Re: New Please Help Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

It's true, you are " in range " . But at your age the average healthy 17

year old has testosterone much higher than you, probably around 650-800

level. Your level of 337 is for a MUCH older man.

At the age of 48 my " T' had gone down to 325 (70 year old man level),

and at 50 it dipped to 275 (100 year old level). I was not able to " get

the job done " very well with my wife at that point. I have been

injecting testosterone twice a week with a small needle in my thigh.

More and more young guys have your problem. It's to your credit that you

are seeking out solutions! Nothing to be ashamed of, it would be a shame

if you didn't get it treated.

You need to get your " E2 " , sometimes its called " estradial " also checked

along with your testosterone. It's important to see where you are at.

Ideally you should get your T up to around 750 and your E2 around 25.

That should leave you feeling good and balanced out!

Endo's are losers, they will tell you that you are normal! B.S.

The best doctor is a anti-aging or another good choice is a D.O. If you

call ahead ask them if they prescribe injectable T. That is the cheapest

route to go.

Let us know how you are doing!

Neil

rickwalia wrote:

>

> Hey my name is Rick Walia

>

> I have a very severe case of gyne

>

> Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

>

> I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

>

> i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

>

> 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> {or i thnk}

>

> I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of depress

>

> Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or should i

>

> go see an endo please show me some way thanks

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hey my name is Rick Walia

> >

> > I have a very severe case of gyne

> >

> > Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

> >

> > I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

> >

> > i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

> >

> > 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> > {or i thnk}

> >

> > I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

depress

> >

> > Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

should i

> >

> > go see an endo please show me some way thanks

> >

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>

Thanks a lot! Telling turth my life is going downhill i am very lazy

and my gyne is prolly 8-9/10. I am going to get surgery next month

but I wanna be best shape of my life and its very embrassing that i

started lifting around 16 and came back at age 17 as i stopped only

lifting 85 lbs at 223 lbs with 6'2 height. My doc said its in normal

range and told me i wasnt happy with it i need to see endo. Should i

see an endo or another doc?

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot !! Thats what i was thinking also i get nervous and my

gyne is very bad id give it 8/10 or 9/10 severe and i wanna be in

good shape but i always feel sleepy lazy walk slowly cant lift weight.

So should i see a doc that is a D.O Osteopathic Medicine right? sorry

never seen anyone besides a regular DOC but is that still in the endo

branch? Thanks

> >

> > Hey my name is Rick Walia

> >

> > I have a very severe case of gyne

> >

> > Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

> >

> > I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

> >

> > i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

> >

> > 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> > {or i thnk}

> >

> > I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

depress

> >

> > Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

should i

> >

> > go see an endo please show me some way thanks

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I called endo office they said its going to be 250$ for first initial

vist and i dont have insurance so i guess ill be seeing endo soon. I

asked my local doc about checking estradoil and other levels he

declined saying endo's only do that.

>

> Hey my name is Rick Walia

>

> I have a very severe case of gyne

>

> Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

>

> I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

>

> i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

>

> 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> {or i thnk}

>

> I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

depress

>

> Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

should i

>

> go see an endo please show me some way thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

What area are you in?? Someone here might have a GREAT choice for a

doctor that can fix you up.

Keep in mind too you can run your own labs, consider the link below.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC322582/Male-Life-Extension-Panel-B\

lood-Test.html

The test above would be a good base line.

You had said before that you lift weights, etc. Have you ever injected a

" cycle " of testosterone? If so, that could be your problem. If so, there

is a doctor that specializes in " fixing " guys that have that problem.

His name is Dr. Crisler and he is in Lansing, MI. Here is a link.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/faq.html

Hope you feel well,

Neil

rickwalia wrote:

>

> I called endo office they said its going to be 250$ for first initial

> vist and i dont have insurance so i guess ill be seeing endo soon. I

> asked my local doc about checking estradoil and other levels he

> declined saying endo's only do that.

>

>

> >

> > Hey my name is Rick Walia

> >

> > I have a very severe case of gyne

> >

> > Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

> >

> > I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

> >

> > i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

> >

> > 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> > {or i thnk}

> >

> > I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

> depress

> >

> > Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

> should i

> >

> > go see an endo please show me some way thanks

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ask your endo for a reduced price consultation.  Say to him you want to be sure

he is interested and has the expertise in your total recovery.

The best of the best do the best so a good doctor won't find those types of

questions intimidating or dis respectful.  They will be excited for good doctors

want patients who will obey and strive for excellence.

 Without insurance you MUST be well researched on Gyne and what you want to

accomplish.   It sounds like you may need surgery to remove the deposits.

Your local doctor is very wrong. My local doctor does everything.  I only go to

a urologist if we want a second opinion.  And we fired the endo's.

Use this support group first and make sure you have all of the answers before

spending the money.  Also you can re post for places to get all tests yourself. 

