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Jody,

Your symptoms are all too familiar. Anxiety, lack of interest in

sex, quality of life suffered (feelings of vulnerability, fatigue), I

understand. At 45 after already undergoing a few years of declining

health when my T was tested I was at 280 (350 was considered low on

my labs). On a second diagnostic test I went up to 327. Symptoms

never changed I felt horrible.

Gels worked for me temporarily (about eight weeks), went all the way

to three packs a day over the next four months and my levels would

not go up and in fact went below my original diagnostic test. I

switched to injections and it took about three months (weekly shots

100mg) but the consistency of my improvement had begun!

I also understand the burden of life-long commitment to this stuff.

Even after three years I still have doubts -- what if?

I hate it. I hate the dependence. But when I am in doubt I dig all

the way back to my worst days and I realize it was the right call.

The costs, or " losses " or downside of T Replacement that can

overwhelm me today are quickly (most of the time) beaten back.

Today I do not have to take any other medications and I have no

anxiety, no night sweats, sex ok, but most of all I just feel

beter. I do try to eat well and I do exercise. But I know at the

end of it all that the T injections are helping me.

You still need good doctors, ongoing testing, and the confidence of

those tests to keep you going. Pursue good doctors until you find

one! Find a good one and I know that is easier said than done but

failure is not an option.

Darrell

>

> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the

best

> support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

> problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to

Phil

> through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

> thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39

years

> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be

long I

> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

> because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

>

> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable

difference

> in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife,

when

> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would

move

> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks,

real

> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat

when it

> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that

might be

> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology

board

> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me

that I

> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight

prompted

> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

>

> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

> Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that

should

> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I

waited.

> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this

year.

> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it

all up

> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of

Hypogonadism, I

> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn

to.

> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic.

He

> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

> came back normal.

>

> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day.

After

> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last

test

> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

> well below the labs lower range.

>

> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that

bad

> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it?

It was

> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do.

So,

> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think

I've

> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them

I'm

> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all

really

> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some

form,

> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

> against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

> Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

>

> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while

longer

> and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should

have

> been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack

it's

> not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life,

it's

> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I

will.

>

> I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

> listening.

>

> Jody

>

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Jody

 

You did the right thing to take steps to figure things out.  Don't question

yourself or feel like you should have waited.  All of us had to begin to take

control and get back our life and sense of well-being.  Up front, all of us have

found out the one of the biggest obstacles in the beginning is finding a good

Doctor who understands.  For most of us, we tried more than one.  Another thing

that many of us have learned from Phil and others is that the gel or creams seem

to work in the beginning but seem to drop off in the long run.  So your story

isn't different from most of ours.  Proper administration of testosterone

and keeping E2 balanced can be achieved under the supervision of a good Doctor. 

Your on the right road however, it still may take some time to get where you

need to be. 

 

We join you so your not alone.  Good luck.

 

Dan

 

   

From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

Subject: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:08 PM

Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the best

support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to Phil

through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks, real

bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat when it

comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that might be

the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology board

about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me that I

sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight prompted

me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that should

have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this year.

Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it all up

to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of Hypogonadism, I

went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn to.

He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

came back normal.

So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day. After

about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

well below the labs lower range.

Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it? It was

in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do. So,

I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while longer

and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should have

been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack it's

not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

listening.

Jody

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Hi Sky,

It's a normal emotion to think " what have I done " , but I would consider

yourself fortunate to have started replacement hormone at a relatively

young age.

The misfortune to be a low testosterone male for many years can add to

heart disease, Alzheimer's, and many more diseases. T makes a big

difference in all aspects of your life, not just the bedroom.

I am a male, aged 51, and started on T shots almost a year ago. My level

was down to 275, of course my HMO said that was normal and recommended

Prozac. I sought out an anti aging doc after Phil and others pointed out

my T level was the same as a group of 105 year old men!

I do feel much better now, more strength, don't fall asleep right after

dinner, can multi task better, am more relaxed, good erections (no more

excuses that I'm too tired, etc). My wife is also on replacement

hormones and she has similar improvements in her life.

You really should consider shots, the gels very often give big problems.

I give myself a small shot with a 28ga needle twice a week and take a

small tablet to control E. I also source HCG from an online overseas

pharmacy, and take many vitamins and fish oil.

I recommend this video, it will open your eyes...

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=26130

I wish you well,

Neil

skywalker45_99 wrote:

>

> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the best

> support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

> problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to Phil

> through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

> thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

> because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

>

> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

> in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks, real

> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat when it

> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that might be

> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology board

> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me that I

> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight prompted

> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

>

> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

> Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that should

> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this year.

> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it all up

> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn to.

> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

> came back normal.

>

> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day. After

> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

> well below the labs lower range.

>

> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it? It was

> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do. So,

> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

> against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

> Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

>

> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while longer

> and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should have

> been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack it's

> not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

>

> I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

> listening.

>

> Jody

>

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I am sorry your still having a time of it but it gets better if you can get some

Indolplex/DIM and take one tablet at dinner time this will bring down your E2

levels and your panic attacks will stop I had the same problems and it was my E2

levels were to high. Now that your up on your dose you should start feeling

better. But if your E2 is very high this will hold you back. You can try and

test your E2 first but using DIM and checking with me when you start it you

don't need to test it. I can help you to not go to low.

http://www.myvitanet.com/indolplex-with-dim-60-tab-phytopharmica.html

Email me if you need to I am here for you guys.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> Subject: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

>

> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:08 PM

> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are

> probably the best

> support network on the whole web for guys who are having

> hormonal

> problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than

> talking to Phil

> through email, I really haven't shared my whole story.

