TRT getting better but a couple side effects

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I'm feeling much better, but i'm getting the side effect of my testicles

shrinking. From what i read here i need to ask for hcg, how do most dr. deal

with this do they understand the technical side using hcg as a help with low T.

On a simple note, when using androgel have many of you broke out with acne like

you were 16 again? If so did it just pass like when you were younger?

thanks

PS IS there anything else i should be doing to help my condition?

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Do go to Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for

Success and his HCG update so you know how to take HCG. Here is a cut and paste

of what Dr. aka SWALE posted to me some time ago to help get my Dr. to let

me try HCG.

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I am confused?

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I have been on TRT for 21 yrs and I am Primary I read SWALE paper on adding HCG

to the mix. I asked my Dr. if it would help and he felt no. Because my Testis

don't work. SWALE is he right.

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#6 (permalink) 03-13-2005, 03:53 PM

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No. He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

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This link supports what Dr. says.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Show the cut and paste to your Dr. and the link. On gels you would do 250 IU's

every 3 days.

One of the guys posted this about acne.

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My short story...did 4 courses of accutane...

Currently eat 4 omega 3 eggs a day...pretty clear, go 1 week without...I'm a

mess

I've done this experiment 2x now..the results r the same, no eggs-zits,

eggs-clear

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Phil

> From: greytax06 <no_reply >

> Subject: TRT getting better but a couple side effects

>

> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 5:17 PM

> I'm feeling much better, but i'm

> getting the side effect of my testicles shrinking. From what

> i read here i need to ask for hcg,  how do most dr.

> deal with this do they understand the technical side using

> hcg as a help with low T.  On a simple note,  when

> using androgel have many of you broke out with acne like you

> were 16 again?  If so did it just pass like when you

> were younger?

>

> thanks

>

> PS  IS there anything else i should be doing to help

> my condition?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:17:21 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I'm feeling much better, but i'm getting the side effect of my testicles

shrinking. From what i read here i need to ask for hcg, how do most dr. deal

with this do they understand the technical side using hcg as a help with low T.

On a simple note, when using androgel have many of you broke out with acne like

you were 16 again? If so did it just pass like when you were younger?

Acne is common. Take vitamin B-5. It helps a lot.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help guys..

>

> >

> >I'm feeling much better, but i'm getting the side effect of my testicles

shrinking. From what i read here i need to ask for hcg, how do most dr. deal

with this do they understand the technical side using hcg as a help with low T.

On a simple note, when using androgel have many of you broke out with acne like

you were 16 again? If so did it just pass like when you were younger?

>

>

> Acne is common. Take vitamin B-5. It helps a lot.

>