Re: need help with the labs

December 4, 2009

Yes they stay fresh until you mix them I don't remember how the guys do this but

you can buy bigger vials then put some Bac. water to get started to mix it the

take it out and put it in a bigger vial so you can put 2 mls of Bac. water. ADC

sells only one size of water and it will not go bad I would just keep it in the

fridge until you need it again. Here is a link and Cut and paste on mixing

this.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238888

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BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

â€¢The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldnâ€™t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

Thatâ€™s why you need Bac H2o.

â€¢The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

â€¢HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

â€¢You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:23 PM

> If I get 2000 IU's hCG, what size bac

> water do you suggest. Also, if I got several (4? maybe

> more)hCG, do the stay fresh if not mixed? Would I need extra

> vials?

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

> didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have

> > > ED issues in the

> > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> history as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >I have no

> > > > > > > choice but to be patient

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > process back to where

> > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> month

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > function did'nt return. I

> don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have

> > > a history of

> > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe

> this

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> could be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> also. that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

December 4, 2009

one of the guys in the link says he fills a bunch of syringes with the doses

then stores them in the refrig. Sounds like a good idea.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > have

> > > > ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > history as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > choice but to be patient

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > function did'nt return. I

> > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > have

> > > > a history of

> > > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe

> > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > could be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > also. that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

December 4, 2009

Jim,

That is the game plan we were thinking about today as well. Some HCG to the mix

may be enough to resolve the issue with the T and E and give the thyroid time to

balance accordingly..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > You didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > ED issues in the

> > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > > history as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >I have no

> > > > > > > choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > process back to where

> > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > last month

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > a history of

> > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > > > > > > could be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > > also. that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

December 4, 2009

We are going to get you on HCG monday to help get your feeling better.

Do not order get a script and do it right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > You didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > have ED issues in the

> > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > know your

> > > > > > > > > > > > history , but the same

> > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > history as

> > > > > > > > > > > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have no

> > > > > choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > process back to where

> > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > last month

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying his penial

> > > > > function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have a history of

> > > > > testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > > > > could be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > also. that

> > > > > > > > > > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue and libido

> > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > >

December 5, 2009

Yes you can do this but they do the because the HCG comes in amps not a vial. I

think with 2000 IU's the small vial that comes with it will hold 1ml. of water

so to do a 250 IU's shot you would draw out .125 mls this is why I would buy a

bigger vial and add 2mls of Bac. water this way your shot you would draw out .25

mls.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 7:23 PM

> one of the guys in the link says he

> fills a bunch of syringes with the doses then stores them in

> the refrig. Sounds like a good idea.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT

> history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > You

> > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > have

> > > > > ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I

> don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > know

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > > question applies to

> your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > history as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > > and ED go

> hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > > choice but to be

> patient

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > > I'd like to be. I

> quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > > There was a guy

> posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > last

> > > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > > function did'nt

> return. I

> > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > know

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > > this is what's in

> my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > have

> > > > > a history of

> > > > > > > > > testicular cancer,

> maybe

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > could be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > > is so low your E2

> is low

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > also. that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > > get your T up and

> your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

December 5, 2009

Yes if your working with Dr. O and Hard you need to do what your paying them

for. I wish when you guys post you would say you being treated by Dr. O or Dr.

. I don't like to post around them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:56 PM

> We are going to get you on HCG monday

> to help get your feeling better.

> Do not order get a script and do it right.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > You

> didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> have ED issues in the

> > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> history , but the same

> > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > history

> as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> well. I thought low T

> > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >I have no

> > > > > > choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> process back to where

> > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> accept the outcome.

> > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> month

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> saying his penial

> > > > > > function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> situation, but maybe

> > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> have a history of

> > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > > > > > could be

> a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > If I recall your T

> > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > also.

> that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > issue and libido

> > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I suspect when you

> > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

December 5, 2009

Phil, I've stated numerious times in this topic that I'm seeing HAN and Dr.O.

I'm not working behind their backsor asking you to undermine their care. I'm

looking for information so I can go in the appointments not looking like a

complete jackass. If I am looking for a new car, I research them before I buy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have ED issues in the

> > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > history , but the same

> > > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > > history

> > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >I have no

> > > > > > > choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > process back to where

> > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > saying his penial

> > > > > > > function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have a history of

> > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > > > > > > could be

> > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > > also.

> > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

December 5, 2009

Jim in previous email I noted what options would be appropriate, do to HIPPA I

am not posting those options in open forum. If a person has another pharmacy

that they want to order from we offer that option, but you also take a chance on

it as well even the canadian pharmacy. Some time information can be also a

dangerous things and ends up getting people into trouble if they do not watch

them selves. We like our patients to be educated, but to have a reliable source

because several times we have had patients that were " mr know it all's " and we

nipped it in the butt before it got out of hand. We have learned from them as

well. IF you have concrete evidence not just theory then we will look into it

further. We are extremely open minded and willing to learn as well. Many dr's

think they know everything, but in reality they do not and not willing to ever

admit it. When a Dr can tell a patient he does not know, but will research into

it or ask some one that knows then you found a good dr..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > have ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > question applies to your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > history

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > have a history of

> > > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > could be

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also.