> I was just

> thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT

> at 39 years

> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post

> will be long I

> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all

> out there

> because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you

> guys.

>

> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> considerable difference

> in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my

> wife, when

> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> wasn't all that

> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts

> would move

> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety

> attacks, real

> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so

> I'm old hat when it

> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought

> that might be

> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the

> urology board

> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and

> told me that I

> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's

> insight prompted

> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

>

> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328

> (241-827) .

> Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things

> that should

> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I

> was very

> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So,

> I waited.

> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October

> of this year.

> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to

> consider

> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she

> chalked it all up

> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and

> I'd just had

> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of

> Hypogonadism, I

> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time

> to turn to.

> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very

> empathetic. He

> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff

> which all

> came back normal.

>

> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg

> Testim a day. After

> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now

> my last test

> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at

> 3.7. Both

> well below the labs lower range.

>

> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really

> feel that bad

> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed

> with it? It was

> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I

> going to do. So,

> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My

> docs don't

> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I

> think I've

> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of

> them. Them I'm

> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H

> and H

> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's

> just all really

> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> this, in some form,

> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And

> I'm fighting

> against a medical community who still question whether

> Testosterone

> Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

>

> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a

> while longer

> and not did anything until all the tests were run when they

> should have

> been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a

> panic attack it's

> not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder

> all my life, it's

> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then

> I have no meds for

> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I

> know I will.

>

> I hope you can all understand this message and that it

> doesn't sound

> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now.

> Thank you all for

> listening.

>

> Jody

>

>

>

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Thanks for the info Neil. Most docs always want to do gels first no

matter what. At least that's my experience so far. If this 100mg

Testim doesn't get me into range then we're gonna switch to shots and

I'm gonna see my regular doc about an AI to help with estradiol

problems. At this point I'd rather be on shots but feel I should give

the gels a chance first but no doubt I'll end up on shots since most

people do. Again, thank you for the encouragement. It means a lot.

Jody

> >

> > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the

best

> > support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

> > problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking

to Phil

> > through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

> > thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

> > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

> > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

> > because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

> >

> > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

> > in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

> > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

> > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

> > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety

attacks, real

> > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat

when it

> > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that

might be

> > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology

board

> > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me

that I

> > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight

prompted

> > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

> >

> > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

> > Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that

should

> > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

> > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

> > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this

year.

> > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

> > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it

all up

> > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

> > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of

Hypogonadism, I

> > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to

turn to.

> > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

> > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

> > came back normal.

> >

> > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day.

After

> > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

> > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

> > well below the labs lower range.

> >

> > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

> > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it?

It was

> > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to

do. So,

> > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

> > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

> > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

> > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

> > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

> > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

> > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

> > against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

> > Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

> >

> > Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while

longer

> > and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should

have

> > been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic

attack it's

> > not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

> > going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

> > that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

> >

> > I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

> > ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

> > listening.

> >

> > Jody

> >

> >

> >

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Hey Jody -

 

Well the bottom line is we have to take action on our own because most of the

medical community is still in the 1980's on HRT for men. Hell we are still

learning today and probably don't know the perfect fix yet. Personnally, i think

that the topical applications are marginal at best for the general population.

Unless your T is > 500 ng/dl you are wasting your time. This is the minimum

amount needed to get erections and maintain a healthy level. A more benefical

value is probably around 750. We all react differently so the bigger problem

seems to be E2 management. All the T in the world is not going to help you if

your E2 is too high or too low - its a balance act. The human body loves

consistency. Therefore you have to be able to know the signs of hormonal

imbalance which just takes time and experimentation. I advocate injections

- much more reliable and repeatable. Arimidex for me is a must and Cialis for

those times that I get out of balance.

Phil turned me on to a more theraputic method of dosing rather than " when the

moment is right " . You have to have a doctor that will work with you - they are

liable so you can understand their reluctance to go out on a limb - that is why

you have to be educated on the biochemistry behind this issue and prove to them

you know what your talking about - that way they will trust you.

 

Your are right about this group - what a God send!!!!!!! - Good luck brother and

keep us posted. - Arkansas 

From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

Subject: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the best

support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to Phil

through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks, real

bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat when it

comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that might be

the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology board

about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me that I

sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight prompted

me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that should

have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this year.

Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it all up

to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of Hypogonadism, I

went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn to.

He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

came back normal.

So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day. After

about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

well below the labs lower range.

Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it? It was

in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do. So,

I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while longer

and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should have

been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack it's

not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

listening.

Jody

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Hey Dan -- Thanks for the reply. One thing I forgot to mention is that

one of my docs is a woman. The good thing about that is she

understands hormonal issues better than most men and she's even told

me that " Low testosterone is becoming epidemic. I've never seen so

many men with low testosterone. " Those are her exact words. She favors

injections but my uro favors gels, for now anyway. So, I have an ace

in the hole if I need it plus I think my regular doc would take

estradiol more seriously and would be more apt to prescribe A-dex if

needed, etc. I've found that having a group of docs is better than

having one, but I've also promised myself that if they stop listening

to me, or pull any crap I'm going to doctor . And I mean that.

Thanks again for the support Dan.

btw--I was still getting erections (for sex anyway, not morning wood)

at a total T of 292. I guess everyone is very different. Never used ED

meds but my uro gave me a whole bunch of free Viagra if I need it. Too

bad the wife doesn't want sex! Her hormones are totally fried! She

needs about 8 docs to help her.

Jody

>

> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> Subject: Beginning to wonder if I should have started

TRT...

