Re: Paw Paw - Mesothelioma

[Guest guest]

Hi Louise,

I would sure love to get some information from her on the followings:

1. What type of mesothelioma she had (has?)? peritoneal? pleural?

2. If pleural, did she undergo Pleurodesis?

3. What stage was her meso?

4. Has she done anything else at all besides paw paw, so far as alternative is

concerned? if so what?

5. Anything conventional at all?

6. Any dietary changes she has done? if so what?

7. What type of paw paw has she been using (sunshine's nature?)

8. How many pills a day has she been using? any side effects?

9. How long has she been taking the paw paw? is she still taking it today, and

if so at what dose?

Thank you kindly Louise,

Gubi

[ ] Paw Paw - Mesothelioma

I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she was

given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The Dr.'s

still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active cancer

unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some more with

her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please let me

know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

I've also started to take Paw Paw.

Louise

Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

[Guest guest]

http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/paw-paw-extends-life-of-mesothel\

ioma-patient - this is the lady I am talking about.

Louise

Hi Louise,

I would sure love to get some information from her on the followings:

1. What type of mesothelioma she had (has?)? peritoneal? pleural?

2. If pleural, did she undergo Pleurodesis?

3. What stage was her meso?

4. Has she done anything else at all besides paw paw, so far as alternative is

concerned? if so what?

5. Anything conventional at all?

6. Any dietary changes she has done? if so what?

7. What type of paw paw has she been using (sunshine's nature?)

8. How many pills a day has she been using? any side effects?

9. How long has she been taking the paw paw? is she still taking it today, and

if so at what dose?

Thank you kindly Louise,

Gubi

From: miznoname44

I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she was

given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The Dr.'s

still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active cancer

unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some more with

her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please let me

know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

I've also started to take Paw Paw.

Louise

Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

[Guest guest]

The Paw Paw she would have taken is called Nature's Sunshine.   I know the

chinese medicine Dr. that treated her and that's what he sells.  When you take

Paw Paw, you take it with food.  You increase your dosage by 1 pill each day.

 IE:  1 pill with your meal, 3 times a day, day 2: 2 pills, 3x day, day 3: 3

pills, 3x day.  You keep increasing your dosage until you feel nauseaus.  Then

you back off 1 pill at each meal and keep taking them.  I told her I quit taking

Paw Paw and all my supplements for that matter as I got quite sick in the

evenings for 3 days in a row.  I was only taking 2 pills with each meal.  She

told me to only take 1 pill with my evening meal and 2 pills with breakfast and

2 pills with lunch and see how I do.

If you don't get nauseous, I wouldn't go past 3 or 4 pills (depending on your

size), 3 x a day without some sort of medical supervision.  The Chinese Dr. here

had a really big guy stop at about 6 pills 3x day (or something like that), and

he never did get nauseous.  He's doing well on this dosage.  He also has his

patients take Protease between meals as it apparently breaks down the " coating "

around cancer cells?  

I am back on my supplements and I've added excercise (jogging) and gardening to

my regime.  It has lifted my spirits tremendously as I was severely depressed

much of  the time.

This is all I know and I'll ask her more questions next week.

Louise

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in this Paw Paw treatment as I write and research

information concerning mesothelioma. I am currently promoting chemoembolisation

as a possible treatment, as several patients I am in contact with have received

it, and it tends to work better than conventional chemotherapy - and we are

lobbying for a clinical trial in The UK.

Any reputable links will be very much appreciated.

http://www.mesotheliomalungs.org.

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't Paw Paw actually PAPAYA? if so then that means that the PAPAIN enzyme

would be responsible for controlling her cancer. I have heard that PAPAIN is

powerful stuff. Bromelain might be effective too since they use it to tenderize

meat.

phine

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Paw Paw IS actually PAPAYA or at least a very close relative. Interesting

how some sites use the mysterious names like Paw Paw and Gaviola to identify it

instead of just telling us IT IS PAPAYA. They want us to think that it is a rare

plant when in fact IT IS NOT RARE. No wonder too that the GMO companies who

created GMO papayas are allowing GMO trees to contaminate non-GMO papaya trees.

