, it gets. Just keep it up!Claudine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 > > Dear Bee, > I have been taking protein shakes daily. It is an organic whey protein made from cows milk and it contains lactoferrins (an anti- fungal protein). In your article you advice to avoid dairy. Please tell me if I should stop taking this shake. Thank you. ==>Hi there. What is your name my friend? ==>Please do not have the protein shake. Were you diagnosed with having too much iron, thus the lactoferrin? Lactoferrin has been reported to act as an antifungal but there are other much more effective ones, particularly coconut oil, raw crushed garlic, and oil of oregano. If you need a good drink try Bee's Raw Egg Drink - see the Recipe Folder in the Files (on the left menu). It is also " all natural " and extremely nutritious and healing. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have a freind that does " lactoferrin " and swears by it. http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/20/suppl_5/389S#R1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Yes, Doug. I have more information about Lactoferrin. It is a dreamed supplement in this battle. Lactoferrin also helps the liver, has synergistic effects with the azole drugs against any candida strain. It is active against pathogenic bacterias and viruses, helps the friendly flora, and gives you energy. I have more than 15 researchs about it and how beneficial it can be for candida sufferers. I have even found some articles which I have paid to get the information about it. . > > I took my first lactoferrin this morning with meal and other supplements. Marked increase in sensuality, helped my gerd, some fatigue, but especially seems to quieten my cravings. It is 300pm and usually I would be in thekitchen looking for food. My stomach feels very quiet and pacified and I could probably go without food for 4 hours. This is not normal for me. Usually I get gerd symptoms when I take all my supplements and it is solely the milk thistle that does it. Today very minimal gerd since I included the lactorferrin. Thank you very much . Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Greg, not so positive about the lactoferrin today. I felt like last night in sleep I had rapid heartbeats. Next day woke up with nausea and headache. After second dose at 1100am today again more digestive distress though not necessarily gerd( maybe just unsettled stomach). I have not given up on it and will try it as long as I can tolerate it. I read on Web Md that if it is rice derived it is suggested to be on it only 14 days. If from the cow, up to a year. We'll see. I have felt bad most of today and will not tolerate that long term. As to the whey it did make my gerd steadily worse so I had to stop it. Whey gave me alot of energy. Doug From: greg <dreaminginnoother@...> Subject: Re: Lactoferrin candidiasis Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 3:20 PM  Awesome to hear, Doug. I will definitely be trying some myself soon. And speaking of lactoferrin, where are you with whey? Still taking it? Off it? Any improvement or decline from it's discontinuation or reintroduction? greg > > I took my first lactoferrin this morning with meal and other supplements. Marked increase in sensuality, helped my gerd, some fatigue, but especially seems to quieten my cravings. It is 300pm and usually I would be in thekitchen looking for food. My stomach feels very quiet and pacified and I could probably go without food for 4 hours. This is not normal for me. Usually I get gerd symptoms when I take all my supplements and it is solely the milk thistle that does it. Today very minimal gerd since I included the lactorferrin. Thank you very much . Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 yes, I also do a good cold processed whey protein shake usually once, sometimes 2x daily...... Blessings, Margaret A man is what he thinks about all day long...Great men are they who see that the spiritual is stronger than any material force, that thoughts rule the world.... Ralph W. Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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