>

> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the best

> support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

> problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to Phil

> through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

> thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

> because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

>

> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

> in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks, real

> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat when it

> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that might be

> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology board

> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me that I

> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight prompted

> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

>

> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

> Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that should

> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this year.

> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it all up

> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn to.

> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

> came back normal.

>

> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day. After

> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

> well below the labs lower range.

>

> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it? It was

> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do. So,

> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

> against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

> Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

>

> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while longer

> and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should have

> been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack it's

> not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

>

> I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

> listening.

>

> Jody

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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The comment about your wifes hormones being " totally

fried " mad me laugh real hard !...that was funny...

Elrick

--- skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...> wrote:

> Hey Dan -- Thanks for the reply. One thing I forgot

> to mention is that

> one of my docs is a woman. The good thing about that

> is she

> understands hormonal issues better than most men and

> she's even told

> me that " Low testosterone is becoming epidemic. I've

> never seen so

> many men with low testosterone. " Those are her exact

> words. She favors

> injections but my uro favors gels, for now anyway.

> So, I have an ace

> in the hole if I need it plus I think my regular doc

> would take

> estradiol more seriously and would be more apt to

> prescribe A-dex if

> needed, etc. I've found that having a group of docs

> is better than

> having one, but I've also promised myself that if

> they stop listening

> to me, or pull any crap I'm going to doctor .

> And I mean that.

> Thanks again for the support Dan.

>

> btw--I was still getting erections (for sex anyway,

> not morning wood)

> at a total T of 292. I guess everyone is very

> different. Never used ED

> meds but my uro gave me a whole bunch of free Viagra

> if I need it. Too

> bad the wife doesn't want sex! Her hormones are

> totally fried! She

> needs about 8 docs to help her.

>

> Jody

>

>

> >

> > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> should have started

> TRT...

> >

> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> are probably the best

> > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> having hormonal

> > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> Other than talking to Phil

> > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> story. I was just

> > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> starting TRT at 39 years

> > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> post will be long I

> > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> it all out there

> > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> be you guys.

> >

> > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> considerable difference

> > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> sex with my wife, when

> > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> wasn't all that

> > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> thoughts would move

> > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> anxiety attacks, real

> > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> so I'm old hat when it

> > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> thought that might be

> > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> WebMD in the urology board

> > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> me and told me that I

> > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> Phil's insight prompted

> > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> panel.

> >

> > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> was 328 (241-827) .

> > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> other things that should

> > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> was it. I was very

> > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> recheck. So, I waited.

> > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> October of this year.

> > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> for her to consider

> > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> she chalked it all up

> > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> and I'd just had

> > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> the time to turn to.

> > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> very empathetic. He

> > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> and stuff which all

> > came back normal.

> >

> > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> 100mg Testim a day. After

> > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> but now my last test

> > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> free T at 3.7. Both

> > well below the labs lower range.

> >

> > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> really feel that bad

> > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> managed with it? It was

> > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> was I going to do. So,

> > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> learning. My docs don't

> > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> stuff but I think I've

> > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> three of them. Them I'm

> > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> too high, H and H

> > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> It's just all really

> > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> this, in some form,

> > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> And I'm fighting

> > against a medical community who still question

> whether Testosterone

> > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> Arrggghhhh!!

> >

>

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Yeah, it is funny and I make fun of her. She takes it in stride. She's

a hormonal mess. I hope they get her straightened out. It sux thinking

your sex life will end at the tender age of 39!

> > >

> > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > should have started

> > TRT...

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > are probably the best

> > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > having hormonal

> > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > Other than talking to Phil

> > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > story. I was just

> > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > post will be long I

> > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > it all out there

> > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > be you guys.

> > >

> > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > considerable difference

> > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > sex with my wife, when

> > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > wasn't all that

> > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > thoughts would move

> > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > anxiety attacks, real

> > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > so I'm old hat when it

> > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > thought that might be

> > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > WebMD in the urology board

> > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > me and told me that I

> > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > Phil's insight prompted

> > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > panel.

> > >

> > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > other things that should

> > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > was it. I was very

> > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > October of this year.

> > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > for her to consider

> > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > she chalked it all up

> > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > and I'd just had

> > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > the time to turn to.

> > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > very empathetic. He

> > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > and stuff which all

> > > came back normal.

> > >

> > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > but now my last test

> > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > well below the labs lower range.

> > >

> > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > really feel that bad

> > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > managed with it? It was

> > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > was I going to do. So,

> > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > learning. My docs don't

> > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > stuff but I think I've

> > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > three of them. Them I'm

> > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > too high, H and H

> > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > It's just all really

> > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > this, in some form,

> > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > And I'm fighting

> > > against a medical community who still question

> > whether Testosterone

> > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > Arrggghhhh!!

> > >

> >

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yep..tell me about it...I will fight this to the end

though..

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--- skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...> wrote:

> Yeah, it is funny and I make fun of her. She takes

> it in stride. She's

> a hormonal mess. I hope they get her straightened

> out. It sux thinking

> your sex life will end at the tender age of 39!

>

>

> > > >

> > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if

> I

> > > should have started

> > > TRT...

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know

> you

> > > are probably the best

> > > > support network on the whole web for guys who

> are

> > > having hormonal

> > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > through email, I really haven't shared my

> whole

> > > story. I was just

> > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why.

> This

> > > post will be long I

> > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to

> get

> > > it all out there

> > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it

> will

> > > be you guys.

> > > >

> > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > considerable difference

> > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to

> have

> > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > wasn't all that

> > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but

> my

> > > thoughts would move

> > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I

> had

> > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years

> old

> > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy

> and

> > > thought that might be

> > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to

> answer

> > > me and told me that I

> > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my

> age.

> > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > panel.

> > > >

> > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total

> Testosterone

>

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I agree that everyone seems to be different. I had good wood when my

total testosterone was tested at 140 in my late 30s. When patches shot

my estradiol high, I still had good wood - the only problems then was

night sweats and doctors didn't have a clue about that. I solved the

problems with arimidex after I got a prescription for 30 pills from an

endo who thought the best way to manage high estradiol was with

preemptive surgical breast removal. Yea, right. I ordered from

international sources after that and used to divide the pills into 8ths

and take 1/8th a day. His logic was if I had the surgery then I

wouldn't have to concern myself with high estradiol. And this guy was a

doctor? I fixed the problem with my switch to injections but I didn't

know it until I ran into high estradiol information years later, but I

took the arimidex for about 2 years.

Steve

skywalker45_99 wrote:

> Hey Dan -- Thanks for the reply. One thing I forgot to mention is that

> one of my docs is a woman. The good thing about that is she

> understands hormonal issues better than most men and she's even told

> me that " Low testosterone is becoming epidemic. I've never seen so

> many men with low testosterone. " Those are her exact words. She favors

> injections but my uro favors gels, for now anyway. So, I have an ace

> in the hole if I need it plus I think my regular doc would take

> estradiol more seriously and would be more apt to prescribe A-dex if

> needed, etc. I've found that having a group of docs is better than

> having one, but I've also promised myself that if they stop listening

> to me, or pull any crap I'm going to doctor . And I mean that.

> Thanks again for the support Dan.

>

> btw--I was still getting erections (for sex anyway, not morning wood)

> at a total T of 292. I guess everyone is very different. Never used ED

> meds but my uro gave me a whole bunch of free Viagra if I need it. Too

> bad the wife doesn't want sex! Her hormones are totally fried! She

> needs about 8 docs to help her.

>

> Jody

>

>

>>

>> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

>> Subject: Beginning to wonder if I should have started

> TRT...

>>

>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you are probably the best

>> support network on the whole web for guys who are having hormonal

>> problems or at least even feel like they are. Other than talking to Phil

>> through email, I really haven't shared my whole story. I was just

>> thinking on the way home from work tonight if starting TRT at 39 years

>> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This post will be long I

>> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get it all out there

>> because I know if anyone will understand, it will be you guys.

>>

>> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a considerable difference

>> in my quality of life. I was still able to have sex with my wife, when

>> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just wasn't all that

>> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my thoughts would move

>> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had anxiety attacks, real

>> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old so I'm old hat when it

>> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and thought that might be

>> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to WebMD in the urology board

>> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer me and told me that I

>> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age. Phil's insight prompted

>> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone panel.

>>

>> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone was 328 (241-827) .

>> Free T was not measured as were neither of the other things that should

>> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that was it. I was very

>> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would recheck. So, I waited.

>> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in October of this year.

>> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough for her to consider

>> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and she chalked it all up

>> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time and I'd just had

>> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY symptom of Hypogonadism, I

>> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at the time to turn to.

>> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was very empathetic. He

>> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin and stuff which all

>> came back normal.

>>

>> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on 100mg Testim a day. After

>> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman, but now my last test

>> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and free T at 3.7. Both

>> well below the labs lower range.

>>

>> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I really feel that bad

>> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have managed with it? It was

>> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what was I going to do. So,

>> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of learning. My docs don't

>> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that stuff but I think I've

>> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are three of them. Them I'm

>> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting too high, H and H

>> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes. It's just all really

>> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do this, in some form,

>> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal. And I'm fighting

>> against a medical community who still question whether Testosterone

>> Replacement is safe and all that crap! Arrggghhhh!!

>>

>> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had waited a while longer

>> and not did anything until all the tests were run when they should have

>> been because now it's just too late. Now when I have a panic attack it's

>> not going to be because I've had an anxiety disorder all my life, it's

>> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! " And then I have no meds for

>> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with but I know I will.

>>

>> I hope you can all understand this message and that it doesn't sound

>> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling right now. Thank you all for

>> listening.

>>

>> Jody

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I feel any of us on TRT need to keep an EYE on Estradiol " E2 " and your best bet

is to keep it down if it gets high. I know for a fact when levels are off high

or low it messes with your Adrenals and Thyroid hormones.

When I seen the Heat Dr. yesterday he asked me if I have breast cancer because

on my meds list I had Arimidex on it. I told him my story how it kills my sex

life and give me ED that is need to keep it right in the Zone not to high or to

low and that I gage it by my night time and morning wood.

He told me he has not see much on studies about this but read that allot of the

Arimidex that is sold is sold to men. He told me he is going to remember this

about E2 in men. And he said my wood will be a lot better when the fix my

heart.

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Phil

> > Hey Dan -- Thanks for the reply. One thing I forgot to

> mention is that

> > one of my docs is a woman. The good thing about that

> is she

> > understands hormonal issues better than most men and

> she's even told

> > me that " Low testosterone is becoming epidemic.

> I've never seen so

> > many men with low testosterone. " Those are her

> exact words. She favors

> > injections but my uro favors gels, for now anyway. So,

> I have an ace

> > in the hole if I need it plus I think my regular doc

> would take

> > estradiol more seriously and would be more apt to

> prescribe A-dex if

> > needed, etc. I've found that having a group of

> docs is better than

> > having one, but I've also promised myself that if

> they stop listening

> > to me, or pull any crap I'm going to doctor .

> And I mean that.

> > Thanks again for the support Dan.

