Re: New Please Help Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for your answers again. One last thing what kind of D.O?

Someone who specializes in Family Practice would be fine?

[Guest guest]

Rick,

I would fly to see Dr. Crisler in Lansing, MI. You can make it a day

trip so you don't have to pay for a room for the night. Why see him? He

can prescribe the Rhein test, where you pee into a big jug for 24 hours.

You then send off a small sample of this jug and testing. They can test

a BIG amount of things with this urine test, for not that much money. If

you paid for all these separate blood tests it costs a fortune.

Dr. Crisler only does men's hormones, and he can fix you. You may visit

local doctors for years and end up depressed and still not fixed. You

only have to fly to Dr. Crisler ONCE, he can then work with your doctor

and continue to oversee your treatment.

Endo's are a joke....honest to goodness...I have met two of them. They

couldn't diagnose a hangnail.

Neil

rickwalia wrote:

>

> Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

> its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

> fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

> range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

> dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

> show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

> Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

> little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

> that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

> tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

> Confused

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[Guest guest]

There is no " fix " for Hypogandism. And please stop acting as if, Dr.Crisler is

the only doctor on earth that understands and can treat Hypogandism effectively.

There are Endo doctors worldwide that do care and are professional and

compassionate to help in this fight.

Before you tell someone to spend lots of money to see a doc not that well known,

help him find a local doctor firstly. It must be a doc locally who can help in

the same fashion as Dr. Crisler. Just my opinion and i have nothing against Dr.

Crisler and I know how difficult it is to find a qualified Endo doctor but come

on. Good new years to all.

>

> Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

> its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

> fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

> range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

> dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

> show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

> Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

> little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

> that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

> tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

> Confused

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[Guest guest]

I asked on this list a while back for positive experiences with endos.

There was only one. The rest were all negative. The same question has

come up on a number of thyroid and adrenal related lists. Not one

positive experience. One may spend 1000s of dollars seeing a dozen

endos and never encounter one that really knows what they are doing.

Dr. Crisler is no guarantee either, but I'm betting that one would save

money almost all the time by flying there and seeing him.

However, I've also found that by avoiding endos and seeing a D.O., one

has a much much much higher chance of getting good medical care, even if

the D.O. isn't familiar with what you need, he may be willing to learn.

Mind did.

On the other hand, the original poster may have more that your typical

low testosterone. But, I've never met an endo in recent years that know

what s*@t he was doing.

Steve

U U wrote:

> There is no " fix " for Hypogandism. And please stop acting as if, Dr.Crisler is

the only doctor on earth that understands and can treat Hypogandism effectively.

There are Endo doctors worldwide that do care and are professional and

compassionate to help in this fight.

> Before you tell someone to spend lots of money to see a doc not that well

known, help him find a local doctor firstly. It must be a doc locally who can

help in the same fashion as Dr. Crisler. Just my opinion and i have nothing

against Dr. Crisler and I know how difficult it is to find a qualified Endo

doctor but come on. Good new years to all.

>

>

>

>

>> Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

>

>> its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

>

>> fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

>

>> range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

>

>> dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

>

>> show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

>

>> Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

>

>> little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

>

>> that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

>

>> tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

>

>> Confused

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[Guest guest]

I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in school

i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me cause im

going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with D.O ill

prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008 has been

the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start a new

year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping. im 6'3

220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have klinefelter i

believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom think

i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

[Guest guest]

Hi UU,

I recommended Dr. Crisler to Rick because they are somewhat close to

each other, traveling would be easy.

Please give examples (a list would be great) of endos that are

compassionate and professional, I subscribe to quite a few and

other boards and have never heard of any.

If Rick lived out my way in California or adjacent, I would have

recommended my D.O., Dr. Mitzner to him.

http://www.mitznerfamilymedicine.com/AbouttheDoctor.asp

I have never seen Dr. Crisler, but I have seen two other highly

recommended doctors....Dr. no and Dr. Mitzner. I believe in seeking

the path of least resistance, if it means driving 5 hours and I get the

treatment I need sooner, that will be the choice for me.

