Re: Extremely low T Levels

January 5, 2008

Get a copy of your labs and post them with the units and ranges. I believer one

needs to know why they are low before going on testosterone meds. Becasuse

after you start on them it's for life and a lot of times it can be something

that is wrong and if it is fixed the levels go back up.

Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for success in this are

tests you need and why.

I have seen men with high levels of Estradiol that got it down and there

testosterone levels come back up. One guy had a bad infection in his tooth

rootcanal had the tooth pulled and his levels come back up.

myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all the

time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms of

low T.

Thanks

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January 5, 2008

You are 43?! In the American unit?!!

Go on allthingsformale.com

And go on the TRT page, and you should read all of

that. It will also give a full panel of what you need

to get measured.

The important parts to get started with are:

-Free/Total Testosterone

-Estrogen (or spelt Oestrodiol) (female hormone)

-LH

-FSH

(Read the link)

Get this checked. On top have you tried Viagra or

Caverject? Try some Viagra first, and see what

happens.

However your very low testosterone is a clear sign of

your impotence. You could be on TRT like other guys on

here.

--- myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I

> am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a

> general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will

> begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an

> extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid

> of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be

> impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own.

> I see docs all the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention

> this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the

> classic symptoms of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

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January 6, 2008

Welcome to the group - 44 is low but we need to know the units and range of the

test. I fyou ask your Dr for a copy of the results they will give it to you. Did

they run any other test like prolactin, Lutenizing hormone or estradiol? If not

you need to get retested with the appropriate hormones to try to figure out what

your problem is. There is a lot of experience here on this forum and we can help

you get back on track. Unfortunately, this is a rare enough condition that most

doctors do not know much about it. We have learned through a lot of trial and

error and from the body builders. Good luck and keep us posted.

Arkansas

myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all the

time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms of

low T.

Thanks

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January 6, 2008

43 is indeed very low. Mine at it's lowest was 130 and I could hardly

move and I cried all the time. I went on 4 pumps of androgel and it

when to 1200. Then went to 2 pump and it dropped to 295, I'm now on

three and we'll see on my next test where it is.

I'll tell you start taking it now. You'll feel so much better.

There are lots of possible problems from low testosterone but I

wouldn't worry about that.

Get your T up and go from there.

>

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all

the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms

of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

January 6, 2008

My T levels are around 300 (going to start treatment in the new year) and my

wife " forbids " me to watch TV shows like " Emergency Vet " , " Rescue 911 " ,

etc...I start blubbering like a fool...lol

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: Extremely low T Levels

43 is indeed very low. Mine at it's lowest was 130 and I could hardly

move and I cried all the time. I went on 4 pumps of androgel and it

when to 1200. Then went to 2 pump and it dropped to 295, I'm now on

three and we'll see on my next test where it is.

I'll tell you start taking it now. You'll feel so much better.

There are lots of possible problems from low testosterone but I

wouldn't worry about that.

Get your T up and go from there.

>

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all

the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms

of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

January 6, 2008

Thanks to EVERYONE who has replied. You've been so helpful. I don't know if he

ran the tests below: what are they? Thanks Again!

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Welcome to the group - 44

is low but we need to know the units and range of the test. I fyou ask your Dr

for a copy of the results they will give it to you. Did they run any other test

like prolactin, Lutenizing hormone or estradiol? If not you need to get retested

with the appropriate hormones to try to figure out what your problem is. There

is a lot of experience here on this forum and we can help you get back on track.

Unfortunately, this is a rare enough condition that most doctors do not know

much about it. We have learned through a lot of trial and error and from the

body builders. Good luck and keep us posted.

Arkansas

myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all the

time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms of

low T.

Thanks

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January 6, 2008

Thank you man. I really appreciate it. When did you start feeling better and

stop crying?

<gpb3@...> wrote: 43 is indeed very low. Mine at it's lowest

was 130 and I could hardly

move and I cried all the time. I went on 4 pumps of androgel and it

when to 1200. Then went to 2 pump and it dropped to 295, I'm now on

three and we'll see on my next test where it is.