What a wonderful way to keep people from using non-GMO papaya to cure their

illnesses.

phine

Hawaii

> >

> > I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

> >

> > I've also started to take Paw Paw.

> >

> > Louise

> > Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Louise,

What is your whole story.  How long have you been taking paw paw and how long

have you had cancer, etc.

Thanks,  Robyn 

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From: jlkinkona <josephine@...>

Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:16:55 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Paw Paw - Mesothelioma

 

Isn't Paw Paw actually PAPAYA? if so then that means that the PAPAIN enzyme

would be responsible for controlling her cancer. I have heard that PAPAIN is

powerful stuff. Bromelain might be effective too since they use it to tenderize

meat.

phine

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she was

given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The Dr.'s

still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active cancer

unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some more with

her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please let me

know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

Louise,

Just want to clarify, is the paw-paw you and your friend taking, carica papaya?

Carica papaya has been known as a stand alone cancer treatment in the Far East.

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know what type. It's made by nature's sunshine. You might find out by

googling it.

Someone aske me what I had and I accidently deleted their email. I wa dx with

Invasive Ductal Carcinoma, bilateral, ER/PR positive in Jan 08, mets to right

axilla in Mar 08, stage 4 in Sep 08 but the stage 4 was not reported to me until

the 2nd PET scan in Jan 08 as they don't report lung mets until it's 7mm, they

also reported bone mets on the same PET scan. I have no idea why.

I spent about $45,000 in wasted money chasing quack cures. Went to see

in Feb 08 and feel more stable and confident in my chosen treatments.

Louise

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[ ] Re: Paw Paw - Mesothelioma

Louise,

Just want to clarify, is the paw-paw you and your friend taking, carica papaya?

Carica papaya has been known as a stand alone cancer treatment in the Far East.

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

I should note, I never would have spent that $45,000 had I seen first.

My email also isn't clear when I said 'I have no idea why'. I meant I don't

know why they don't report lung mets until it's 7mm.

Louise

Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.

Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

[ ] Re: Paw Paw - Mesothelioma

Louise,

Just want to clarify, is the paw-paw you and your friend taking, carica papaya?

Carica papaya has been known as a stand alone cancer treatment in the Far East.

>

> I spoke with a lady last week who lives here in . She has had

Mesothelioma for 3 years. She's not had allopathic treatment. In Sep/09 she

was given 1 month to live. She started to take Paw Paw and got better. The

Dr.'s still see a mass in her lung but told her they can't know if it's active

cancer unless they biopsy it. I am going to meet her for coffee to talk some

more with her. If any of you have any questions you want me to ask her, please

let me know. She is quite open about her story and there's an onc here that has

referred at least 1 patient to her. That lady is also getting better. She does

not " treat " people, just tells her story. She's 66 years old.

>

> I've also started to take Paw Paw.

>

> Louise

> Stage 4 breast cancer, mets to bones & lung, but still feeling great!

>

[Guest guest]

>Isn't Paw Paw actually PAPAYA?

No. In some countries, papaya is (misleadingly) called " paw paw " , but real paw

paw is a completely different fruit, and it does NOT contain papain (only papaya

does).

Graviola's chemically similar to paw paw (but has no relation to papaya).