Rick could literately spend years and many thousands of dollars on local

doctors and incomplete labs that they would require. If he travels a

short distance to a doctor that has more experience with men's hormones

problems he could get treated much sooner and much more cheaply. Dr.

Crisler also is willing to work by phone with Rick's own regular doctor

for follow ups.

Rick is a young guy who is reaching out here, to delay treatment at a

young age can lead to depression and other problems. He needs help now.

UU, who is your doctor?????

Neil

U U wrote:

>

> There is no " fix " for Hypogandism. And please stop acting as if,

> Dr.Crisler is the only doctor on earth that understands and can treat

> Hypogandism effectively. There are Endo doctors worldwide that do care

> and are professional and compassionate to help in this fight.

> Before you tell someone to spend lots of money to see a doc not that

> well known, help him find a local doctor firstly. It must be a doc

> locally who can help in the same fashion as Dr. Crisler. Just my

> opinion and i have nothing against Dr. Crisler and I know how

> difficult it is to find a qualified Endo doctor but come on. Good new

> years to all.

>

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>

> > Thanks a lot for your response. Thing is I agree with you. And i think

>

> > its very important for me to check my estradoil also t3, t4, lh , and

>

> > fsh as they can play a key role as well. But as i said my doc said ur

>

> > range and he thinks he cant refer me to endo unless its out of range i

>

> > dont want to argue with him. Now should i go to another docter and jus

>

> > show my results i was thinking of going to the the University of

>

> > Mississippi Medical center and see a docter for cold since as i have a

>

> > little sinus and while there prolly show him my hormone report. Would

>

> > that be a good idea? or should i see another sort of specailist? I also

>

> > tried calling endo office they all said they NEED an docter refferal.

>

> > Confused

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[Guest guest]

rickwalia wrote:

> I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in school

> i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me cause im

> going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

> But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with D.O ill

> prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008 has been

> the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start a new

> year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

> nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

> questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

> Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping. im 6'3

> 220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have klinefelter i

> believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom think

> i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

> brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

I don't recall if you were tested for hypothyroidism? In my opinion,

your symptoms 'Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am

oversleeping' sound a lot more like low thyroid. I had all those

symptoms and no doctor would treat me for anything until my T went way

below the low end of the lab reference range in my 30s. (Knowing what

I know now, I wouldn't have accepted their ambivalence.) When I got

good T replacement, it didn't solve most of those problems, just helped

a little. I'm in the process of self managing thyroid issues without a

doctor for now by ordering my own lab work and medication

internationally, and things are looking up.

A place on the internet to some information on thyroid issues is:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

This will give a better idea if this might apply to you.

At 17, you have a lot of legal limits someone who's not yet 18 doesn't

have, including not being able to order you own lab work. As to calling

doctors, it is extremely rare to get through to a doctor, let alone his

nurse. I left a " message " several days ago with a cardiologist asking

for lab results and I've yet to receive a response. The way medicine

works in this country is like a monopoly with doctors having almost no

incentive to be either accurate, timely, or customer friendly. (Most of

them do only what is " usual " and " customary " which saves them from some

legal action, but is still not accurate, or timely or customer friendly.)

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

rickwalia wrote:

> Thanks a lot for your answers again. One last thing what kind of D.O?

> Someone who specializes in Family Practice would be fine?

I think either family practice or internal medicine. However, the

internal medicine ones are far and few between while the family practice

ones are a lot more common.

--

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Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Thanks I see

Also TSH isnt enough to see hypothyroidism right mine was 4.043 uiu.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

I think it was Steve also that the other day had a really fantastic idea

that would increase your odds for finding a winning doctor 1000%.. Find

a local compounding pharmacy in your area (Google), walk in

and ask to speak to the pharmacist " off to the side " for a moment. Just

tell him you are looking for a local doctor that is really knowledgeable

in men's hormones and that uses their compounding pharmacy often, that

you have " guy concerns " , that you need help, etc.