> >

> > btw--I was still getting erections (for sex anyway,

> not morning wood)

> > at a total T of 292. I guess everyone is very

> different. Never used ED

> > meds but my uro gave me a whole bunch of free Viagra

> if I need it. Too

> > bad the wife doesn't want sex! Her hormones are

> totally fried! She

> > needs about 8 docs to help her.

> >

> > Jody

> >

> >

> >>

> >> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> >> Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> should have started

> > TRT...

> >>

> >> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> are probably the best

> >> support network on the whole web for guys who are

> having hormonal

> >> problems or at least even feel like they are.

> Other than talking to Phil

> >> through email, I really haven't shared my

> whole story. I was just

> >> thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> starting TRT at 39 years

> >> of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why.

> This post will be long I

> >> can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> it all out there

> >> because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> be you guys.

> >>

> >> When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> considerable difference

> >> in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> sex with my wife, when

> >> she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> wasn't all that

> >> interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> thoughts would move

> >> away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> anxiety attacks, real

> >> bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years

> old so I'm old hat when it

> >> comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> thought that might be

> >> the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> WebMD in the urology board

> >> about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> me and told me that I

> >> sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> Phil's insight prompted

> >> me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> panel.

> >>

> >> So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> was 328 (241-827) .

> >> Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> other things that should

> >> have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> was it. I was very

> >> symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> recheck. So, I waited.

> >> Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> October of this year.

> >> Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> for her to consider

> >> helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> she chalked it all up

> >> to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> and I'd just had

> >> enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> >> went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> the time to turn to.

> >> He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> very empathetic. He

> >> started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> and stuff which all

> >> came back normal.

> >>

> >> So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> 100mg Testim a day. After

> >> about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> but now my last test

> >> on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> free T at 3.7. Both

> >> well below the labs lower range.

> >>

> >> Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did

> I really feel that bad

> >> when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> managed with it? It was

> >> in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> was I going to do. So,

> >> I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> learning. My docs don't

> >> know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> stuff but I think I've

> >> got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> three of them. Them I'm

> >> fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> too high, H and H

> >> getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> It's just all really

> >> insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have

> to do this, in some form,

> >> for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> And I'm fighting

> >> against a medical community who still question

> whether Testosterone

> >> Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> Arrggghhhh!!

> >>

> >> Sorry guys, I just had to vent! I just wish I had

> waited a while longer

> >> and not did anything until all the tests were run

> when they should have

> >> been because now it's just too late. Now when

> I have a panic attack it's

> >> not going to be because I've had an anxiety

> disorder all my life, it's

> >> going to be -- " Man my E2 must be high! "

> And then I have no meds for

> >> that and all that crap I hate to have to deal with

> but I know I will.

> >>

> >> I hope you can all understand this message and

> that it doesn't sound

> >> ridiculous. It's just what I'm feeling

> right now. Thank you all for

> >> listening.

> >>

> >> Jody

>

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

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> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

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> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

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I have read all of the comments to this date and have to jump in.

It is true many women loose their interest in sex early in life and

very little is done by the medical community to examine their hormone

levels. " Moody women " is somehow a given and normal.

When their periods stop, some doctors will suggest HRT but even then

it used to be rare if T levels were checked and both hormones offered

to restore their earlier hormone levels. Many women, as high as 15% -

20% also can have problems getting any benefit from oral medication as

their liver will not metabolize the oral meds into hormone in the

blood stream.

My wife suffered from severe symptoms of menopause 1 1/2 years while

taking oral medications and told it was all in her head, she was

psychosomatic, or crazy needing to be examined by a psychiatrist when

he had never tested her hormone levels to see if she was benefiting

from his prescribed medication.

Thanks to a friend that found an article in a newspaper on this

subject we found her a doctor the provided hormone pellet therapy and

both T and E were provided. I had my wife back in a week after she

also received a booster shot of each.

As a result of exposure to this endocrinologist I also began hormone

pellet therapy, TRT, in 1991 at 60 and continue today, elated that I

have found some way to receive what I need to enjoy life. I also

require a little thyroid to keep my level normal and see both of these

hormones as essential to my well being for the rest of my life.

We have to travel to Augusta GA to receive such therapy and it is a

full days drive every 4 months.

I am here trying to stimulate more interest in pellet therapy for both

men and women, because it will happen if more people insist on pellets.

ernestnolan

> > > >

> > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > should have started

> > > TRT...

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > are probably the best

> > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > having hormonal

> > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > story. I was just

> > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > post will be long I

> > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > it all out there

> > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > be you guys.

> > > >

> > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > considerable difference

> > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > wasn't all that

> > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > thoughts would move

> > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > thought that might be

> > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > me and told me that I

> > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > panel.

> > > >

> > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > other things that should

> > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > was it. I was very

> > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > October of this year.

> > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > for her to consider

> > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > she chalked it all up

> > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > and I'd just had

> > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > the time to turn to.

> > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > very empathetic. He

> > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > and stuff which all

> > > > came back normal.

> > > >

> > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > but now my last test

> > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > >

> > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > really feel that bad

> > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > managed with it? It was

> > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > too high, H and H

> > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > It's just all really

> > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > this, in some form,

> > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > And I'm fighting

> > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > whether Testosterone

> > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > >

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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But what does a man do when he's not interested in sex and his wife is so

horny she won't leave him alone? Even the idea of touching her now totally

repulses me that I feel sick.

2008/11/26 ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...>

> I have read all of the comments to this date and have to jump in.

>

> It is true many women loose their interest in sex early in life and

> very little is done by the medical community to examine their hormone

> levels. " Moody women " is somehow a given and normal.