I think you can get those tests done for about the same $250.00 which is a

better use of your monies.

You need those results to target a positive direction.

I have gyne and have decided  to let the embarrassing comments be the

commenter's problem for now.  I believe there is some wisdom in getting the body

put together in stages.   So I am letting time and due diligence with TRT and ED

perform there wonders.

Don't focus on the process of healing but on those things that actually get

results.   All fertilizer and no harvest is not good!!!!

For example there is a women who has not consummated her marriage because her

husband has severe ED.  There is a product called Trimix or Trigel that would

easily take care of that so they can enjoy each other.   Instead she is focusing

on all the possibilities and has not taken care of her first priority for

herself and her husband.  **Having sexual intercourse**  Pretty much guaranteed

6 six times for 133.00 or less of medicine.  

 Oh well - watch out for the mental and financial  traps of trying. And

statements like if first you don't succeed try try again. 

Sounds good but if the goal is to fly with wings like a eagle there is a great

obsticle called impossible. Mankind does not have wings.

Keep a reasonable mode of caution as you proceed. 

  Ask, ask, ask, before you spend.  Check the files and research section of the

group.

There is good insight here but we all are busy and have our expertise.  Give the

group some time to respond.

Justus Gent

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From: rickwalia <no_reply >

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:47:02 PM

Subject: Re: New Please Help Thanks

I called endo office they said its going to be 250$ for first initial

vist and i dont have insurance so i guess ill be seeing endo soon. I

asked my local doc about checking estradoil and other levels he

declined saying endo's only do that.

>

> Hey my name is Rick Walia

>

> I have a very severe case of gyne

>

> Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

>

> I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

>

> i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

>

> 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> {or i thnk}

>

> I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

depress

>

> Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

should i

>

> go see an endo please show me some way thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hey i live in Mississippi, I moved from NYC i was initally born in India

but thanks a lot for all your advices i will defently go to a new doc

and post my estradoil and other hormone level. and will be on Update

thanks.

[Guest guest]

Excellent and don't settle for less than the obvious best!

________________________________

From: rickwalia <no_reply >

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:30:44 PM

Subject: Re: New Please Help Thanks

Hey i live in Mississippi, I moved from NYC i was initally born in India

but thanks a lot for all your advices i will defently go to a new doc

and post my estradoil and other hormone level. and will be on Update

thanks.

[Guest guest]

Also is my TSH fine ?

it was TSH 4.043 uiu

[Guest guest]

Over 3.0 uiu is considered suspect of hypothyroidism. This was

updated from 5.0 uiu

~Xian

>

> Also is my TSH fine ?

>

> it was TSH 4.043 uiu

>

[Guest guest]

Yea i knew about 5.0 didnt know its 3.0 now wow....

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You are in luck as there is a great doctor in MS that can help you I

am sure. He received his training from Dr. Greenblatt's who is now

deceased and was a pioneer in hormone therapy for both men and women.

Dr. Charlton R. , Laurel, MS

His web site mentions he treats men and women with hormone pellets.

http://www.c-gate.net/laurelmenopauseclinic/

You can check him out as well as Dr. Greenblatt on GOOGLE.

Lets talk about cost. This is like you life is at stake so you must

get a specialist even if you were to have to travel much farther.

Hormone pellets go under the skin and will last 4 months before you

need another visit.

ernestnolan

>

> Hey i live in Mississippi, I moved from NYC i was initally born in India

> but thanks a lot for all your advices i will defently go to a new doc

> and post my estradoil and other hormone level. and will be on Update

> thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You are in luck as there is a great doctor in MS that can help you I

am sure. He received his training from Dr. Greenblatt's who is now

deceased and was a pioneer in hormone therapy for both men and women.

Dr. Charlton R. , Laurel, MS

His web site mentions he treats men and women with hormone pellets.

http://www.c-gate.net/laurelmenopauseclinic/

You can check him out as well as Dr. Greenblatt on GOOGLE.

Lets talk about cost. This is like your life is at stake so you must

get a specialist even if you were to have to travel much farther. The

Mayo clinic would be where experts can be found and you have one in MS.

Hormone pellets go under the skin and will last 4 months before you

need another visit.

ernestnolan

>

> Hey i live in Mississippi, I moved from NYC i was initally born in India

> but thanks a lot for all your advices i will defently go to a new doc

> and post my estradoil and other hormone level. and will be on Update

> thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

I see thanks a lot for this post as i will take in great consideration

as the drive is 2 hours away from my house and im only 17 not much of a

travler but since i really do want everything with my hormone corrected

it is my best intrest to visit some as smart as him prehaps. So i will

really take in this for consideration Thanks a bunch. You guys are

really great thanks for the support so far.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just turned 20. My T at 10 am has been 600, othrwise it has

been just close to 500 round about 3pm in my other tests. Am I ok for

my age?