I am 99% certain the pharmacy will help you out.....

Neil

Steve wrote:

>

>

>

> rickwalia wrote:

> > Thanks a lot for your answers again. One last thing what kind of D.O?

> > Someone who specializes in Family Practice would be fine?

>

> I think either family practice or internal medicine. However, the

> internal medicine ones are far and few between while the family practice

> ones are a lot more common.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

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> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

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> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

I was looking through my bookmarks and remembered there is one poster

here who sees this doctor

http://www.ehacstl.com/index.asp

And there is another poster on another message group who sees him too.

He does male hormones and thyroid. It is said he is in the north st.

louis area.

Hope this helps,

Neil

rickwalia wrote:

>

> I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in school

> i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me cause im

> going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

> But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with D.O ill

> prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008 has been

> the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start a new

> year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

> nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

> questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

> Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping. im 6'3

> 220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have klinefelter i

> believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom think

> i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

> brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

>

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[Guest guest]

I see this doctor and he is very good. He is out of network for insurance but

worth it.

________________________________

From: Neil <neilneil@...>

Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 1:16:14 AM

Subject: Re: Re: New Please Help Thanks

Hi Rick,

I was looking through my bookmarks and remembered there is one poster

here who sees this doctor

http://www.ehacstl. com/index. asp

And there is another poster on another message group who sees him too.

He does male hormones and thyroid. It is said he is in the north st.

louis area.

Hope this helps,

Neil

rickwalia wrote:

>

> I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in school

> i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me cause im

> going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

> But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with D.O ill

> prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008 has been

> the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start a new

> year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

> nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

> questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

> Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping. im 6'3

> 220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have klinefelter i

> believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom think

> i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

> brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

>

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[Guest guest]

I have an internal medicine NP, a urologist and a urology PA (who

specialized in anti-aging). I'm just the boss when I go in there and

they listen and do what I ask and are willing to try things. I've

gotten lucky I suppose. I know how many docs out there just aren't up

or even willing to do any TRT. The point is you can find compassionate

docs who will listen and will be willing to learn what it takes to help.

> >

> > I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in

school

> > i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me cause im

> > going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

> > But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with D.O ill

> > prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008 has been

> > the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start

a new

> > year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

> > nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

> > questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

> > Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping.

im 6'3

> > 220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have

klinefelter i

> > believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom

think

> > i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

> > brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Whats worse is when they want to dispense testim because it is easy

and then they look at you crossed when you ask if they are going to

track E2.........I am going to need to find an alternative to my

alternative because even as a D.O. he is not getting it.

However, and I don't even belive I am saying this..Suzanne Summers may

have done us all a great deal of good besides bending over in dolphin

shorts on way gone by sad sitcoms from hell. She is big on

bioidentical horomone and HRT in general, ref Break Through.......well

BodyLogicMD has evolved under the influence she leveraged and I am

going to look into a local Doc that is part of that network. Plus she

is hot so it should at lest make testicle atrophy testing semi fun!

The other alternative is Dr. , but I have a concern about Dr.

because I have not determined if he would prescribe Growth Hormone

(GH), I know he would prescribe GHRH (Sermorelin) because it is listed

on his web site. The problem is Sermorelin from my reading is used to

kick start your pituitary to produce GH and realign the HPGA

(hypothalimus, pituitary, gonad axis). With that said, Dr. J seems to

be the man. I had a conventional doctor review his treatment papers

and with the only exception of my doctors reluctance to use arimidex,

he found Dr. J to be in line with convention and very knowledgeable.

Regardless of where I go from primary I think I will visit Dr. J in

the spring.

My problem is that I have an iron overload condition called

hemochromatosis that has foobarred my pituitary and it is not a matter

of kick starting anything since it was damaged by the iron, although I

do not have any testing conclusive specific to anterior lobe signaling.

