Re: mind healing technique

[Guest guest]

Hey Slavek,

Love this one. Every time I've seen it I'm taken back, in memory, to happy

Sunday bible belt hour. Oral , your spirit lives.

This is a variant of the 'laying on of hands' healing paradigm.

Back in the day, 30CE, its mastering was required of all Messiah wanna bes.

Sorry, can't recall off hand if 'water to wine' was an earlier or more advanced

course.

On a more current note.

A physio-therapist I used twice about three years ago contacted me a few months

after my last session. She was taking an 'accredited' course on the very

technique referred to in the 'paper' and wanted to know if I would be willing

(she was aware of my cancers) to be a subject/patient? for her after she

completed the training. The price was right, free. I said go for it.

Ran into her about a year later, brief chat, no mention of the 'healing'.

Maybe she wasn't skeptical enough.

MikeM

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have just caught this on KeelyNet and since I find it much more than

> interesting I am reposting it here.

>

> Please note the pdf link to the original page referred.

>

> > " Hi all. I have not posted in a long while but I think this was interesting

and important enough to bring to your attention. Prescott of the Daily

Grail called this

> experiment mind blowing and I fully agree.

>

> I have just come across what has to be the most remarkable healing study

> that I can remember. The results were stunning. Especially since most of

> the healers were

> skeptics! This is a scientific breakthrough of major importance and I

> want the message to spread far and wide.

>

> I will sum up the experiment quickly. You will find the full story as a

> free download of the 2nd Issue of Edge Science Magazine. They welcome

> donations

>

> www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

>

> To begin with a number of mice were infected with a potent form of

> mammary adenocarcinoma. This is extremely deadly stuff. It has a 100%

> kill rate within 27 days.

>

> The star healer who was supposed to cure the mice turned out to be

> unavailable. So the man who devised the experiment, Scientist F.

> Bengston, was left

> holding the bag. Reluctantly, he realized he would have to work on the

> mice himself. In consultation with his gifted healer, Bengston, using

> logic and intuition had

> come up with a simple healing procedure. He decided to try it on the

> mice.

>

> The results were astounding!

>

> All of the mice survived the cancer which normally has a 100 percent

> mortality rate. The tumors simply developed then fell off.Bengston then

> recruited the most

> skeptical students he could find and taught them the procedure. In the

> next round of experiments all the following rats survived.

>

> Even more amazing there were control groups of mice that were infected

> but not treated. They were cured too! In fact only mice that were kept

> in separate buildings

> were not cured. If any of the students went into a room where the mice

> were, they were cured!

>

> If all of this is not astounding enough, the mice who were cured were

> now immune and would not catch the cancer whenever they were

> re-injected. Furthermore, if

> they gave blood to normal mice they too were now immune. For at least

> two years

>

> This healing protocol has been repeated at medical schools and other

> institutions with successful results.

>

> Trevor "

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for sharing this info, Trevor.

Best regards,

Sandy

From: slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka@...>

Subject: [ ] mind healing technique

Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 4:58 PM

 

Hi All,

I have just caught this on KeelyNet and since I find it much more than

interesting I am reposting it here.

Please note the pdf link to the original page referred.

> " Hi all. I have not posted in a long while but I think this was interesting

and important enough to bring to your attention. Prescott of the Daily

Grail called this

experiment mind blowing and I fully agree.

I have just come across what has to be the most remarkable healing study

that I can remember. The results were stunning. Especially since most of

the healers were

skeptics! This is a scientific breakthrough of major importance and I

want the message to spread far and wide.

I will sum up the experiment quickly. You will find the full story as a

free download of the 2nd Issue of Edge Science Magazine. They welcome

donations

www.scientificexplo ration.org/ edgescience/ edgescience_ 02.pdf

To begin with a number of mice were infected with a potent form of

mammary adenocarcinoma. This is extremely deadly stuff. It has a 100%

kill rate within 27 days.

The star healer who was supposed to cure the mice turned out to be

unavailable. So the man who devised the experiment, Scientist F.