>

> When their periods stop, some doctors will suggest HRT but even then

> it used to be rare if T levels were checked and both hormones offered

> to restore their earlier hormone levels. Many women, as high as 15% -

> 20% also can have problems getting any benefit from oral medication as

> their liver will not metabolize the oral meds into hormone in the

> blood stream.

>

> My wife suffered from severe symptoms of menopause 1 1/2 years while

> taking oral medications and told it was all in her head, she was

> psychosomatic, or crazy needing to be examined by a psychiatrist when

> he had never tested her hormone levels to see if she was benefiting

> from his prescribed medication.

>

> Thanks to a friend that found an article in a newspaper on this

> subject we found her a doctor the provided hormone pellet therapy and

> both T and E were provided. I had my wife back in a week after she

> also received a booster shot of each.

>

> As a result of exposure to this endocrinologist I also began hormone

> pellet therapy, TRT, in 1991 at 60 and continue today, elated that I

> have found some way to receive what I need to enjoy life. I also

> require a little thyroid to keep my level normal and see both of these

> hormones as essential to my well being for the rest of my life.

>

> We have to travel to Augusta GA to receive such therapy and it is a

> full days drive every 4 months.

>

> I am here trying to stimulate more interest in pellet therapy for both

> men and women, because it will happen if more people insist on pellets.

>

> ernestnolan

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > should have started

> > > > TRT...

> > > > > < %40>

> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > are probably the best

> > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > having hormonal

> > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > story. I was just

> > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > post will be long I

> > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > it all out there

> > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > be you guys.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > considerable difference

> > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > thought that might be

> > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > panel.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > other things that should

> > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > October of this year.

> > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > for her to consider

> > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > came back normal.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > but now my last test

> > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > It's just all really

> > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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Thanks for the comments Nolan. Everything you say is true. I'm taking

my wife back to her regular gynecologist and we're going to sit down

and have a little talk. Hormonal balance is crucial in both the sexes

to be both healthy and enjoy a good sex life and there is nothing at

all wrong with HRT (though some docs out there think it's

unnecessary). My wife needs her T and E levels tested plus she is

hypothyroid which injects GREAT complications into the equation, etc.

etc.

All my wife's doc did was put her on prempro (the lowest dose) which

is just a combo of estrogen and progesterone. The problem with this

" one size fits all " pill is that she might not be hormonally able to

reverse aromatize the progesterone into testosterone etc. And with her

thyroid issues I'm sure I'm right. Thanks again for the comments Nolan.

> > > > >

> > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > should have started

> > > > TRT...

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > are probably the best

> > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > having hormonal

> > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > story. I was just

> > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > post will be long I

> > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > it all out there

> > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > be you guys.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > considerable difference

> > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > thought that might be

> > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > panel.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > other things that should

> > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > October of this year.

> > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > for her to consider

> > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > came back normal.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > but now my last test

> > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > It's just all really

> > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > >

> > > >

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Please allow me to jump in here too.   In a general statement, I think too often

the " it's all in your head " diagnosis is overused and possibly misused.  As a

hypo man, I believe often hormonal problems lead to psychological problems

including depression and lowered sex drive, just to name a few.   I know since I

have experienced them.  I was actually tired of hearing " it's all in your

head " .  NO  KIDDING it was in my head.  My T-level was so low there was nothing

in my head.  It is known and stated over and over again, we are given hormones

for a reason.   Without them and the multi function purpose they possess, the

human race would have ceased a million years ago.   I like to think of it this

way,  to reproduce we need to have sex.  To have sex we need the physical

aspects.   To have the physical aspect we need desire. ( what good is a woody if

you dont want to do something with it? )  To have desire we need urges.  To have

the

urge we need hormones.  You see where I am going with this.   The point I am

trying to make is hormones, especially testosterone play a vital role in the

human race.   It provides us a sense of balance.   There is nothing wrong with

it despite what some may think of the male sex drive.    No sex drive indicates

a concern.   I know but I am much better now. 

From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

Subject: Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:30 PM

Thanks for the comments Nolan. Everything you say is true. I'm taking

my wife back to her regular gynecologist and we're going to sit down

and have a little talk. Hormonal balance is crucial in both the sexes

to be both healthy and enjoy a good sex life and there is nothing at

all wrong with HRT (though some docs out there think it's

unnecessary) . My wife needs her T and E levels tested plus she is

hypothyroid which injects GREAT complications into the equation, etc.

etc.

All my wife's doc did was put her on prempro (the lowest dose) which

is just a combo of estrogen and progesterone. The problem with this

" one size fits all " pill is that she might not be hormonally able to

reverse aromatize the progesterone into testosterone etc. And with her

thyroid issues I'm sure I'm right. Thanks again for the comments Nolan.

> > > > >

> > > > > From: skywalker45_ 99 <skywalker45_ 99@>

> > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > should have started

> > > > TRT...

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > are probably the best

> > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > having hormonal

> > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > story. I was just

> > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > post will be long I

> > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > it all out there

> > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > be you guys.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > considerable difference

> > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > thought that might be

> > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > panel.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > other things that should

> > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > October of this year.

> > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > for her to consider

> > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > came back normal.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > but now my last test

> > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > It's just all really

> > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > >

> > > >

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WOW ! Good Job! I think you said it all right in a nutshell in

just one paragraph why hormones are so important and especially

testosterone, not just to men, but to women as well. Well said!

Hormones are the chemical messengers we need to do the things we

normally wouldn't know how to do or want to do, and you're right, we

would have been gone a million years ago without them not to mention

the health benefits they unlock within the cells themselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_ 99 <skywalker45_ 99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

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Thanks Sky, I dont want to sound as if I am venting since all of us guys are

somewhat in the same boat.   My statements are based upon my experiences and the

dealings with misinformed persons that really dont understand hypogonadism.  