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

December 5, 2009

It's not a problem I just post to some many men per day I can remember one from

the other. I am just not my self today forget I said this sorry.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:35 AM

> Phil, I've stated numerious times in

> this topic that I'm seeing HAN and Dr.O. I'm not working

> behind their backsor asking you to undermine their care. I'm

> looking for information so I can go in the appointments not

> looking like a complete jackass. If I am looking for a new

> car, I research them before I buy.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> You

> > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > have ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I

> don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> know

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > question applies to

> your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> history

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > choice but to be patient

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess

> I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > There was a guy posting

> here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> last

> > > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > function did'nt return.

> I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > this is what's in my

> future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > have a history of

> > > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe

> this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> could be

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > is so low your E2 is

> low

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> also.

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > get your T up and your

> E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

December 5, 2009

Phil, you don't have to say you're sorry to anyone here. You do so much for men

and this forum. You don't hear thank you nearly enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > You

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > have ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > > beginning? Retro, I

> > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > know

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > > question applies to

> > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > history

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > > and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > > choice but to be patient

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > > I'd like to be. I quess

> > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > > There was a guy posting

> > here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > last

> > > > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > > function did'nt return.

> > I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > > this is what's in my

> > future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > have a history of

> > > > > > > > > testicular cancer, maybe

> > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > could be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > > though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > > is so low your E2 is

> > low

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > also.

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > > get your T up and your

> > E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > >

December 5, 2009

We all are good hear.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 11:33 AM

> Phil, you don't have to say you're

> sorry to anyone here. You do so much for men and this forum.

> You don't hear thank you nearly enough.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >Phil, you have

> > > > > > > > > > 27 yrs of TRT

> history?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > You

> > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > have ED issues in the

> > > > > > > > > > beginning?

> Retro, I

> > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > know

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > history , but the same

> > > > > > > > > > question

> applies to

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > history

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > well. I thought low T

> > > > > > > > > > and ED go

> hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >I have no

> > > > > > > > > > choice but to

> be patient

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > process back to where

> > > > > > > > > > I'd like to

> be. I quess

> > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > accept the outcome.

> > > > > > > > > > There was a

> guy posting

> > > here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > last

> > > > > month

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > saying his penial

> > > > > > > > > > function

> did'nt return.

> > > I don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > know his

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > situation, but maybe

> > > > > > > > > > this is what's

> in my

> > > future.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > have a history of

> > > > > > > > > > testicular

> cancer, maybe

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > could be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > factor. I had radiation

> > > > > > > > > > though, not

> chemo.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > If I recall your T

> > > > > > > > > > is so low your

> E2 is

> > > low

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > also.

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > issue and libido

> > > > > > > > > > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I suspect when you

> > > > > > > > > > get your T up

> and your

> > > E2

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > down,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

December 8, 2009

With all the talk about working out recently, I started back wo (real light and

low volume)about a week before these blood tests were taken. Could the

resumption of wo cause the reduction in T and E2? Nothing else really changed in

my life. I didn't think to discuss this with HAN and Dr. O yesterday when I saw

them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > You didn't

> > > > > > > > have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > know your

> > > > > > > > history , but the same question applies to your

> > > > > > history as

> > > > > > > > well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >I have no choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > last month

> > > > > > > > saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > situation, but maybe this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > could be a

> > > > > > > > factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > also. that

> > > > > > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > issue and libido killer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

December 8, 2009

No not light wo's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 1:47 PM

> With all the talk about working out

> recently, I started back wo (real light and low volume)about

> a week before these blood tests were taken. Could the

> resumption of wo cause the reduction in T and E2? Nothing

> else really changed in my life. I didn't think to discuss

> this with HAN and Dr. O yesterday when I saw them.

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Phil, you

> have 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > > > > > > You didn't

> > > > > > > > > have ED issues in

> the beginning? Retro, I don't

> > > > > > > know your

> > > > > > > > > history , but the

> same question applies to your

> > > > > > > history as

> > > > > > > > > well. I thought low

> T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >I have no

> choice but to be patient with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > process back to

> where I'd like to be. I quess I

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > accept the outcome.

> There was a guy posting here

> > > > > > > last month

> > > > > > > > > saying his penial

> function did'nt return. I don't

> > > > > > > know his

> > > > > > > > > situation, but

> maybe this is what's in my future.

> > > > > > > Since I

> > > > > > > > > have a history of

> testicular cancer, maybe this

> > > > > > > could be a

> > > > > > > > > factor. I had

> radiation though, not chemo.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I recall

> your T is so low your E2 is low

> > > > > > > also. that

> > > > > > > > > would be an ED

> > > > > > > > > > issue and

> libido killer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I suspect when

> you get your T up and your E2

> > > > > > > down,

> > > > > > > > > things will

> > > > > > > > > > improve.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

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