Bengston, was left

holding the bag. Reluctantly, he realized he would have to work on the

mice himself. In consultation with his gifted healer, Bengston, using

logic and intuition had

come up with a simple healing procedure. He decided to try it on the

mice.

The results were astounding!

All of the mice survived the cancer which normally has a 100 percent

mortality rate. The tumors simply developed then fell off.Bengston then

recruited the most

skeptical students he could find and taught them the procedure. In the

next round of experiments all the following rats survived.

Even more amazing there were control groups of mice that were infected

but not treated. They were cured too! In fact only mice that were kept

in separate buildings

were not cured. If any of the students went into a room where the mice

were, they were cured!

If all of this is not astounding enough, the mice who were cured were

now immune and would not catch the cancer whenever they were

re-injected. Furthermore, if

they gave blood to normal mice they too were now immune. For at least

two years

This healing protocol has been repeated at medical schools and other

institutions with successful results.

Trevor "

[Guest guest]

List:

Slavek submitted this site for list subscribers to consider:

www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

No one seemed to have picked up on this, but I think it is worthy of

serious attention. The article only hints at details of the

technique, but the author says all the right things that a scientist

wants to hear: the diligence, the skepticism, the self-doubt, the

clinical verification and replication, the questions it raises, and

the reasonableness of the inquiry. The author states that the

technique does not work so well if there has been prior use of chemo

or radiation. This cannot be concluded from the murine studies, and

it might well be very true, but still we would like to know how this

conclusion was arrived at. I question everything that lumps all

chemos together. All chemos do seem to have serious problems

associated with them, but some, such as vincristine and bleomycin do

not damage immune function.

Although this kind of research is a stretch from what we would

normally do, I see no downside to including details, when available,

in one of the practicum mornings at our retreat center and then

encouraging participants to report results. I would further like to

explore it in several directions.

First, to reduce it to the minimum effective technique. Is the

laying on of hands necessary? Is a five-minute session as effective

as an hour?

Second: What are the attributes of the most effective practitioners

and the most accessible cancers?

Third: What can enhance the results? Immune stimulants? Additional placebos?

Fouth: What would undermine results?

Fifth: Is the opposite true? Can you make mice die faster by human intention?

Sixth: Are there any greater implications for the world at

large? Would it be reductio ad absurdum to suggest worldwide

networks of intention groups acting in unison to rid the world of

cancer? Something similar is done by large prayer groups.

Seventh: Does this technique share the same any

scientifically-verifiable underlying principles as prayer? as

placebos? as the many other mental techniques for drawing in

miracles, wealth, or a love interest?

VIncent

[Guest guest]

When I copy and paste this link I do not get through to the page? Please advise

the right web address.

________________________________

From: VGammill <vgammill@...>

Sent: Sun, 21 March, 2010 7:14:46

Subject: Re: [ ] mind healing technique

 

List:

Slavek submitted this site for list subscribers to consider:

www.scientificexplo ration.org/ edgescience/ edgescience_ 02.pdf

No one seemed to have picked up on this, but I think it is worthy of

serious attention. The article only hints at details of the

technique, but the author says all the right things that a scientist

wants to hear: the diligence, the skepticism, the self-doubt, the

clinical verification and replication, the questions it raises, and

the reasonableness of the inquiry. The author states that the

technique does not work so well if there has been prior use of chemo

or radiation. This cannot be concluded from the murine studies, and

it might well be very true, but still we would like to know how this

conclusion was arrived at. I question everything that lumps all

chemos together. All chemos do seem to have serious problems

associated with them, but some, such as vincristine and bleomycin do

not damage immune function.

Although this kind of research is a stretch from what we would

normally do, I see no downside to including details, when available,

in one of the practicum mornings at our retreat center and then

encouraging participants to report results. I would further like to

explore it in several directions.

First, to reduce it to the minimum effective technique. Is the

laying on of hands necessary? Is a five-minute session as effective

as an hour?

Second: What are the attributes of the most effective practitioners

and the most accessible cancers?

Third: What can enhance the results? Immune stimulants? Additional placebos?

Fouth: What would undermine results?