I'll tell you start taking it now. You'll feel so much better.

There are lots of possible problems from low testosterone but I

wouldn't worry about that.

Get your T up and go from there.

>

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all

the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms

of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

January 6, 2008

My doc said hey had never treated a man with such a low T level. I am

wondering...do you guys think I should go to a specialist since it is so low?

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: You are 43?! In

the American unit?!!

Go on allthingsformale.com

And go on the TRT page, and you should read all of

that. It will also give a full panel of what you need

to get measured.

The important parts to get started with are:

-Free/Total Testosterone

-Estrogen (or spelt Oestrodiol) (female hormone)

-LH

-FSH

(Read the link)

Get this checked. On top have you tried Viagra or

Caverject? Try some Viagra first, and see what

happens.

However your very low testosterone is a clear sign of

your impotence. You could be on TRT like other guys on

here.

--- myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I

> am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a

> general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will

> begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an

> extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid

> of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be

> impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own.

> I see docs all the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention

> this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the

> classic symptoms of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

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January 6, 2008

If he treats you properly, it does not matter. I started @ 50 ng/ml,

myself

Gettin Older

>

> > My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I

> > am 44 and my

> > level should be much higher. I am being seen by a

> > general

> > practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will

> > begin using it

> > soon, however, I am concerned about such an

> > extremely low T level and

> > my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid

> > of other health

> > issues resulting from my low T level. I have be

> > impotent for about

> > five years and decided to research this on my own.

> > I see docs all the

> > time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention

> > this as a

> > possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the

> > classic symptoms of

> > low T.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

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January 6, 2008

I use Androgel and my T level went from 300's to 700 in 3 months. Give the

Androgel some time. I use 4 pumps. My doctor said you I could go to 6 pumps if

necessary before they would try something else. He also said it would take 30

days for most men to see an effect. Be patient. Hope you get good results!

Myron Casey <myroncasey@...> wrote: Thank you man. I really

appreciate it. When did you start feeling better and stop crying?

<gpb3@...> wrote: 43 is indeed very low. Mine at it's lowest was 130

and I could hardly

move and I cried all the time. I went on 4 pumps of androgel and it

when to 1200. Then went to 2 pump and it dropped to 295, I'm now on

three and we'll see on my next test where it is.

I'll tell you start taking it now. You'll feel so much better.

There are lots of possible problems from low testosterone but I

wouldn't worry about that.

Get your T up and go from there.

>

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all

the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms

of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

January 6, 2008

My doctor did all these tests and he also did a testicle check, breast exam, and

liver function. He repeats teh liver tests at 6 months to make sure there is no

liver damage or effect of the T supplement. A prostate exam is also needed if

you have any enlargement of the prostate.

Myron Casey <myroncasey@...> wrote: Thanks to EVERYONE who has

replied. You've been so helpful. I don't know if he ran the tests below: what

are they? Thanks Again!

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Welcome to the group - 44 is low but

we need to know the units and range of the test. I fyou ask your Dr for a copy

of the results they will give it to you. Did they run any other test like

prolactin, Lutenizing hormone or estradiol? If not you need to get retested with

the appropriate hormones to try to figure out what your problem is. There is a

lot of experience here on this forum and we can help you get back on track.

Unfortunately, this is a rare enough condition that most doctors do not know

much about it. We have learned through a lot of trial and error and from the

body builders. Good luck and keep us posted.

Arkansas

myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all the

time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms of

low T.

Thanks

---------------------------------

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January 6, 2008

Androgel got mine up from 300's to 700 and helped the emotions tremendously.

neil <neilneil@...> wrote: My T levels are around 300 (going

to start treatment in the new year) and my

wife " forbids " me to watch TV shows like " Emergency Vet " , " Rescue 911 " ,

etc...I start blubbering like a fool...lol

Neil

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: Extremely low T Levels

43 is indeed very low. Mine at it's lowest was 130 and I could hardly

move and I cried all the time. I went on 4 pumps of androgel and it

when to 1200. Then went to 2 pump and it dropped to 295, I'm now on

three and we'll see on my next test where it is.