For a long time I was actually believing I had a bonified mental illness,

something wrong with my brain.  The more I researched and sought treatment I

found it was and always been low T-levels.   I think the most important part and

all of us here know it, asking and receiving the proper diagnosis and

treatment.   So many times, as in my situation it went misdiagnosed.  Sure, I

have some anger issues; all related to the misdiagnosis.   I have discovered

thru my treatment that my anger is directly related to my birth defect (

undescended testes) and the lack of proper care afterwards along with the

constant testicular pain from botched surgeries that now leave me without

testes.  In essence, if I dont apply my

daily dose of Androgel I lose my ability to function as a human including

cognitive thinking, bone strength, erections, etc.   

   This is great and I am so thankful for this discussion group.   There have

been so many things I wanted to say but didnt know who to say them to.  I can do

that here. Thanks and take care.

From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

Subject: Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 3:46 PM

WOW ! Good Job! I think you said it all right in a nutshell in

just one paragraph why hormones are so important and especially

testosterone, not just to men, but to women as well. Well said!

Hormones are the chemical messengers we need to do the things we

normally wouldn't know how to do or want to do, and you're right, we

would have been gone a million years ago without them not to mention

the health benefits they unlock within the cells themselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_ 99 <skywalker45_ 99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

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Hi,

As I mentioned, the liver fails to metabolize oral medications

properly in some women and even though they take the oral meds, blood

tests need to be done to see what is reaching the blood stream.

ernestnolan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > >

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I could not believe how a chemical could effect my brain in such a

positive way as well as my body.

I almost felt a shock after starting TRT when a dress blew up or I

watched a woman walk down the steps. My sense of well being and even

my appearance at 77 is unusual for my age they say. I'm working about

25 hours/week at Lowe's and I'm the oldest guy in the store.

IS it just a chemical???

You outlined the reasons why a woman should also consider getting her

levels tested. The truth of it is, when a woman has no interest, she

is not motivated usually to seek a solution. Some women have however

done their homework and press their OB/GYN to give them hormone

pellets of T. It does work to increase their libido and it is

surprising how many doctors act like it is a religious thing or giving

whiskey to drunks or sex crazed perverts. Our doctor in NJ got kicked

off the list of doctors allowed to use the hospital for a time in the

80's because he provided hormone therapy. The assumptions were it was

illegal steroids.

ernestnolan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_ 99 <skywalker45_ 99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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Identify the source and reason for his contempt.  This is a toxin against the

heart.   'Ideas' are not always pure or righteous.  This is most un-natural for

a man to repulse cleaving to his wife.  Validate your self for if she wants to

be one with you and you don't.  You are the disconnect?

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From: Ian Samson <iansamson3@...>

Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:08:16 AM

Subject: Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

But what does a man do when he's not interested in sex and his wife is so

horny she won't leave him alone? Even the idea of touching her now totally

repulses me that I feel sick.

2008/11/26 ernestnolan <ernestnolan>

> I have read all of the comments to this date and have to jump in.

>

> It is true many women loose their interest in sex early in life and

> very little is done by the medical community to examine their hormone

> levels. " Moody women " is somehow a given and normal.

>

> When their periods stop, some doctors will suggest HRT but even then

> it used to be rare if T levels were checked and both hormones offered

> to restore their earlier hormone levels. Many women, as high as 15% -

> 20% also can have problems getting any benefit from oral medication as

> their liver will not metabolize the oral meds into hormone in the

> blood stream.

>

> My wife suffered from severe symptoms of menopause 1 1/2 years while

> taking oral medications and told it was all in her head, she was

> psychosomatic, or crazy needing to be examined by a psychiatrist when

> he had never tested her hormone levels to see if she was benefiting

> from his prescribed medication..

>

> Thanks to a friend that found an article in a newspaper on this

> subject we found her a doctor the provided hormone pellet therapy and

> both T and E were provided. I had my wife back in a week after she

> also received a booster shot of each.

>

> As a result of exposure to this endocrinologist I also began hormone

> pellet therapy, TRT, in 1991 at 60 and continue today, elated that I

> have found some way to receive what I need to enjoy life. I also

> require a little thyroid to keep my level normal and see both of these

> hormones as essential to my well being for the rest of my life.

>

> We have to travel to Augusta GA to receive such therapy and it is a

> full days drive every 4 months.

>

> I am here trying to stimulate more interest in pellet therapy for both

> men and women, because it will happen if more people insist on pellets.

>

> ernestnolan

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > From: skywalker45_ 99 <skywalker45_ 99@>

> > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > should have started

> > > > TRT...

> > > > > < % 40groups. com>

> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > are probably the best

> > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > having hormonal

> > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > story. I was just

> > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > post will be long I

> > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > it all out there

> > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > be you guys.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > considerable difference

> > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > thought that might be

> > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > panel.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > other things that should

> > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > October of this year.

> > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > for her to consider

> > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > came back normal.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > but now my last test

> > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > It's just all really

> > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> >

>

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You need to put your self in her shoes I felt like this with bad ED for 10 yrs I

made it a point to keep track of when I need to take care of her on a log. I

used a penis pump and penis ring to keep it up to take care of her at this time

I could not even reach an orgasm. I never told her this I told her the seamen

when into my bladder because of the ring.

If you can't do this for her see someone you need some help with this I did.