Because of that I will be going to s Hopkins in March if I cannot

find anyone who will prescribe GH. My GH level is at .1 and I am not

sure what that means since the range determination is a mess to

understand.

> > >

> > > I see Steve i agree but like i have stated before im 17 still in

> school

> > > i wouldn't mind seeing Crisler money isnt a BIG issue for me

cause im

> > > going to be paying it all by cash since im not covered on insurance.

> > > But im going to try my luck with D.O if i am not satified with

D.O ill

> > > prolly visit Dr.Crisler after school has finished. Since 2008

has been

> > > the same year as 2007 and years before that hopefully I can start

> a new

> > > year this year. I prolly wouldve done something but i am extremely

> > > nervous i am jus scared to call down and screen the doc ask em

> > > questions like neil i believe said. But couple of my symptoms are

> > > Laziness, weak, no muscle tone, overweight, and am oversleeping.

> im 6'3

> > > 220 way taller then my mom and dad i seem to think i have

> klinefelter i

> > > believe i am taller then anyone on my mom and dad side but my mom

> think

> > > i get the height from her side. But y would both of us me and my

> > > brother have gyne makes no sense and very Bad case of it to.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I help on one of the hypothyroid groups and a TSH of 4 is definitely

hypo. Most people feel their best at a 1 or maybe even less.

Darla

>

> Thanks I see

>

> Also TSH isnt enough to see hypothyroidism right mine was 4.043 uiu.

>

[Guest guest]

Rick,

I've tried Steve's idea & got a few doctors who are more

informed/possible more open than the average MD. Search through

iacprx.org with your zip code to find some local compounding

pharmacies, then call/visit them & ask if they do compounded T, & ask

which doctors prescribe it through them.

~Xian

> > > Thanks a lot for your answers again. One last thing what kind of

D.O?

> > > Someone who specializes in Family Practice would be fine?

> >

> > I think either family practice or internal medicine. However, the

> > internal medicine ones are far and few between while the family

practice

> > ones are a lot more common.

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

> >

> > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Darla,

Nice to hear from you in yet another group. Girl, you get around.

I'll chime in and agree with Darla. I feel best with my TSH around 1

and my free T3 & T4

in the top 1/3 or 1/4 of their ranges.

>

> Hi,

>

> I help on one of the hypothyroid groups and a TSH of 4 is definitely

> hypo. Most people feel their best at a 1 or maybe even less.

>

> Darla

[Guest guest]

Haha! Yea, I get around, just don't tell my Mother. ;-) Just can't

help myself when I see a fellow thyroid sufferer.

Hope you feel better soon Mike.

Darla

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I help on one of the hypothyroid groups and a TSH of 4 is definitely

> > hypo. Most people feel their best at a 1 or maybe even less.

> >

> > Darla

>

[Guest guest]

Good news finally got an appointetment in MS =O!!!. Well i was looking

in all things male and it led me worldhealth.net looked at anti-aging

physicans. Finally had the courage called one up told assistance my

hormone level for TSH-4.043 and T-337 ng so she could tell dr.ph

White and she called back in 15 mins now i have a appointment 2:45 tomm

im VERY excited but jus hoped i could see physican earlier.

I think im going to take my report and a copy of the

file

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/8JBiSeKj7h7tkOYuZ9wx2V0fK7xk_bG3wXabjTwkOTe

d00g_VfasX_TkpzjW00XyHIEqUK9kfZx9_2bkc1ZAkRdk-TpJk2E/BloodTestLevels.pdf

would that be fine or would it be silly.

Even if he says i need to do TRT im prolly going to reply saying we

need to do more tests if so what important test should be done more?

Also some tests that show a link with gynecomastia?

only important tests ive done so forth is tsh and total t which i have

posted.

[Guest guest]

I also found his website ive never heard of him but they seem to do

Bioidentical hormone whats that?

his web is

http://www.drwhiteohi.com

does he look promsing?