Papaya (fruit) is helpful for cancer patients, but paw paw (supplement)'s much

more powerfully cancer-healing. My notes:

paw paw's antiangiogenic, antiviral, promotes apoptosis (stops ATP production),

inhibits drug resistance (MDR); more effective in supplement form;

“use…briefly and intensely…can't be used for prevention†Mike Golden,

D.C., 9/17/08; don’t take long-term w/o medical supervision; “Paw Paw is

standardized, while Graviola is not…video in which a researcher…tested

Graviola and Paw Paw…both contain the same therapeutic alkaloid…in one batch

of Graviola, the active alkaloid was 24 times weaker than Paw Paw, and in

another batch, 56 times weakerâ€

“One mark in the favor of graviola is the large number of variations in

acetogenins. Paw paw has fewer different types†Mike Golden, D.C., 1/31/09

" By reducing this voltage level from 70 to 110 mv to something in the 50 mv

region, normal cells can still function. However, cancer and viral cells cannot

process energy at this low voltage level and start to starve. The process of

starving is a slow...process....When Paw Paw does not work, it is usually

because it is not absorbed sufficiently into the cells of the body to cause this

voltage reduction " 2/5/09

Interactions w/Other Supplements:

Some say to AVOID CoQ10 , SOD [chaparral contains a lot], antioxidants,

grapepine, lipoic acid, Cellular Energy, NAC, garlic, 7-KETO, TS-2, thyroid

activator & support, and megadoses of vit. C while using paw paw because they

may interfere w/its effectiveness, but another source says it’s ok to take

them; “According to the latest info…there are just a couple things that are

not compatable… www.pawpaw.tv/one_minute_007.asp“ (11/07)

" [Paw paw and graviola] do limit ATP production. Most of their effect is on

rapidly growing cells...might produce some fatigue at first...Only use these

products with food in the stomach. Initially there was a lot of concern

that...antioxidants might inhibit paw paw. This has proven untrue, for the most

part. Some reasonable supplementation with antioxidants is ok. You might still

want to avoid [CoQ10] and drug that stimulates the thyroid†Mike Golden,

D.C. 9/08

“paw paw acts on cancer via acetogenins, just like graviola, suffocating the

cancer cell by interfering with its oxidative mechanisms. As with graviola, it's

the leaves that are used…Acetogenins…in paw paw and graviola, interfere with

oxidative…mechanisms, involving NADH (niacin based) and [CoQ10]…. action of

acetogenins is on the oxidative mechanisms for energy production of the cell,

involving NAD/H [and CoQ10]…antioxidants and CoQ10…might be supplying it to

the cancer cell…negating the…acetogenins. [see] Alali et al., `Annonaceous

acetogenins: Recent progress’ in J. Nat. Prod., 1999, vol 62, pp 504-540….

www.freemedicaljournals.com…. take the acetogenins several hours apart from

the antioxidantsâ€

" [Dr.] Jerry McLoughlin [professor at Purdue Univ.], the originator of Paw Paw

extract for Nature's Sunshine...said that if the usual dose of 4 capsules of Paw

Paw a day does not bring desired results, a person can go higher without risking

any serious problems besides nausea and vomiting….herbalist [ Easley]

said he had taken some of his clients up as high as 20 capsules daily, the

reason being, of course, that some people who do not see tumor diminution at 4

capsules a day do see it at higher dosesâ€. “Tony Bell...has for a long time

been recommending that Protocel and Paw Paw be taken TOGETHER....Tony has told

me several times that people who have taken Protocel and Paw Paw together have

obtained very good results.â€

“products that may be used in increasing the pawpaw’s

effectiveness…Noni…Colosturms, and Protease….pawpaw should not be used

with…thyroid stimulators…or with CoQ10†Beattie (2004b, p. 113;

www.naturalcancertreatments.com)

For more info, www.pawpawresearch.com/visual.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/pawpawfruita.html (Schachter)

www.handpen.com/cancell/paw.htm

www.healthy-sunshine.com/paw-paw-cell-reg.asp (to order; Nature’s Sunshine)

Phyto-Cyto (contains Paw Paw, Pacific Yew, Madagascar periwinkle, Mistletoe,

Cancer Tree, Poke, May apple). I would use this only under the direction of a

doctor. One practitioner said to take “Two full syringe drops a dayâ€.

Leonard