I'll tell you start taking it now. You'll feel so much better.

There are lots of possible problems from low testosterone but I

wouldn't worry about that.

Get your T up and go from there.

>

> My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I am 44 and my

> level should be much higher. I am being seen by a general

> practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will begin using it

> soon, however, I am concerned about such an extremely low T level and

> my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid of other health

> issues resulting from my low T level. I have be impotent for about

> five years and decided to research this on my own. I see docs all

the

> time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention this as a

> possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the classic symptoms

of

> low T.

>

> Thanks

>

January 7, 2008

Hi Myron,

It is assumed that a pituitary work-up is on your Physician's list of

things to do? Most protocols say any a total T level of 150 is a

trigger to check a man's pituitary. Wish you good luck.

Vickie

In , Myron Casey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

>

> My doc said hey had never treated a man with such a low T level. I

am wondering...do you guys think I should go to a specialist since it

is so low?

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: You are

43?! In the American unit?!!

>

> Go on allthingsformale.com

>

> And go on the TRT page, and you should read all of

> that. It will also give a full panel of what you need

> to get measured.

>

> The important parts to get started with are:

>

> -Free/Total Testosterone

> -Estrogen (or spelt Oestrodiol) (female hormone)

> -LH

> -FSH

>

> (Read the link)

>

> Get this checked. On top have you tried Viagra or

> Caverject? Try some Viagra first, and see what

> happens.

>

> However your very low testosterone is a clear sign of

> your impotence. You could be on TRT like other guys on

> here.

>

> --- myroncasey <myroncasey@...> wrote:

>

> > My doc told me yestereday that my T level was 43. I

> > am 44 and my

> > level should be much higher. I am being seen by a

> > general

> > practioner. He has prescribed Androdel and I will

> > begin using it

> > soon, however, I am concerned about such an

> > extremely low T level and

> > my doctor didn't seem real knowledagle. I am afraid

> > of other health

> > issues resulting from my low T level. I have be

> > impotent for about

> > five years and decided to research this on my own.

> > I see docs all the

> > time (medical and phys.) and no one ever mention

> > this as a

> > possibility. Any words of advice. I have all the

> > classic symptoms of

> > low T.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

> __________________________________________________________

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> now.

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>

January 7, 2008

>

> There are 17 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1a. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From:

> 1b. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: neil

> 1c. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1d. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1e. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1f. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: gettin_older

> 1g. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1h. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1i. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1j. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Vickie

January 7, 2008

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:43:23 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Hi Myron,

>

>It is assumed that a pituitary work-up is on your Physician's list of

>things to do? Most protocols say any a total T level of 150 is a

>trigger to check a man's pituitary. Wish you good luck.

>

>Vickie

Read the AACE guidelines they lay out most of what you need to know

(and what your Doc should know - bring him a copy).

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

January 7, 2008

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:34:33 -0000, you wrote:

>The blood tests only take a short time but if as you say you are with a GP this

is NOT

>satisfactory no matter how good they may be. You must see an excellent

Endocrinologist

>who currently teaches medics this subject and who publishes papers in this

area.

Many of us would argue with this. We find most endocrinologists are

not current on our condition. Few for example test E2 levels, which

all of us would say is essential. Many of us have found good GP who

listen to their patients and will work with you. If you bring them

things like the AACE guidelines and articles on E2 they respond and

work with you. Endocrinologists almost as a class seem incapable of

listening to their patients. I think that's a fair summary of the

general opinion in this group of a few 1000s of us.

January 7, 2008

Yes Retro I am with you on this and they are not any good for Thyroid putting

people on low dose's of T4 and when the person tells them they still don't feel

right they offer antidepressant meds.

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:34:33 -0000, you wrote:

>The blood tests only take a short time but if as you say you are with a GP this

is NOT

>satisfactory no matter how good they may be. You must see an excellent

Endocrinologist

>who currently teaches medics this subject and who publishes papers in this

area.

