Re: Beginning to wonder if I should have started TRT...

[Guest guest]

I am no expert as everyone has figured out by now. This is very

different compared to when the man has lost his interest.

You only gave me a little of the story to work with so I'll pick up on

what you have already considered and tried or rejected. I wonder if

the back pain is yours or hers.

Is she able to get relief in any position? I assume intercourse causes

too much movement and thus pain. What has she suggested as an alternative?

As she can not move her spine, can she enjoy stimulation of any type?

I would consider giving her manual or oral or using toys to play with her.

Can she give oral stimulation or stroke you?

You must have already been through this list on your own. Can you tell

us more details even though we probably can not help?

ernestnolan

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> > > > > > > From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Beginning to wonder if I

> > > > > > should have started

> > > > > > TRT...

> > > > > > > To:

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> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 6:08 PM

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hey all you guys. I just want you all to know you

> > > > > > are probably the best

> > > > > > > support network on the whole web for guys who are

> > > > > > having hormonal

> > > > > > > problems or at least even feel like they are.

> > > > > > Other than talking to Phil

> > > > > > > through email, I really haven't shared my

> whole

> > > > > > story. I was just

> > > > > > > thinking on the way home from work tonight if

> > > > > > starting TRT at 39 years

> > > > > > > of age is even a good idea. I'll explain why.

> This

> > > > > > post will be long I

> > > > > > > can assure you but I just feel like I need to get

> > > > > > it all out there

> > > > > > > because I know if anyone will understand, it will

> > > > > > be you guys.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I turned 37 years old I began to notice a

> > > > > > considerable difference

> > > > > > > in my quality of life. I was still able to have

> > > > > > sex with my wife, when

> > > > > > > she wanted to, and I didn't have ED but I

> just

> > > > > > wasn't all that

> > > > > > > interested in sex. I felt like I wanted it but my

> > > > > > thoughts would move

> > > > > > > away from it onto other things very quickly. I

> had

> > > > > > anxiety attacks, real

> > > > > > > bad, and I've had those since I was 22 years

> old

> > > > > > so I'm old hat when it

> > > > > > > comes to those. I had recently had a vasectomy

> and

> > > > > > thought that might be

> > > > > > > the cause of some of my problems. I posted to

> > > > > > WebMD in the urology board

> > > > > > > about my symptoms. Phil was the only one to

> answer

> > > > > > me and told me that I

> > > > > > > sure reminded him of himself when he was my age.

> > > > > > Phil's insight prompted

> > > > > > > me to visit my doctor at age 38 for a hormone

> > > > > > panel.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, I did it. At the time my Total Testosterone

> > > > > > was 328 (241-827) .

> > > > > > > Free T was not measured as were neither of the

> > > > > > other things that should

> > > > > > > have been. My doc told me I was normal and that

> > > > > > was it. I was very

> > > > > > > symptomatic but she told me in a year we would

> > > > > > recheck. So, I waited.

> > > > > > > Symptoms got worse and then I had my last test in

> > > > > > October of this year.

> > > > > > > Total Testosterone was 292. Still not low enough

> > > > > > for her to consider

> > > > > > > helping me, but my symptoms were getting worse

> and

> > > > > > she chalked it all up

> > > > > > > to stress. My anxiety began to get worse this

> time

> > > > > > and I'd just had

> > > > > > > enough of feeling this way since I had EVERY

> > > > > > symptom of Hypogonadism, I

> > > > > > > went to my urologist who was the only other doc

> at

> > > > > > the time to turn to.

> > > > > > > He thought the 292 was very low for my age and

> was

> > > > > > very empathetic. He

> > > > > > > started me on Testim 50mg and checked prolactin

> > > > > > and stuff which all

> > > > > > > came back normal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, now here I am asking myself -- I'm now on

> > > > > > 100mg Testim a day. After

> > > > > > > about a week on Testim 50mg I felt like Superman,

> > > > > > but now my last test

> > > > > > > on Monday of this week showed Total T at 167 and

> > > > > > free T at 3.7. Both

> > > > > > > well below the labs lower range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, I'm backpeddling and asking myself --

> Did I

> > > > > > really feel that bad

> > > > > > > when my T was 328? I know I did but could I have

> > > > > > managed with it? It was

> > > > > > > in the range of a man over 80 years old but what

> > > > > > was I going to do. So,

> > > > > > > I began to learn and am still doing a lot of

> > > > > > learning. My docs don't

> > > > > > > know a lot -- like estradiol, SHBG and all that

> > > > > > stuff but I think I've

> > > > > > > got a plan to convinnce them, since there are

> > > > > > three of them. Them I'm

> > > > > > > fretting about E2 getting too high, DHT getting

> > > > > > too high, H and H

> > > > > > > getting too high, Nuts shrinking up like grapes.