I have small testicles, I'm ok now, got out of a depression, by

looking at the guy who is 17, I'm wondering whether I maybe in a

similar but less worse scenario.

x

> >

> > Hey my name is Rick Walia

> >

> > I have a very severe case of gyne

> >

> > Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

> >

> > I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

> >

> > i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

> >

> > 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> > {or i thnk}

> >

> > I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

depress

> >

> > Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

should i

> >

> > go see an endo please show me some way thanks

> >

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

Are you Manterno? Welcome back.

Total testosterone varies significantly between earlier & later

readings for younger men. A better testing time would be 7 or 8 AM-

as close as possible to the time when you wake up. Later in the day

will generally show lower total T. 600 ng/dL total T is somewhat

below average for a 20 year old but still within the reference range

for adults (300-1000 ng/dL). Since this result was from 10 AM, this

reading probably shows less T than you have first thing in the morning.

Depression touches upon so many other factors (including our

sensitivity to pain), yet it can be isolated to some extent. What

other concerns do you have, Manterno?

~Xian

> > >

> > > Hey my name is Rick Walia

> > >

> > > I have a very severe case of gyne

> > >

> > > Thing is im 6'3 223 lbs Age : 17

> > >

> > > I had done my hormone test from my docter* and

> > >

> > > i believe everything was fine except my t level it was

> > >

> > > 337 it was still in normal range but at 17 337 is relatively low

> > > {or i thnk}

> > >

> > > I cant lift i started from handle bar now i lift 85 lbs sort of

> depress

> > >

> > > Any way to tell me how i can tell if i do have hypogonadism or

> should i

> > >

> > > go see an endo please show me some way thanks

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Called dr.vincet told me fax or email reports i emailed them today and

attach my gyne pics. Also I have 2 question

1) is pellets a good TRT or others are like injection, and gels? are

they expensive?

2) I go to a private school my last year hopefully they do drug test

steroids and such would me going on TRT affect those test?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Well i called back today they said i should to my local doc to do the

injection t which i know he wont do. And he also said hes not worry

about TSH until its over 5.0. =\ I still havent check my estradoil or

my LH or anyother important factor. ah

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

Personally I use shots. Sometimes the creams don't work and are

sometimes messy, and the pellets are more expensive and from what I read

hurt.

The total cost of injections run about $10 (that includes the

testosterone, needles, alcohol pads, and /Arimidex) /a month if

insurance covers the vial of testosterone. The vial of testosterone

lasts almost 5 months and with insurance the vial runs me about $40,

without insurance at Costco it runs $120. My doctor also has a pharmacy

where I can get it without insurance for $80. I use a small needle into

the side of my thigh. Some of the guys use a 22ga needle, but that

REALLY hurt. The smaller 28ga is absolutely no problem. I inject on

Tuesdays and Fridays. I had never injected anything before, and I was

able to get used to it. Testosterone makes me feel so much better I

actually look forward to injections, it means I get my energy back, I

can have sex with my wife, etc, etc, so it's a positive experience for me.

You will also have to take something called /Arimidex, something like

half a tab twice a week, to control excessive estrogen. The injected

testosterone turns into estrogen, and //Arimidex helps with this

testosterone/estrogen balance.

The guys here can help you buy needles and alcohol swab pads by the

large box online for cheap, the //Arimidex too.

No worry about " steroids " . You are not doing steroids, you are under a

doctors care using prescription replacement testosterone, you are

rebuilding your natural levels, so this is a different thing. Guys and

body builders that shoot testosterone and take it to unnatural levels

(like over 1000) are officially doing " steroids " , you have a

prescription because you have a real medical problem. You are going to

take your level to 700-800, that's where a healthy guy your age chasing

chicks should be! :-)

Replacement testosterone is important for you Rick. It's important

because it will help you avoid heart disease in the future, and make you

feel better about yourself, less emotional, have a healthy sex life, etc.

Keep in touch,

Neil

/

rickwalia wrote:

>

> Called dr.vincet told me fax or email reports i emailed them today and

> attach my gyne pics. Also I have 2 question

>

> 1) is pellets a good TRT or others are like injection, and gels? are

> they expensive?

> 2) I go to a private school my last year hopefully they do drug test

> steroids and such would me going on TRT affect those test?

> Thanks

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well I called endocrinologst today they said they need my doc

refferal which my local doc who did the tests wont do since

everything- (Hes a family practioner) -was in range and im only 17 so

didnt want to argue with him. What should i do now go to another

regular docter and see if they refer me?

