Re: Re: I don't think there is a tumor

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He got me thinking the same thing. It sounded much like he had a diagnosis and

knew my whole problem.

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From: colinpaulturner <colinpaulturner@...>

Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 5:23:40 PM

Subject: Re: I don't think there is a tumor

 

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> i have seen his lab work and not giving a diagnosis but a potential >scenerio

based up the information he provided.

Sorry, but your exact words were as follows:

" Your case is not that difficult. It stems from diet induced stress which

eventually end up burning out your adrenals. "

You sounded pretty sure that you knew what his problem was and what it stemmed

from. That sounds more like a definitive diagnosis to me than just a 'potential

scenario'. The word 'potential' didn't even enter into it.

We have to be really careful on this group not to tell people things which they

may then take as gospel, particularly when we're not completely sure. And you

weren't sure, were you? Otherwise you wouldn't have backtracked as you have now

and talked about a 'potential scenario'.

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[Guest guest]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:23:40 -0000, you wrote:

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>> i have seen his lab work and not giving a diagnosis but a potential >scenerio

based up the information he provided.

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>Sorry, but your exact words were as follows:

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> " Your case is not that difficult. It stems from diet induced stress which

eventually end up burning out your adrenals. "

This is a recurring problem in the forum. We all have to remember to

be clear when something is our opinion, or when we think something is

" likely " or " probable " . In the hast of quick replies we all forget

this on occasion.

There are a lot of very strong opinions here. And most of us base our

opinions on our personal experience - but the causes and paths these

conditions can take vary so much. We can never be certain about such

things.

We'd all do well to remember to spice our posts up with more

expressions like " from my experience " or " it may be " or " it's likely

that . . . "

From time to time I have seen new arrivals take misstated opinions as

fact and we have to be careful - this can lead to real damage on

occasion.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:11:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

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>Are prolactinomas the most common pituitary tumor?

Yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactinoma

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:37:08 -0000, you wrote:

>I would test your insulin levels. For god sakes you are barely getting any

protein. Your diet flat out sucks. You need to make cholesterol to make

hormones. You should be having 3 whole organic eggs every day. What is your

cholesterol profile look like? Eating choleseterol does not make cholesterol

thats a load of crap. Again if one examine lifestyle and nutritional pattern

one will find the imbalances that could be behind ones own decline of health.

I have read form many sources that very very little cholesterol is

needed to make appropriate levels of hormones. Most of the hormones

are generated and effective in parts per billion. And ordinarily the

body makes it more than enough cholesterol on its own. Dietary

supplementation is not necessary.

E.g.,

" There is little danger of cholesterol deficiency because it can be

manufactured in the liver from fats, carbohydrates, and proteins. "

http://www.answers.com/topic/cholesterol

http://www.uihealthcare.com/reports/cardiovascular/011203cholesterol.html

" Cholesterol is needed for cell wall functioning and for the

production of hormones, such as estrogen and testosterone, " said

Schrott. " However, the body naturally makes cholesterol in every cell,

so there is no absolute dietary need for it. "

Cholesterol is naturally produced by the liver and located in cell

walls. Lipoproteins, a combination of lipids (fats) and proteins, are

made in the liver and carries cholesterol, fats and fat-soluble

vitamins, among many other substances, to different parts of the body

that need it for energy and repairs.

[Guest guest]

If someone is very honest with a description of a problem they are having and

submit it to this group, then people like Phil or hardasnails can not only get

you on the playing field, but they can get you running toward the right bases. 

They know their game.  Take their advice, opinions or possible diagnosis as a

step toward better health.  And as always, you can consult your own physician.

 

Dan

From: colinpaulturner <colinpaulturner@...>

Subject: Re: I don't think there is a tumor

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 5:38 PM

 

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> Relating personal and clincal expereince is not diagnosising.

Friend, I repeat what I said before. Your exact words - and they are there for

all to see - were:

" Your case is not that difficult. It stems from diet induced stress which

eventually end up burning out your adrenals. "

Now while this may indeed be based on your experience of similar cases, the fact

remains that it sounds very much like a definitive opinion or diagnosis. Even

the guy in question said that he felt you were diagnosing him.

I don't doubt your personal and clinical experience, but your words were

potentially very misleading.