> > > > > > It's just all really

> > > > > > > insane and it just hit me today -- I'll have

> to do

> > > > > > this, in some form,

> > > > > > > for the rest of my life in order to feel normal.

> > > > > > And I'm fighting

> > > > > > > against a medical community who still question

> > > > > > whether Testosterone

> > > > > > > Replacement is safe and all that crap!

> > > > > > Arrggghhhh!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > >

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> >

> > --

> > Ian Samson

> > PC Specialist since DOS 2

> > ---------------------------------------

> > Politicians are like diapers. They have to be changed often and for

> the same

> > reason.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can agree with the below analysis to a point.

Let's not forget that hormones drive us to reproduce and the quality

of sperm and egg declines with age, and the physical demands of

giving birth are better tolerated by most women when they are

younger. There is probably a natural built in " expiration date " that

causes hormonal decline, for a reason....so that we won't reproduce

offspring that are " defective " from low quality or defective

sperm/dna/egg.

Or hormones " learned " (evolved) to activate sex drive at an age when

people could physically give birth and care for a child. In really

ancient times this meant giving birth after 14 or so and taking care

of the child into one's mid-20's. People usually died in their mid

20's to mid 30s'. Old age, and sexual activity into old age was

never a problem thus there was no need (nor availability) for TRT

HRT, etc.

It is only because we are living longer, way beyond the natural

longevity of our hormones, and that we enjoy sex, and don't enjoy the

negative impacts of low hormones, that we are in this debacle.

Fortunately we have discovered hormones, what they do, side effects

if low or absent, and what to do about it...not completely but well

on the way. Obviously research into causes of cancer, lupis,

multiple sclerosis and a hundred other conditions is more vital than

pumping limited resources into fixing someone's sex life.

Unfortunately people love to think that a pill will fix anything and

the money making part of drug companies prey on this.

It boggles my mind to imagine how many people are taking Viagra/

Cialis etc. when their underlying issue is unbalanced hormones.

But, as everyone on this board knows, it is not just all about sexual

desire, sexual activity, or reproducing. While people are taking

pills " to get it up " unbalanced hormones in many people are

destroying the overall quality of life and ability to function as a

useful productive human being.

Personally I think once beyond child bearing age we as a society and

people place too much emphasis upon sexual desire, sexual activity

and sexual gratification. Sex Sex Sex. Then, the inability to live

up to high sexual expectations causes unhappiness, separations, and

divorce. There is more to life than sex. Oh sure, when it's good

it's good, but it's like waiting in line at Disneyland for hours to

enjoy a 3 minute ride. At what point is the ride not worth the wait.

Thus my personal philosophy with my doctor is to maintain a minimum

of testosterone to minimize risk with osteporosis, alzeheimers, loss

of memory, and maintain emotional and mental stability. Because my

objective is not to regain stallion-hood my expectations of TRT have

been met and on the rare occasions when sex happens, it's just an

unexpected and appreciated bonus. (of course I am 62 years old; I

would have different expectations if I were 38 YO.)

Everyone should disclose their age with each posting because I

believe that questions, answers, opinions, expectations and results

are very relative to age (among other things).

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> Please allow me to jump in here too.   In a general statement, I

think too often the " it's all in your head " diagnosis is overused and

possibly misused.  As a hypo man, I believe often hormonal problems

lead to psychological problems including depression and lowered sex

drive, just to name a few.   I know since I have experienced them.  I

was actually tired of hearing " it's all in your head " .  NO  KIDDING

it was in my head.  My T-level was so low there was nothing in my

head.  It is known and stated over and over again, we are given

hormones for a reason.   Without them and the multi function purpose

they possess, the human race would have ceased a million years ago.  

I like to think of it this way,  to reproduce we need to have sex. 

To have sex we need the physical aspects.   To have the physical

aspect we need desire. ( what good is a woody if you dont want to do

something with it? )  To have desire we need urges.  To have the

> urge we need hormones.  You see where I am going with this.   The

point I am trying to make is hormones, especially testosterone play a

vital role in the human race.   It provides us a sense of balance.  

There is nothing wrong with it despite what some may think of the

male sex drive.    No sex drive indicates a concern.   I know but I

am much better now. 

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