Many of us would argue with this. We find most endocrinologists are

not current on our condition. Few for example test E2 levels, which

all of us would say is essential. Many of us have found good GP who

listen to their patients and will work with you. If you bring them

things like the AACE guidelines and articles on E2 they respond and

work with you. Endocrinologists almost as a class seem incapable of

listening to their patients. I think that's a fair summary of the

general opinion in this group of a few 1000s of us.

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

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January 7, 2008

And don't forget a bone density scan to rule out the onset of osteoporosis since

your T has been this low for so long. There's a direct connection between low T

and osteoporosis.

But the other fella is right. It's the " why " question that has to be answered.

Why is your T low? Read about primary and secondary hypogonadism and see their

differences.

Endocrinologists are hormone experts and you're more likely to have better

success with one of them. Find a younger doctor though. The endocrinologists I

had seen were a bit too much in love with themselves and didn't help me a great

deal.

However in my case, I got lucky. My family doctor is about my age and is a

patient of primary hypogonadism like me. So I did get lucky in working with my

doctor and with the help from this forum I was able to tailor a successful

testosterone replacement strategy. The people you've been working with may well

be ill equipped to deal with your hypogonadism properly. I saw one doctor for 8

months and suffered before I changed doctors. He blamed his failures on me and

told me to go see a shrink.

A score of 43..... I remember those days and I was in misery. No one would

tell me anything either. I had to do my own research and while I'm in favor of

personal responsibility, I had better expectations from the American medical

community. That was before I found this forum which has been a big help.

Let me guess, mood swings, fits of depression and anxiety, sweats, cramps, low

libido, a score of 43, you sure seem to have hypogonadism but in which form? And

after talking to these doctors this long and no one has told you anything yet?

Have they checked your prostate yet? If they gave you testosterone before they

checked your prostate then you should flee and never return. If you were a

cantidate for prostate cancer and they began to give you testosterone it would

be like putting fuel on a fire.

Here's the order of business:

1. check prostate, rule out cancer

2. complete hormonal panel, see everything out of balance, not just T

3. bone density scan

4. MRI on pituitary, rule out tumor or pituitary damage

5. determine primary or secondary hypogonadism

6. begin strategy to treat the proper form of hypogonadism

I believe this is what you should do just to get started in the right

direction. Then you can look into the various forms of treatment available to

you, depending on your condition. In the mean time, and I hate to say this but

I'd discontinue testosterone supplements until I got my prostate checked FIRST.

Good luck and regards.....

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

>

> There are 17 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1a. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From:

> 1b. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: neil

> 1c. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1d. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1e. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Myron Casey

> 1f. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: gettin_older

> 1g. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1h. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1i. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: j j

> 1j. Re: Extremely low T Levels

> From: Vickie

January 7, 2008

Wow. Thanks. I have nearly lost my partner of 13 years and have alienated many

people because of the depression/anxiety. My mother died during this and my

sister too, I thought I was just depressed and getting old. It seems like I

finally have hope.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: And don't forget a

bone density scan to rule out the onset of osteoporosis since your T has been

this low for so long. There's a direct connection between low T and

osteoporosis.

But the other fella is right. It's the " why " question that has to be answered.

Why is your T low? Read about primary and secondary hypogonadism and see their

differences.

Endocrinologists are hormone experts and you're more likely to have better

success with one of them. Find a younger doctor though. The endocrinologists I

had seen were a bit too much in love with themselves and didn't help me a great

deal.

However in my case, I got lucky. My family doctor is about my age and is a

patient of primary hypogonadism like me. So I did get lucky in working with my

doctor and with the help from this forum I was able to tailor a successful

testosterone replacement strategy. The people you've been working with may well

be ill equipped to deal with your hypogonadism properly. I saw one doctor for 8

months and suffered before I changed doctors. He blamed his failures on me and

told me to go see a shrink.

A score of 43..... I remember those days and I was in misery. No one would tell

me anything either. I had to do my own research and while I'm in favor of