Complete blood count- 8.3 thou

White- 5.61

Hemoglobin- 47.2%

Hematocrit 84.1

MCH - 28.1

MCHC - 33.5

RBC disbribution width - 11.9

Platelet count- 281

Segs- 51%

Lymphocytes 41.1%

Monocytes 5.4%

EosinoPhils 1.8

Basophils 0.5%

ABs segs 4.3

Abs lymphocyes 3.4

Moniocytes 0.5

Basophils 0.0

Eosinophils 0.2

Chemistry

Soidum 141 meq

Potassium 4.7

Chloride 101

Carbon dioxide 27mg

Urea Nitrogen 17

Creatine 0.8

Glucose 83

Calcium 9.5

protein 7.6

Albumin 4.5

Sgot 28 {AST

SGPT {ALT} 39

Alkaline phosphatase 69 U/L

Total bilirubin 0.4

TSH 4.043 uiu

**Testrone 337 ng

was my full report

[Guest guest]

Rick,

It's unfortunate to hear that you're getting the run around.

At this point, some thoughts to consider:

Your docs have probably informed you that gynecomastia during puberty

is often self-correcting. This may account for general reluctance in

handling this issue, as they might fear tampering with your endocrine

system now could cause permanent dependence on synthetic hormones.

Not a pleasant thought concerning resolution of your problem, but it's

worth considering. Then again, if your testes aren't working the way

they should be at this age, it's better to address the problem sooner

than later. On this topic, do you think you've completed puberty?

In regard to gynecomastia, estradiol ( & perhaps prolactin) may be

responsible. Reducing estradiol can sometimes significantly elevate

testosterone. Please post your results for estradiol as soon as you

get them. Remind your doctors about the urgency of your lab results.

Are you insured via your parents/guardians? Talk to them about the

possibility of seeing Dr. Crisler in MI. You will have to pay up

front but insurance may reimburse you for the expenses. The next time

you see a doc, mention that you've heard good reports about Dr.

Crisler helping men in your situation & see if you can get a referral

to him. He's a Doctor of Osteopathy.

Have a Happy New Year.

~Xian

>

> Well I called endocrinologst today they said they need my doc

> refferal which my local doc who did the tests wont do since

> everything- (Hes a family practioner) -was in range and im only 17 so

> didnt want to argue with him. What should i do now go to another

> regular docter and see if they refer me?

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

Confused

[Guest guest]

Also im not sure if i have completed pubery any way to tell ? Im most

def willing to bet anything my gyne wont go away as my bro is 19 his

case is bad mine is also severe. Also mine is just not a lump on a

chest well big sort of chest well i cant tell bra sizes but i can give

rating to my chest of 8 or 9 out of 10. I have some pics but there

posted at gyne . org if u look under discussion any pics by name of

RickWalia or RickWalia007 are mine as well thanks for replying again.

[Guest guest]

rickwalia wrote:

> Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

> its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

> fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

> range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

> dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

> show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

> Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

> little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

> that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

> tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

> Confused

Try changing your primary care to a D.O. Your chance of getting

satisfaction with a D.O. is much greater. Mine provides my T and HCG

prescriptions after I provided the documentation I downloaded from

allthingsmale.com web site on replacement and the HCG update.

My insurance changed and I'll need to change D.O. so I got a list of all

the D.O.s near me, took it to the local compounding pharmacy, and got a

recommendations on which ones used that pharmacy regularly. Doctors

that use compounding pharmacies are usually much more knowledgeable in

my opinion and much more likely to work with you.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

> > Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i

think

> > its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

> > fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

> > range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of

range i

> > dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and

jus

> > show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

> > Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i

have a

> > little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

> > that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I

also

> > tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

> > Confused

>

> Try changing your primary care to a D.O. Your chance of getting

> satisfaction with a D.O. is much greater. Mine provides my T and HCG

> prescriptions after I provided the documentation I downloaded from

> allthingsmale.com web site on replacement and the HCG update.

>

> My insurance changed and I'll need to change D.O. so I got a list of

all

> the D.O.s near me, took it to the local compounding pharmacy, and got a

> recommendations on which ones used that pharmacy regularly. Doctors

> that use compounding pharmacies are usually much more knowledgeable in

> my opinion and much more likely to work with you.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

I agree with Steve. Seeing a DO specifically for endocrine

concerns/gynecomastia is better than going to another type of doctor

for a cold & then mentioning endocrine concerns. Also, your plan

might backfire on you. Docs know that illness & stress can lower

testosterone (though low testosterone may increase frequency of

illnesses), so most will quickly speculate that as the cause of

reduced testosterone- *if they find it worth addressing*- regardless

of how long you have dealt with it. Most doctors prefer to focus on

one problem at a time. They want to know what's bothering you the most.

" Screen " the doctors you're considering before visiting. Ask their

offices if they treat men for low testosterone & gynecomastia, as well

as what methods they use to treat it & if they consider treatment for

someone your age. You have probably already done so, but make sure to

mention your brother's gynecomastia- this might get you more tests &

help you pinpoint the cause of it.

Have a great new year.

~Xian