Fifth: Is the opposite true? Can you make mice die faster by human intention?

Sixth: Are there any greater implications for the world at

large? Would it be reductio ad absurdum to suggest worldwide

networks of intention groups acting in unison to rid the world of

cancer? Something similar is done by large prayer groups.

Seventh: Does this technique share the same any

scientifically- verifiable underlying principles as prayer? as

placebos? as the many other mental techniques for drawing in

miracles, wealth, or a love interest?

VIncent

[Guest guest]

http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

This is copied from the site.

At 12:41 AM 3/21/2010, you wrote:

>

>When I copy and paste this link I do not get through to the page?

>Please advise the right web address.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Slavek,

Regrettably, I did not become a subject. She never followed through on her

request, and I have felt it inappropriate to ask. I was very much looking

forward to the experience.

Was reviewing my past communications. She had sent me a pdf of one of the

original papers (has the mouse pictures) by Bengston, and the notes from a

seminar given by Bengston that she attended.

'Anomalous Healing Research

'Notes from a Seminar with F. Bengston, Ph.D. in Toronto, 'June 7, 8,

2008

Her notes mention one Oskar Estabany.

The article source that started this is worth repeating;

http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

Well worth reading in terms of seeing outside the box.

Years ago one of our national TV broadcasters produced a great documentary on a

visualization healing of one of our Rock legends, Ronny Hawkins, the Hawk. He's

still going strong.

I believe in the power of the mind. What I do not tolerate is fraudsters and

those 'too busy' to seek the source.

If you are not already acquainted with him, you may find the follow site

interesting;

http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

Enjoy the book, and do report back on it.

MikeM

P.S. This is a re-work of an earlier post. It and one or two others have yet to

appear. The blog monster must have got them before they even made it to list,

or I, in my brain fog, may have forgot to press the send button.

[Guest guest]

hi ,

here is the home page

http://www.edgescience.magcloud.com/

regards, Slavek

Tibbs wrote:

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>

> When I copy and paste this link I do not get through to the page?

> Please advise the right web address.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Very good.

I have personally paid attention to mind healing and mind whatever for a

long time. What has always discouraged me from persuading it is the

" magic " factor. This study, even though it definitely contains it, shows

the path for most of us to actually learn it. The article only does not

appear to have the technique quite described, but it actually does.

You are indeed in a very good position to work on it and I am very glad

that you have recognized this opportunity. I would only suggest to

preferably work, at least at the beginning, with women. They depend much

more on their intuition than men. From what I see, it will be easier to

get to the learning if at least one person in the group had lets say

" exceptional capacity of intuition " . The article strongly suggests, that

it can be passed from such a person onto others and that there may be a

necessity of an intuitive person as a trigger of what may become a chain

reaction.

With kind regards, Slavek.

VGammill wrote:

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>

>

> List:

>

> Slavek submitted this site for list subscribers to consider:

>

> www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

>

> No one seemed to have picked up on this, .......

[Guest guest]

I'd like more information on the exact technique. From what I saw in the

article, he lists 20 outcomes and each outcomes has a visual connected to it,

then, the " healer " plays these series of visuals on a loop for a certain amount

of time " seeing them " . What should the outcome be for humans? Could someone

suggest ideas. I think he was purposefully stingy about that part of the

experiment and it seemed like the most important part. Ok, so a human might

imagine a picture in the future (with grandkids, maybe), what do you visualize

for mice?

Deborah

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

I wanted to let you know that F. Bengston has a website you can go to to

get information about ordering his book, Chasing The Cure.

It is...

http://www.bengstonresearch.com/chasing-the-cure/

Amazon America does not have his book yet but you can get it at Amazon Canada

which is what I did.

Get book here...

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1554702534/ref=ox_ya_os_product

I feel this is the type of healing we'll be doing in the very near future so

it's important to read all we can about it now and start practicing. More and

more people are able to do energy healing which proves, IMO that everyone can.

Best regards and good health to you all,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sandy,

I ordered two, one as a gift.

Saved me some hassle this way.

With kind regards, Slavek.