Get all your labs tested Total, Free Testosterone and make sure there are up

into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and keep your Estradiol down between 10 to

30 best at 20 pg/ml. It was high Estradiol that took my sex life for 10 yrs

getting it down I was fine until my heart got blocked up. When they fix this I

am told I will be like I am 30 yrs old and be albe to have sex.

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> From: Ian Samson <iansamson3@...>

> Subject: Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started

TRT...

>

> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 3:08 AM

> But what does a man do when he's not interested in sex

> and his wife is so

> horny she won't leave him alone? Even the idea of

> touching her now totally

> repulses me that I feel sick.

>

> 2008/11/26 ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...>

>

> > I have read all of the comments to this date and

> have to jump in.

> >

> > It is true many women loose their interest in sex

> early in life and

> > very little is done by the medical community to

> examine their hormone

> > levels. " Moody women " is somehow a given and

> normal.

> >

> > When their periods stop, some doctors will suggest HRT

> but even then

> > it used to be rare if T levels were checked and both

> hormones offered

> > to restore their earlier hormone levels. Many women,

> as high as 15% -

> > 20% also can have problems getting any benefit from

> oral medication as

> > their liver will not metabolize the oral meds into

> hormone in the

> > blood stream.

> >

> > My wife suffered from severe symptoms of menopause 1

> 1/2 years while

> > taking oral medications and told it was all in her

> head, she was

> > psychosomatic, or crazy needing to be examined by a

> psychiatrist when

> > he had never tested her hormone levels to see if she

> was benefiting

> > from his prescribed medication.

> >

> > Thanks to a friend that found an article in a

> newspaper on this

> > subject we found her a doctor the provided hormone

> pellet therapy and

> > both T and E were provided. I had my wife back in a

> week after she

> > also received a booster shot of each.

> >

> > As a result of exposure to this endocrinologist I also

> began hormone

> > pellet therapy, TRT, in 1991 at 60 and continue today,

> elated that I

> > have found some way to receive what I need to enjoy

> life. I also

> > require a little thyroid to keep my level normal and

> see both of these

> > hormones as essential to my well being for the rest of

> my life.

> >

> > We have to travel to Augusta GA to receive such

> therapy and it is a

> > full days drive every 4 months.

> >

> > I am here trying to stimulate more interest in pellet

> therapy for both

> > men and women, because it will happen if more people

> insist on pellets.

> >

> > ernestnolan

> >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_99

> <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning

> to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > > To:

> < %40>

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008,

> 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you

> all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web

> for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel

> like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really

> haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work

> tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea.

> I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel

> like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will

> understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began

> to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still

> able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't

> have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I

> wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things

> very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since

> I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had

> a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems.

> I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the

> only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when

> he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38

> for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total

> Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were

> neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was

> normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a

> year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had

> my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still

> not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were

> getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get

> worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I

> had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the

> only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low

> for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and

> checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself --

> I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt

> like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed

> Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and

> asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did

> but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80

> years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still

> doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG

> and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them,

> since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too

> high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking

> up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today --

> I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order

> to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who

> still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that

> crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Ian Samson

> PC Specialist since DOS 2

> ---------------------------------------

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> and for the same

> reason.

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You should consider doing something to care for the sex goddess you

married as she deserves that. You got married expecting to have

someone to provide for your sexual needs and visa versa.

I understand your spouse can become uninspiring but you need to avoid

other alternative ways of satisfying your sex drive. Porn or letting

other women dominate your sexual interests is cheating on her in my

humble opinion.

If you don't have any interest at all it is time to get an

endocrinologist that deals with couple fertility to examine you. Has

it occurred to you that you need help?

Do your best by her.

ernestnolan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > > To:

< %40>

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Ian Samson

> PC Specialist since DOS 2

> ---------------------------------------

> Politicians are like diapers. They have to be changed often and for

the same

> reason.

>

>

>

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You should consider doing something to care for the sex goddess you

married as she deserves that. You got married expecting to have

someone to provide for your sexual needs and visa versa.

I understand your spouse can become uninspiring but you need to avoid

other alternative ways of satisfying your sex drive. Porn or letting

other women dominate your sexual interests is cheating on her in my

humble opinion.

If you don't have any interest at all it is time to get an

endocrinologist that deals with couple fertility to examine you. Has

it occurred to you that you need help?

Do your best by her.

ernestnolan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > > To:

< %40>

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why. This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself -- Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Ian Samson

> PC Specialist since DOS 2

> ---------------------------------------

> Politicians are like diapers. They have to be changed often and for

the same

> reason.

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Ernest what do you do with your sex drive when your wife cannot have sex anymore

because of back pain? That is my problem right now.

Roy 

 

From: ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...>

Subject: Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 10:24 PM

You should consider doing something to care for the sex goddess you

married as she deserves that. You got married expecting to have

someone to provide for your sexual needs and visa versa.

I understand your spouse can become uninspiring but you need to avoid

other alternative ways of satisfying your sex drive. Porn or letting

other women dominate your sexual interests is cheating on her in my

humble opinion.

If you don't have any interest at all it is time to get an

endocrinologist that deals with couple fertility to examine you. Has

it occurred to you that you need help?

Do your best by her.

ernestnolan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > should have started

> > > > > TRT...

> > > > > > To:

< %40>

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my

whole

> > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why.

This

> > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I

just

> > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I

had

> > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years

old

> > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy

and

> > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to

answer

> > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse

and

> > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this

time

> > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc

at

> > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and

was

> > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself --

Did I

> > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have

to do

> > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Ian Samson

> PC Specialist since DOS 2

> ---------------------------------------

> Politicians are like diapers. They have to be changed often and for

the same

> reason.

>

>

>

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