Sandy wrote:

> Hi Group,

> I wanted to let you know that F. Bengston has a website you

> can go to to get information about ordering his book, Chasing The

> Cure. It is...

>

> http://www.bengstonresearch.com/chasing-the-cure/

>

> Amazon America does not have his book yet but you can get it at Amazon

> Canada which is what I did.

>

> Get book here...

> http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1554702534/ref=ox_ya_os_product

>

> I feel this is the type of healing we'll be doing in the very near

> future so it's important to read all we can about it now and start

> practicing. More and more people are able to do energy healing which

> proves, IMO that everyone can.

>

> Best regards and good health to you all,

[Guest guest]

We've had a nice little gab on this.

I don't recall anyone yet mentioning that they have been the 'healer', or the

subject, in a mind healing session.

Has anyone been, or am I as close (a year later, and still waiting for the call)

as anyone has come? If so, what benefits have go of it?

An acquaintance told about Reiki healing; part of which, as I was told, involved

human energy transfer to a subject and other entities such as homeopathics.

Correct me if I got that wrong. Same question here as above.

MikeM

[Guest guest]

MikeM,

I'd be willing to try it for you...to act as your " healer " . I think that means

I need some prompts from you to visualize and maybe a time when we both could

feel the energy. C'mon, folks. Don't make fun of me. I'm just giving this a

good ole open-minded try. If this is too zany for the members, write me

offline.

Also, I wrote to Dr. Bergstrom (I think that was his name) and he sent me a pdf

file of an article where he explains the process more clearly. I wonder if I

can post that? Let me look again and see whether it was from a published

article or not. I could certainly explain it in my own words...no time today

though.

Best,

Deborah

>

> We've had a nice little gab on this.

>

> I don't recall anyone yet mentioning that they have been the 'healer', or the

subject, in a mind healing session.

>

> Has anyone been, or am I as close (a year later, and still waiting for the

call) as anyone has come? If so, what benefits have go of it?

>

> An acquaintance told about Reiki healing; part of which, as I was told,

involved human energy transfer to a subject and other entities such as

homeopathics. Correct me if I got that wrong. Same question here as above.

>

> MikeM

>

[Guest guest]

I, for one, would love to read the pdf. Hope you can post it. I have ordered the

book. Not available here til fall, but can be ordered at Amazon/Canada.

>

>

> Also, I wrote to Dr. Bergstrom (I think that was his name) and he sent me a

pdf file of an article where he explains the process more clearly. I wonder if

I can post that? Let me look again and see whether it was from a published

article or not. I could certainly explain it in my own words...no time today

though.

>

> Best,

> Deborah

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

,

You bring up interesting points.

I think the author's over-done emphasis on skepticism indicates an attempt to

appease the mainstream scientists who will undoubtedly doubt his findings no

matter what. Why should lack of belief have anything to do with it? Who

regulates THAT in experiments? Imagine if Edison didn't believe he could

make electricity as a criteria for experimenting. It just seems like

appeasement overkill to me.

Oh yeah, I think you could ignore the permission part for imagining a figure,

especially a public figure, doing something. I suppose it becomes more ethical

when you imagine say, a person you love loving you back when in reality they

don't. Or a person you know buying you something that you want.

The Abraham Hicks crowd also advocates a technique like this to get what you

want in life...but I dunno.

It's actually a lot of work to come up with visual outcomes and then spend time

spinning them in your head. Since I've read it, I haven't taken the time to sit

down and come up with things yet but I've been thinking about it.

Deborah

>

> As I read over the technique described to perform the miracle healing

> I become increasingly puzzled.

>

> 1. What is meant by " intention " ? Usually when you think of

> intention there would be associated steps or activities to accomplish

> the goal. The way intention is used here I think they are only

> speaking about wishful thinking. The author also discourages

> thinking about the steps to accomplish the goal -- just visualize the

> outcome no matter how unlikely.

>

> 2. I cannot imagine finding any skeptic willing to invest an hour a

> day for weeks on end. The skeptic-healer would be required to

> visualize a minimum of 12 images per second for an hour. That is

> 43,200 mental images per hour. I think this is quite impossible; how

> would you ever tally these images?

>

> 3. The " strict ethical rule " in Step 1 seems quite absurd. By these

> standards if I want to imagine President Obama signing a

> healthcare bill for a single payer system I must first get his

> permission to imagine this ?!

>

> I don't think I'll spend much time investigating this.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote :

" I cannot imagine finding any skeptic willing to invest an hour a

day for weeks on end. The skeptic-healer would be required to

visualize a minimum of 12 images per second for an hour. That is

43,200 mental images per hour. I think this is quite impossible; how

would you ever tally these images? "

>

No skeptic will spend one hour doing this, I agree .

Regarding the second part : " The skeptic-healer would be required to

visualize a minimum of 12 images per second for an hour. That is

43,200 mental images per hour. I think this is quite impossible; how

would you ever tally these images? "

In fact, the healer had to visualize thousand of images on a perpetual loop.

This where the technique could works as the healer had to be in a complete

trance. This can be achieved only throught a long training or a natural gift.

The mind during the healing process is in the way , sort of useless...

Spiritual healing is done with the " spirit " Our mind belong to us but we are

not our mind... The intention is necessary at the beginning.. the first few

minutes of the session.

Then the rest is accomplish at the level of subtle energies.Spiritual and

others.chi, bio energy, magnetism etc..

Some time we can use " a transfer technique " as it is done by many healers

around the world. As you travel regularly to Mexico, I am pretty sure than you

are aware of the technique of the " Limpia " ( cleansing done with an egg,

blessed water, plant and oration. The same technique was used in Europe for

centuries and is part of the tradition and ritual of white magic.

I have been immerse in this as long as I remember, growing up in Africa, living

in the Caribbean and South America for years.

It is very fascinating to see how our modern technology start to explain what's

use to baffle us :-)

[Guest guest]

Would this be the same as energy healing? Because, if it is, I have had my life

saved with a healing session.

xoo

>

> We've had a nice little gab on this.

>

> I don't recall anyone yet mentioning that they have been the 'healer', or the

subject, in a mind healing session.

>

> Has anyone been, or am I as close (a year later, and still waiting for the

call) as anyone has come? If so, what benefits have go of it?

>

> An acquaintance told about Reiki healing; part of which, as I was told,

involved human energy transfer to a subject and other entities such as

homeopathics. Correct me if I got that wrong. Same question here as above.

>

> MikeM

>

[Guest guest]

www.cancertouch.com

Kurt is his name and he's flat-out amazing, IMO. Anything in

particular you would like to know about my experience?

xxoo

" phoenix wrote:

>

> .. can you expand on your experience with energy healing? Thanks...

Lola

>

> On Thu, Mar 25, melizzard11 wrote:

> Would this be the same as energy healing? Because, if it is, I have had my

life saved with a healing session.

> >

> > xoo

> >

[Guest guest]

Toni,

He worked on me for about 10 hours. Yes, you read that correctly. 10 hours.

The second time was only 7 hours. My numbers were dropping a month later. He

says most of his remissions happen within 90 days. And I was so sick ... and

now I feel SO normal that I'm ready to start running dog agility again! Now,

THAT'S a miracle! His session cost $7500 total, but he will work with you if

that's a problem. This allows him to treat children for free. However, I see on

his schedule that he will be in Vegas in July and that those appts are for

charity and will cost only $3750 total. If you can hold out that long, I'd say

jump the heck ON it!

He also gives precedence to his referrals rather than anonymous internet

clients, so if you (or any of you here) want to book with him, be sure to tell

him I sent you.

xxoo

>

> , how long did Kurt work on you and how long afterwards did you find

> yourself in remission? I see the deposit is $2K. How much more does his

> session cost? I would be hard pressed to come up with the 2K.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Toni D

>

>

> From: melizzard11

>

> www.cancertouch.com

>

> Kurt is his name and he's flat-out amazing, IMO. Anything in

> particular you would like to know about my experience?

>

> xxoo

>

>